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Title: Giga Yeast
Post by: beerlord on March 23, 2014, 11:45:29 am
Anyone try Giga Yeast and have an opinion?  I've got the GY001, which I think is their version of the WLP001 that I'm going to try next week.
I'm making a huge starter, even though it supposedly has 200 billion cells but I'm going to store some for future use.
I can't find any reviews anywhere on their yeast but figured I'd give it a try just because. 
http://www.gigayeast.com/norcal-ale-1-gy001
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: yso191 on March 23, 2014, 01:47:24 pm
Never heard of them before your post, but I am intrigued!  Especially about their Vermont IPA Yeast GY054, which I am hoping is Conan from the Alchemist Brewery.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: beerlord on March 23, 2014, 06:34:42 pm
I bought mine from Farmhouse and they didn't have the 'conan' when I ordered it but I plan to try some.
I made a starter at noon today and  3 hours later its gangbusters.  Its' 1 month old  so it's very viable.

It'll be a while before I know how th is works out.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: tcanova on March 23, 2014, 08:43:03 pm
There is a new brewery in our area, Ozark Beer Company, that uses their yeast exclusively.  The head brewer is very keen on this brand and they make the best beer, by far, in our area.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: blatz on March 24, 2014, 08:20:31 am
There is a new brewery in our area, Ozark Beer Company, that uses their yeast exclusively.  The head brewer is very keen on this brand and they make the best beer, by far, in our area.

any idea of what strains he uses?

I like that the yeast is packaged with more cells.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: reverseapachemaster on March 24, 2014, 09:11:21 am
I've also never heard of Giga. Looks like most of their yeast is cultured out of bottles/cans of commercial beers.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: tcanova on March 24, 2014, 07:14:28 pm
There is a new brewery in our area, Ozark Beer Company, that uses their yeast exclusively.  The head brewer is very keen on this brand and they make the best beer, by far, in our area.

any idea of what strains he uses?

I like that the yeast is packaged with more cells.

I think the norcal 1 is his base yeast, but I'm not positive.  I do know that he loves the saison blend.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: Jimmy K on March 24, 2014, 08:06:04 pm
I've also never heard of Giga. Looks like most of their yeast is cultured out of bottles/cans of commercial beers.
Why do you say that?
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: el_capitan on March 24, 2014, 08:12:26 pm
I was somewhat interested until I came to the part where they introduce their dog.  Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather get my yeast from somewhere that pets aren't involved.  The seem to say that the dog is confined to the office, but anyway...
Title: Giga Yeast
Post by: Stevie on March 24, 2014, 08:28:41 pm
First time I heard about it was a year and a half ago when a buddy picked some up from oak barrel in Berkeley. I haven't used it, but I'm sure a quick call to oak barrel or any other store that carries it can shed some light on the quality.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: majorvices on March 25, 2014, 06:51:39 am
I was somewhat interested until I came to the part where they introduce their dog.  Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather get my yeast from somewhere that pets aren't involved.  The seem to say that the dog is confined to the office, but anyway...

So, you are saying that all my beers I ever brewed at home are infected with dog hair?

Two things I am suspicious about in a man. 1) If he doesn't drink coffee. 2) If he doesn't like dogs. I might forgive one of those. But I cross a man out of my books if he doesn't like either. Just sayin'. ;)
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: blatz on March 25, 2014, 07:09:59 am
Two things I am suspicious about in a man. 1) If he doesn't drink coffee. 2) If he doesn't like dogs. I might forgive one of those. But I cross a man out of my books if he doesn't like either. Just sayin'. ;)

+1.



Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 25, 2014, 07:18:18 am
+1. I've brewed for 20+ years with multiple dogs supervising, and clean beer to show for it.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: beerlord on March 25, 2014, 07:23:14 am
My starter could have used a blow off tube!  Took off in 3 hours.
I'm pretty sure it's their version of WLP001 and I'm going to use it in a IIPA this Sunday. I made a 2L starter and split it up into 2 jars and will keep one jar for a future brew but will step up the other jar for the brew this weekend. I figure if I'm paying this much, I want to keep some around for a few more batches.
At this early stage, I'm happy with it so far. The true test will be when I drink the beer.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: blatz on March 25, 2014, 07:27:11 am
My starter could have used a blow off tube!  Took off in 3 hours.
I'm pretty sure it's their version of WLP001 and I'm going to use it in a IIPA this Sunday. I made a 2L starter and split it up into 2 jars and will keep one jar for a future brew but will step up the other jar for the brew this weekend. I figure if I'm paying this much, I want to keep some around for a few more batches.
At this early stage, I'm happy with it so far. The true test will be when I drink the beer.

you did realize you were paying more because it was 200bn cells versus 100bn in wyeast or white labs, right?
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: reverseapachemaster on March 25, 2014, 08:22:00 am
I've also never heard of Giga. Looks like most of their yeast is cultured out of bottles/cans of commercial beers.
Why do you say that?

Most of the descriptions state the strain is from a particular beer or brewery. I guess they could be propagating from a WY/WL or BSI culture instead.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: Stevie on March 25, 2014, 08:54:54 am
I wonder when brewers yeast patents will come into the picture.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: blatz on March 25, 2014, 09:13:39 am
I wonder when brewers yeast patents will come into the picture.

I don't think you can patent a living organism...
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: denny on March 25, 2014, 09:30:52 am
So, you are saying that all my beers I ever brewed at home are infected with dog hair?

Two things I am suspicious about in a man. 1) If he doesn't drink coffee. 2) If he doesn't like dogs. I might forgive one of those. But I cross a man out of my books if he doesn't like either. Just sayin'. ;)

There was a famous homebrewing book by Dave Line where he said that if you homebrewed you had to get rid of your pest or all your beer would be infected.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1982051_904755726220548_1469132619_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: Stevie on March 25, 2014, 09:39:40 am
I wonder when brewers yeast patents will come into the picture.

I don't think you can patent a living organism...

See Monsanto

I'm not saying it's right, but it might happen.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: beerlord on March 25, 2014, 09:40:16 am
My starter could have used a blow off tube!  Took off in 3 hours.
I'm pretty sure it's their version of WLP001 and I'm going to use it in a IIPA this Sunday. I made a 2L starter and split it up into 2 jars and will keep one jar for a future brew but will step up the other jar for the brew this weekend. I figure if I'm paying this much, I want to keep some around for a few more batches.
At this early stage, I'm happy with it so far. The true test will be when I drink the beer.

you did realize you were paying more because it was 200bn cells versus 100bn in wyeast or white labs, right?
Oh yeah I knew that and that's the reason I wanted a big starter so that I can store a few jars for the future.  I'm a cheapo.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: bluesman on March 25, 2014, 10:43:27 am
I would like to give Giga's products a try sometime. I'll definitely try to keep up with reviews/opinions about their yeast. It's always tough being the new kid on the block, but sometimes the new kid can provide great ideas and experiences.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: yso191 on March 25, 2014, 11:14:14 am
I just ordered a couple of packs of their "Vermont IPA" yeast.  Expensive, but if it is Conan no problem.  I've been wanting to brew with that yeast for some time. 

They don't allow retail sales from their website, so I went with their list of homebrew stores that sell their yeast.  Of the three that have online sales, one was on the East Coast, one was out of the one I wanted, so it is coming from Salt Lake, UT.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: tschmidlin on March 25, 2014, 12:14:12 pm
I wonder when brewers yeast patents will come into the picture.

I don't think you can patent a living organism...

See Monsanto

I'm not saying it's right, but it might happen.
You can't patent brewers yeast any more than you can patent corn.  Monsanto can patent GMO corn, but that's because they've actually added something to it and it is no longer just corn.  If a brewery created a GMO strain for brewing then they could patent that.
Title: Giga Yeast
Post by: Stevie on March 25, 2014, 12:52:34 pm
I wonder when brewers yeast patents will come into the picture.

I don't think you can patent a living organism...

See Monsanto

I'm not saying it's right, but it might happen.
You can't patent brewers yeast any more than you can patent corn.  Monsanto can patent GMO corn, but that's because they've actually added something to it and it is no longer just corn.  If a brewery created a GMO strain for brewing then they could patent that.

Would Amarillo be considered GMO? No DNA splicing was done to create it. Does selective breeding count as GMO? From my understanding, it was discovered by happenstance and just turned out to be awesome.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/PP14127

Edit -- I am asking these questions out of curiosity, not trolling.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: weithman5 on March 25, 2014, 02:34:27 pm
So, you are saying that all my beers I ever brewed at home are infected with dog hair?

Two things I am suspicious about in a man. 1) If he doesn't drink coffee. 2) If he doesn't like dogs. I might forgive one of those. But I cross a man out of my books if he doesn't like either. Just sayin'. ;)

There was a famous homebrewing book by Dave Line where he said that if you homebrewed you had to get rid of your pest or all your beer would be infected.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1982051_904755726220548_1469132619_n.jpg)

my wife would be upset with me if i got rid of her.  and she enjoys my beer.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: kmccaf on March 25, 2014, 02:42:47 pm
I wonder when brewers yeast patents will come into the picture.

I don't think you can patent a living organism...

See Monsanto

I'm not saying it's right, but it might happen.
You can't patent brewers yeast any more than you can patent corn.  Monsanto can patent GMO corn, but that's because they've actually added something to it and it is no longer just corn.  If a brewery created a GMO strain for brewing then they could patent that.

Would Amarillo be considered GMO? No DNA splicing was done to create it. Does selective breeding count as GMO? From my understanding, it was discovered by happenstance and just turned out to be awesome.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/PP14127

Edit -- I am asking these questions out of curiosity, not trolling.

I am not a scientist, but my understanding is that Amarillo would not be GMO. GMO takes the genes from a different species and splices them with something else.  Amarillo is the result of different hop varieties breeding with one another.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: flbrewer on March 25, 2014, 04:47:22 pm
I just ordered a couple of packs of their "Vermont IPA" yeast.  Expensive, but if it is Conan no problem.  I've been wanting to brew with that yeast for some time. 

They don't allow retail sales from their website, so I went with their list of homebrew stores that sell their yeast.  Of the three that have online sales, one was on the East Coast, one was out of the one I wanted, so it is coming from Salt Lake, UT.

Saw this today, another Conan spotting?
http://www.theyeastbay.com/brewers-yeast-products/vermont-ale
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: el_capitan on March 25, 2014, 09:38:37 pm
I was somewhat interested until I came to the part where they introduce their dog.  Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather get my yeast from somewhere that pets aren't involved.  The seem to say that the dog is confined to the office, but anyway...

So, you are saying that all my beers I ever brewed at home are infected with dog hair?

Yep, that's exactly what I'm sayin...  ;D  Nah, whatever.  I just thought it was kind of odd to see a yeast-propagation company with a brewdog.  I'm sure they keep him in the office and observe strict sanitation, yada yada yada. 

BTW, I do love dogs.  I taught my mom's little Cavalier King Charles Spaniel all kinds of tricks (including "slide," which is just what it sounds like).  I had to go with my mom a couple weeks ago to put her to sleep.  Really a sad day.  Anyway, brew on with your hairy selves! 
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: tschmidlin on March 26, 2014, 01:12:13 am
Would Amarillo be considered GMO? No DNA splicing was done to create it. Does selective breeding count as GMO? From my understanding, it was discovered by happenstance and just turned out to be awesome.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/PP14127

Edit -- I am asking these questions out of curiosity, not trolling.
No, amarillo is not GMO, but the result of breeding (accidental or otherwise).  You can patent breeds/strains so I guess you're right, you can patent a beer yeast.  I was thinking only of the current strains that are widely in use, which are not patentable (thus my corn analogy).

For creating a patentable strain there are some things you could do but most of them require genetic manipulation that a lot of brewers would probably not go for.  Obviously you can wait for natural mutations, and when you find a strain you like that reproduces without mutating further you can try for a patent.  But I think it would be hard to prove that anyone stole your strain of yeast without inserting markers into the genome.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 26, 2014, 06:13:16 am
I wonder when brewers yeast patents will come into the picture.

I don't think you can patent a living organism...

See Monsanto

I'm not saying it's right, but it might happen.
You can't patent brewers yeast any more than you can patent corn.  Monsanto can patent GMO corn, but that's because they've actually added something to it and it is no longer just corn.  If a brewery created a GMO strain for brewing then they could patent that.

Would Amarillo be considered GMO? No DNA splicing was done to create it. Does selective breeding count as GMO? From my understanding, it was discovered by happenstance and just turned out to be awesome.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/PP14127

Edit -- I am asking these questions out of curiosity, not trolling.

I am not a scientist, but my understanding is that Amarillo would not be GMO. GMO takes the genes from a different species and splices them with something else.  Amarillo is the result of different hop varieties breeding with one another.

The way I read this, you could patent an unique yeast. Asexual reproduction, and yeast are a fungus.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/plant/
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: yso191 on March 26, 2014, 10:01:56 am
I don't know if Conan is patented/licensed/proprietary or not, but the guy at Giga Yeast sure took pains to avoid saying it was Conan/Heady Topper yeast.  Here is the exchange:

"I have been trying to get a couple of cans of Heady Topper from the Alchemist Brewery so that I could culture the yeast.  Is Vermont IPA Yeast GY054 a reasonable facsimile thereof?

Hi Steve,
GY054 has properties that make it outstanding for hop forward beers like an IPA.  Namely, it leaves a slight residual sweetness that balances hop bitterness and a touch of tropical flavors that are brilliant with aromatic hops.  Will your beer taste exactly like Heady Topper if you brew it with GY054?  Probably not.  There are just too many factors that go into making a particular brew.  That being said, if you want a hint of sweetness and some tropical overtones in your IPA you'll be very happy with the results."


A simple yes or no would have been preferred.  Ah, such is life.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 26, 2014, 10:31:10 am
I don't know if Conan is patented/licensed/proprietary or not, but the guy at Giga Yeast sure took pains to avoid saying it was Conan/Heady Topper yeast.  Here is the exchange:

"I have been trying to get a couple of cans of Heady Topper from the Alchemist Brewery so that I could culture the yeast.  Is Vermont IPA Yeast GY054 a reasonable facsimile thereof?

Hi Steve,
GY054 has properties that make it outstanding for hop forward beers like an IPA.  Namely, it leaves a slight residual sweetness that balances hop bitterness and a touch of tropical flavors that are brilliant with aromatic hops.  Will your beer taste exactly like Heady Topper if you brew it with GY054?  Probably not.  There are just too many factors that go into making a particular brew.  That being said, if you want a hint of sweetness and some tropical overtones in your IPA you'll be very happy with the results."


A simple yes or no would have been preferred.  Ah, such is life.

Probably for the same reasons that Wyeast and White Labs do the same.
Title: Re: Giga Yeast
Post by: tschmidlin on March 26, 2014, 01:32:25 pm
The way I read this, you could patent an unique yeast. Asexual reproduction, and yeast are a fungus.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/plant/
Right, but I think proving uniqueness would be a challenge unless you have done some genetic manipulation.