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Title: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: hoser on April 02, 2014, 02:39:28 AM
So there was a thread a while back that talked about that, "German Lager flavor."

I have a Kolsch going with ECY 21 Kolsch yeast at 60F.  I am about 10+ days into fermentation. Just curious what everyones thoughts are about lagering.  On or off the yeast?  The consensus was on the yeast for a month for the lagers.  Just curious what the thoughts are on a delicate light hybrid like a kolsch?  Does it matter? Thanks!

Brian
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: majorvices on April 02, 2014, 11:08:33 AM
I usually cold crash on the yeast for a week or so then rack to corny with finings aand lager a another week or till it is clear. No need lagering this beer for more than a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: redbeerman on April 02, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
I usually cold crash on the yeast for a week or so then rack to corny with finings aand lager a another week or till it is clear. No need lagering this beer for more than a couple weeks.
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Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 02, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
I usually cold crash on the yeast for a week or so then rack to corny with finings aand lager a another week or till it is clear. No need lagering this beer for more than a couple weeks.
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Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: bluesman on April 02, 2014, 04:31:26 PM
I usually lager on the yeast for 2-4 weeks, then keg and carbonate.
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: doctorj on April 02, 2014, 05:32:35 PM
I have only done 1 Kolsch but I lagered off the yeast for 4 weeks in secondary after 2 weeks in primary.
This was per the instructions in BCS.
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: majorvices on April 03, 2014, 11:20:11 AM
I have only done 1 Kolsch but I lagered off the yeast for 4 weeks in secondary after 2 weeks in primary.
This was per the instructions in BCS.

You certainly can lager 4 weeks if that's what you want, and you may need to if you can't get the beer to clear. But it is by no means necessary. I've brewed a lot of kolsch over the years and it's no better at 4 weeks than it is at 2. Once the yeast is dropped and the beer is clear it is ready to drink. The fresher the better for this beer.
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 03, 2014, 12:43:10 PM
I have only done 1 Kolsch but I lagered off the yeast for 4 weeks in secondary after 2 weeks in primary.
This was per the instructions in BCS.

You certainly can lager 4 weeks if that's what you want, and you may need to if you can't get the beer to clear. But it is by no means necessary. I've brewed a lot of kolsch over the years and it's no better at 4 weeks than it is at 2. Once the yeast is dropped and the beer is clear it is ready to drink. The fresher the better for this beer.
That is a Koelsch in the avatar picture, correct?
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: majorvices on April 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
As a matter of fact, yes it is!
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 04, 2014, 02:13:24 AM
I make a honey lemon Kolsch that is perfectly fine at 3-4 weeks, with only a week of that at cold crash temps.  WLP029 is the yeast IIRC.  It gets it done and drops pretty clear in that time.  You can always hit it with gelatin if you want.
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: bluesman on April 04, 2014, 04:52:11 PM
You certainly can lager 4 weeks if that's what you want, and you may need to if you can't get the beer to clear. But it is by no means necessary. I've brewed a lot of kolsch over the years and it's no better at 4 weeks than it is at 2. Once the yeast is dropped and the beer is clear it is ready to drink. The fresher the better for this beer.

I agree Keith. Fresher is better as long as it's clear.
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: hoser on April 04, 2014, 05:05:08 PM
Thanks for all the help.  Started chilling it down last night.  Will plan on lagering on the yeast and transfer over next weekend.
Title: Re: Kolsch: Lager on or off yeast?
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 09, 2014, 02:24:54 PM
I have only done 1 Kolsch but I lagered off the yeast for 4 weeks in secondary after 2 weeks in primary.
This was per the instructions in BCS.

You certainly can lager 4 weeks if that's what you want, and you may need to if you can't get the beer to clear. But it is by no means necessary. I've brewed a lot of kolsch over the years and it's no better at 4 weeks than it is at 2. Once the yeast is dropped and the beer is clear it is ready to drink. The fresher the better for this beer.

same experience...a week or so of lager time for me is just to clear things up, and IME the kolsch clears nicely very quickly if all has gone well with the brew process. i use WLP029 exclusively.