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Title: Malt head?
Post by: klickitat jim on February 08, 2014, 08:23:26 AM
I think I'm getting burned out on hop bombs. Brought home a FW Union Jack and could drink it. Maybe it will pass, but at least for now I can't get enough toasty roasty cararely goodness. Seems like the less hops the better.

Anyone else alpha intolerant these days?
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Post by: ynotbrusum on February 08, 2014, 11:57:55 AM
With the exception of Denny's RIPA, which I brew 2-3 times a year, I haven't made an American IPA in quite a while.  I, too, get palate fatigue from the hop bombs.
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: klickitat jim on February 08, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
Awesome, glad I'm not alone. I'm not anti IPA, or thinking I'm cool and trendy, I guess I'm kind of surprised that I haven't found these spectacular flavors sooner. Looking over the recipes I've been brewing the past few months, with the exception of an ESB, they all use an ounce or less of hops. The biggest OG is 1.050 and my favorite is a simple little 70/-.

I have a half pound of each Simcoe, Centennial, Cascade, and Mosaic on standby though. Just in case ;-)
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Post by: dmtaylor on February 08, 2014, 01:03:44 PM
I love hops.... but I love malt and yeast character even more.  I love Belgians and German styles the most.  I love IPA, too, but... there's more to life!
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 08, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
I have been liking malty beers more the last year.

My taste goes in cycles. Back to brewing more British styles, Wee Heavy, and malty lagers than a couple of years ago.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on February 08, 2014, 02:33:55 PM
Same here. I love hops as much as anybody, but I hit overload after a while. I usually only brew 5 gallon batches of AIPA a couple times a year , and do smaller batches if I'm experimenting with new hops. But every time a hoppy batch is gone, I do something malty, roasty, or often Belgian. If I go out to a brew pub or beer bar I never have the same beer twice - always looking for a new experience. There are just too many good styles to be locked into one.
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Post by: dcb on February 08, 2014, 02:43:24 PM
Amen.   I'm getting tired of going into my local bottle shop and finding that 80% of the offerings are IPAs.  I'm getting tired of going into a newly opened brewery and finding more than half of the selection are various riffs on the hop-bomb.  I've started referring to them as AFIPA (Another F* IPA).

I do enjoy them, but come on-- it's a big world out there!  I love malt and yeast too!
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Post by: leejoreilly on February 08, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
I don't mind a nicely balanced IPA with enough malt backbone to lend structure to the hops - Bell's Two-Hearted comes to mind. But the "I can add even more IBUs" enamel-strippers get old very quickly. Especially in colder weather, give me a bunch of malt and yeast complexity and warmth over raw hoppiness. The top of my list are Belgian Tripels right now.
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: Jimmy K on February 08, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
Funny. I've been becoming more of hop head, but yesterday I had a taster of stone enjoy by and considered tossing it. I just want into it.

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Post by: chumley on February 08, 2014, 04:09:09 PM
New Belgium or Ommegang abbey ales are good choices.  And don't skimp on the onions.
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Post by: chezteth on February 08, 2014, 04:26:19 PM
I usually love American IPA. But, last year I got burned out after judging several AIPA. Ever since then I have enjoyed the malty styles much more. Although I am getting the itch to brew a IIPA.
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Post by: euge on February 08, 2014, 04:34:27 PM
Currently (the last several years), I have only been doing 45 minute high-alpha bittering charge for about 90% of my beers. Chasing the hop-bomb is expensive and messy. :-\

Also, since I am an allergy sufferer the subtle delicacies of hop-aroma are wasted upon me.
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Post by: Upstate Dan on February 08, 2014, 04:36:03 PM
I'm a malt man at heart, but I go back and forth. I try to never buy or brew the same beer back-to-back. Keeps things fun and interesting. Less burnout on specific styles.
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Post by: Upstate Dan on February 08, 2014, 04:38:12 PM
+1 on the allergies. Makes evaluation tough.

Luckily my wife has a great sense of taste/smell, so she's my guinea pig.
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Post by: Jeff M on February 08, 2014, 04:45:34 PM
I tend to drink beers seasonally.  Ipas are best enjoyed int he warmer months, stouts and malt forward rich beers int he cold months.  Thats just me of course:D
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Post by: denny on February 08, 2014, 05:08:20 PM
I think I'm getting burned out on hop bombs. Brought home a FW Union Jack and could drink it. Maybe it will pass, but at least for now I can't get enough toasty roasty cararely goodness. Seems like the less hops the better.

Anyone else alpha intolerant these days?

Around here there's an AIPA or hoppy APA on tap at all times.  There's also a malty winter beer and Belgian of some sort.  Variety is the spice of life.
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Post by: reverseapachemaster on February 08, 2014, 05:11:13 PM
In 4.5 years of brewing I have made exactly one IPA and it was a black IPA that could easily have based as a porter.

I like an IPA every once in a while but I'd rather have a pale ale with lots of hop flavor and a lot less bitterness. 
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Post by: majorvices on February 08, 2014, 05:31:07 PM
You pick now when all the breweries are releasing their freshest IIPA of the year with 2013 hop crop to get sick and tired of IPAs?  ::)
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 08, 2014, 05:37:18 PM
You pick now when all the breweries are releasing their freshest IIPA of the year with 2013 hop crop to get sick and tired of IPAs?  ::)

Never tired of it for long !  All about hop freshness for me.
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Post by: Alewyfe on February 08, 2014, 05:58:21 PM
Beautiful balance makes a beer eminently enjoyable. My favorite place to drink has about 11-12 rotating taps. 10-11 of them range from 3.2% to under 6%. Mountains of malty flavor and plenty of hop aroma and flavor and very, very balanced beers. There's usually one bigger one with massive IBU's for the "Xtreme tasters" out there, but the bulk of their offerings are brewed for those who want to savor the flavor and appreciate all that a well crafted beer has to offer. Good Food is also important in this establishment, and the hops bombs don't play well with many foods.

Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: Pinski on February 08, 2014, 06:08:34 PM
Variety is the spice of life and variability is one of the greatest things about brewing that make it the best hobby in the history of the universe.
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Post by: ultravista on February 08, 2014, 08:06:15 PM
How about a few examples of malt forward non-hopped to death beers.
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 08, 2014, 08:21:21 PM
How about a few examples of malt forward non-hopped to death beers.

This is one example. Notice the low hop rate.
https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=8071.0
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: majorvices on February 08, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
95% of the beers I brew are non hop forward beers. But I sure do love the hop forward ones! Love all of 'em!
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: klickitat jim on February 09, 2014, 12:08:50 AM
3£ Pils
3£ Mmmmunich
3£ Vienna
3 oz Carafa II special
Mash 154
90 min boil
1/2 oz Magnum at 60
German yeast of your choosing
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: majorvices on February 09, 2014, 12:36:12 AM
3£ Pils
3£ Mmmmunich
3£ Vienna
3 oz Carafa II special
Mash 154
90 min boil
1/2 oz Magnum at 60
German yeast of your choosing


I'd drink that!
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Post by: klickitat jim on February 09, 2014, 12:58:08 AM
I think a lot of people have ;-)

By the way, I've found that WY2112 at 55° does an awesome job at this too. It gives just enough lager character to qualify. I'm convinced that most folks wouldn't know.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on February 09, 2014, 01:02:35 AM
I'd drink it too.  Sounds good, man !
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 09, 2014, 01:31:10 AM
3£ Pils
3£ Mmmmunich
3£ Vienna
3 oz Carafa II special
Mash 154
90 min boil
1/2 oz Magnum at 60
German yeast of your choosing

Looks like a nice Maerzen.
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: klickitat jim on February 09, 2014, 01:41:23 AM
I call it Vienna (but tomato tomauto) My Marzen is the same but add a lb of pils, a lb of Vienna and a lb of C80. (Shhh don't tell anyone)
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Post by: dannyjed on February 09, 2014, 01:52:44 AM
I've made a lot of malty beers lately becauses this is the time of year that I make lagers and my basement has been perfect this year. I do see a hoppy beer in the near future after making 3 lagers and 2 Belgians. My beer ADD prevents me from focusing on one style for too long ???
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 09, 2014, 01:59:39 AM

 My beer ADD prevents me from focusing on one style for too long ???


+1.  Same here !
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Post by: el_capitan on February 09, 2014, 03:19:55 AM
I just kegged a 70 Shilling ale.  My first experience with WY1728.  The hydro sample was brilliantly clear and tasted awesome.  The wort caramelization came through well, along with a great smoky yeast character.  I can't wait for this one to carb up!
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: klickitat jim on February 09, 2014, 03:30:14 AM
Shillings are the bomb!
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Post by: majorvices on February 09, 2014, 01:27:10 PM
I just kegged a 70 Shilling ale.  My first experience with WY1728.  The hydro sample was brilliantly clear and tasted awesome.  The wort caramelization came through well, along with a great smoky yeast character.  I can't wait for this one to carb up!

I made my second 60/- several weeks ago and for a 3.2% abv beer I found it simply amazing. That's another recipe that, contrary to style, Dark Munich II found its way in the recipe and for the better.

One of my favorite styles that I don't see enough commercial versions of is Bockbier. Why do we 'mericans neglect this style?
Title: Re: Malt head?
Post by: klickitat jim on February 09, 2014, 01:35:06 PM
I suppose there are exceptions to the rule, but it seems that shelf space is 75% of one style subcategory. The rest is dedicated to some version of IPA, and maybe a stout or a green bottle. One could say there are pale ales, ESB, etc... but anymore they are all creeping up in abv and IBU. The pendulum swing of meeting customer demand I suppose.
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Post by: yso191 on February 09, 2014, 01:53:18 PM
Not me.  I still can't get enough AA and/or wonderful hop oils.  I just had some Lucille by Georgetown - wow good.

I try to always have a big IPA (big hoppy not ABV) on tap and a lighter beer (currently a Scottish 60/).
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Post by: euge on February 09, 2014, 02:19:55 PM
I'm about to keg a traditional Bock brewed the day after New Years. At a OG of 1.069 and 19 bu's it'll be pretty malt forward.
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Post by: erockrph on February 09, 2014, 07:13:14 PM
I have over 20 pounds of hops in the freezer, yet 8 of my last 10 beers I brewed have been malt-forward beers (and 1 of the remaining 2 was a lambic). I love hops, but there are a million commercial APA/IPA/IIPA's out there. The last 6 months or so I've had a few English/Scottish Ales and German Lagers that I've really liked, but I haven't been able to get my fill on the commercial stuff. Plus, I've brewed so many hoppy beers in the past 2 years that I feel the need to branch out.

I'm already starting to get a few ideas for new hoppy beers, so I'm sure I'll be back on the IPA train after I get the malty stuff out of my system.
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Post by: Pinski on February 09, 2014, 07:41:20 PM
Last night we kicked a keg of Bo-Pils and replaced it with our Helles. Wow, is there some wonderful grain goodness going on there. 
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Post by: Jimmy K on February 09, 2014, 08:18:07 PM
How about a few examples of malt forward non-hopped to death beers.
Anything German or influenced by Germany will work, among others.
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Post by: Pinski on February 09, 2014, 08:24:10 PM
'Tis the season for Maibock brewing.
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Post by: ynotbrusum on February 10, 2014, 12:49:50 PM
I have a keg of Horst Dornbusch's Edel Hell on tap right now.  Simply sublime! A
light, but richly malt forward style that is only 3.9% ABV.  I also have a 3 gallon  keg of bock - and I agree that it is a style many homebrewers seem to avoid for some reason.  Lagering on dry hops is a CP recipe - Claude of Neptune 2 - a dark lager that is not overly hopped, but assertive.  Can't wait to carb and drink that one.
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Post by: dbarber on February 10, 2014, 02:26:52 PM
I always have something malty on tap as well as a belgian, but after a while I crave American hops and have to make an ipa or apa.
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Post by: beersk on February 10, 2014, 02:57:21 PM
I love hoppy beers, but I brew one about every 5 or 6 batches nowadays. Used to brew an IPA probably every other batch. Brewing a lot more lagers and British styles now. I love a balanced beer in the 4-6% range. I like to be able to enjoy 3 or 4 or 5 if I want and not get palate fatigued or hammered.
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Post by: euge on February 10, 2014, 02:59:34 PM
Yesterday I went out for a couple brews at a brewpub- Freetail Brewing... Anyway I had a English style Pale ale @30 and and a Simcoe IPA @65bu's.

Whew I could hardly drink the IPA! It was so cloyingly bitter. It was a good IPA but I was tasting that one way after finishing it. Enjoyment factor scaled way down. Guess I'm becoming a fuddy-duddy. ???
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Post by: HoosierBrew on February 10, 2014, 03:46:53 PM


Whew I could hardly drink the IPA! It was so cloyingly bitter.

I feel the same way on some IPAs. I've been preferring the more hop bursted ones for awhile. More like APA bitterness up front, with tons of hop flavor and aroma at the end. A lot more drinkable IMO.
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Post by: morticaixavier on February 10, 2014, 03:58:04 PM
It's funny, I am mostly a malt head, well, that and yeast. I brew more belgians and big malty Barley wines than almost anything with a fair amount of the other stuff being british style session beers, porters, kolsch type malt focused beers but two of the last three brews for me have been IPA. I think they might have only been the 2nd and third IPAs I've brewed in 7 + years too.

I do agree that overly bitter IPA doesn't work for me but I love lot's of late hop goodness.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on February 10, 2014, 05:41:00 PM
It's funny, I am mostly a malt head, well, that and yeast. I brew more belgians and big malty Barley wines than almost anything with a fair amount of the other stuff being british style session beers, porters, kolsch type malt focused beers but two of the last three brews for me have been IPA. I think they might have only been the 2nd and third IPAs I've brewed in 7 + years too.

I do agree that overly bitter IPA doesn't work for me but I love lot's of late hop goodness.

Other than the sour stuff you're brewing, I'm with you all the way.

My last British session beer came in low on the OG, though, so it tastes pretty hoppy.  But not bad at all.