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Title: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: redbeerman on March 31, 2014, 04:40:16 PM
I made ten gallons of Lambic wort and pitched WLP655 in half and Wyeast Lambic blend in the other half.  My question is, how long should I leave them on the primary yeast before I transfer them to the secondary?
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: garc_mall on March 31, 2014, 07:05:08 PM
I made ten gallons of Lambic wort and pitched WLP655 in half and Wyeast Lambic blend in the other half.  My question is, how long should I leave them on the primary yeast before I transfer them to the secondary?

I am not sure for Lambics, but for my Flanders red, I never took it out of primary. It spent 18 months in primary, with no autolysis related off-flavors.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: redbeerman on March 31, 2014, 07:27:08 PM
I started them in plastic buckets.  I'm thinking it would be best to put them in glass at some point.  They've been in primary for a little over three weeks at this point. 
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: AmandaK on March 31, 2014, 08:05:40 PM
I started them in plastic buckets.  I'm thinking it would be best to put them in glass at some point.  They've been in primary for a little over three weeks at this point.

I do a month undisturbed in plastic, then quietly transfer to glass.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: tschmidlin on April 01, 2014, 12:13:25 AM
I've done a split batch with WLP655 in one of the carboys. This was AFTER under-attenuating the wort (about 50% AA) and then racking it.  It sat for a couple of years and became incredibly sour, I know Jeffy tried it when it was served at the NHC in SD as "You Can't Handle the Sour".  And that was after back sweetening it with concentrated apple juice.  I liked it though.

I used Roselare for one of the other carboys, and some Russian River chips for the third.  Those were much nicer, with a softer sourness.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: jeffy on April 01, 2014, 01:33:51 AM
I've done a split batch with WLP655 in one of the carboys. This was AFTER under-attenuating the wort (about 50% AA) and then racking it.  It sat for a couple of years and became incredibly sour, I know Jeffy tried it when it was served at the NHC in SD as "You Can't Handle the Sour".  And that was after back sweetening it with concentrated apple juice.  I liked it though.

I used Roselare for one of the other carboys, and some Russian River chips for the third.  Those were much nicer, with a softer sourness.
Can you remind me what I thought of it?
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: tschmidlin on April 01, 2014, 04:49:15 AM
I've done a split batch with WLP655 in one of the carboys. This was AFTER under-attenuating the wort (about 50% AA) and then racking it.  It sat for a couple of years and became incredibly sour, I know Jeffy tried it when it was served at the NHC in SD as "You Can't Handle the Sour".  And that was after back sweetening it with concentrated apple juice.  I liked it though.

I used Roselare for one of the other carboys, and some Russian River chips for the third.  Those were much nicer, with a softer sourness.
Can you remind me what I thought of it?
You liked it too IIRC :)
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: jeffy on April 01, 2014, 11:56:26 AM
I've done a split batch with WLP655 in one of the carboys. This was AFTER under-attenuating the wort (about 50% AA) and then racking it.  It sat for a couple of years and became incredibly sour, I know Jeffy tried it when it was served at the NHC in SD as "You Can't Handle the Sour".  And that was after back sweetening it with concentrated apple juice.  I liked it though.

I used Roselare for one of the other carboys, and some Russian River chips for the third.  Those were much nicer, with a softer sourness.
Can you remind me what I thought of it?
You liked it too IIRC :)

I must really be getting old if I can't remember a sip of beer during a beer conference four years ago.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: reverseapachemaster on April 01, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
I leave it all together in primary.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: chumley on April 01, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
Lambics.....I like to ferment in the primary with a neutral ale yeast, then secondary in an oak cask with the bugs in it.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on April 04, 2014, 08:09:43 PM
I started them in plastic buckets.  I'm thinking it would be best to put them in glass at some point.  They've been in primary for a little over three weeks at this point.

I do a month undisturbed in plastic, then quietly transfer to glass.

+1

Have fresh wort ready to transfer on top of the yeast in the plastic fermenter. With each turn, the results get better and better!
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 08, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
I started them in plastic buckets.  I'm thinking it would be best to put them in glass at some point.  They've been in primary for a little over three weeks at this point.

I do a month undisturbed in plastic, then quietly transfer to glass.

+1

Have fresh wort ready to transfer on top of the yeast in the plastic fermenter. With each turn, the results get better and better!

That is a great idea!  For Rosalaere or which yeast/bug blend?  I can have a Solara going on both ends this way.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: garc_mall on April 08, 2014, 04:59:17 PM
I started them in plastic buckets.  I'm thinking it would be best to put them in glass at some point.  They've been in primary for a little over three weeks at this point.

I do a month undisturbed in plastic, then quietly transfer to glass.

+1

Have fresh wort ready to transfer on top of the yeast in the plastic fermenter. With each turn, the results get better and better!

That is a great idea!  For Rosalaere or which yeast/bug blend?  I can have a Solara going on both ends this way.

I have a second batch of Flanders red going on a roselare blend yeast cake, the brett seems to have taken hold quicker this time, as it already has the beginnings of a pellicle 6 weeks in.
Title: Re: Lambic Primary Fermentation
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on April 08, 2014, 05:48:34 PM
I started them in plastic buckets.  I'm thinking it would be best to put them in glass at some point.  They've been in primary for a little over three weeks at this point.

I do a month undisturbed in plastic, then quietly transfer to glass.

+1

Have fresh wort ready to transfer on top of the yeast in the plastic fermenter. With each turn, the results get better and better!

That is a great idea!  For Rosalaere or which yeast/bug blend?  I can have a Solara going on both ends this way.

Doesn't matter, as long as it contains lacto, brett, and pedio. You can always introduce new strains as you go.

I haven't tried it yet, but I think an initial lactic acid fermentation with lactobacillus will be beneficial (speed up activity, enhance flavor development, etc.). Also - I won't have to brew turbid wort and transfer on the same day.