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Title: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: weazletoe on April 01, 2010, 02:49:08 AM
  Four weeks till I'm Idaho bound. I heard it's state law there you have to have a camper. So, I got a STEAL on a 21ft Prowler. Only 1500$. It's in great shape. Thing is, i'm wondering if either of my trucks are up to lugging it up the Rockies. I have a 97' Silverado with a 4.3, and Holly has a 08' Trailblazer with a V6. I'm not really worried about tearing the bumper out of them, I'm more concerned if the motor / transmission will be up to it. What do ya'll think? I'd sure had to kill the Weaze-mobile somewhere in Wyoming.


Here she is boys. Will be pulling with the Trailblazer though. Not my truck.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd235/Weazletoe/25307_1261463052287_1101011622_2398.jpg)
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: babalu87 on April 01, 2010, 03:05:19 AM
Truck should be more than capable.
You should have a weight distribution hitch AND DEFINATELY a brake controller (The Tekonsha Prodigy is a great one)

http://www.etrailer.com/p-90185.html

WD hitches arent cheap.
http://www.etrailer.com/dept-pg-Weight_Distribution-sf-WD_With_Sway_Control.aspx

Also, check the tires on the trailer as they might need replacing, cant just look at the tire as trailer tires wear different. The treads dont go the sidewalls do because of the forces put on the in turns.

Lots of good info at the RV.net forums.
Your a travel trailer , thats where you want to hang out ;)

Sorry to be so honest but that is a LONG TOW, safety first.
I tow our camper around all Summer, 24 foot Nomad

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/babalu87/Camper/IMG_0850.jpg)

Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: MrNate on April 01, 2010, 03:34:00 AM
Tranny cooler?
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: dhacker on April 01, 2010, 11:30:24 AM
Truck should be fine . . Gas mileage should be crap.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: babalu87 on April 01, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
Tranny cooler?

Yeah, thats a good thought too.
My truck has a tow package. Tranny coolers are pretty easy to install Weaz, should be able to tie it in right in front of your radiator.

Gas mileage, yeah that'll drop through the floor.
I get 18 on the highway with my truck, towing the trailer it goes down to around 10.

Hope we havent talked you out of anything yet Weaz, just getting you some info
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: narvin on April 01, 2010, 01:52:28 PM
Tranny cooler?

Hey now... this is a family forum.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: bluesman on April 01, 2010, 01:54:03 PM
A 21' trailer is on the small side. What does it weigh?

Check your tow capacity on your vehicles.

As babalu has said...a brake controller would be needed to alleviate the srain on the tow vehicles brake system.

It shouldn't be a problem as long as you have it rigged properly.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: MrNate on April 01, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
Tranny cooler?

Hey now... this is a family forum.

Oh, keep an open mind, wouldja? Would you rather have a hot tranny?  ;D
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: pinnah on April 01, 2010, 03:08:33 PM
lugging it up the Rockies.

 ;D, luckily with your probable route, there ain't much lugging up the Rockies involved. ;)
Lots of lonesome country tho, the flats of Wyoming.

Man, you are gonna have some fun.  Hell of a deal on a camper. ;D
You don't just latch on to it with a bumber ball do you?  Seems like you would need a receiver hitch?

Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: tubercle on April 01, 2010, 03:17:58 PM
lugging it up the Rockies.

 ;D, luckily with your probable route, there ain't much lugging up the Rockies involved. ;)
Lots of lonesome country tho, the flats of Wyoming.

Man, you are gonna have some fun.  Hell of a deal on a camper. ;D
You don't just latch on to it with a bumber ball do you?  Seems like you would need a receiver hitch?




I recommend the frame mounted receiver hitch. At some point you may have to turn around and try to find your bumper...and your trailer. ;D
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: weazletoe on April 01, 2010, 05:18:45 PM
  I have reciever hitches on both trucks. The one on my Silverado (Allie as I like to call her) is major beefy. You could pull a house with it. The camper has e-brakes, so I would just need to put a controller on my truck. the tires on the trailer are brand new also. A tranny cooler seems like a good idea. Should be pretty easy to install to. Basically just mount the small radiator up front, and and tap in the tranny lines into trucks radiator, right?
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: babalu87 on April 01, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
  I have reciever hitches on both trucks. The one on my Silverado (Allie as I like to call her) is major beefy. You could pull a house with it. The camper has e-brakes, so I would just need to put a controller on my truck. the tires on the trailer are brand new also. A tranny cooler seems like a good idea. Should be pretty easy to install to. Basically just mount the small radiator up front, and and tap in the tranny lines into trucks radiator, right?

Yeah

Get the Prodigy, its a great controller and an easy install/setup
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on April 01, 2010, 07:40:11 PM
Weez- you should have weight distribution hitch, anti sway bar and brake controller.  I assume your trailer doesn't have a slideout (which adds a ton of weight) so you should be fine w/ your tow rig.  You probably don't NEED the tranny cooler, but the weight dist hitch and anti-sway bar make a HUGE difference.  You're gonna dig it in Idaho.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: bluesman on April 01, 2010, 08:30:14 PM
  I have reciever hitches on both trucks. The one on my Silverado (Allie as I like to call her) is major beefy. You could pull a house with it. The camper has e-brakes, so I would just need to put a controller on my truck. the tires on the trailer are brand new also. A tranny cooler seems like a good idea. Should be pretty easy to install to. Basically just mount the small radiator up front, and and tap in the tranny lines into trucks radiator, right?

Yeah

Get the Prodigy, its a great controller and an easy install/setup

+1

That's a great system. I've used the prodigy when I had my travel trailer. Worked well in the mountains too.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: hamiltont on April 01, 2010, 09:07:31 PM
A good question was asked earlier.  How much does it weigh?  I had an older 24' Prowler & that thing weighed a ton!  6500 lbs. IIRC  We towed it short distances with an Astro Van with a 4.3 HO & 4:10 gears.  Definitely needed a load balancing hitch, sway control, tranny cooler and electric brakes even for those short trips. I would never have taken it cross country.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: weazletoe on April 02, 2010, 01:47:21 AM
  Thanks for the advice all. The trailer comes with sway bars. As for the weight of it, he said it is really light. As far as how light, I'm not sure. He told me "it does not weigh a ton". i'm not sure if he meant that literally, or figuratively. Think I'll look for that controller now. 
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: dhacker on April 02, 2010, 02:15:22 AM
I had an older 24' Prowler & that thing weighed a ton!  6500 lbs.

Umm . . that's three and a half tons!   :D  ;)

Weaz,

Seriously, I pull a Haulmark 16 ft. dual axle closed trailer stuffed to the gills with pyro equipment with a '94 Olds Bravada that has the 4.3 Vortec. Admittedly, it does have the tranny cooler, but it'll pull the trailer just fine . . up to about 60 mph. I have found that more than the weight, the issue is drag off the rear of the trailer. The Bravada accelerates off the mark just fine, but when you get to about 60, it's like a parachute is deployed out the back from all the flat surface area. I guess what I'm saying is you will be able to pull the trailer , but just don't plan to break any speed records.

Oh . . and your fuel mileage WILL be crap! 
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: babalu87 on April 02, 2010, 11:48:21 AM
  Thanks for the advice all. The trailer comes with sway bars. As for the weight of it, he said it is really light. As far as how light, I'm not sure. He told me "it does not weigh a ton". i'm not sure if he meant that literally, or figuratively. Think I'll look for that controller now. 

The weight of the trailer should be on a placard.
Left front of the trailer , near the door or behind a cabinet door above the counter.
Thats DRY WEIGHT.

Or you could look it up here:

http://www.nadaguides.com/default.aspx?LI=1-25-38-5693-0-0-0&l=1&w=25&p=38&f=5692&gc=RV&gtc=TT&ml=P

Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: riverrat on April 02, 2010, 06:05:30 PM
Below about 5000 lbs gross weight and 400 lbs tongue weight, you should be fine with a standard receiver hitch.  Above that, you may want to look into the previously mentioned load distributing hitch.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: hamiltont on April 02, 2010, 06:28:42 PM
I had an older 24' Prowler & that thing weighed a ton!  6500 lbs.

Umm . . that's three and a half tons!   :D  ;)

Ha, you're right!  More like ~3,600 lbs.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: bluesman on April 02, 2010, 06:41:25 PM
A good question was asked earlier.  How much does it weigh?  I had an older 24' Prowler & that thing weighed a ton!  6500 lbs. IIRC  We towed it short distances with an Astro Van with a 4.3 HO & 4:10 gears.  Definitely needed a load balancing hitch, sway control, tranny cooler and electric brakes even for those short trips. I would never have taken it cross country.

Exactly why I asked.

Vehicles have tow limits and total weight limits. GVWR. A vehicle should never be loaded beyond the manufacturer's listed GVWR.

Weaz - have you checked the weight/tow limits?

OR ELSE!!!

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Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on April 02, 2010, 07:41:24 PM
Below about 5000 lbs gross weight and 400 lbs tongue weight, you should be fine with a standard receiver hitch.  Above that, you may want to look into the previously mentioned load distributing hitch.

I strongly disagree.  Get the load distributing hitch.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on April 02, 2010, 07:42:33 PM
A good question was asked earlier.  How much does it weigh?  I had an older 24' Prowler & that thing weighed a ton!  6500 lbs. IIRC  We towed it short distances with an Astro Van with a 4.3 HO & 4:10 gears.  Definitely needed a load balancing hitch, sway control, tranny cooler and electric brakes even for those short trips. I would never have taken it cross country.

Wow.  That seems like alot for an Astro van
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: hamiltont on April 02, 2010, 08:21:37 PM
A good question was asked earlier.  How much does it weigh?  I had an older 24' Prowler & that thing weighed a ton!  6500 lbs. IIRC  We towed it short distances with an Astro Van with a 4.3 HO & 4:10 gears.  Definitely needed a load balancing hitch, sway control, tranny cooler and electric brakes even for those short trips. I would never have taken it cross country.

Wow.  That seems like alot for an Astro van
Ha, it was, but I didn't recall correctly.  It was more like 3,400 lbs dry.  Still a load though!!
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: weazletoe on April 03, 2010, 01:17:39 AM
  Did some investigatin' today. Found the Trailblazer is already wired for a brake controller. The hitch is rated for 400 on the tongue, and 6,000 trailer. Looked in my owners manual, and with my engine / trans, I'm good for 5,700lbs. Not sure of my rear end gearing, so that is assuming the lightest I can pull. I'll check with the dealer, to find out for sure, but even at 5,700, that should be plenty of butt to pull it. And if I go with a WD hitch, I can even go heavier.
   I'm getting anxious to get out of here now. I'm done with work, and won't be seriously looking till about July. Taking some time off. And, my new man cave is being built as I type this. Look out Idaho!  ;D
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: capozzoli on April 03, 2010, 01:23:12 AM
So are you guys gonna live in the trailer or are your inlaws gonna.

I wish I had a trailer. Heck, I would live in a cave right about now.  >:(
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: weazletoe on April 03, 2010, 01:35:41 AM
Nah, we are getting the trailer for camping. Only reason is I got such a steal on it. It's a mid 80's, self contained, in GREAT shape. 1500$!! I'd be stupid not to buy.
   (oh, and I'll be living in the mancave. a little more on that......it's 20x12. Gonna run water to it. I have an 8ft set of SWEET cabinets that are going to go in it, and it will have a bar. The bar and will partition the back part off, and will have vinyl on the floor. This is where the brewing will happen. Up front, will be the big screen, with PS3, my big ole' recliner with heat and massage, and my couch. Gonna deck it all out in Ohio State, and Marilyn Monroe. I'm putting A/C in it too. Them Idaho people swear it's a dry heat, but 90* is 90*. And off the front, it will have a 20x4 porch, with a roof over it. When it's done, party at my house!!!!)
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: pinnah on April 03, 2010, 04:01:40 AM


So are you guys gonna live in the trailer or are your inlaws gonna.

Oh my heck
THAT is an instant classic right there :D :D!




So you gonna make Holly tow that camper.

er maybe you won't be rollin in the Silverado aye :'(
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: weazletoe on April 03, 2010, 04:57:23 PM
Did you seriously just say "oh my heck"? 
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: BrewingRover on April 04, 2010, 10:58:27 PM
Did you seriously just say "oh my heck"? 
Better get used to it.  :D Fetch was always my favorite Utah curse word.

I've lived in the West and the Midwest and 90 degrees is a lot different with low humidity. I worked outside in Utah but there's no way I'd survive a summer (or winter) in Illinois.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: capozzoli on April 04, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
Dawn Wells lives in Idaho.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: pinnah on April 05, 2010, 04:29:27 PM
Did you seriously just say "oh my heck"? 
Better get used to it.  :D

 ;D, yup plenty of oh my heck going on up in Pocatello.

I was always partial to "Good Godfrey"! ;)

Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: weazletoe on April 05, 2010, 10:19:47 PM
"Oh my heck" is specifically the reason I leftPocatello in the first place......

  Keep watching CNN, for a crazed pantelss man, on the clock tower, with firearms.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: pinnah on April 05, 2010, 10:55:36 PM
You could always switch over to "oh my good hell" if you start getting cross. ;)

Wha?  I did not know you had been in the Pocatello before!
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: BrewingRover on April 06, 2010, 01:52:22 AM
You could always switch over to "oh my good hell" if you start getting cross. ;)

Wha?  I did not know you had been in the Pocatello before!
I think you mean h-e- double toothpicks :D

Are you from Pocatello, Weaz? It all starts to come together (speaking as someone who lived in Utah for 20+ years  ::) )
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: weazletoe on April 06, 2010, 02:02:09 AM
 My wife, Holly is from Pocatello. I did a short 1 1/2 year stint there, back in '97. Then, we moved out here to Ohio, where I am from. Wifey decided she wanted to go back home. So, looks like I'm going to have some new neighbors.
  I was pretty happy to lean there is a malting company right in town. Great Western Malting. now, I just gotta find my hops and yeast.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: yugamrap on April 06, 2010, 06:49:23 PM
Look out Idaho!  ;D

They have been warned, but they have no idea....   ;)
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck?
Post by: rabid_dingo on April 06, 2010, 10:01:56 PM
Did you seriously just say "oh my heck"? 
Better get used to it.  :D


 ;D, yup plenty of oh my heck going on up in Pocatello.

I was always partial to "Good Godfrey"! ;)


The one I get a kick out of is "Holy Buckets!"
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: weazletoe on April 13, 2010, 12:55:56 AM
Just had to bump this, for the pic that I added.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: MrNate on April 13, 2010, 04:42:36 AM
Nice! I'm hoping to have a pop-up by next summer.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: capozzoli on April 13, 2010, 05:01:31 AM
Next summer? Yikes. I wake up with one every morning.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: weazletoe on April 13, 2010, 12:31:16 PM
Seriously. They make pills for that.
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: MrNate on April 13, 2010, 12:41:11 PM
Buddy, if my pop-up was so big I needed a tow vehicle...
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: weazletoe on April 13, 2010, 01:56:32 PM
Thread delete in 3.......2.........1...........
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: pinnah on April 13, 2010, 09:52:10 PM
3.......2.........1...........

Nah.

But seriously,  she looks a little heavy in the rear end there fella, :D



I can see you getting the SE Idaho lift kit on that little unit,
wait till you see those offroad huntin rigs, gots two feet clearance

son of a gun.

Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: nicneufeld on April 15, 2010, 09:16:46 PM
"Godfrey Daniels!" and "Mother of Pearl!" are my favorites, but far from coming from the lips of puritans, I recall those sayings from that Great Souse of the Stage and Screen, W.C. Fields.

Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: dirtyjerzey on April 16, 2010, 06:23:26 PM
You guys going to follow each other out there??  You should get some CB Trucker radios so you can talk the whole way out!
(http://www.geeks.com/techtips/2006/Images/burtreynolds.gif)

Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: hamiltont on April 16, 2010, 06:28:04 PM
You guys going to follow each other out there??  You should get some CB Trucker radios so you can talk the whole way out!
  Ya, I can here it now... Breaker 19 for that Pantless Brewer...  Truckers will have fun with that one,, :o
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: weazletoe on April 16, 2010, 09:30:45 PM
Actually, my handle is Chicken Little.  ;D
Title: Re: Will it kill my truck? (now with pics)
Post by: babalu87 on April 16, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
Weaz, that camper looks MINT!

Good luck and have fun, theres gotta be lots of wilderness camping out in Idaho