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Title: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: denny on February 13, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
Great article about a subject that isn't discussed often enough.

http://beergraphs.com/bb/344-high-functioning-craft-beer-and-alcohol/
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: corkybstewart on February 13, 2014, 05:16:58 PM
I thinks it's a pretty good article from an insiders point of view.  I know that I used to be headed down the path to serious alcoholism, a long standing family tradition.  But I quit brewing strong beers, now I only open those 750's of barrel aged imperial stouts when there's someone to split it with.  I use my rule of 16's: 2 beers at 8%, 3 at 5.5 or a 10% and a 6%(see the pattern?).  This lets me enjoy whatever beers I want but at a reasonable level.  Since this is my rule and not court imposed, I can ignore it for special occasions, but for the most part it works just fine.
I have a severely alcoholic brother, he's lived with family members for the past 2 years because he is drunk by breakfast and can't hold a job, wife, apartment, etc.  He had a wreck back in December that killed our mother, but he's such a professional drunk he was not even tested for sobriety at the crash scene.  That allows him to be guiltless, but we all know the truth, there's no way a sober person could have possibly had that wreck.  Anyway, that has also caused me to cut my drinking even more, which sucks because I love brewing so much and the bee is starting to pile up.  I do 95% of my drinking at home so drunk driving hasn't been an issue for me for many years, but still I think of my brother and the joy of beer fades.  BTW he drinks Busch Classic 16 oz. cans, hidden like Easter eggs in my Dad's lower yard.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Stevie on February 13, 2014, 05:25:43 PM
Nice read Denny. I too have been in a progression from big to session. Still live an 11% barleywine now and then, but when having a beer with dinner, I prefer sub 5%.

I loved the line regarding bar owners. They are as special as the left handed and uncircumcised. Hilarious.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: udubdawg on February 13, 2014, 06:53:09 PM
ISO FW Pivo Pils!

Interesting.  As a prolific homebrewer I don't encounter this problem very often, as I can brew what I like, which is pilsner, kolsch, ordinary bitter, BPA, etc.  But it is annoying on those rare times I go out to a craft beer bar.  "Hey that sounds interesting...ah, crap, 12%...no thanks"

after doing this a few hundred times I realize I like brewing a lot more than I like alcohol.  *shrug*
good article, and I'm glad he brought it up.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: dkfick on February 13, 2014, 07:05:15 PM
A good read.  I do brew a lot of high gravity beers and enjoy high gravity beers.  You just have to know you can't have a bunch of them.  I do love a lot of lower gravity beers as well though. Know thy limits is the name of the game.  I drink beer because I like the taste.  I actually don't even want a buzz typically.  If alcohol didn't contribute so much to the flavor I would be all for NA beers.  The best NA beer I've had to date has been Einbecker Brauherren Alkoholfrei... and it was only so so I thought.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: ynotbrusum on February 13, 2014, 07:06:56 PM
Definitely gives one pause - I, too, have been sessionizing my brews.  Amazing how a light pilsner like Munich Helles can taste great in moderation even at 3.9% ABV.  But some of the big boys are nice to settle in with on a cold winter night - just enjoy the sipping and don't let yourself slip into the mindset that "it's only beer" and have too many!  I also went to 10 oz nonic glasses at my house - the beer lasts longer and the guests don't seem to mind.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: goschman on February 13, 2014, 07:10:37 PM
I am definitely moving toward session beer the older I get and the more I brew.

When I was young I would drink a lot of Coors light, not because I thought it tasted good but because I wanted to get drunk. Now I want the oppossite. Now that craft beer has become a hobby and lifestyle for me to a certain degree, I find myself drinking just as much but spread over a period of time instead of binge drinking. I may have a couple a night instead of 18 on a Friday night/Saturday morning. It has been a strange balance for me lately. I want to brew as much as possible but don't want to my consumption rates to go up to match my production.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 13, 2014, 07:10:57 PM




after doing this a few hundred times I realize I like brewing a lot more than I like alcohol.  *shrug*
good article, and I'm glad he brought it up.


+1.  I drink a small % of what I brew. Not that I don't have few on occasion, but I give the majority to friends and neighbors to free up space to brew something else because I love doing it. Age definitely taught me my limits !  Really good article.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: blatz on February 13, 2014, 07:16:38 PM
very good article.  thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: blatz on February 13, 2014, 07:19:31 PM
I also went to 10 oz nonic glasses at my house - the beer lasts longer and the guests don't seem to mind.

I've had a set of 6 of those for years and are my primary go to glasses.  however, recently, I've switched back to 16-20oz glasses since with the 9oz ones I have, I found myself refilling them quite often and without even realizing it, drank more than I'd intended to. 
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: udubdawg on February 13, 2014, 07:31:56 PM
I've always found it strange that so many seem to be passionate about Craft Beer yet unwilling to set aside the ridiculous concept of "Alcohol Abuse."  Looks of scorn or shock when I mention how little of my stuff I actually drink

...this is *my* homebrew.  I give away what I can but that's not always possible.  I taste it, tweak it, blend it, learn from it, and even sometimes when it is great I dump it to move on to something else.  Deal with it!   ;)

Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Herminator on February 13, 2014, 07:38:48 PM
Great article and topic.  Thanks for sharing Denny.  I really need to start brewing some session brews. 
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: denny on February 13, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
To me, it's not just about brewing lower alcohol beers.  Being pre diabetic, I'm extremely concerned about carbs.  so if I brew lower alcohol beers, I may tend to drink more of them than I should.  The me, the issue is self control.  Can you walk away from a beer?  Do you feel you need to have a beer every day?  Do you take days off from drinking during the week?
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 13, 2014, 07:53:53 PM
Most of the beers I drink on a daily basis are under 6%. I certainly like high gravity beers, but I just don't feel like drinking them very regularly.

I also try to ease back on the drinking during the week, though it has gotten harder to do this since I "work in the industry". After a 12+ hour work day the very first thing you want it a beer, every time. Especially during summer. But I do manage to go a work week "here and there" with very little or no consumption.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: blatz on February 13, 2014, 08:01:40 PM
good point on the more of less.

Can you walk away from a beer?  Do you feel you need to have a beer every day?  Do you take days off from drinking during the week?

I never pour a beer I don't intend to drink, so i may not follow there.  But I'm also not afraid to dump something that I don't enjoy though either, which is usually more the case of some weirdo Cigar City Cucumber Mango yada yada treated style.

rare that I ever feel I *need* a beer, but I do admit for me beer is a habit/routine.  Like many folks here, I am a big foodie, love to cook, and having pints while I cook is sort of harmonious in a way.  funny thing is i often switch to water by the time i actually eat.

I do usually take days off several days a week - nothing set in stone, but mostly i only drink beers on the weekends nowadays, with an occasional Wednesday here or there if I feel like it or a friend stops over.  Travelling for work and dinners out for work often change that however - the former if I go to a place with beers I can't get here or the latter because of social custom.

Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Herminator on February 13, 2014, 08:09:26 PM
The me, the issue is self control.  Can you walk away from a beer?  Do you feel you need to have a beer every day?  Do you take days off from drinking during the week?

Good points.  I think about those questions often.  I often times will not drink during the weekdays and then have a few on the weekend.  I think maintaining a sense of self control is important.  I also think of asking yourself "why am I drinking a beer?" is important.  I think for me, session beers may have a benefit in that when I do decide to have a beer on Saturday night, I might have some options under 6-7% which is not the case with my current pipeline.  Again, great article. 
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: denny on February 13, 2014, 08:24:44 PM
good point on the more of less.

Can you walk away from a beer?  Do you feel you need to have a beer every day?  Do you take days off from drinking during the week?

I never pour a beer I don't intend to drink, so i may not follow there.  But I'm also not afraid to dump something that I don't enjoy though either, which is usually more the case of some weirdo Cigar City Cucumber Mango yada yada treated style.

rare that I ever feel I *need* a beer, but I do admit for me beer is a habit/routine.  Like many folks here, I am a big foodie, love to cook, and having pints while I cook is sort of harmonious in a way.  funny thing is i often switch to water by the time i actually eat.

I do usually take days off several days a week - nothing set in stone, but mostly i only drink beers on the weekends nowadays, with an occasional Wednesday here or there if I feel like it or a friend stops over.  Travelling for work and dinners out for work often change that however - the former if I go to a place with beers I can't get here or the latter because of social custom.

Paul, what I meant was "decide to not drink a beer".  Sounds like you do that.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Pinski on February 13, 2014, 08:38:58 PM
Everything in moderation.  Sounds simplistic but it works for me.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: beersk on February 13, 2014, 08:45:23 PM
To me, it's not just about brewing lower alcohol beers.  Being pre diabetic, I'm extremely concerned about carbs.  so if I brew lower alcohol beers, I may tend to drink more of them than I should.  The me, the issue is self control.  Can you walk away from a beer?  Do you feel you need to have a beer every day?  Do you take days off from drinking during the week?
It really is about self control. But I think the more important issue is drinking responsibly. Know when not to drink that 3rd or 4th beer. I do almost all of my drinking at home, so I don't make any rules about it and I rarely go a day with out a beer or 2. I don't think beer every day has to be a bad thing. What about coffee? What about food? Are you eating lots of sugar? Fried food? Bread?

Just because someone says you shouldn't, doesn't mean you shouldn't. There's lots of stuff that's bad for us, and everything will kill us. I think as long as you're not getting f*cked up on a regular basis, exercising, and not overeating every meal, you're probably okay to have 2 or 3 beers a day.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: morticaixavier on February 13, 2014, 08:55:56 PM
There is an attitude in America in particular that if you drink everyday you are flirting with alcoholism. I've been involved with enough alcoholics to know that you can be an alcoholic and not drink every day and you can absolutely drink every day and not be an alcoholic. Heck, I've known alcoholics that don't drink at all and I STILL wouldn't trust them further than I could throw them for all the same reasons I won't trust a drinking alcoholic.

setting "I take a day (or couple days, or weekdays) off" as the metric of whether you have a drinking problem can be a problem in and of itself. If you then have a bunch on weekend days you may well be doing more damage to your body than had you had the same amount of beer spread over the whole week.

You may also be allowing yourself to ignore a potentially serious, life altering, problem with alcohol go untreated because "Hey, I take a couple days off every week!"

If you only drink on the weekends but it is destroying your liver and making your spouse want to run far far away you have a drinking problem.

If you drink a beer with dinner every night without fail, unless there just simply isn't one available. but your family and loved ones can count on you, you are not destroying any part of your body faster than it is capable of renewing itself, and your life is not negatively affected by your nightly beer than it's hard for me to point at you and say "That is someone with a drinking problem".

The message I took away from the article was that, particularly if you are "in the industry" and/or you are a "connoisseur" you should be extra aware of how your drinking habits are affecting your life.


Given the increasingly well documented health benefits of moderate regular alcohol consumption it becomes even grayer. Am I drinking every day because it's good for my heart? Should I worry I have a drinking problem?  or am I just relaxing after a hard 12 hour day with a mild natural muscle relaxant that i made myself? (RDWHAHB).

I appreciate his message as I see it and I can only imagine how hard it is when you are "in the industry" to monitor your behavior around alcohol and still meet all the real and perceived social demands that so often revolve around alcohol in that sector of society. Much like working in the bar/restaurant industry or even the entertainment industry.

Of course, if you are trying to reduce your total caloric intake, or your carb intake the beer is almost certainly the second best thing to remove from your diet, right after processed sugars (Candy, Cake, Soda, and Juice type stuff)

This is all my opinion and is not informed by any sort of medical or psychological training and should be taken with appropriate weight.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 13, 2014, 09:08:17 PM
I have a severely alcoholic brother, he's lived with family members for the past 2 years because he is drunk by breakfast and can't hold a job, wife, apartment, etc.  He had a wreck back in December that killed our mother, but he's such a professional drunk he was not even tested for sobriety at the crash scene.  That allows him to be guiltless, but we all know the truth, there's no way a sober person could have possibly had that wreck.  Anyway, that has also caused me to cut my drinking even more, which sucks because I love brewing so much and the bee is starting to pile up.  I do 95% of my drinking at home so drunk driving hasn't been an issue for me for many years, but still I think of my brother and the joy of beer fades.  BTW he drinks Busch Classic 16 oz. cans, hidden like Easter eggs in my Dad's lower yard.

This is one of the more disturbing things I've read recently.  I am truly sorry for your loss.  It sounds like it would be devastating.  Hopefully, your family can find a way to heal but that sounds like a long and tortured road from how you describe your brother.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: beersk on February 13, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Great response, Jonathan. It's a bit of an alarmist article just as the attitude towards alcohol in the US. I can't stand it, actually. People put beer and alcohol on a pedestal. People drink enough coffee that it's damaging to kidneys and blood pressure. People eat enough food so as to gain weight and get the diabeeets.
Take care of your body and you can have beers every day. Knowing when to stop is a good starting point.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: morticaixavier on February 13, 2014, 09:17:59 PM
I have a severely alcoholic brother, he's lived with family members for the past 2 years because he is drunk by breakfast and can't hold a job, wife, apartment, etc.  He had a wreck back in December that killed our mother, but he's such a professional drunk he was not even tested for sobriety at the crash scene.  That allows him to be guiltless, but we all know the truth, there's no way a sober person could have possibly had that wreck.  Anyway, that has also caused me to cut my drinking even more, which sucks because I love brewing so much and the bee is starting to pile up.  I do 95% of my drinking at home so drunk driving hasn't been an issue for me for many years, but still I think of my brother and the joy of beer fades.  BTW he drinks Busch Classic 16 oz. cans, hidden like Easter eggs in my Dad's lower yard.

Corky, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I can only imagine how hard that would be to deal with. I can't think of anything else to say to that except that I feel for you.

Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: morticaixavier on February 13, 2014, 09:25:02 PM
Great response, Jonathan. It's a bit of an alarmist article just as the attitude towards alcohol in the US. I can't stand it, actually. People put beer and alcohol on a pedestal. People drink enough coffee that it's damaging to kidneys and blood pressure. People eat enough food so as to gain weight and get the diabeeets.
Take care of your body and you can have beers every day. Knowing when to stop is a good starting point.

I think the article, if taken in the right way, is really helpful in that it reminds us to be mindful about how mindless we get. Why are you drinking? because you're thirsty? Really enjoy the taste? Really enjoy the buzz? trying to turn off your brain? because it makes you feel sexier/ more confient? Just because everyone else is?

None of these reasons in and of themselves are 'bad' or 'good' but to be aware of your own reasoning is the first step to being mindful about your drinking.

By the way, I've recently cut back on my coffee intake significantly because I realized I was drinking a second big cup every day even though I wasn't tired and it wasn't even particularly good coffee. I was drinking it because, well that's what I had 'always done'. I hope my kidneys thank me!
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: beersk on February 13, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Good points, Jonathan. I recently stopped drinking coffee during the week. I guess I'm a caffeholic since I'm only drinking it on weekends, huh? But seriously, I stopped drinking it because it simply hasn't been tasting that good to me lately and it's upsetting my stomach occasionally. Besides, I never need it. I bike to work everyday and that wakes me up plenty fine. To drink coffee in the morning just to feel normal...that's not good either. That's almost as bad as having a couple beers or shots just to feel normal. But, sometimes, a beer is just daaaamn good and relaxes you so nicely. I KNOW I'm not the only one on here that feels that way.
Yes, having a couple beers at night is something of a habit for me or routine. I really like having a beer while I cook. I have been trying to not have the 3rd pint though. Once it gets to be 9 or 10pm and I've had a couple already. Sometimes I really really want that 3rd beer, but usually talk myself out of it. Back when I first started brewing, it was all bets off most nights.
I think we all go through phases and that's cool. Keeping it in check is a good thing, you appreciate it more. But I also don't feel 2 or 3 a day is bad.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 13, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
By the way, I've recently cut back on my coffee intake significantly because I realized I was drinking a second big cup every day even though I wasn't tired and it wasn't even particularly good coffee. I was drinking it because, well that's what I had 'always done'. I hope my kidneys thank me!

Two cups.  Every morning.  If I have three, I freak out.  Three cups on Saturday is tempting, but it always ends badly.

I gave up soda years ago after I realized the afternoon can of Coke was causing me to freak out and get jittery.  I think it was more the sugar, though, than the caffeine.  I can drink coffee at night and go to sleep.  I could never do that with soda.

Bringing it back to topic, I have given up alcohol for Lent every so often.  I am always amazed at the weight loss.  Empty calories, indeed.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: udubdawg on February 13, 2014, 09:54:12 PM
Good points, Jonathan. I recently stopped drinking coffee during the week. I guess I'm a caffeholic since I'm

"Hi, I'm Michael, and caffeineholic.  It's been 6 hours since my last Diet Dr Pepper."

wow, feels good to share.  8)
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 13, 2014, 09:54:33 PM
The article makes a good point about festivals: I loved festivals at first. Now I dread them (or at least some of them). It's amazing how drunk people can get off 2 oz pours. Not sure festivals really do anything for any beer brands except make the people who organize it some money and make a bunch of dangerous drivers get behind the wheel of a car.

OTOH I don't understand the stigma against "needing a beer". There are times when I "need a beer" like after a long hot days work, other times when I "need a whiskey" like having to spend the afternoon with my mother in law. I need a glass a milk with my peanut butter and jelly sandwich and I need a cup of coffee in the mornings. I don't think there is anything wrong with "needing a beer". I have a meeting with my partners tonight and I'll probably "need a beer" afterwards (or during!). ;)
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Pinski on February 13, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
I don't think it's a problem to injest anything based on how it makes you feel. If we can define normal perhaps I'll re-evaluate. It's a problem when people are not able or willing to moderate a behavior.  Doesn't matter if it's alcohol or caffeine or tabacco or television.  Some things bring with them greater risks and consequences to ourselves and others. If you don't have the self awareness and control to realize that your behavior is harming yourself or negatively affecting those around you, you are a problem.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: euge on February 13, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Our cultural mores haven't supported daily drinking since the early 20th Century and the Teetotaler movement. I say if you hang out in a tattoo parlor you are going to get a haircut. SO getting into alcohol sales and then moaning about the deleterious effects makes one sound a little self-righteous and unconvincing.

That being said I have a difficult time tolerating drunken behavior, especially among my friends.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: ynotbrusum on February 13, 2014, 10:58:45 PM
Agreed - self control is the key.  How many weekends without a beer?  Not very many.  How many weekdays (M-Th) without a beer, quite a few.  How many beers at a sitting - depends on a lot of factors, but probably more often than not, more than I should, I must admit.  I live in a neighborhood of brewers that like to share and enjoy.  I am happy, but will be more mindful, even at festivals going forward.


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Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: ccfoo242 on February 13, 2014, 11:11:58 PM
Frontal lobotomies were used for a variety of ailments including alcoholism.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.


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Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Herminator on February 13, 2014, 11:33:26 PM
I have to say that I really appreciate this conversation/thread.  It is interesting to read everyone's opinion, experiences and examples.  It seems like there is a lot of us that agree in regards to being cognizant about the amount while recognizing that the amount you have is a personal decision based on a variety of factors.  Thanks again Denny for starting the conversation. 

Cheers!
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 13, 2014, 11:41:31 PM
Agreed - self control is the key.  How many weekends without a beer?  Not very many.  How many weekdays (M-Th) without a beer, quite a few.  How many beers at a sitting - depends on a lot of factors, but probably more often than not, more than I should, I must admit.  I live in a neighborhood of brewers that like to share and enjoy.  I am happy, but will be more mindful, even at festivals going forward.


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That's pretty much my approach. I don't drink much through the work week, though I did in my younger years. But on Friday evening if I'm home there's a fair chance I'll toss back a few. Maybe a few on Saturday, maybe not. Definitely the older you get the longer it takes to recover. But life will kill you, and I damn sure plan to enjoy the fruits of my labor in (for the most part) moderation. +1 on the festivals - most of them are glorified frat parties that happen to serve craft beer, as opposed to a true craft beer sampling.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: klickitat jim on February 13, 2014, 11:57:40 PM
I remember an NGO flier that was popular in the 80s. It was taken as fact at the time. It was handed out when I was in the Marines.

It said "If you answer yes to any of these, you are an alcoholic". The first question was "Do you deny that you are an alcoholic?"
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: erockrph on February 14, 2014, 01:01:42 AM
My mother nearly drank herself to death about 10 years ago. I watched her descent starting in my early teens. Even though her brush with death was finally able to bring her to sobriety, my relationship with her has never recovered. I've had a similar relationship with food on and off over the years, so I don't doubt that I've inherited some of those addictive tendencies from her.

I pour one beer a day most days, after everything is done and I start winding down for the day. Half a beer for something big like a quad or barleywine. Usually I finish it, but if I don't its no big deal. I might have 3 or 4 once every month or two when I'm hanging out with my buddies, but for the most part I like the taste of beer way more than the alcohol. I generally brew beer in the 4-5% range specifically because I don't want to get buzzed when I have a beer.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: etbrew on February 14, 2014, 01:04:03 AM
I remember an NGO flier that was popular in the 80s. It was taken as fact at the time. It was handed out when I was in the Marines.

It said "If you answer yes to any of these, you are an alcoholic". The first question was "Do you deny that you are an alcoholic?"

So in order to be an alcoholic you have to deny your an alcoholic but you aren't an alcoholic if you deny you're an alcoholic...it's gona all Catch-22  :o

In seriousness though I do really love the flavor of high alcohol beers and I can't understand why commercial examples of the highest alcohol beers are bottled in the bigest bottles.  I have been keeping tasting notes on beers for years and have tasted many hundreds of beers.  Up until last year I would open a 24oz or 750ml bottle 11% moster beer and drink it all myself.  I've really stopped enjoying doing that because I'm sick of getting snookered from one of those bottles.   Now if I open one of those bottles it is with freinds or early on a weekend.

I, like many have said in this thread have been drinking and brewing more session beers.  My last two beers were pale ales at 5.5% and 4.5%.  I love the complexity of high alcohol beers but have also come to really appreciate craft it takes to make a great low alcohol beer.  I also like to be able to have two beers without catching a buzz. 

I love beer and I drink at least a beer every day.  I also love food and I cook and eat every day.  Like folks have already said it's about self control and moderation.  Too many beers a night leave me tired and mentally sluggish as does consuming a massive amount of food at dinner.  So to paraphrase Michael Pollan, eat food, mostly plants, not too much and drink some beer ;D 

Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: kramerog on February 14, 2014, 01:38:33 AM
I've been thinking about this topic a lot because it is one of the recent topics in Chemistry of Beer, a free online course at OU.  One of the interesting things I learned is that binge drinking, which is defined as getting drunk, is more harmful in some ways to the drinker's brain than chronic alcoholism because the binge drinker does not develop tolerance mechanisms and because of rebound effects.  Anyway my current strategy is to drink daily if I'm in the mood for a beer but to drink moderately.

As others have said, moderation is key.  It would help if more pubs have a variety of serving sizes so I can taste more beers and drink less.  I was at a winery in Napa that refused to make small pours.  That does not help although I should have not finished the samples.

One thing I'm doing right now with high alcohol beers at home is to mix them with a low alcohol beer to get  12-16 oz of a beer that has the taste of a high alcohol beer without all the alcohol.  I've been enjoying an Old Ale blended with a 70 shilling that tastes like an Old Ale.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 14, 2014, 02:37:35 AM
Frontal lobotomies were used for a variety of ailments including alcoholism.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.


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Isn't that an old country song?
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: morticaixavier on February 14, 2014, 03:58:09 AM
[...]  So to paraphrase Michael Pollan, eat food, mostly plants, not too much and drink some beer ;D

That guy is really wise. I learned a lot about how to think about enjoyment and differentiate between that and excess from reading his books.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: klickitat jim on February 14, 2014, 04:39:15 AM
I thought he was famous for "I cut down trees, I skip and jump, I love to press wild flowers"
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: morticaixavier on February 14, 2014, 04:43:39 AM
I thought he was famous for "I cut down trees, I skip and jump, I love to press wild flowers"

close... very very close.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 14, 2014, 12:02:50 PM
Frontal lobotomies were used for a variety of ailments including alcoholism.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.


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Isn't that an old country song?

It's from the same guy who said "Always carry a flagon of whiskey with you in case of snake bite. And furthermore, always carry a small snake." W.C. Fields. One of my heroes.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: The Professor on February 14, 2014, 02:17:37 PM
...I can't understand why commercial examples of the highest alcohol beers are bottled in the bigest bottles....

I've puzzled about that one as well.  It was disappointing when Anchor stopped bottling Old Foghorn in 7oz bottles.

Considering  all the talk being tossed  around these days preaching  about and hyping  "respect for beer", the current trend of striving for very high alcohol levels and then packaging it in bomber sized bottles (or bars serving them on draft  by the pint) seems to turn the whole "respect for beer" argument into some kind of sham. 

Even my favorite "local" (which pioneered the concept of multiple taps featuring exclusively "good" beer here in NJ back in the 1980s) has suffered;  on a recent visit there I was shocked to hear the bartenders pushing mainly the hi-test brews as if the alcohol content was the main thing that the customers should be looking for in a beer.
Kind of sad, really...
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Jimmy K on February 14, 2014, 02:29:02 PM
More and more I love bars that list abv and serving size and do some quick math when deciding what to order. After all, an 8oz snifter of 12% abv beer has less alcohol than a 20oz glass of 5% beer. Not that I'd always choose the snifter, but I'm just trying to be conscious of what I drink.
 
Tastings can be the worst. I like the attention to flavors, but lots of small samples can sneak up on you.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 14, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
A lot of small breweries put their big beers in bombers (22 oz) because they fill them on semi-automatic but mostly manual machines and it's not worth the labor to fill 12 oz bottles with that process.

Our next big purchase is going to be a Maheen filler and when that happens most of our low ABV beers will go in 6 packs and higher will be in 4 packs. But we will keep pumping out some bombers too.

Hey fellas - feel free to share 'em. You don't have to drink the whole thing yourself.  ;)
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: tommymorris on February 14, 2014, 02:46:53 PM

Hey fellas - feel free to share 'em. You don't have to drink the whole thing yourself.  ;)

That's what I thought bombers were for.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 14, 2014, 02:48:30 PM

Hey fellas - feel free to share 'em. You don't have to drink the whole thing yourself.  ;)

That's what I thought bombers were for.

I've been known to share a 12 oz BCS, Dragon's Milk, or other high-test offering.  Keeping a bomber to yourself just seems greedy.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 14, 2014, 02:53:40 PM
I've been known to kill a few myself, no problem.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: blatz on February 14, 2014, 03:06:59 PM
I've been known to kill a few myself, no problem.

yeah - same here - I generally share bombers with friends, but sometimes I kill them myself.  I LOVE Enjoy By and I will drink one all by myself when I get them.  its usually my only beer of the night, but so what.

man its kind of funny, the turn this thread has taken.  "I only have a nip of beer on Saturday nights" etc.  BS - we all love and appreciate beer, and I'd bet drink a fair amount of it.  Brew beer.  Drink it.  But have the discipline to regulate yourself - you all know when you've been drinking too much - your body has a funny way of clue-ing you in - listen to it.  If you're feeling run down, groggy, etc or just feel like man, I've been having 2-4 pints every day for the past 2 weeks, etc.  Take time off - not only will your body appreciate not imbibing poison for a while, but when you do get back to "killing your brain with beer - H. Simpson" you'll likely find that your sense of taste and smell will be greater, at least I do. 

I don't think taking time off signals a "problem" its just giving yourself a chance to recuperate and get back to 'center'.  I personally find that after a few days of no beer I sleep better, am more productive in the morning, and my runs and other athletic activities are much, much better than if I even had only 1 beer the previous day. 
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 14, 2014, 03:11:17 PM
OK.  I'll own up to it.  I will occasionally keep a bomber to myself.

Perhaps more often than occasionally...
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 14, 2014, 03:16:56 PM
More and more I love bars that list abv and serving size and do some quick math when deciding what to order. After all, an 8oz snifter of 12% abv beer has less alcohol than a 20oz glass of 5% beer. Not that I'd always choose the snifter, but I'm just trying to be conscious of what I drink.
 


Totally agree. The more info, the better.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: reverseapachemaster on February 14, 2014, 03:35:07 PM
I find that homebrewers are more honest about talking about alcoholism than a lot of the rest of the craft beer community. Some of the craft beer forums online seem to ban even mentioning it and there's sort of an attitude that alcoholism is just for people who drink a lot of AAL. I wonder how many people who spend all their free time chasing down and trading for beer aren't just chasing a different compulsion. I've seen people talk about how they acquire so much they need to drink several beers each night just to work through their cellar. That certainly sounds a set up for alcoholism.

I am very careful about my drinking because I'm surrounded by alcohol and alcoholics. My dad and older brother are both alcoholics. They both have jobs and don't have problems getting things done but once they start drinking there is no cutting themselves off. My dad stopped drinking shortly after I started homebrewing. That sucks that I can't share my beer with him but I'd rather him be healthy. My older brother still drinks but he gets really serious about his drinking when he's depressed, which was pretty much all of 2010-12 for him. The legal community is full of happy hours and alcoholics. Most networking is done with food and/or alcohol so it's easy get caught up drinking way too much because networking is an integral part of gaining influence in the community and getting client referrals. So I am very limited in how much I drink and under what conditions I drink. I normally only drink on the weekends and I give myself a limit. If I drink during the week I drink less on the weekends (usually) and I try not to do that very often.

Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Pinski on February 14, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
I believe in Oregon anything over 9% has to be served in an 8 oz. pour. Might be 10 oz.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Wheat_Brewer on February 14, 2014, 05:54:32 PM
I still keg some of my beers, but it's so easy to just grab a mug and start pouring...and then refilling. I've switched to a lot of swing top beer bottles which makes me stop and pause to think about "do I really need that extra beer".

While I'm not an insider to the industry I often see a lot of my friends who are on in the inside slowly gaining weight...and a lot of it. Sometimes they just seem to leave the industry without much of a word, I've never speculated much on why, but I wonder if sometimes it isn't due to the weight gain/beer intake/health issues.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: corkybstewart on February 14, 2014, 06:23:56 PM
I'm a geologist, I have about 45 or 50 geologists working for me so we hang out and do geology things.  We go mineral and fossil hunting, we take hikes to observe the local geology, we sit around and discuss geology(while drinking beer). 

If I worked in the beer industry I would hang out with beer people, do tastings, comparisons etc. I can see how easy it would be to get in the habit of drinking during the work day with customers or other people I interacted with in the normal course of my job duties, and before long I'd have a problem.  OTOH it would be very difficult to be a teetotaler and work in the beer industry, even though that would be a much better route to take for my personal health and life.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: kramerog on February 14, 2014, 06:44:09 PM
I still keg some of my beers, but it's so easy to just grab a mug and start pouring...and then refilling.

I know what you mean!  I'm trying to limit my drinking at home to meals and avoiding refills.  On the plus side, I can easily put a nice big head (~4 oz) on every pint I pour from the keg.

Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: flbrewer on February 14, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
What I always try and keep in mind is that you have to apply your beer ABV to a 4-5% beer. If you're enjoying a 7.5% IPA and you have two of them, you are drinking 3 BMC beers. During my most recent physical the doctor told me 1-2 a day is OK, over that is a problem. I try and keep this in mind, as well as take period breaks from time to time. Everything in moderation.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: dkfick on February 14, 2014, 08:52:59 PM
Thought of another thing that bugs me alittle... I don't like when breweries or craft beer bars don't sell half pints.  I really do enjoy a half pint much more than a pint typically.  Mainly because I had have more variety.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 14, 2014, 08:55:26 PM
Thought of another thing that bugs me alittle... I don't like when breweries or craft beer bars don't sell half pints.  I really do enjoy a half pint much more than a pint typically.  Mainly because I had have more variety.

Same here. I like to sample several more than have a huge quantity of any one, regardless of how good.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: klickitat jim on February 14, 2014, 09:02:11 PM
We need some trends. But not laws, just trends. 1. Lower abv and lower IBU more available. 2. Smaller glasses at smaller prices.

Hmm, my biggest beer is 1.050 and bitterest is under 50 IBU. And I have some 8 oz disposable cups... trend started!
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: blatz on February 14, 2014, 09:09:45 PM
Thought of another thing that bugs me alittle... I don't like when breweries or craft beer bars don't sell half pints.  I really do enjoy a half pint much more than a pint typically.  Mainly because I had have more variety.

Same here. I like to sample several more than have a huge quantity of any one, regardless of how good.

I agree, but while breweries want you to drink responsibly, most want your money more.  If they can squeeze an extra $3-$4 out of you (think 4 - 8oz pours in a sitting versus 3 pints cause you're probably likely to stop at 4 tastes but not at 2) then thats more revenue and profit. 

remember guys, its a business.  people are paying ridiculous premiums for high gravity.  it takes about the same amount of time to brew a mild as it does a 9% IIPA.  demand is for high gravity and high gravity equals higher profit and better labor utilization. 
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: The Professor on February 14, 2014, 09:15:57 PM
...while breweries want you to drink responsibly, most want your money more.  If they can squeeze an extra $3-$4 out of you (think 4 - 8oz pours in a sitting versus 3 pints cause you're probably likely to stop at 4 tastes but not at 2) then thats more revenue and profit. 

remember guys, its a business.  people are paying ridiculous premiums for high gravity.  it takes about the same amount of time to brew a mild as it does a 9% IIPA.  demand is for high gravity and high gravity equals higher profit and better labor utilization.

I totally agree on all points made. 
Very well stated, Paul.

Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Jimmy K on February 14, 2014, 09:26:56 PM
I really liked Burlington, VT. Half pints for about half price everywhere. I hear Greg Noonan was really into promoting responsible drinking and probably influenced that.

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Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 14, 2014, 09:59:36 PM
Thought of another thing that bugs me alittle... I don't like when breweries or craft beer bars don't sell half pints.  I really do enjoy a half pint much more than a pint typically.  Mainly because I had have more variety.

Proud to say sell Pints and Half Pints and we don't sell high gravity beers (over 8%) in full pints - halves only. Call me responsible. The last thing I want on my conscience to be responsible for a drunk driving death.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 14, 2014, 10:06:49 PM
we don't sell high gravity beers (over 8%) in full pints - halves only.

This I have no problem with.  But it should be disclosed when you order.  I'm often a little frosty when I order a beer, it's pricey, and it comes in a tiny snifter.

If you tell me upfront, that's OK.  Some places list in on the menu, others do not.  I've had the server tell me, too, but sometimes it's a total surprise.  Well, not really a surprise as I've come to expect it.  But it should be disclosed.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 14, 2014, 11:24:32 PM
we don't sell high gravity beers (over 8%) in full pints - halves only.

This I have no problem with.  But it should be disclosed when you order.  I'm often a little frosty when I order a beer, it's pricey, and it comes in a tiny snifter.

If you tell me upfront, that's OK.  Some places list in on the menu, others do not.  I've had the server tell me, too, but sometimes it's a total surprise.  Well, not really a surprise as I've come to expect it.  But it should be disclosed.

Well, if you can't read a board that's a "you" problem.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: etbrew on February 15, 2014, 12:52:40 AM
I really liked Burlington, VT. Half pints for about half price everywhere. I hear Greg Noonan was really into promoting responsible drinking and probably influenced that.

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I live in the Burlington area have gotten used to being able to order half pints or half beers (half of the serving size whether that is 16, 12, or 8oz).  When I travel I always seek out a good beer bar and I have not found one yet where I could get a half serving outside VT  >:(
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 15, 2014, 02:26:08 AM
Thought of another thing that bugs me alittle... I don't like when breweries or craft beer bars don't sell half pints.  I really do enjoy a half pint much more than a pint typically.  Mainly because I had have more variety.

Same here. I like to sample several more than have a huge quantity of any one, regardless of how good.

I agree, but while breweries want you to drink responsibly, most want your money more.  If they can squeeze an extra $3-$4 out of you (think 4 - 8oz pours in a sitting versus 3 pints cause you're probably likely to stop at 4 tastes but not at 2) then thats more revenue and profit. 

remember guys, its a business.  people are paying ridiculous premiums for high gravity.  it takes about the same amount of time to brew a mild as it does a 9% IIPA.  demand is for high gravity and high gravity equals higher profit and better labor utilization. 


You're totally right, no arguments. Most nights I go out for pints, but sometimes it's nice to have the option for halves.  No misconceptions about profit motives ever, though.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: euge on February 15, 2014, 02:34:28 AM
I acquired a half-pint nonic glass once along the way. It was perhaps a ladies' glass but I could go all day drinking out of that cup. It got broken. :(

Went to a brew pub last weekend and it had prices and ABV on the board and menu. Would have preferred a half pint option.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: beersk on February 15, 2014, 02:46:59 AM
Thought of another thing that bugs me alittle... I don't like when breweries or craft beer bars don't sell half pints.  I really do enjoy a half pint much more than a pint typically.  Mainly because I had have more variety.
Me and my girlfriend were talking about this just last night. It's a great idea. Russian River does it, and that's super awesome. Some people, like her, have a lower tolerance and don't want a full pint all the time. And for those of us that do have a higher tolerance, it's nice too to experience different kinds without having to get a flight. 8 ounces of beer is about the right amount to get a full experience on a beer, I think. Flights don't give you enough for that experience.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Pinski on February 15, 2014, 02:50:20 AM
Seems to me any place I've ever requested a glass rather than a pint, that's what I was served and appropriately charged whether the size/price option was posted or not.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: dkfick on February 15, 2014, 02:59:03 AM
I don't see how half pints would cut into profits. I fully to expect to pay a little over 1/2 the price of a full pint of beer when I get a half pint.  I realize there are extra glasses to be cleaned and fills for the bartenders to pour. I really don't mind paying a little more per oz. Some places get downright offended if you ask for a half pint though.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: beersk on February 15, 2014, 03:02:00 AM
I don't see how half pints would cut into profits. I fully to expect to pay a little over 1/2 the price of a full pint of beer when I get a half pint.  I realize there are extra glasses to be cleaned and fills for the bartenders to pour. I really don't mind paying a little more per oz. Some places get downright offended if you ask for a half pint though.
Yes they do. I had a manager at a local brewery get pissed at me because I asked for a half fill on my mug, for which I am a mug club member of their brewery. I couldn't believe it...why is it such a big deal? It turned me off a bit and I don't go to the brewery so much anymore. It's sad. He was being a dick about it.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 15, 2014, 03:12:31 AM
we don't sell high gravity beers (over 8%) in full pints - halves only.

This I have no problem with.  But it should be disclosed when you order.  I'm often a little frosty when I order a beer, it's pricey, and it comes in a tiny snifter.

If you tell me upfront, that's OK.  Some places list in on the menu, others do not.  I've had the server tell me, too, but sometimes it's a total surprise.  Well, not really a surprise as I've come to expect it.  But it should be disclosed.

Well, if you can't read a board that's a "you" problem.

??

If it's on the board that would seem to address my point about disclosing the serving size. Not all places do so.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 15, 2014, 03:43:47 AM
we don't sell high gravity beers (over 8%) in full pints - halves only.

This I have no problem with.  But it should be disclosed when you order.  I'm often a little frosty when I order a beer, it's pricey, and it comes in a tiny snifter.

If you tell me upfront, that's OK.  Some places list in on the menu, others do not.  I've had the server tell me, too, but sometimes it's a total surprise.  Well, not really a surprise as I've come to expect it.  But it should be disclosed.

Well, if you can't read a board that's a "you" problem.

??

If it's on the board that would seem to address my point about disclosing the serving size. Not all places do so.

Sorry. Stressful day and came out snarkier than I meant. I agree with you. We have it on the board and bartender specifically told to tell people that when they order it. Can't understand why all places wouldn't do that. At least pit it on the board.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 15, 2014, 04:13:38 AM
No worries. Grab a glass of eagle rare and relax.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Pinski on February 15, 2014, 05:57:12 AM
I don't see how half pints would cut into profits. I fully to expect to pay a little over 1/2 the price of a full pint of beer when I get a half pint.  I realize there are extra glasses to be cleaned and fills for the bartenders to pour. I really don't mind paying a little more per oz. Some places get downright offended if you ask for a half pint though.
Yes they do. I had a manager at a local brewery get pissed at me because I asked for a half fill on my mug, for which I am a mug club member of their brewery. I couldn't believe it...why is it such a big deal? It turned me off a bit and I don't go to the brewery so much anymore. It's sad. He was being a dick about it.

That's bullshark. It's amazing what a foreign concept customer service is to some folks.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: dbeechum on February 15, 2014, 06:02:49 AM
One of my favorite trends that I wish would expand more is the "taster flight". A few good beer places near me do the thing where it's an "assemble your own taste panel" and you can throw together four 4-6 oz glasses of beer for a reasonable price per. Yes, the flight is more expensive than if you ordered straight up, but I like the chance to spend the "beer bullets" between multiple beers and see what I really like.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: klickitat jim on February 15, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
Right! Walking Man does a 4 oz of each, taster tray. Its fun to watch the "life of the party" guy try to tackle it solo while his entourage looks at him like he's a fool. The smart way is to share it as a group and share opinions.  Maybe share some immune system builders too LOL. It seems cooler if it's not all dudes, trust me.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 15, 2014, 03:04:56 PM
One of my favorite trends that I wish would expand more is the "taster flight". A few good beer places near me do the thing where it's an "assemble your own taste panel" and you can throw together four 4-6 oz glasses of beer for a reasonable price per. Yes, the flight is more expensive than if you ordered straight up, but I like the chance to spend the "beer bullets" between multiple beers and see what I really like.

+1.  I like to do that the first time I go to a brewpub, to get a feel for what the place is all about. If beers are all ordinary, we'll finish the flight and try someplace else.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: BrewingRover on February 15, 2014, 03:36:39 PM
One of the things I love about pubs in England is that you can order a half of anything on tap, even if a price isn't listed. I believe it's required by law, but I'd have to go look that up.
Title: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: flbrewer on February 15, 2014, 03:39:23 PM
One of the things I love about pubs in England is that you can order a half of anything on tap, even if a price isn't listed. I believe it's required by law, but I'd have to go look that up.
Of course you order a half a pint here in the states as well. Of course it would be the same price and you may get some odd looks.


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Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: denny on February 15, 2014, 05:47:24 PM
We need some trends. But not laws, just trends. 1. Lower abv and lower IBU more available. 2. Smaller glasses at smaller prices.

Hmm, my biggest beer is 1.050 and bitterest is under 50 IBU. And I have some 8 oz disposable cups... trend started!

My wife would probably stop drinking beer if it was all under 50 IBU.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 15, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Glad to see yellowhammer is on the trends. We offer 4 or 6 glass taster flights on wooden paddles. Damn I'm good. ;)
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: ynotbrusum on February 15, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
I love to get flights in smallish glasses - I always say its like being a kid in a candy store - I don't want to have too much volume of any one beer, because I want to try a bunch of them.  I agree to pay a little more, because the labor to pour and serve and clean is a little more.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: erockrph on February 15, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
I'm surprised to hear that taster flights seem trendy. I've seen them at pretty much every brewpub I've been to, and if available I always order one. I'd rather be able to sample 4-6 of the beers being offered than be limited to the 2 or 3 I would typically get over the course of a meal.

Plus, I get a taste of beers I'd rarely order a full pint of, but am interested in tasting. For example, I'm not generally inclined to order a fruit beer or a blonde ale, but I'm generally the one my non-beer nerd friends turn to for recommendations. I like to steer them in the right direction. Also, something like a light lager or a blonde ale is a pretty good indication of a well-run brewhouse when done correctly.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: denny on February 15, 2014, 08:33:42 PM
I'm surprised to hear that taster flights seem trendy. I've seen them at pretty much every brewpub I've been to, and if available I always order one. I'd rather be able to sample 4-6 of the beers being offered than be limited to the 2 or 3 I would typically get over the course of a meal.

Agreed.  I can't recall a place around here in the last 15 years that hasn't done it.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: ynotbrusum on February 15, 2014, 09:00:04 PM
Agreed, when the brewing takes place on site flights are often available, but not so often around here when it is a "serving only" pub that isn't brewing its own.  But I don't understand why beer on tap isn't offered in flights of short glasses.  Maybe it is due to local ordinances that require one beer at a time being served (I have asked for two different beers at once - knowing that the place is short staffed on a busy night - and have been told "I can only serve you one drink at a time".)
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: majorvices on February 15, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
Really? Thought we started it... ;)
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: dbeechum on February 15, 2014, 10:18:40 PM
Yeah, I'm not talking a brewery or brewpub sampler try - I'm talking beer bar flight tray. I love going to one of my "locals" (as the word is defined here in CA), 38 Degrees in Alhambra. They've always have an interesting selection of beer, that I want to taste. But instead of trying to drink 4 pints of everything, I'll just get a taster flight and a pint of something else. It's a handy way of getting to sample more.
Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Jimmy K on February 15, 2014, 11:53:36 PM
Picked Pig (beer bar) near me has taster prices on their menu for everything. Even Miller Lite.

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Title: Re: Craft Beer and Alcoholism
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 16, 2014, 01:46:09 AM
The better bars here will give you a taste for free. Maybe an ounce or two but enough to know what you want to order. If you tried to do a handful of tastes you might wear out your welcome.


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