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Title: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 26, 2014, 04:36:52 AM
Im in a slightly snotty irritable mood tonight. Long week I suppose. But I thought it could be fun to vent some beer or brewing pet peeves, if it doesnt go off the rails. So vent nicely please.

Acetaldehyde: there is only one "al" in there. ASS-ET-AL-DE-HIDE, not ASS-EAT-ALL-AL-DE-HIDE!

I'll leave it at just one for now so I dont hog all the good ones...
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: ranchovillabrew on March 26, 2014, 04:56:25 AM
The idea that rarity/scarcity makes it a good beer.  Standing in line for hours to get a taste of some rare beer. Lots of them are very good but just because production is small doesn't make it better. 

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Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 26, 2014, 05:22:29 AM
Peat smoked malt in Scottish... caveat, I have not had a actual fresh from Scotland scotish beer. But ive heard that Scottish beer is smokey from peat smoked malt. Plus its in the guidelines so it must be so.

From what ive gathered, there are a couple breweries in France that use peat smoked malt because they think it gives the beer a scotch flavor. But the story spreads. Now its expected that Scottish ale has smoke. When its pointed out that they actually dont use it, the lore spreads to the yeast throwing a smoke ester... or maybe its from roasted grain, or maybe this or that. Maybe they actually dont have any smoke charater at all. Apparently its near impossible to kill some myths. Like Guiness putting rotten beer in their batches to get that sour flavor. Maybe its just dry? No sour beer, or road kill added.

One day ill have to go to the UK if for no other reason but to taste these fresh and see for myself.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on March 26, 2014, 11:23:10 AM
Littering! Think that doesn't relate to beer and brewing? Most of the cans I pick up are light beer cans. Bud Light the clear winner although recently there has beena  surge of Coors light bottles. A$$H0LES!
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 26, 2014, 11:42:43 AM
Littering! Think that doesn't relate to beer and brewing? Most of the cans I pick up are light beer cans. Bud Light the clear winner although recently there has beena  surge of Coors light bottles. A$$H0LES!

+1. Around here it's keystone or blue mountains (same same) only people from Montana drink bud light.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: AmandaK on March 26, 2014, 12:04:08 PM
The idea that rarity/scarcity makes it a good beer.  Standing in line for hours to get a taste of some rare beer. Lots of them are very good but just because production is small doesn't make it better. 

Agreed!

I'm getting real tired of certain non-beer friends harassing me about why I don't wait/pay for Westy 12, Dark Lord, etc, etc, etc. Fun fact: I have 50 gallons of borderline excellent beer in my basement that I made for less than I would pay for eight Westy 12s. I don't think I need the trouble!   ;D


One more of my own: I was at a work conference over the weekend. I declined to drink whatever beer it was in a green bottle. A man came up to me, described himself as a 'beer guy', and then asked why I wouldn't drink the green-bottled beer. I told him that I did not enjoy skunked beer. He looked at me funny and asked what I meant. I told him, "When beer is packaged in green bottles it is not protected from UV light, which degrades the iso-alpha acids in the beer into an unpleasant aroma that smells like a skunk. So I'd rather have a different beer." He told me that was and interesting theory, chuckled, and then started rambling about how he loved Yuengling - which was packaged in a green bottle.  ::) Nothing much you can do there.
Title: Pet Peeves
Post by: Stevie on March 26, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
Inexplicable fanboyism. Mentioned yuengling, another is shiner.

Edit - forgot to list Abita.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 26, 2014, 12:42:59 PM
+1 to all of these. I bought ( and overpaid) for Westy12. It's great, and also no better than Rochefort10 or St Bernardus12 . Same goes for Dark Lord and other stouts. Pliny is great fresh, and not much better (if any) IMO than a few other breweries' IPAs. And Yuengling speaks for itself, if not very strongly. Fanboy sites suck. Wow....feel better.     ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 26, 2014, 12:49:32 PM
People want stuff that's hard to get, and they want to be the first to get it, and they want to overpay. If the best beer was 50 cents a can and available in every country, it would be scoffed as Crap!

To segue two peeves, if bud could not be sold outside of st Lois and every ditch had an empty cantillion bottle laying in it...
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: stevenb on March 26, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
I hate it when I give non-craft beer drinkers some homebrew and they say, "You made that?  Did you make it in the bathtub?"  My reply is usually, "I did make that.  I hope the soap I used doesn't make it taste funny."  And then I have to try and explain my brewing process to someone that doesn't have any idea what I am talking about, but I feel it is better to educate the non-educated and move on.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: reverseapachemaster on March 26, 2014, 01:47:39 PM
The seemingly inverse relationship between the willingness of beer snobs on certain beer-related websites to pontificate and their knowledge about the subjects upon which they pontificate.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Jimmy K on March 26, 2014, 01:55:44 PM
And I'm speechless, I really thought it was spelled acetylaldehyde!
 
I'm getting real tired of certain non-beer friends harassing me about why I don't wait/pay for Westy 12, Dark Lord, etc, etc, etc. Fun fact: I have 50 gallons of borderline excellent beer in my basement that I made for less than I would pay for eight Westy 12s. I don't think I need the trouble!   ;D

My MO at beer festivals is to go with the shortest lines. I really don't care what awesome beer is being tapped, this unknown brewery's hefeweizen will do just fine.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: weithman5 on March 26, 2014, 02:04:32 PM
Littering! Think that doesn't relate to beer and brewing? Most of the cans I pick up are light beer cans. Bud Light the clear winner although recently there has beena  surge of Coors light bottles. A$$H0LES!

+1. Around here it's keystone or blue mountains (same same) only people from Montana drink bud light.

hey. i am moving to montana, or maybe vancouver washington. still trying to decide.  gotsta get out of illinois
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: micsager on March 26, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
Littering! Think that doesn't relate to beer and brewing? Most of the cans I pick up are light beer cans. Bud Light the clear winner although recently there has beena  surge of Coors light bottles. A$$H0LES!

+1. Around here it's keystone or blue mountains (same same) only people from Montana drink bud light.

hey. i am moving to montana, or maybe vancouver washington. still trying to decide.  gotsta get out of illinois

Go for Vancouver.  Portland has a great beer scene. 
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Pinski on March 26, 2014, 03:07:31 PM
Littering! Think that doesn't relate to beer and brewing? Most of the cans I pick up are light beer cans. Bud Light the clear winner although recently there has beena  surge of Coors light bottles. A$$H0LES!

Yes! Or the scourge of the urban American Landscape. The spent cigarette butt. 
What the he!! makes people think it's OK to just toss those out ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE? 
Take a look down on your next walk around and it'll piss you right off. 
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: kmccaf on March 26, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
Littering! Think that doesn't relate to beer and brewing? Most of the cans I pick up are light beer cans. Bud Light the clear winner although recently there has beena  surge of Coors light bottles. A$$H0LES!

Yes! Or the scourge of the urban American Landscape. The spent cigarette butt. 
What the he!! makes people think it's OK to just toss those out ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE? 
Take a look down on your next walk around and it'll piss you right off.

When I was 16, and a seasonal worker at a state park, it was my job to pick up every cigarette butt in every parking lot and picnick area. It was awful. I also developed a strong hatred for fisherman who couldn't throw anything into a garbage can, except fish they didn't want. Yeah, there was a lot of bmc cans floating around.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: scrap iron on March 26, 2014, 03:41:06 PM
I don't like spices or fruit in most beers. If I want the taste of fruit in beer I'll add a few drops of blackberry or maybe raspberry in a light style of beer like Wheat or Blonde Ale. I'm kind of a purist in that way. If I want spice I eat cookies or a piece of apple pie with a dark beer. Exceptions to this are beers like Saisons, I don't mind some fruit or spice in these because the Belgian funk seem to go well with these flavors. And as Major and Micsager said littering. I live in the Midwest and it's pretty dry right now. The highway I live on has burned areas along the road from dumb asses throwing their cigarettes out the window.      ONLY TRASH LITTERS!  bumper sticker I seen a while back says it all.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: chumley on March 26, 2014, 05:40:12 PM
On the subject of fruit....my pet peeve is ordering a pint of beer, and getting a slice of fruit on the glass.  Lemon for weissbier, orange for wit.  Ask me if I want the fruit, so I can say "no".
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: yso191 on March 26, 2014, 05:56:41 PM
My peeve is restaurants that have a beer list that reads: "Light lager, Light lager, Light lager, Light lager, Light lager, Light lager, Blue Moon.

They think they have a good selection for beer drinkers.  I frequently point out that they are all the basically same style, and I just get that look, coupled with silence.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Stevie on March 26, 2014, 06:52:41 PM
False pints. Pint is a unit of measure, not a shape. If a place calls it a pint, I expect a pint.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: weithman5 on March 26, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
Littering! Think that doesn't relate to beer and brewing? Most of the cans I pick up are light beer cans. Bud Light the clear winner although recently there has beena  surge of Coors light bottles. A$$H0LES!

+1. Around here it's keystone or blue mountains (same same) only people from Montana drink bud light.

hey. i am moving to montana, or maybe vancouver washington. still trying to decide.  gotsta get out of illinois

Go for Vancouver.  Portland has a great beer scene.

yeah there is that.  more of my wife's family live in that area than montana, but way less populated in montana.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 26, 2014, 07:51:11 PM
If you want to live in illinois move to vancouver, id chose eastern Montana.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: euge on March 26, 2014, 08:20:33 PM
Overly complicated beers. Yaaah... this is my double dark chocolate mocha raspberry vanilla bourbon oaked imperial brown ale... I won a ribbon at a charity event entered in the 23 Specialty beer category... my girlfriend loves it.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: yso191 on March 26, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Overly complicated beers. Yaaah... this is my double dark chocolate mocha raspberry vanilla bourbon oaked imperial brown ale... I won a ribbon at a charity event entered in the 23 Specialty beer category... my girlfriend loves it.

OK that too.  Very funny.  We all have met that guy.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: weithman5 on March 26, 2014, 08:43:22 PM
If you want to live in illinois move to vancouver, id chose eastern Montana.

bought property in dillon montana.  next door to my sister/brother in law.  about an hour out of butte.  just not sure if making the move there.  vancouver i am sure would be similar to here in illinois, but at least family there also and no income tax.  will be deciding in next few months
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: cheshirecat on March 26, 2014, 09:01:14 PM
My big one is people that are into the "craft beer scene" and spend a whole lot of time worrying about what other people drink and bagging on them for it. Why should I care if someone wants to drink a light lager? Same people usually spend way to much time bragging about the beer collection too. 

In homebrewing drives me nuts when people insist that their way of brewing is the only way to make great beer (you can only use glass or fly sparge etc). As a wise man once said… "There are many ways to the top of the mountain."
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: deathlylost on March 26, 2014, 09:42:11 PM

False pints. Pint is a unit of measure, not a shape. If a place calls it a pint, I expect a pint.

+1

Hear hear!


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Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: blatz on March 26, 2014, 09:42:30 PM
Overly complicated beers. Yaaah... this is my double dark chocolate mocha raspberry vanilla bourbon oaked imperial brown ale... I won a ribbon at a charity event entered in the 23 Specialty beer category... my girlfriend loves it.

OK that too.  Very funny.  We all have met that guy.

or that brewery.  I can name 2 off the top of my head.

while I love the craft beer movement, am getting tired of the scene nowadays.  that disaster at hunaphu day, in my opinion, is a microcosm of what's kind of getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Stevie on March 26, 2014, 09:49:52 PM
Whooping and yelling when some drunkard drops his glass after drinking his 20th sample of "whatever has the most alcohol" at a beer festival.

Make that $50 all you can drink beer festivals period. I am way more inclined to attend a tap takeover or pint night over $50 day drinking.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 26, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
+1 to all the pretentious BS in craft beer. The breweries (and their beers) don't need to be elitist - just be good or better and worth the $$ charged. And +1 to the stupid all you can drink festivals. I gave those up years ago. It's not even about quality for most of the guys - it's a glorified frat party with pretzel necklaces.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 26, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
And I'm speechless, I really thought it was spelled acetylaldehyde!
 
I'm getting real tired of certain non-beer friends harassing me about why I don't wait/pay for Westy 12, Dark Lord, etc, etc, etc. Fun fact: I have 50 gallons of borderline excellent beer in my basement that I made for less than I would pay for eight Westy 12s. I don't think I need the trouble!   ;D

My MO at beer festivals is to go with the shortest lines. I really don't care what awesome beer is being tapped, this unknown brewery's hefeweizen will do just fine.

I fixing the beer world one mind at a time. :-)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Jimmy K on March 26, 2014, 11:40:04 PM
And I'm speechless, I really thought it was spelled acetylaldehyde!
 
I'm getting real tired of certain non-beer friends harassing me about why I don't wait/pay for Westy 12, Dark Lord, etc, etc, etc. Fun fact: I have 50 gallons of borderline excellent beer in my basement that I made for less than I would pay for eight Westy 12s. I don't think I need the trouble!   ;D

My MO at beer festivals is to go with the shortest lines. I really don't care what awesome beer is being tapped, this unknown brewery's hefeweizen will do just fine.

I fixing the beer world one mind at a time. :-)
Thank you kind sir!

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Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: BrewingRover on March 27, 2014, 02:44:34 AM
My pet peeve is people complaining on the Internet ;D
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: el_capitan on March 27, 2014, 04:33:32 AM
Pet peeves?  I think some of you guys are peeve hoarders! 
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: ranchovillabrew on March 27, 2014, 04:37:36 AM
Another one for me is when the bagger at a grocery store or target uses way more bags than necessary.  Like only one item per bag. Bagging the gallon of milk.  Etc. I think this excessive use of bags is what led so many cities around here to put in plastic bag bans in place.  If they used a reasonable number of bags we wouldn't have needed the ban.

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Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 27, 2014, 05:07:55 AM
Ok, one more. Suffixes peeve me. Like the difference between ed and ive. As in "I'm sexually atractED to Pink." Vs "I'm sexually atravtIVE to Pink." That makes such a huge difference.

How's this related to beer, you ask? Figure it out.

Also peeved by people under the age of 60 who don't know who Pink is.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: theoman on March 27, 2014, 08:02:11 AM
My pet peeves are my biggest pet peeve. I'm annoyed by stupid bs and it annoys me that I'm annoyed by stupid bs.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 27, 2014, 08:12:40 AM
My pet peeves are my biggest pet peeve. I'm annoyed by stupid bs and it annoys me that I'm annoyed by stupid bs.

Romans 7, the Theoman version
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: jeffy on March 27, 2014, 11:22:56 AM
I find the misuse of the descriptor "Belgium" irritating, as in Belgium Dark Strong Ale or Belgium Blonde. 
But I guess it's no worse than Indian Pale Ale. ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on March 27, 2014, 11:24:35 AM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: redbeerman on March 27, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

What if I do? ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on March 27, 2014, 12:07:43 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

What if I do? ;)

Maybe you do, maybe you don't. But you shouldn't try to show off your knowledge to the head brewer. It gets old and boring. Remember that brewers have their own reasons for doing things. Maybe they don't want to stick to the syle guides 110%! Maybe they don't own a copy of "Brewing Classic Styles". As a for instance. I made a stout that I posted here a while back with Dark german munich. It was really, really tasty. Guy comes up to me and tries to tell me "this isn;t a "traditional" Irish Stout."

Yeah, maybe not. I also used German ale yeast. To me it was better than a traditional Irish stout. So STFU homebrew nazi!
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: AmandaK on March 27, 2014, 12:46:26 PM
I find the misuse of the descriptor "Belgium" irritating, as in Belgium Dark Strong Ale or Belgium Blonde. 
But I guess it's no worse than Indian Pale Ale. ;)

UGH. SAME.

There is one guy in KC who refuses to correct this. I hear the description getting made fun of at every competition in the area by the judges in Belgian Specialties. Sorry, Belgium Specialties.  ::)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: theoman on March 27, 2014, 01:09:23 PM
I find the misuse of the descriptor "Belgium" irritating, as in Belgium Dark Strong Ale or Belgium Blonde. 
But I guess it's no worse than Indian Pale Ale. ;)

I'm a naturalized Belgium with a Belgium wife, who's now going to hit himself in the head with a hammer.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 27, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
Makes you want a pint of England Bitter. Definitely no Canada Lager, though.      ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 27, 2014, 01:31:23 PM
Makes you want a pint of England Bitter. Definitely no Canada Lager, though.      ;)
Or a Germany Pilsner.  ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Jimmy K on March 27, 2014, 01:40:12 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

What if I do? ;)

Maybe you do, maybe you don't. But you shouldn't try to show off your knowledge to the head brewer. It gets old and boring. Remember that brewers have their own reasons for doing things. Maybe they don't want to stick to the syle guides 110%! Maybe they don't own a copy of "Brewing Classic Styles". As a for instance. I made a stout that I posted here a while back with Dark german munich. It was really, really tasty. Guy comes up to me and tries to tell me "this isn;t a "traditional" Irish Stout."

Yeah, maybe not. I also used German ale yeast. To me it was better than a traditional Irish stout. So STFU homebrew nazi!
Sounds similar to mine, which is evaluating beer (usually of a commercial beer) starting with "Is this what I think I should be drinking" vs "Is this tasty beer"
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: riceral on March 27, 2014, 02:42:56 PM
maybe we can retitle this topic "Barley whiners"
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Stevie on March 27, 2014, 03:26:31 PM
maybe we can retitle this topic "Barley whiners"

Add bad puns to the list.  ;D
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: reverseapachemaster on March 27, 2014, 03:38:50 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

If it is any consolation, that guy has already annoyed everybody else in the room before he got to you.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 27, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

If it is any consolation, that guy has already annoyed everybody else in the room before he got to you.
I make an effort not to be "that guy".
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 27, 2014, 03:52:04 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

If it is any consolation, that guy has already annoyed everybody else in the room before he got to you.
I make an effort not to be "that guy".

+1 Same here.  I go to a brewpub where I know the brewer, and he'll often ask my impression of a beer, and I give it when asked. But I wouldn't march in and presume to second guess a guy, or feel I needed to pepper him with half a$$ed questions, like some. When I go to a brewpub for the first time, I get the sampler flight of whatever is offered. Tells me everything I need to know about the place (and the guy).
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: denny on March 27, 2014, 04:13:00 PM
My big one is people that are into the "craft beer scene" and spend a whole lot of time worrying about what other people drink and bagging on them for it. Why should I care if someone wants to drink a light lager? Same people usually spend way to much time bragging about the beer collection too. 

In homebrewing drives me nuts when people insist that their way of brewing is the only way to make great beer (you can only use glass or fly sparge etc). As a wise man once said… "There are many ways to the top of the mountain."

+1.060 x 2!
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: redbeerman on March 27, 2014, 07:09:19 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

What if I do? ;)

Maybe you do, maybe you don't. But you shouldn't try to show off your knowledge to the head brewer. It gets old and boring. Remember that brewers have their own reasons for doing things. Maybe they don't want to stick to the syle guides 110%! Maybe they don't own a copy of "Brewing Classic Styles". As a for instance. I made a stout that I posted here a while back with Dark german munich. It was really, really tasty. Guy comes up to me and tries to tell me "this isn;t a "traditional" Irish Stout."

Yeah, maybe not. I also used German ale yeast. To me it was better than a traditional Irish stout. So STFU homebrew nazi!

Ummm.  I was just picking on you, Keith!  But yeah, I get that, and I try not to be THAT guy!  And the beer sound delicious, BTW.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on March 27, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

What if I do? ;)

Maybe you do, maybe you don't. But you shouldn't try to show off your knowledge to the head brewer. It gets old and boring. Remember that brewers have their own reasons for doing things. Maybe they don't want to stick to the syle guides 110%! Maybe they don't own a copy of "Brewing Classic Styles". As a for instance. I made a stout that I posted here a while back with Dark german munich. It was really, really tasty. Guy comes up to me and tries to tell me "this isn;t a "traditional" Irish Stout."

Yeah, maybe not. I also used German ale yeast. To me it was better than a traditional Irish stout. So STFU homebrew nazi!

I've noticed this and have mentioned it before. The default seems to be tge style guide, and some take it one step farther. It has to be within a percent or two of the Brewing Clasic Styles recipe. News flash, less than 1% of beer drinkers know about the styles.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: yso191 on March 27, 2014, 09:57:17 PM
I experienced what I would say is an exception.  I visited a local brewery last year for dinner.  After perusing their beer list I selected one (don't remember which, but it was a fairly common style like a Brown Ale or something).  When it came it was a sour whatever.  No mention in the beer list about it being a sour beer.  I did tell the server that it probably should have been noted in the description.  She, like she should have, offered to replace the beer so all was made right but I think that is a legit complaint.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on March 28, 2014, 12:32:16 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

What if I do? ;)

Maybe you do, maybe you don't. But you shouldn't try to show off your knowledge to the head brewer. It gets old and boring. Remember that brewers have their own reasons for doing things. Maybe they don't want to stick to the syle guides 110%! Maybe they don't own a copy of "Brewing Classic Styles". As a for instance. I made a stout that I posted here a while back with Dark german munich. It was really, really tasty. Guy comes up to me and tries to tell me "this isn;t a "traditional" Irish Stout."

Yeah, maybe not. I also used German ale yeast. To me it was better than a traditional Irish stout. So STFU homebrew nazi!

Ummm.  I was just picking on you, Keith!  But yeah, I get that, and I try not to be THAT guy!  And the beer sound delicious, BTW.

Yeah. I know buddy! But you're stepping on my pet peeves. What do you expect? ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: speed on March 28, 2014, 05:01:41 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

If it is any consolation, that guy has already annoyed everybody else in the room before he got to you.
I make an effort not to be "that guy".

+1 Same here.  I go to a brewpub where I know the brewer, and he'll often ask my impression of a beer, and I give it when asked. But I wouldn't march in and presume to second guess a guy, or feel I needed to pepper him with half a$$ed questions, like some. When I go to a brewpub for the first time, I get the sampler flight of whatever is offered. Tells me everything I need to know about the place (and the guy).


I did this at a new brewery here in nebraska, first time there and had a flight, they all tasted terrible. I wanted to tell him but he never came over and asked how they were so I kept my mouth shut.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Joe Sr. on March 28, 2014, 07:56:15 PM

False pints. Pint is a unit of measure, not a shape. If a place calls it a pint, I expect a pint.

+1

Hear hear!


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This.  I pointed out at a local that the English style "pint" was a 12 oz glass, so to prove me wrong the bartender filled one with water and poured it into the 12 oz shaker glass.  I told her she only proved to me that all their glasses are 12 oz and she got pissed.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 28, 2014, 08:40:10 PM

False pints. Pint is a unit of measure, not a shape. If a place calls it a pint, I expect a pint.

+1

Hear hear!


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This.  I pointed out at a local that the English style "pint" was a 12 oz glass, so to prove me wrong the bartender filled one with water and poured it into the 12 oz shaker glass.  I told her she only proved to me that all their glasses are 12 oz and she got pissed.
Wonder what they would do if you walked in with a Pyrex measuring cup?
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: Joe Sr. on March 28, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
I'll never find out, as they closed down.

Unfortunate, as they had an excellent bottle selection and Old Rasputin on tap.

I'm not sure they're closed for good, but hours and ownership got squirrely and they're no longer on my short list.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 28, 2014, 11:46:13 PM
I'll never find out, as they closed down.

Unfortunate, as they had an excellent bottle selection and Old Rasputin on tap.

I'm not sure they're closed for good, but hours and ownership got squirrely and they're no longer on my short list.
Well, that explains a lot.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on March 29, 2014, 12:58:56 PM
I find homebrewers who come into a brewery and think they know more about brewing beer than the head brewer extremely annoying and far too common.

If it is any consolation, that guy has already annoyed everybody else in the room before he got to you.
I make an effort not to be "that guy".

+1 Same here.  I go to a brewpub where I know the brewer, and he'll often ask my impression of a beer, and I give it when asked. But I wouldn't march in and presume to second guess a guy, or feel I needed to pepper him with half a$$ed questions, like some. When I go to a brewpub for the first time, I get the sampler flight of whatever is offered. Tells me everything I need to know about the place (and the guy).


I did this at a new brewery here in nebraska, first time there and had a flight, they all tasted terrible. I wanted to tell him but he never came over and asked how they were so I kept my mouth shut.



The difference here is, non of our beers are terrible. ;) Criticism is one thing, taking on a false pretense that you are more educated than the guy brewing the beer is something else. Most homebrewers would have no idea how to make beer on a commercial level.

I should add, 99% of the homebrewers I meet are super cool and very appreciative of my beer. I get homebrewers coming in to bring me a new homebrew to try about once a week. Some of my best friends are homebrewers. But every now and then there's one guy who is going to criticize everything because "he could do it better" or "this isn't to style" or whatever. come on - you guys all have that guy in your homebrew club, right?
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: micsager on April 01, 2014, 04:19:10 PM


In homebrewing drives me nuts when people insist that their way of brewing is the only way to make great beer (you can only use glass or fly sparge etc). As a wise man once said… "There are many ways to the top of the mountain."

I'm with ya on this one.  +1000

Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: udubdawg on April 01, 2014, 04:56:47 PM
I should add, 99% of the homebrewers I meet are super cool and very appreciative of my beer. I get homebrewers coming in to bring me a new homebrew to try about once a week. Some of my best friends are homebrewers. But every now and then there's one guy who is going to criticize everything because "he could do it better" or "this isn't to style" or whatever. come on - you guys all have that guy in your homebrew club, right?

I have a few who think, or rather thought, that I was that guy.  Because they see me saying that at a competition, all the time.  They were surprised to see me say otherwise when tasting commercial beer and visiting commercial breweries.  C'mon guys, this isn't a competition.  They're trying to make delicious beer that people want to buy at a price that lets them make a living, and have succeeded.  Arguing about whether or not it hits the robust porter guidelines as a measure of the quality of the brewery is pointless.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: denny on April 01, 2014, 05:38:52 PM
I should add, 99% of the homebrewers I meet are super cool and very appreciative of my beer. I get homebrewers coming in to bring me a new homebrew to try about once a week. Some of my best friends are homebrewers. But every now and then there's one guy who is going to criticize everything because "he could do it better" or "this isn't to style" or whatever. come on - you guys all have that guy in your homebrew club, right?

I was recently on a very awkward situation.  I was at a party with 2 of the owners of a new brewery, one of whom I know pretty well.  he' a real beer geek and really likes my beers.  They have just started brewing so he brought 3 of their beers along for me to try.  Some sort of amber that had heavy notes of banana and bubblegum, a pale that was OK but nothing special and a stout that was pretty good.  He knew there was something wrong with the amber and asked me about it.  Now, I have never met their brewer.  All I know is that he used to brew at Trumer, which to me implies a certain level of competence.  Si, I had to stand there and guess what might be wrong, what he might have done that caused it, and how to correct it.  I used a lot of "maybe", "possibly", "might "have" kind of stuff.  I didn't want to diss the guy to his boss when I really knew nothing more than the beer wasn't supposed to be like that.  It was kinda unpleasant.  I felt like "that guy", but I was being asked to be him!
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on April 01, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
I guess it is different if there really is something flawed with the beer. I'm talking about needlessly nit picking. Not finding an obvious off flavor. I'm sure that if any of you guys visited my tap room you'd find that we are putting out some very nice beers. Don't want to give the impression that we are serving a bunch of flawed beers that homebrewers are coming in and spitting out. ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 01, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
I should add, 99% of the homebrewers I meet are super cool and very appreciative of my beer. I get homebrewers coming in to bring me a new homebrew to try about once a week. Some of my best friends are homebrewers. But every now and then there's one guy who is going to criticize everything because "he could do it better" or "this isn't to style" or whatever. come on - you guys all have that guy in your homebrew club, right?

 They're trying to make delicious beer that people want to buy at a price that lets them make a living, and have succeeded.  Arguing about whether or not it hits the robust porter guidelines as a measure of the quality of the brewery is pointless.

+1.  Brewing for comps (and to style) is one thing - the expectation to hit styles is obviously the criteria.  But in a brewpub I could care less if the beer hits the guidelines to the letter. It should be recognizeable as what it's called on the menu, but I like to see a brewer's take on a given beer style more than crunching numbers for style.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: redbeerman on April 02, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
I should add, 99% of the homebrewers I meet are super cool and very appreciative of my beer. I get homebrewers coming in to bring me a new homebrew to try about once a week. Some of my best friends are homebrewers. But every now and then there's one guy who is going to criticize everything because "he could do it better" or "this isn't to style" or whatever. come on - you guys all have that guy in your homebrew club, right?

 They're trying to make delicious beer that people want to buy at a price that lets them make a living, and have succeeded.  Arguing about whether or not it hits the robust porter guidelines as a measure of the quality of the brewery is pointless.

+1.  Brewing for comps (and to style) is one thing - the expectation to hit styles is obviously the criteria.  But in a brewpub I could care less if the beer hits the guidelines to the letter. It should be recognizeable as what it's called on the menu, but I like to see a brewer's take on a given beer style more than crunching numbers for style.

I agree.  I don't give a crap about style unless it is for competition.  I like tasty beer, regardless of style or whatever. :)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: speed on April 03, 2014, 04:48:33 PM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: yso191 on April 03, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on April 04, 2014, 12:37:44 AM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: euge on April 04, 2014, 12:40:07 AM
Forum should be conversational tone. ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 04, 2014, 12:49:46 AM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....

+1.  I mean, so,umm............+1 anyway.         ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on April 04, 2014, 12:55:55 AM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....

+1.  I mean, so,umm............+1 anyway.         ;)

Lol! Errr , yeah, I hate that too. So... Lol!and emoticons are for 13 year old girls! ;)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 04, 2014, 01:01:07 AM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....

+1.  I mean, so,umm............+1 anyway.         ;)

Lol! Errr , yeah, I hate that too. So... Lol!and emoticons are for 13 year old girls! ;)


Yeah I have to agree, lol ! Emoticons do seem kind of, well, girlish. I feel dumb every time I use one ! 
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on April 04, 2014, 01:04:17 AM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....

+1.  I mean, so,umm............+1 anyway.         ;)

Lol! Errr , yeah, I hate that too. So... Lol!and emoticons are for 13 year old girls! ;)




Yeah I have to agree, lol ! Emoticons do seem kind of, well, girlish. I feel dumb every time I use one !


Lol! Like, I also, like, hate it when people continue to quote posts with quotes in them!!! And enough with the exclamation points already!!!!! Ok??? :)
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 04, 2014, 01:06:00 AM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....

+1.  I mean, so,umm............+1 anyway.         ;)

Lol! Errr , yeah, I hate that too. So... Lol!and emoticons are for 13 year old girls! ;)




Yeah I have to agree, lol ! Emoticons do seem kind of, well, girlish. I feel dumb every time I use one !


Lol! Like, I also, like, hate it when people continue to quote posts with quotes in them!!! And enough with the exclamation points already!!!!! Ok??? :)

Killing me. Just shot beer out my nose. If I was a bartender I'd cut me off.
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: majorvices on April 04, 2014, 01:08:55 AM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.

So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....

+1.  I mean, so,umm............+1 anyway.         ;)

Lol! Errr , yeah, I hate that too. So... Lol!and emoticons are for 13 year old girls! ;)




Yeah I have to agree, lol ! Emoticons do seem kind of, well, girlish. I feel dumb every time I use one !


Lol! Like, I also, like, hate it when people continue to quote posts with quotes in them!!! And enough with the exclamation points already!!!!! Ok??? :)

Killing me. Just shot beer out my nose. If I was a bartender I'd cut me off.

Stop it! I can't resist posting now everytime you quote me! :P

Otoh, everyone keep on topic in the all grain section cause I really hate it when you post a fermentation topic I. The all grain section!!!! Lol! Like, seriously....
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on April 04, 2014, 01:17:10 AM
Furthermore, I like starting sentences with furthermore. Especially if its the first thing said.
Title: Pet Peeves
Post by: Stevie on April 04, 2014, 01:26:26 AM
Emoticons have their place. Otherwise people would never know I am yanking their chain
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: klickitat jim on April 04, 2014, 01:33:35 AM
Thats the silliest thing ive ever heard. ;D
Title: Re: Pet Peeves
Post by: case thrower on April 04, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
When people start a sentence with so, or I mean.


So I do that all the time.  I mean I am kind of offended.

Seriously though, I am frequently tempted to do this in an attempt to convey a 'conversational tone.'  I agree that it is incorrect - hopefully I catch most of them.

So, yeah. I mean .... I hate that....

+1.  I mean, so,umm............+1 anyway.         ;)

Lol! Errr , yeah, I hate that too. So... Lol!and emoticons are for 13 year old girls! ;)




Yeah I have to agree, lol ! Emoticons do seem kind of, well, girlish. I feel dumb every time I use one !


Lol! Like, I also, like, hate it when people continue to quote posts with quotes in them!!! And enough with the exclamation points already!!!!! Ok??? :)

Killing me. Just shot beer out my nose. If I was a bartender I'd cut me off.

Stop it! I can't resist posting now everytime you quote me! :P

Otoh, everyone keep on topic in the all grain section cause I really hate it when you post a fermentation topic I. The all grain section!!!! Lol! Like, seriously....

Ah, like, whatever, dude, ya know? :o