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Title: Post your water report
Post by: denny on April 04, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
Here's an opportunity to post your water report for other people to see.  Please say where you're from and any other relevant info that might allow people to see if your water might be like theirs.

I get my water from a well.  I'm about 10 mi. NW of Noti OR.

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 164
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.27
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.8 / 2.7
               ppm
Sodium, Na 11
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 34
Magnesium, Mg 7
Total Hardness, CaCO3 114
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 19
Chloride, Cl 3
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 90
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 74
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on April 04, 2010, 07:37:57 PM
Sterling, VA - Loudoun County Water Authority
Sample Date:  11/25/2009


pH 7.7
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 258
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.43
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.3 / 4.0

ppm
Sodium, Na 22
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 46
Magnesium, Mg 11
Total Hardness, CaCO3 161
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.7 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 21
Chloride, Cl 23
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 121
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 99
Fluoride, F 1.22
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 04, 2010, 07:52:03 PM
There are 2 reports here.  Store bought RO water, and then my towns water.  Samples were last December-ish.

I use the RO for brewing and add different salts to get the profile I want.

RO Water, Milford Michigan
pH 6.3, 7.8
TDS 12, 630
Cond. mmho/cm 0.02, 1.05
Cations/anions me/L <.1/<.1, 11,10.8

Na <1, 58
K <1, 3
Ca <1, 114
Mg <1, 33
Harness CaCO3 <1, 423
Nitrate <0.1 (Safe), 0.3 (Safe)
SO4 <1, 16
Cl <1, 132
CO3 <1, <1
HCO3 <1, 364
Total Alkalinity CaCO3 <1, 298
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: euge on April 04, 2010, 07:54:09 PM
San Antonio, Texas.

All-Grain brewer's here will find themselves needing to brew in the 18+ SRM range when using 100% Edwards Aquifer water.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BGa2L64KQdY/S7juNyunL1I/AAAAAAAAADY/0RW5ACRhctw/s640/water_report.png)



Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dhacker on April 04, 2010, 08:00:55 PM
West TN well water . . 220 ft. deep in the McNairy-Nacatoch aquifer. Almost 500 ft. thick where I live.

It's a clean slate for me!  ;D  Can you say Bo-pils??  :D


pH 5.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 47
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.08
Cations / Anions, me/L < 0.1 / 0.1
ppm
Sodium, Na < 1
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca < 1
Magnesium, Mg < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 < 1
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl < 1
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 6
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 5
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 04, 2010, 10:46:11 PM
West TN well water . . 220 ft. deep in the McNairy-Nacatoch aquifer. Almost 500 ft. thick where I live.

It's a clean slate for me!  ;D  Can you say Bo-pils??  :D


Hacker,

They have more minerals in the water in Pilsen!

You are a lucky man.  I have to buy RO water to have water like that. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: a10t2 on April 05, 2010, 01:40:53 AM
You are a lucky man.  I have to buy RO water to have water like that.

Depending on the feed water, RO could have more minerals than that...

Lawrence, IN:
Ca 96
Mg 26
Na 21
Cl 2
SO4 39
HCO3 358

(This is separate from the metro Indianapolis supply, although Lawrence is basically surrounded by Indy.)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: gail on April 05, 2010, 02:48:33 AM
Dearborn, Michigan from March 2009 (I'll update when I can get the new one from the city).  This report is from the Water Works plant, Detroit city water:

Mg   8
Ca   30
Na   13
Cl    10
Sulfate   31
Total Hardness   106  (CaCO3)
Total Alkalinity   87  (as CaCO3)
TDS   130
pH   7.28

Gail
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: babalu87 on April 05, 2010, 02:59:42 PM
300 foot deep well

Sodium................................ 14
Potassium............................. <1
Calcium...................................14
Magnesium...............................3
Total Hardness CaCO3...............48
Nitrate......................................1.0
Sulfate.......................................4
Chloride....................................15
Carbonate..................................<1
Bicarbonate HCO3......................37
Total Alkalinity CaCO3................31
Flouride......................................0.03
Total Iron....................................<0.01
TDS ..........................................110
pH..............................................6.7
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: blatz on April 05, 2010, 03:30:57 PM
Here's my water (PBG/Jupiter, FL):

Ca 23
Mg 4
HCO3 37
Na 21
Cl 70
SO4 12
pH 7.9
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bobh on April 06, 2010, 03:04:56 AM
From a spring in the Little Belt Mountains of central MT.  Just got the Ward Labs report not too long ago and am still working on differnt treatments for different styles.  The water itself tastes great.

Location : DRY WOLF SPRING, MT
PH........................................8.1
Sodium, Na...........................2
Calcium, Ca..........................48
Magnesium, Mg.....................3
Total Hardness, CaCO3..........174
Sulfate, SO4..........................3
Chloride, Cl...........................1
Carbonate, CO3.....................6
Bicarbonate, HCO3................184
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3...........161
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: roy on April 08, 2010, 08:36:09 PM
Cary, IL - deep well in Fox River valley aquifer NW of Chicago (either that or an old limestone salt storage cavern)

pH 7.7
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 666
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.11
Cations / Anions, me/L 12.3 / 11.8
ppm
Sodium, Na 55
Potassium, K 4
Calcium, Ca 106
Magnesium, Mg 53
Total Hardness, CaCO3 486
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 27
Chloride, Cl 146
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 361
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 296
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dhacker on April 08, 2010, 11:02:13 PM
Jeff . . I think Roy just trumped you as far as "hard as nails" water!    :D
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: akr71 on April 09, 2010, 12:44:58 PM
Amherst, Nova Scotia, Canada - Town Water Supply.

Calcium 12
Magnesium 1
Sodium 8
Chloride 19
Sulphate 73
BiCarbonate 134
pH 8.4

I have to cut my water with RO and build a water profile for anything malty or with a low SRM.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dbarber on April 16, 2010, 01:12:47 PM
Orwigsburg, PA (40.6548, -76.1009) - city water

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 164
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.27
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.7 / 2.5

ppm
Sodium, Na 14
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 29
Magnesium, Mg 7
Total Hardness, CaCO3 102
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 8
Chloride, Cl 15
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 97
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 77
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Richard T on April 16, 2010, 07:01:38 PM
Tap Water Profile for Jacksonville, FL (Beach Blvd and Hodges) based on average from 9 JEA source well water samples taken on 11/2009. 
(Well pumps used were Ridenour #1-5, 7 and Southeast #1-3; information supplied by JEA Environmental Scientist, B.S. Albritton, albrbs@jea.com).

Alkalinity as Bicarbonate (ppm)          139.3
Alkalinity as Carbonate (ppm)               0.0
Alkalinity Total (ppm)                      139.3
Calcium (ppm)                                 70.3
Chloride (ppm)                                 21.7
Magnesium (ppm)                             31.0
pH                                                   7.0
Sodium (ppm)                                  15.8
Sulfate (ppm)                                 152.9
Total Hardness as CaCO3  303.0


Estimated Residual Alkalinity              63.55   (using RA = KH – GH/4)
Actual Residual Alkalinity                   46.0    (Using “Mash Residual Alkalinity Adjustment Worksheet Version 2.5 (US Units)
                                                                     by John Palmer, 2008.”)
Chloride to Sulfate Balance               Very Bitter

Richard T

P.S.  IMO, the tap water tastes horrible, and the water softener water tastes even worse.  Only dark and bitter brews can be done with this profile, and even then, they are very astringent and harsh (despite running the JEA tap water through the activated charcoal filter to remove the chloramines beforehand).  To brew good beers in Jacksonville, one must use water calculators (I use BeerSmith), significant percentages of distilled water (50-100%), and salt additions (Calcium Chloride, in particular) if a balanced or malty beer profile is desired.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: euge on April 16, 2010, 07:32:56 PM
I'm in a similar situation. I can't stand my softened water. The RO is wonderful. One would think if they need to brew 18 SRM beers then all they would need to do for a 9 SRM beer is dilute by 50% with distilled. Doesn't work that way apparently- more like 75% dilution.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: blatz on April 16, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
thank god I don't live in jacksonville anymore!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: lazydog79 on April 17, 2010, 01:30:58 PM
Cary, IL - deep well in Fox River valley aquifer NW of Chicago (either that or an old limestone salt storage cavern)

Dang, Roy!  I thought my water was hard!  Now I feel better.

Water for Rantoul, IL (Central IL, fed from the Mahomet Aquifer)

Calcium 32ppm
Magnesium 21ppm
Sodium 27ppm
Sulfate10ppm
Chloride 12ppm
Bicarbonate 110ppm

Not bad stout water, but anything lighter than an Amber, and it's store bought RO for me!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: weizen on April 18, 2010, 01:56:24 PM
Colonial Heights, VA tap water after a whole house carbon filter (typical type bought at big box store)

pH 6.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 114
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.19
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.7 / 1.5
ppm
Sodium, Na 20
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 10
Magnesium, Mg 3
Total Hardness, CaCO3 38
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 10
Chloride, Cl 11
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 33
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 27
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Bus: 308-234-2418 4007 Cherry Ave., P.O. Box 788
Reviewed By : Raymond Ward
Fax: 308-234-1940 Kearney, Nebraska 68848-0788
web site
www.wardlab.com
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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: a10t2 on April 18, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
Speaking of RO, has anyone had the water from those grocery store machines tested? I'm just wondering how good a job they do.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: micsager on April 19, 2010, 02:29:06 PM
How can I get my water tested?  How much should it cost?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 19, 2010, 02:46:26 PM
Speaking of RO, has anyone had the water from those grocery store machines tested? I'm just wondering how good a job they do.

If you go to the 3rd post in the thread, you will find that I posted store bought RO water and my tap water.  Everything was <1 for the store bought RO.  The feed water for the RO is the same as Gail's later in the thread.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on April 19, 2010, 02:49:06 PM
How can I get my water tested?  How much should it cost?

http://www.wardlab.com/

Click on "Fee Schedule" on the left and look at the pdf fee schedule document.  You're looking for test W-6 on page 8.  $16.95.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: micsager on April 20, 2010, 02:35:33 PM
How can I get my water tested?  How much should it cost?

http://www.wardlab.com/

Click on "Fee Schedule" on the left and look at the pdf fee schedule document.  You're looking for test W-6 on page 8.  $16.95.

Thanks Dude - I called the local federal lab, and they wanted almost $400. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: resto3 on April 22, 2010, 05:07:52 PM
I live in Milford, DE.  Here is our water report for 2009.

http://www.cityofmilford.com/milford/ccr2009Milford.pdf

If anyone can make heads or tails out of it, I'd appreciate it.  Water is still something I have to get down.  I use the water out of the tap and I never treat it.  I'm sure my beer would benefit if I paid a little more attention to this facit of brewing.  Work in progress.

Cheers,

Richie
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: xerotime on April 22, 2010, 05:31:33 PM
Shrewsbury MA

pH: 7.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est: 376
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm: 0.63
Cations / Anions, me/L: 5.8 / 5.7

Sodium, Na: 71
Potassium, K: 10
Calcium, Ca: 39
Magnesium, Mg: 6
Total Hardness, CaCO3: 123
Nitrate, NO3-N: 0.7 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S: 9
Chloride, Cl: 138
Carbonate, CO3: <1
Bicarbonate, HCO3: 65
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3: 54
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: euge on April 22, 2010, 05:33:08 PM
Richie that's a weak report for a brewer to follow LOL. Probably OK to brew mid-range beers. Here's two examples and excellent info: read on...

http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter15-1.html (http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter15-1.html)

http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter15-3.html (http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter15-3.html)

The Nomograph helps as well as the spreadsheet.

http://howtobrew.com/section3/Palmers_Mash_RA_ver2e.xls (http://howtobrew.com/section3/Palmers_Mash_RA_ver2e.xls)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: aluminumpark on April 22, 2010, 07:32:43 PM
Wenonah, NJ

pH 8.2
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 259
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.43
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.6 / 4.3
ppm
Sodium, Na 85
Potassium, K 6
Calcium, Ca 10
Magnesium, Mg 3
Total Hardness, CaCO3 38
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2
Chloride, Cl 47
Carbonate, CO3 6
Bicarbonate, HCO3 160
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 141

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: gail on April 26, 2010, 12:53:29 AM
For bottled water analyses, try www.bottledwaterweb.com.  Looking around a little, I saw a number of commonly-used bottled waters, including Poland Spring.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 26, 2010, 02:09:40 AM
Good site Gail.  I think I bookmarked this one off of the HBD a long time ago.

http://mineralwaters.org/

I used to drink Selters and Gerolsteiner when I lived in Germany.  Those have some minerals.  :o
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: gail on April 26, 2010, 12:25:53 PM
That's a lotta waters on that site, Jeff!  Curiously, they list ppm of Uranium and I got to wondering how much Uranium is OK...
I know a few good brewers who use bottled water (Poland Spring) and have done great beers with it.  It is especially easy on days like National Homebrew Day when you're lugging all your stuff to brew somewhere other than home.  Now that I'm learning more about brewing with straight RO, I'm less hesitant to use 100% RO in a brew and add some minerals back in.  RO is really cheap next to a "name" water.  However, I talked a little with Gordon Strong about this recently and he said his Kroger RO had hardness approaching 80 ppm but the water from his area is ridiculously hard so the RO is just perfectly manageable.  I always assumed that RO was almost mineral free but maybe Kroger's filters just don't get changed often enough?  That makes me curious about an analysis of other RO waters that are easily purchased at a local grocery.
Anyone have any info about this?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 26, 2010, 02:09:16 PM
Gail, the water in many parts of Germany is hard.  There is are several hot springs in Weisbaden that you can drink from.  One had its mineral content listed, and the Na and Cl levels were very high, both around 2000 ppm if I remember correctly.  The Strontium level was high enough that there was a warning to drink no more than 1 liter per day! 

The RO water I buy is from Culligan machines at Meijer's in Wixom.  These tested at <1 ppm for all the minerals.  Feedwater is Detroit City water.  RO takes out about 98% of the minerals, so 2-3 ppm would be reasonable for a reading.  Gordon must have hard source water and a machine at Kroger that needs to be serviced.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on April 26, 2010, 05:24:45 PM
Eau Claire WI

ALKALINITY,TOTAL   91   MG/L
HARDNESS, TOTAL (CAC03)   110   MG/L
PH   8.89   SU                   

CALCIUM   30   MG/L
MAGNESIUM   8.5   MG/L
SODIUM   8.5   MG/L
CHLORIDE   19   MG/L
SULFATE   5.8   MG/L
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: novafire on April 26, 2010, 08:46:03 PM
Verona, WI

pH                                 7.7

Sodium, Na                    13 ppm
Potassium, K                    1 ppm
Calcium, Ca                   78 ppm
Magnesium, Mg             46 ppm
Total Hardness, CaCO3  387 ppm
Nitrate, NO3-N               4.8 (SAFE) ppm
Sulfate, SO4-S                 6 ppm
Chloride, Cl                    36 ppm
Carbonate, CO3             <1 ppm
Bicarbonate, HCO3       358 ppm
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3  293 ppm
Fluoride, F                   1.31 ppm
Total Iron, Fe             < 0.01 ppm
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: gail on April 27, 2010, 01:06:32 AM
...the water in many parts of Germany is hard.  There is are several hot springs in Weisbaden that you can drink from.  One had its mineral content listed, and the Na and Cl levels were very high, both around 2000 ppm if I remember correctly.  The Strontium level was high enough that there was a warning to drink no more than 1 liter per day!  

The RO water I buy is from Culligan machines at Meijer's in Wixom.  These tested at <1 ppm for all the minerals.  Feedwater is Detroit City water.  RO takes out about 98% of the minerals, so 2-3 ppm would be reasonable for a reading.  Gordon must have hard source water and a machine at Kroger that needs to be serviced.
All the more reason to stick to the beer in Germany...yikes...
As far as the Kroger RO goes, I guess if one really wants to depend on Kroger water, they should do as you did with Meijer water and test it to see.  I was truly blown away by those stats but the source water was ridiculously hard...unbrewable really...and he's won a couple of ribbons so I guess that Kroger water is working for him (once he knew how much hardness was remaining, just as you have done).  Got to know and understand your water (maybe a lifelong process).
BTW, still working on obtaining a new mineral analysis from Detroit/Dearborn.

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 27, 2010, 11:17:27 AM
Gail,

"and he's won a couple of ribbons"

That is very true, in an understated way.

Jeff
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: daubon on April 27, 2010, 05:16:01 PM
How do I insert an image. I tried using the "Insert Image" button but it only inserts the text:"img/img" in square brackets ???
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dbeechum on April 27, 2010, 05:17:40 PM
You have to put a URL for the image in between those brackets. The pictures need to be hosted on a picture sharing site or your own site.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: daubon on April 27, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
On the first page of the water reports someone included what seems like a JPEG in the middle of the Text.  How's that done?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dbeechum on April 27, 2010, 08:53:17 PM
They stored the image on a remote server (in this case the url is http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BGa2L64KQdY/S7juNyunL1I/AAAAAAAAADY/0RW5ACRhctw/s640/water_report.png)

And then pasted that url between the img brackets.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: daubon on April 27, 2010, 09:01:34 PM
Ok then.  I guess I'll just transcribe it.

Thanks for your time.

Pepe
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: euge on April 27, 2010, 10:31:48 PM
Pepe if you have a gmail account then you can store images in the picasa web albums.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bbump22 on April 29, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
DOWNTOWN, SEATTLE, WA

pH, range 7.86 - 8.49
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) 43

Sodium, Na 1.86
Potassium, K .24
Calcium, Ca 21.8
Magnesium, Mg .80
Total Hardness, CaCO3 25
Nitrate, NO3-N .074
Sulfate, SO4-S Not Detected
Chloride, Cl 3
 Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 18.1
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit

Honestly, I am still not sure what this all means though - next thing to do is re-read palmer's section on pH and water.  I have pH strips at home, thats a good start!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: richardt on April 30, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
bbump22--
You're where I was about 3 months ago.  Don't give up--you're well on your way to understanding how to make 95% of your beer (the water)taste better.

Here's what I'd suggest:

For those who want to delve into it more, there are numerous forums (i.e., AHA) and articles online (John Palmer's "How to Brew" and deLange's Alkalinity articles are superb). It is a lot of chemistry and it does take a while to get the concepts, particularly when they're buried in a bunch of equations (I like that JP proves his recommendations, but it does make my eyes glass over). Greg Noonan's book (New Brewing Lager Beer, Brewers Publications, 1996) has 40 pages on water treatment alone.

Bottom line:
Figure out your water profile for where you live.
Figure out what water profile you need for the style of beer you're brewing. I used BeerSmith.
Get an inline activated charcoal water filter (the RV filters are about 20-25 bucks at Walmart in the car section)and hook that up to your hose--keep the flow rate low. Get a small plastic hose shut-off valve attachment at HD for a buck-fifty so you can control it better than the spigot by the house.
Get some water cooler jugs (empty ones are about 7 bucks at Walmart and they come with caps). The water supply places like Culligan can do the same. RO water is just 30 cents a gallon at Publix. The amount of distilled or RO water versus local water varies by water profile required by the recipe. Adjust accordingly.
Buy your brew salt additions.  Yes, get them all—the 5 major ones are chalk, gypsum, calcium chloride, baking soda, and Epson Salt. The last two you might be able to find at the store, but the first three, and any others, you'll need to go to your LHBS or online. They're not expensive, at all—usually less than 4 bucks for 4 ounces.
Buy a scale to measure very minute amounts of salts—usually less than 20 bucks online.
These are good brewing water chemistry websites to check out if you want to do the calculations and you don't have BeerSmith.
http://braukaiser.com/documents/Kaiser_ ... ulator.xls

http://howtobrew.com/section3/Palmers_Mash_RA_ver2d.xls

http://www.ezwatercalculator.com/

http://www.byo.com/images/stories/vpb_water_witch.xls

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bbump22 on April 30, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
Thanks Richard - Ill print this out and refer to it this weekend.  I was at my LHBS yesterday and picked up a few of those additives you mentioned...just to have on hand when I take the step to monitor pH.  I think I will give it a shot on my next batch.  I'll look at the tool on beersmith too. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: a10t2 on April 30, 2010, 06:20:58 PM
If you go to the 3rd post in the thread, you will find that I posted store bought RO water and my tap water.  Everything was <1 for the store bought RO.  The feed water for the RO is the same as Gail's later in the thread.

Thanks! I wasn't sure if that was machine RO or bottled.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: babalu87 on May 03, 2010, 01:19:45 PM
Pretty hard to just nail a water profile dead on isnt it?

In trying to make my water Dublin water I found that close enough is going to have to be good enough unless there are other ways (through use of pure minerals) of doing it.

My water

Sodium................................ 14
Potassium............................. <1
Calcium...................................14
Magnesium...............................3
Total Hardness CaCO3...............48
Nitrate......................................1.0
Sulfate.......................................4
Chloride....................................15
Carbonate..................................<1
Bicarbonate HCO3......................37
Total Alkalinity CaCO3................31
Flouride......................................0.03
Total Iron....................................<0.01
TDS ..........................................110
pH..............................................6.7
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bendbrew on May 09, 2010, 01:57:25 PM
Here in Bend, OR our water is:

pH  7.8
TDS 77
Sodium Na 8
Potassium K 2
Calcium Ca 6
Magnesium Mg 4
Total Hardness CaCO3 32
Nitrate NO3 0.1
Sulfate SO4 <1
Chloride Cl 2
Carbonate CO3 <1
Bicarbonate HCO3 51
Total Alkalinity CaCO3 42
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: rupert on May 09, 2010, 03:44:07 PM
The water for San Diego, CA in May 2009:

pH:                              7.8
Sodium (Na):                  99
Potassium (K):                 5
Calcium (Ca):                 70
Magnesium (Mg):            25
Sulfate (SO4):                66
Chloride (Cl):                  96
Bicarbonate (HCO3):       141     
Total Hardness (CaCO3): 279
Total Alkalinity (CaCO3):  115
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bo_gator on May 10, 2010, 09:42:57 PM
Waynesville, NC (28786) city water

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 39

ppm

Sodium, Na 8

Calcium, Ca 4

Magnesium, Mg < 1

Total Hardness, CaCO3 14

Sulfate, SO4-S 4

Chloride, Cl 2

Bicarbonate, HCO3 15

Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 12


Jealous yet ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on May 11, 2010, 04:59:20 PM
Minneapolis (Linden Hills area), MN (as of 8/24/09):

pH 7.5
Sodium, Na 13
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 18
Magnesium, Mg 4
Total Hardness, CaCO3 62
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.0 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 9
Chloride, Cl 28
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 27
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 22

Minneapolis (Northeast), MN (as of 8/12/08):

pH 8.9
Sodium, Na 11
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 20
Magnesium, Mg 3
Total Hardness, CaCO3 63
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 10
Chloride, Cl 25
Carbonate, CO3 4
Bicarbonate, HCO3 19
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 21

St. Louis Park, MN (as of 8/12/08):

pH 7.5
Sodium, Na 10
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 90
Magnesium, Mg 29
Total Hardness, CaCO3 346
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 7
Chloride, Cl 20
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 371
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 304
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on May 13, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
I have to do water analyses at work in Indianapolis. I, along with our LHBS, do NOT suggest brewing with the local water. If you do, keep in mind:

Indianapolis metro water supply changes AT LEAST seasonally (and I believe even monthly).

The conductivity ranges from 660 - 1200 umhos and can swing to those extremes within a month.

Also, the free chlorine content can be excessive - a carbon filter is a must. "Leaving it out overnight" won't work, and anti-chlorinating agents aren't reliable without knowing the exact Cl concentration.

Here's the averages/std deviations for the past 3 years (4 analyses):

Indianapolis, IN (Metro)   
   
              AVG   Std. Dev
pH                         7   0.3
Cond.                        813   57
Alk.                       223   7      
SO4                       81   7      
Chloride        75   5      
Total Hardness   310   10      
Ca Hardness   198   12      
Mg Hardness   89   35      
Cu, ppm                < 0.05   *      
Iron, ppm                < 0.05   *      
Na, ppm               45   6      
K, ppm             5.3   *      
Nitrate as NO3, ppm   12.3   *      
Silica, Total, ppm   7.4   2.3      
Fluoride, ppm   0.7   *      
Total Organic, ppm   2.7   *      
Turbidity,           < 0.1         *

*denotes only 1 analysis performed (Jan 2009)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dean on May 17, 2010, 12:17:28 PM
Well water, Hersey Michigan.

pH 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 258
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.43
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.3 / 4.1
ppm
Sodium, Na 6
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 50
Magnesium, Mg 18
Total Hardness, CaCO3 200
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 5
Chloride, Cl 6
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 221
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 181
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narvin on May 18, 2010, 04:48:24 PM
Baltimore City water, tested by Ward Labs.  I ran this through an activated carbon filter before sending it off.

pH    7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est    203
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm    0.34
Cations / Anions, me/L    3.0 / 2.8
ppm
Sodium, Na    21
Potassium, K    2
Calcium, Ca    28
Magnesium, Mg    8
Total Hardness, CaCO3    103
Nitrate, NO3-N    2.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S    4
Chloride, Cl    48
Carbonate, CO3    < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3    59
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3    49
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: BarleynYeast on May 31, 2010, 05:59:13 PM
This is from the "LAS VEGAS VALLEY WATER DISTRICT 2010 WATER QUALITY SUMMARY"

pH 7.7
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 627
Sodium, 92 ppm
Potassium,  5.4 ppm
Calcium,  78 ppm
Magnesium, 26 ppm
Nitrate, (As Nitrogen)< 0.7 (SAFE)
Sulfate, 245
Chloride,  95
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 134

Makes brewing interesting!
Matt
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: airlocksniffer on June 02, 2010, 08:54:27 PM
Helena, MT.  The city water draws from two sources-the Missouri River and a mountain source.  I believe I fall in the latter:

ph 7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 58
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.10
Cation/Anions, me/L 1.1/0.9

Sodium, Na 6 ppm
Potassium, K 2 ppm
Calcium, Ca 11 ppm
Magnesium, Mg 2 ppm
Total Hardness, CaCO3 36 ppm
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 6 ppm
Chloride, Cl 3 ppm
Carbonate, CO3 <1 ppm
Bicarbonate, HCO3 28 ppm
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 23 ppm
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mnstorm99 on June 03, 2010, 11:34:17 AM
Minneapolis (Northeast), MN (as of 8/12/08):

pH 8.9
Sodium, Na 11
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 20
Magnesium, Mg 3
Total Hardness, CaCO3 63
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 10
Chloride, Cl 25
Carbonate, CO3 4
Bicarbonate, HCO3 19
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 21


Hey, how did you get this info?  Or, for updated info, who do I call?  I am just starting to think about playing with my water chemistry, but with my carbon filter my water (and beer) is greatly improved already.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: beerocd on June 03, 2010, 02:30:27 PM
1)You can call your local water department to see if they will share the info with you.
But their sample may not exactly be what is arriving at your house.

2)Take a sample from your faucet, and send it off to Ward Labs. ~$26 for a complete test.

I bypassed the filter, ran the water for 10 minutes, and filled the sample bottle.
I wanted to know what's coming in from the street.

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on June 03, 2010, 02:52:03 PM
~$26 for a complete test.


Or $16.50 for the regular test which is really all you need unless you're interested in the iron and fluoride numbers.  I did the complete test the first time around because I was curious but I'll just be doing the $16 test if I want it retested in the future.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: greg_rosace on June 09, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
Tampa FL/ Hillsborough County, June 2010

pH 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 463
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.77
Cations / Anions, me/L 8.1 / 8.3
ppm
Sodium, Na 44
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 102
Magnesium, Mg 12
Total Hardness, CaCO3 305
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.6 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 76
Chloride, Cl 40
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 144
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 118
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: enso on June 26, 2010, 04:21:29 PM
Can someone explain how mg/L tranlsates to ppm's?  Or what I can do with the numbers as they stand in mg/L?  I have an analysis for a spring from a house we almost bought ( :'() and just wanted to play around with what it all means.  Also, there is a roadside spring just down the road so...  perhaps they have similar makeups.  I know, not likely.  Just always been curious to start thinking about water makeup.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 26, 2010, 04:30:39 PM
They are the same.

1 miligram * 1000 = 1 gram.  There are 1000 grams of water per liter.  So that is 1 part per million, or ppm.




Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: richardt on June 26, 2010, 07:34:39 PM
Enso,

In addition to ppm, water reports typically also list their breakdown in other units:
mg/L (milligrams per Liter), or
μg/L (micrograms per Liter). 

mg/L is the same thing as ppm (parts per million), as already explained above.
If you're given a number in μg/L, you need to first divide it by 1000 to get mg/L (or ppm).

30 ppm = 30 mg/L = 30,000 μg/L
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: brushvalleybrewer on July 07, 2010, 06:54:44 PM
From my well, just west of Centre Hall, Pennsylvania

pH 7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 172
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.29
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.9 / 2.6

Sodium, Na 1 ppm
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 51
Magnesium, Mg 3
Total Hardness, CaCO3 140
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 3
Chloride, Cl 3
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 144
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 118

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: andyi on July 17, 2010, 04:31:12 PM

Germantown, MD - Montgomery County
Ward Labs 08/06/2009


pH 8.0
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 306
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.51
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.5 / 4.4
ppm
Sodium, Na 20
Potassium, K 4
Calcium, Ca 54
Magnesium, Mg 10
Total Hardness, CaCO3 177
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 22
Chloride, Cl 37
Carbonate, CO3 6
Bicarbonate, HCO3 106
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 97
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: uthristy on July 21, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
Near Trenton,Fla. 90ft deep well.


pH 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 143
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.24
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.4 / 2.3
ppm
Sodium, Na 3
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 43
Magnesium, Mg 2
Total Hardness, CaCO3 116
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 1
Chloride, Cl 2
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 132
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 109

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on August 07, 2010, 04:03:16 AM
I had mine tested by Ward Labs last year.  Redmond WA, Union Hill Water Association.  No chlorine at all, so I don't even filter my brewing water.  No fluoride either, so I have to give my kids fluoride every day, but that's a different story . . .

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 97
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.16
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.7 / 1.8
ppm
Sodium, Na 8
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 15
Magnesium, Mg 7
Total Hardness, CaCO3 67
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 5
Chloride, Cl 3
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 83
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 68
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 23, 2010, 04:26:52 PM
AJ deLange has a post on the Brewing Network forum about something he just found out about the Ward Labs report (if you don't know who he is, let me just say that when he writes about water chemistry I read it and hope I understand what he has to say).   If you look at the reports, SO4 is listed as SO4-S, which means the number reported is the sulfur.  AJ says to multiply by 3 to get the Sulfate as ppm.

You can read it here.
http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21815
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on August 23, 2010, 06:01:47 PM
Wow, great info Jeff!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 23, 2010, 06:53:09 PM
It takes me from 16 S to 48 ppm SO4.  Not a huge number since mine was low, but enough to change any calculation I would do for SO4.  If my SO4-S was 75, then it would be 225 ppm SO4, and I would not want to add much CaSO4.

Someone should thank AJ!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on August 23, 2010, 07:27:52 PM
Not a huge difference for me since mine goes from 5 to 15, but still, that's damn good to know.

Thanks AJ, and thanks Jeff for pointing us to it.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Kit B on August 23, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
Maple Grove, MN
Evidently, we have some of the hardest water on earth.

Metals
Total Hardness as CaCO3 357 mg/l
Calcium as CaCO3 208 mg/l
Magnesium as CaCO3 149 mg/l
Sodium as CaCO3 42.1 mg/l

Wet Chemistry
pH 7.2
Turbidity 0.19
Alkalinity, Total as CaCO3 297 mg/l
Alkalinity, Bicarbonate 297 mg/l
Chloride as CaCO3 80.5
Sulfate as CaCO3 46.2

Calculated
pH of Saturation 7.37
Langelier Index @ 8.8C -0.17
Free CO2 45 mg/l
Total Hardeness as CaCO3 20.9 gpg
Non-Carbonate Hardness as CaCO3 59.8 mg/l

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Steve on September 04, 2010, 04:50:25 PM
Worcester, MA (Not the home of the sauce)

pH 5.8
Residual Alkalinity 2.4
Calcium, Ca++ 9
Magnesium, Mg++ 0
Sodium, Na+ 10
Bicarbonate, HCO3 10
Sulfate, SO4- - 10
Chloride, Cl- 24
HDNS  21
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on September 08, 2010, 12:25:45 AM
Minneapolis (Northeast), MN (as of 8/12/08):

pH 8.9
Sodium, Na 11
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 20
Magnesium, Mg 3
Total Hardness, CaCO3 63
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 10
Chloride, Cl 25
Carbonate, CO3 4
Bicarbonate, HCO3 19
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 21


Hey, how did you get this info?  Or, for updated info, who do I call?  I am just starting to think about playing with my water chemistry, but with my carbon filter my water (and beer) is greatly improved already.

Sorry, I must have missed this post!  I had Ward Labs do analyses of water samples for all of the profiles I posted.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narvin on September 08, 2010, 12:29:48 AM
AJ deLange has a post on the Brewing Network forum about something he just found out about the Ward Labs report (if you don't know who he is, let me just say that when he writes about water chemistry I read it and hope I understand what he has to say).   If you look at the reports, SO4 is listed as SO4-S, which means the number reported is the sulfur.  AJ says to multiply by 3 to get the Sulfate as ppm.

You can read it here.
http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21815


This makes sense... Sulfate of 4 seemed low!  Thanks.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: blueskies on September 08, 2010, 09:02:48 PM
Hey Denny - Thanks for posting your water analysis.  Mine is almost identical, from my home well in western Washington, a few points more magnesium and slightly less chloride.  Do you commonly do water additions or adjust pH, or can you do OK without the bother?  I am about to do my first AG, and was going to try without additions the first time.  You might save me a bad first batch if I really have to do some fiddling.  Thanks for your time.

BTW - I grew up in your neck of the woods - Cottage Grove.  I have family on Cook Road and Sheffler Road, which are even closer to you.  I followed work north, but visit the old stomping grounds often.

Bruce

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on September 09, 2010, 05:03:55 PM
Hey Denny - Thanks for posting your water analysis.  Mine is almost identical, from my home well in western Washington, a few points more magnesium and slightly less chloride.  Do you commonly do water additions or adjust pH, or can you do OK without the bother?  I am about to do my first AG, and was going to try without additions the first time.  You might save me a bad first batch if I really have to do some fiddling.  Thanks for your time.

BTW - I grew up in your neck of the woods - Cottage Grove.  I have family on Cook Road and Sheffler Road, which are even closer to you.  I followed work north, but visit the old stomping grounds often.

Bruce



Hey Bruce,

Let me know if you;re back in the area.  I'm just a couple miles from both Cook and Sheffler.

I brewed for many years and batches doing no more water treatment than a tsp. of gypsum in the boil for IPAs and a tsp. of CaCO3 in the mash for dark beers.  Won enough awards that I figure that must have been pretty close.  But in the last year I started being concerned about the clarity of very light beers, and wondered if I could get better balance by doing some adjustment for other styles.  I've been doing more treatment and watching my pH more.  I think it's bveen improving my beers, but I'm still experimenting and evaluating.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hike20 on September 15, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
Near Stone City in NE Iowa. Private well. Report from Ward Labs:

pH: 7.5
TDS: 413
EC: 0.69
Cations/Anions: 8.0/7.5

All numbers are ppm
Sodium, Na: 6
Potassium, K: <1
Calcium, Ca: 90
Magnesium, Mg: 39
Total Harness CaCO3: 388
Nitrate, NO3-N: 6.9 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S: 13 (so 39 ppm SO4)
Chloride, Cl: 13
Carbonate, CO3: <1
Bicarbonate, HCO3: 355
Total Alkalinity CaCO3: 291

Randy
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: enso on September 23, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
I just recieved my results from Ward labs.  First time I have ever known anything about the water I use.  Though I do not know what it means...  yet.

West Barnet, Vermont.  U.S.A. from a roadside spring off of Harvey's lake.

pH 8.2
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 157
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.26
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.5 / 2.7

Sodium, Na 1
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 45
Magnesium, Mg 2
Total Hardness, CaCO3 121
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 6  (18 ppm)
Chloride, Cl 1
Carbonate, CO3 9
Bicarbonate, HCO3 120
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 112
Fluoride, F 0.01
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit

I realize it will probably vary greatly throughout the year.  I already noticed one change since I have been using it just a month ago.  I mixed up some starsan with it when we moved in.  No problem.  Couple of weeks back I mixed some and it immediately clouded up!  That is generally a sign of hard water correct?  This report was from a sample I sent in last Friday.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: phillamb168 on October 18, 2010, 04:37:49 PM
My tap water is GOD AWFUL and I still haven't gotten an official report back, so here's what I've been using since I moved here (Chamarande, France) - what do you think?

Eau de source, La Montille, 63360 Saint-Beauzire, Auvergne, France:
(mg/l except where otherwise noted)

Cations:
----------
Calcium: 4.0
Magnesium: 1.0
Sodium: 3.0
Potassium: 0.8

Anions:
---------
Chlorides: 0.8
Nitrates: 2.1
Nitrites: 0.05
Sulfates: 0.4
Bicarbonates: 23.4

Silica: 19.12
ph: 6.7
Dry residue at 180 deg C: 43.58 mg/l
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 18, 2010, 07:57:24 PM
That looks like water I would like coming out of my faucet, except that the Nitrates look higher than what I am used to seeing.  If you look at my post on the first page of this thread, you will see what hard water with high alkalinity looks like.

Maybe some of the water experts who post here can give more wisdom.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: 1vertical on October 20, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
Maybe some of the water experts who post here can give more wisdom.

Ok here is my water report and I could use some pointers to help me make good lagers and or ipa with
this stuff ....like how to modify it to get the results I want.....

Done by WAMCO local water/mineral lab

Water is from a private domestic shallow surface well....,.<20' deep
Central Wyoming Platte River alluvium


reported in milligrams per liter unless other wise depicted

conductivity , umhos/cm @ 25C    1089

pH, Units                                      7.42
Solids, Total Dissolved                           684

Sodium, (Na)                                           175
Potassium, (K)                                           2
Calcium,  (Ca)                                          101
Magnesium, (M)                                       20


Sulfate, (SO4)                                         335
Chloride, (Cl)                                            48
Carbonate, (CO3)                                       0

Bicarbonate (HCO3)                                  337
Nitrate (NO3)                                           1.3
Total Alkalinity (as CaCO3)                     277
Total Hardness  (as CaCO3)                      334
Total Hardness as grains per gallon             20

Sodium Absorption Ration  (SAR)                4.2


ZERO coliform Bacteria!


Should I just go get some RO from the machine at Albertson's and add a gallon of mine to make lagers?
A little aciduated malt perhaps??
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on October 20, 2010, 08:21:23 PM
I would make IPA with that water as is, and use distilled/DI water with a little of it added to make a Czech pils.  German pilsners generally have higher mineral content than Plzen, so depending on the kind you're going for your water could be fine - it has some similarities to Dortmund water.

How much did it cost to get it tested?  I tried some of my local places but they all wanted way more than Ward Labs.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: 1vertical on October 21, 2010, 04:32:17 AM
Thanks Tom. The proprietor is a personal friend of mine...and I got it for half
normal cost....not for public disclosure.... but I believe that is more than ward labs
charges,just that I did not have to pay for shipment so it was prolly comparable.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: revolutionisbrewing on November 05, 2010, 04:09:03 AM
My water is from Carvin's Cove Reservoir in Roanoke, VA...

Sulfate  12.3 mg/L
Calcium hardness as CaCO3   37.2 mg/L
Calcium 14.9 mg/L (estimated)
Total Alkalinity  41.8 mg/L
Chloride  4.39 mg/L
Total Hardness  54.1 mg/L
Magnesium Hardness  16.9 mg/L (estimated)
Magnesium 4.06 mg/L (estimated)

For those that care, this is the note I received explaining the drop in sulfates and calcium by about half since last year:

These parameters are checked annually.  The Cove has changed it's treatment
process which may be the reason for the Sulfate fluctuation.    We will be
sampling again this month (June) to compare last year's results and this will give
me a better indication.  The previous drought may affect the water
hardness.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: gimmeales on November 05, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
Very soft clean water for me living N. of Seattle:

Calcium: 26.7
Magnesium = 0.37
Alkalinity as CaCO3: 23
Sodium: 0.95
Chloride: 2.6
Sulfate: 1.2

Has wreaked havoc on the efficiency of my dark beers, will be making some adjustments next time 'round.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: uisgue on November 08, 2010, 02:48:05 PM
This is from my Ward Labs report for Brookings, OR (On the Oregon Coast at the CA border)

pH    7.4
Total Dissolved Solids Est     76
Cations/Anions, me/L     1.1/ 0.9

Na       11
K        <1
Ca        9
Mg        2
Total Hardness, CaCO3    31
NO3-N   0.3(Safe)
SO4-S   1
Cl         4
CO3    <1
HCO3   40
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3     33
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on November 08, 2010, 04:25:09 PM
That's some pretty nice water, Doug.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on November 16, 2010, 03:54:34 AM
Just got a new report:

pH 7.8
Na 27
K    4
Ca 25
Mg  8
Total Hardness, CaCO3  96
SO4-S 8
Cl 37
Bicarbonate, HCO3 77
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3  63

There are definitely some variations from the report I got a year ago.  This indicates softer water with less calcium, way less sulfates and more chloride than the previous report.  I ordered a bunch of test supplies from Ward this time around and I'm going to submit one sample a quarter and track the changes to my water. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: beersk on December 01, 2010, 07:06:29 PM
How's this?  It's Madison, Wisconsin's report.  I'm planning to move there next summer.

Regulated Inorganics

Fluoride mg/L     1.2
Nitrate mg/L       3.9
Alkalinity mg/L   305
Calcium mg/L     70
Chloride mg/L     12
Copper μg/L        43
Hardness mg/L    350
Iron mg/L             0.03
Magnesium mg/L  41

pH (lab) s.u.  7.8
Sodium mg/L  6.6


I'm not sure how to read this...I'm assuming it's somewhat hard water, but with a little Camden, I'm sure it will be good for brewing most ales, like my water here in Iowa City.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Tim McManus on December 02, 2010, 12:31:21 AM
Haskell, NJ (Wanaque Boro)

Code: [Select]

pH....................................................................7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est .....................................245
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm ....................................0.41
Cations / Anions, me/L .........................................4.0 / 3.8

                                                                      ppm
Sodium, Na ............................................................21
Potassium, K ...........................................................1
Calcium, Ca ...........................................................44
Magnesium, Mg .........................................................11
Total Hardness,CaCO3 ................................................ 156
Nitrate, NO3-N ............................................... 0.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S .........................................................7
Chloride, Cl ..........................................................41
Carbonate, CO3 ......................................................  <1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 ....................................................132
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 ..............................................108

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: James Lorden on December 02, 2010, 01:28:15 AM
Forest Hill, MD - near Jarretsville (well)

Ward Labs (Sulfate as Sulfer conversion applied)

Calcium        Magnesium         Alkalinity as CaCO3        Sodium                Chloride         Sulfate                  Water pH

   19               7                              33                        9                    18                 18                        6.3
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: James Lorden on December 07, 2010, 07:50:30 PM
AJ deLange has a post on the Brewing Network forum about something he just found out about the Ward Labs report (if you don't know who he is, let me just say that when he writes about water chemistry I read it and hope I understand what he has to say).   If you look at the reports, SO4 is listed as SO4-S, which means the number reported is the sulfur.  AJ says to multiply by 3 to get the Sulfate as ppm.


Can someone explain why the multiplyer is three?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: johnf on December 07, 2010, 08:00:34 PM
AJ deLange has a post on the Brewing Network forum about something he just found out about the Ward Labs report (if you don't know who he is, let me just say that when he writes about water chemistry I read it and hope I understand what he has to say).   If you look at the reports, SO4 is listed as SO4-S, which means the number reported is the sulfur.  AJ says to multiply by 3 to get the Sulfate as ppm.


Can someone explain why the multiplyer is three?

ppm SO4-S is ppm of sulfate in terms of the sulfur component of the sulfate only. The molecular mass of sulfur is about 1/3 that of sulfate so to get to SO4 as sulfate you multiply by 3. The latter is what is discussed in brewing texts, assumed in spreadsheets, etc.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: James Lorden on December 07, 2010, 11:20:02 PM
So then parts per million is a measure of weight and not actual particles?  Don't know why this confuses me - it just doesn't seem logical.  I'm thinking sulfate is 1 sulfer surrounded by 4 oxygen so if I have so if I have 5 sulfate particles then I have 5 sulfers and 20 oxygens.

In that case assuming all sulfer is part of sulfate the parts per million of sulfer is the same.... I guess it doesn't work like that though?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopbumpingbrewer on December 10, 2010, 10:34:07 PM
Sonoma California 95476

pH 8.5

All in ppm
Na = 17
K = <1
Ca = 23
Mg = 14
CaCO3  =116
NO3  = 0.4
SO4 = 6
Cl = 7
CO3 = 6
HCO3 = 142

Total Alkalinity as CaCO3 = 126

Fairly balanced.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on December 11, 2010, 08:24:34 AM
So then parts per million is a measure of weight and not actual particles?  Don't know why this confuses me - it just doesn't seem logical.  I'm thinking sulfate is 1 sulfer surrounded by 4 oxygen so if I have so if I have 5 sulfate particles then I have 5 sulfers and 20 oxygens.

In that case assuming all sulfer is part of sulfate the parts per million of sulfer is the same.... I guess it doesn't work like that though?
Correct, it is typically parts of mass.  If it is 20 ppm, then it is 20 g per 1000 kg, or 20 mg per kg, or 20 ug per g, etc.  And since 1 liter of water weighs 1 kg (ish) it can sometimes be referred to as weight/volume.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: micsager on December 13, 2010, 04:19:56 PM
OK, here's my report:

pH ..................................................................6.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est .......................249
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm ......................0.41
Cations / Anions, me/L .....................................4.1 / 4.0

Sodium, Na ......................................................11
Potassium, K ....................................................< 1
Calcium, Ca .....................................................42
Magnesium, Mg ................................................18
Total Hardness, CaCO3 .....................................180
Nitrate, NO3-N ..................................................7.1 (UNSAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S ...................................................5
Chloride, Cl .......................................................14
Carbonate, CO3 .................................................< 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 .............................................157
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 .......................................129

I knew my nitrates would be high, and glad to see the hardness level.  Anyone got any words of wisdom?  I generally brew IPA's, Ambers, and Pales.  

Oh, this is just outside Sequim, Washington, 80 foot well at 47.872  122.909   (and through a sediment filter)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on December 13, 2010, 10:06:37 PM
As micsager expected, the water is fairly hard and alkaline.  The RA comes out at about 90 which should be good for Amber to Brown beers with little adjustment.  He would probably need to cut the alkalinity with minor acid additions to brew a crisp pale colored beer.   I calculate that he would need about 0.4 to 0.5 mL of 88% lactic acid per gallon of mash water for the pale beers.  He still can use a little more alkalinity to brew black beers, but might be able to get by. 

The sparge water will need about 0.6 mL of 88% lactic acid per gallon of sparge water to bring the pH down under 6.0. 

I notice that Ward Labs calls the 7.1 Nitrate concentration "safe".  The maximum level that EPA allows for nitrate is 10 mg/L, but that is for nitrate reported "as nitrate" and Ward reports "as nitrogen".  That means that the actual nitrate level for this water is about 31 mg/L, which is getting up there.  This water is OK for adults to drink, but not newborns.  Just be aware of that. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: micsager on December 13, 2010, 10:51:18 PM
As micsager expected, the water is fairly hard and alkaline.  The RA comes out at about 90 which should be good for Amber to Brown beers with little adjustment.  He would probably need to cut the alkalinity with minor acid additions to brew a crisp pale colored beer.   I calculate that he would need about 0.4 to 0.5 mL of 88% lactic acid per gallon of mash water for the pale beers.  He still can use a little more alkalinity to brew black beers, but might be able to get by. 

The sparge water will need about 0.6 mL of 88% lactic acid per gallon of sparge water to bring the pH down under 6.0. 

I notice that Ward Labs calls the 7.1 Nitrate concentration "safe".  The maximum level that EPA allows for nitrate is 10 mg/L, but that is for nitrate reported "as nitrate" and Ward reports "as nitrogen".  That means that the actual nitrate level for this water is about 31 mg/L, which is getting up there.  This water is OK for adults to drink, but not newborns.  Just be aware of that. 
Thanks for catching that.  I just retyped, did not cut and paste.  The Wardlabs report does say unsafe for the nitrates.  No newborns for the last 16 years, and never at this house. 

Also, thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on December 13, 2010, 11:42:21 PM
Thanks for catching that.  I just retyped, did not cut and paste.  The Wardlabs report does say unsafe for the nitrates.  No newborns for the last 16 years, and never at this house. 
Now I know why your neighbor got that new water system installed.  I think I'd be tempted to pipe some water over from your neighbors for brew day Mic, and leave the tap water for the dishes, toilet, and shower.  On the other hand, your hops and other plants should be happy getting that water. :)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: micsager on December 14, 2010, 03:48:56 PM
Thanks for catching that.  I just retyped, did not cut and paste.  The Wardlabs report does say unsafe for the nitrates.  No newborns for the last 16 years, and never at this house. 
Now I know why your neighbor got that new water system installed.  I think I'd be tempted to pipe some water over from your neighbors for brew day Mic, and leave the tap water for the dishes, toilet, and shower.  On the other hand, your hops and other plants should be happy getting that water. :)

Is it just the nitrates, or is there something else?  (I guess you'll avoid my beers when judging the Cascade Brewers Cup, huh?  LOL)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on December 14, 2010, 05:28:54 PM
It's just the nitrates.  Even if it is below the cutoff level for adults, it's still pretty high.  I'd be worried about seasonal variations causing a spike.  I would imagine with all of the rain we've been having the level is quite a bit diluted now, so it could be higher at other times of the year.  I don't really know how that stuff works, and besides you're in the rain shadow, aren't you?

Anyway, call me paranoid but I'd want to get the water tested again at different times of year and see if it changes.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jaybeerman on December 15, 2010, 07:02:03 AM
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Should I be concerned with Lithium content?  How much campden would you use? Should I dilute with distilled?  Mmm sodium, sulfate, bicarbonate  ;D ...but it did make for a nice soak today.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jaybeerman on January 04, 2011, 07:39:54 AM
Fruita (so far west it's almost Utah) Colorado

ph 7.5
Na 12 mg/l
Ca 13 mg/l
Mg 6 mg/l
K   1 mg/l
Cl  9 mg/l
SO4 16 mg/l
TA CaCO3 56 mg/l
Hardness CaCO3 57 mg/l
BiCarb HCO3 68 mg/l

not too shabby
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jibblett on January 16, 2011, 10:42:19 PM
Wayland, Massachusetts.  Town well water:

pH   8.2
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS)  415
Est Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm   0.69
Cations / Anions, me/L

Sodium, Na   60
Potassium, K   40
Calcium, Ca   35
Magnesium, Mg   8
Total Hardness, CaCO3   121
Nitrate, NO3-N   3.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S   6
Chloride, Cl   126
Carbonate, CO3   3
Bicarbonate, HCO3   101
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3   88

Chloride seems awfully high, eh?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: glastctbrew on January 17, 2011, 09:44:24 PM
My well in Glastonbury CT

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 218
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.36
Cations / Anions, me/L 3.6 / 3.6ppm

Sodium, Na 24
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 41
Magnesium, Mg 5
Total Hardness, CaCO3 123
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.5 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 5
Chloride, Cl 42
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 120
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 98

A little hard but very workable
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: matt.critchlow on January 20, 2011, 03:38:41 AM
My water numbers are below. Trying to figure out how to make these numbers work for darker beers, it looks like IPA's will be ok though... any recommendations or advice would be most welcome :)

my water report: http://olivenhain.com/files/docs/publications/WEB_OMWD_CCR2009.pdf

Starting Water (ppm):         
Ca:   61      
Mg:   24      
Na:   95      
Cl:   110      
SO4:   200      
CaCO3:   120
PH: 8.8

Cheers,

Matt
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: linenoiz on January 24, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
Just got my water tested. Now to figure out what any of this means (aka, The Fun Part).

West Valley City, UT:

pH : 7.9
Na: 16
Ca: 52
Mg: 13
Cl: 25
SO4-S: 14
HCO3: 151
TA, CaCO3: 124
TH, CaCO3: 184

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: pluscount on January 28, 2011, 03:46:03 AM
I'm in a small town 120 mi N of  Las Vegas, NV. Water from local water district.  Analysis done by Ward Labs.

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 464
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.77
Cations / Anions, me/L 8.1 / 7.5ppm
Sodium, Na 121
Potassium, K 6
Calcium, Ca 39
Magnesium, Mg 9
Total Hardness, CaCO3 135
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 45
Chloride, Cl 57
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 181
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 149
Fluoride, F 1.68
Total Iron, Fe 0.04
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: speed on February 05, 2011, 12:15:31 AM
here's mine , i live in a small town in the sandhills of nebraska. i think we have the softest water you can get. ward labs did the testing

Na 5
K 5
Ca 24
 Mg 2
CaCo3 68
NO3-N 3.6
SO4-S 4
CL 2
CO3 <1
HCO3 74
CaCO3 60
 i can make reeally good lagers with this water
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: beveragebob on February 05, 2011, 04:54:24 PM
I was wondering why my Pale Ales and IPA's were tasting soapy so, I sent a sample off to Ward Labs and sure nuff....way low in sulfate for PA's and IPA's. Just received 5#'s of Gypsum from Northern Brewer. Great water for Porters and stouts as is. It's really pretty close to London.:

pH 7.7
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 267
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.44
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.6 / 4.4
ppm
Sodium, Na 50
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 27
Magnesium, Mg 12
Total Hardness, CaCO3 118
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 26
Chloride, Cl 15
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 138
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 113
Fluoride, F 0.75
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on February 05, 2011, 05:44:03 PM
Keep in mind that Martin pointed out that you need to multiply your sulfate number x3 in a Ward report.

5#?????  You going back into production again?  ;)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: beveragebob on February 05, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
Yeah Martin pointed that out to me. I caught it at the same time using EZ Water Calc.

"You going back into production again?"

Yeah my schedule for the next month, I have weds, thurs and fri off so, It's Brew Time!

 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Kirk on February 09, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
Sparks, NV

pH 8.0
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 115
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.19
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.6 / 1.5
ppm
Sodium, Na 15
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 12
Magnesium, Mg 4
Total Hardness, CaCO3 47
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2
Chloride, Cl 12
Carbonate, CO3 3
Bicarbonate, HCO3 58
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 53
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dcbc on March 09, 2011, 01:45:06 AM
I get my water from two lakes. It has varied a bit over the years, but has always made for great brewing water.  

From my 01-31-2011 report

Tyler TX

pH 7.3
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 116
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.19
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.5 / 1.6
ppm
Sodium, Na 9
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 16
Magnesium, Mg 3
Total Hardness, CaCO3 53
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 8 (SO4 = 24)
Chloride, Cl 17
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 34
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 28
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bdgrfrisch on March 13, 2011, 04:25:14 PM
Mount Horeb, WI
These are old DNR numbers the city water guy was able to get me.

Calcium - 73 mg/l is the average from the Wells
Magnesium - 41 mg/l is the average from the Wells
Sodium - 11 mg/l
Chloride - 26 mg/l
Sulfate - 46 mg/l
Bicabonate Hardness 399 ppm
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Mark G on March 25, 2011, 02:08:16 PM
Huntley, IL - municipal water, drawn from several wells in the area.

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 316
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.53
Cations / Anions, me/L 6.3 / 6.3
ppm
Sodium, Na 112
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 15
Magnesium, Mg 7
Total Hardness, CaCO3 67
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2
Chloride, Cl 6
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 366
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 300
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: gandelf on March 30, 2011, 12:02:17 AM
5 miles west of Gresham Wisconsin.
4" x 125' well with 42' sand, then 83' of red granite.

pH 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 261
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.44
Cations / Anions, me/L 5.2 / 5.4
               ppm
Sodium, Na 7
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 53
Magnesium, Mg 27
Total Hardness, CaCO3 245
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 4
Chloride, Cl <5
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 304
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 250
Fluoride, F 1.25
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01  ? Toilet tank turned red over years
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on March 30, 2011, 12:44:30 AM
SW Minneapolis (Kingfield), 3/29/2011

pH 8.1
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 180
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.30
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.7 / 2.7

Sodium, Na 16
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 28
Magnesium, Mg 6
Total Hardness, CaCO3 95
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 9
Chloride, Cl 33
Carbonate, CO3 3
Bicarbonate, HCO3 65
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 58
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on March 30, 2011, 01:08:08 AM
Just got a new report:

Sterling, VA - November 2010

pH 7.8
Na 27
K    4
Ca 25
Mg  8
Total Hardness, CaCO3  96
SO4-S 8
Cl 37
Bicarbonate, HCO3 77
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3  63

There are definitely some variations from the report I got a year ago.  This indicates softer water with less calcium, way less sulfates and more chloride than the previous report.  I ordered a bunch of test supplies from Ward this time around and I'm going to submit one sample a quarter and track the changes to my water. 

Sterling, VA - March 2011

pH 7.5
Na 26
K  2
Ca 32
Mg 8
Total Hardness, CaCO3 113
SO4-S 14
Cl 45
Bicarbonate, HCO3 71
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3  58
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: beersk on April 04, 2011, 08:42:59 PM
This is Iowa City's water report.  Any thoughts on this water and what style of beer it's best for?

Water Analysis
      I.C. Tap Water
pH     8.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS)    Est. 17    Est. 170
Electrical Conductivity (mmho/cm) 0.28
Cations/Anions (me/L)       2.5
Cations/Anions (ppm)       2.4
Sodium (SO4-S)               12
Potassium (K)                    3
Calcium (Ca)                  18
Magnesium (Mg)              12
Total Harness (CaCO3)     95
Nitrate (NO3-N)                  5.3
Sulfate (SO4-S)               12
Chloride (Cl)                  23
Carbonate (CO3)               3
Bicarbonate (HCO3)        34
Total Alkalinity (CaCO3)  33
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on April 09, 2011, 02:42:28 AM
Beersk. I would say say pilsner, amber
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: beersk on April 11, 2011, 03:25:51 PM
Interesting, I always thought Iowa City had harder water, but I guess not.  Thanks, brudda.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: noopy51 on April 22, 2011, 03:59:51 AM
I'm fairly new at homebrewing and I just received my Drinking Water Quality Report in the mail the other day. I took one look at it and my brain exploded. Any chemists out there who can make heads or tails out of this thing? Here's a quick recap on the data one the report. Any red flags?

Residual Disinfectant Level (free chlorine) - 0.77 ppm
Haloacetic Acids (HAA5) - 28.8 ppb
Total Trihalomethanes (TTHM) - 41.0 ppb

Turbidity - .10 NTU

Bromodichloromethane - 2.0 ppb
Choloform (trichloromethane) - 39.9 ppb
Dichloroacetic Acid - 10.5 ppb
Trichloroacetic Acid - 17.7 ppb
Monochloroacetic Acid - 1.0 ppb

Alkalinity - 15.7 ppm
Aluminum - .018 ppb
Calcium Hardness - 9.4 ppm
pH - 7.4 s.u.
Sodium - 6.5 ppm
Total Hardness - 11.8 ppm

Thanks Homebrewers!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: BrewQwest on May 05, 2011, 12:42:33 PM
just curious if anyone has bothered to do a Ward's Report on the Schmidt Brewery water in St. Paul, MN. Although they no longer make beer there, they have opened the water up to the public. 1,100 foot deep well; 50 cents per gallon. pH of 6.7 but no other info given on the website: http://www.findaspring.com/schmidt-brewery-well-st-paul-mn/ (http://www.findaspring.com/schmidt-brewery-well-st-paul-mn/)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Titanium Brewing on May 10, 2011, 05:28:59 AM
1111042072 Mountain Dairy Spring Water

Please find the mineral profile of mountain dairy spring water attached. Spring location is Highway S6 and Jameson (#6), Palomar Mountain. APN 136 210 01. Best of luck in your brewing endeavors. As a home brewer myself I used MD spring water for many a pint.

Cheers,
David Riemhofer
Riverside Creamery
Quality Control

http://titaniumbrewing.com/MD_spring_water.pdf (http://titaniumbrewing.com/MD_spring_water.pdf)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: nateo on June 17, 2011, 01:20:11 AM
This is from a well. I live in the Ozarks next door to Bennett Spring State Park in MO.

Sodium, Na 2
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 74
Magnesium, Mg 47
Total Hardness, CaCO3 381
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.5 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2 (6ppm)
Chloride, Cl 4
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 440
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 360
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: altered_states on June 28, 2011, 05:08:57 AM
from my private well

NAMPA ID 83687
pH............................................... 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est... 324.0
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm... 0.54
Cations/Anions, me/L............................. 6.3 / 5.5

ppm lbs/Ac9"

Sodium, Na....................................... 25
Potassium, K.....................................  3

Calcium, Ca...................................... 63
Magnesium, Mg..................................24
Total Hardness, CaCO3.......................258

Nitrate, NO3-N................................... 2.4
Sulfate, SO4-S...................................  7
Chloride, Cl.....................................     5

Carbonate, CO3................................... < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3................................ 289
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3.......................... 237

Flouride, F...................................... 0.97
Total Iron, Fe................................... 0.02


Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: James Lorden on September 06, 2011, 09:11:28 PM
anyone have a good method for searching this topic... it would be great if we could come up with a way to make this user friendly. (Sorry, I'm only good at brain storming - actual workable ideas must come from elsewhere!)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: davidgzach on October 05, 2011, 02:15:43 PM
Would love some feedback on my water profile.  The 2 numbers represent the 2 different pumps my water could come from.  They are pretty similar but thought I would be thorough.

Chlorine: 2.15, 1.85
Chloride: 39, 26
Nitrate: 1.4, 1.9
Nitrite: Not Detected, ND
Sulfate: 41, 53
Sodium: 19, 15
Magnesium: 9.6, 11
Potassium: ND, ND
Calcium: 32, 33
Lithium: ND, ND
Aluminum: .04, .04
Iron: ND, ND
Copper:  ND, ND
Zinc: .07, .10
Alkalinity: 51, 53
Hardness: 118, 125
Total Suspended Solids: .2, .2
Total Solids: 246, 250

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: anje on January 07, 2012, 01:09:41 AM
Lafayette, Indiana municipal water.

pH              7.3
Alkalinity      225 mg/L (as CaCO3)
Fluoride        1.1 mg/L
Orthophosphate  0.6 mg/L
Total phosphate 1.5 mg/L
Chloramines     1.1 mg/L
Lead            undetectable
Copper          undetectable
Iron            0.189 mg/L
Manganese       0.210 mg/L
Chlorides       39 mg/L
Sulfates        61 mg/L
Conductivity    670 µm HOS/cm
Total bacteria  0 (per what???)
Total hardness  350 mg/L as CaCO3
Grains hardness 21 grains/gal


The city uses chloramine to treat the water, so I'm a bit hesitant to use it at all, though I do now have a faucet filter.  Brewing suggestions for this water?  (And yes, I agree that my city certainly didn't give me much to go on here.)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on January 07, 2012, 01:27:07 AM
The city uses chloramine to treat the water, so I'm a bit hesitant to use it at all, though I do now have a faucet filter.  

Use one campden tablet per 20 gallons of water (less water is fine) to remove the chloramines. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: davidgzach on January 08, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Water report from Valley Forge, PA.  Would love some feedback.  Thanks in advance!

Dave

The two sets of numbers represent the two pumps that I could get water from.

Chlorine: 2.15, 1.85
Chloride: 39, 26
Nitrate: 1.4, 1.9
Nitrite: Not Detected, ND
Sulfate: 41, 53
Sodium: 19, 15
Magnesium: 9.6, 11
Potassium: ND, ND
Calcium: 32, 33
Lithium: ND, ND
Aluminum: .04, .04
Iron: ND, ND
Copper:  ND, ND
Zinc: .07, .10
Alkalinity: 51, 53
Hardness: 118, 125
Total Suspended Solids: .2, .2
Total Solids: 246, 250

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: anje on January 10, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
The city uses chloramine to treat the water, so I'm a bit hesitant to use it at all, though I do now have a faucet filter.  
Use one campden tablet per 20 gallons of water (less water is fine) to remove the chloramines. 
I read somewhere (possibly Snyder's Brewmaster's Bible?) that campden tablets were best avoided.  Possibly this had to do with sensitivities to sulfites?  Honestly, I'm not fond of my local water anyway, so I'll probably stick with purchased "drinking water" for brewing until I move to an area with better water or move to a house where I can install an RO unit.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Hokerer on January 10, 2012, 09:23:17 PM
The city uses chloramine to treat the water, so I'm a bit hesitant to use it at all, though I do now have a faucet filter.  
Use one campden tablet per 20 gallons of water (less water is fine) to remove the chloramines. 
I read somewhere (possibly Snyder's Brewmaster's Bible?) that campden tablets were best avoided.  Possibly this had to do with sensitivities to sulfites?  Honestly, I'm not fond of my local water anyway, so I'll probably stick with purchased "drinking water" for brewing until I move to an area with better water or move to a house where I can install an RO unit.

Don't worry about Campden, the sulphur stuff gets driven off during the boil.  For ciders and such, where Campden is used to halt fermentation (obviously post boil), then it could be an issue.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: liquidsky156 on January 13, 2012, 11:26:59 PM
Pretty new to all grain brewing, used arrowhead drinking water in the past, was thinking of using filtered tap.  This is the report from online, Upper valley of El Paso,  TX any advice on the profile would be greatly appreciated: 

pH                                              8.1
Total Dissolved solids =             630
Phenol Alkalinity as CaCO3       3.8
Total Alkalinity as CaCO3          121
Total Hardness as CaCO3         119
Chlorides as Cl                          117
Sulfates as SO4                         189
Fluorides as F                            0.59
Silica as SiO2                             36
Nitrates as NO3                          <0.10
Nitrites as NO2                           <0.05
Phosphates as PO4                   <0.05
Calcium as Ca                            42
Magnesium as Mg                          5.5
Sodium as Na                           <0.020
Manganese as Mn                     0.050
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: morticaixavier on January 13, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
The city uses chloramine to treat the water, so I'm a bit hesitant to use it at all, though I do now have a faucet filter.  
Use one campden tablet per 20 gallons of water (less water is fine) to remove the chloramines. 
I read somewhere (possibly Snyder's Brewmaster's Bible?) that campden tablets were best avoided.  Possibly this had to do with sensitivities to sulfites?  Honestly, I'm not fond of my local water anyway, so I'll probably stick with purchased "drinking water" for brewing until I move to an area with better water or move to a house where I can install an RO unit.

Don't worry about Campden, the sulphur stuff gets driven off during the boil.  For ciders and such, where Campden is used to halt fermentation (obviously post boil), then it could be an issue.

IIRC campden will not remove chloramines just chlorine. I think your only option with chloramines is boiling adn waiting or a charcoal or RO filter system. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on January 14, 2012, 12:03:41 AM
IIRC campden will not remove chloramines just chlorine. I think your only option with chloramines is boiling adn waiting or a charcoal or RO filter system. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.
You are correct.  And by that I mean the part where you say you could be wrong :)

Campden removes chloramines and chlorine.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: a10t2 on January 14, 2012, 01:00:05 AM
any advice on the profile would be greatly appreciated: 

You have some calcium, which is good, and the alkalinity is moderate, but the sulphate and chloride levels are out of control. There are some beers in which you might want one or the other to be that high, but not both. So you'll probably want to dilute - possibly heavily - for all beers.

Does the water even taste good? That TDS level is out of control.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on January 14, 2012, 01:41:07 AM
Regarding the Upper Valley El Paso water report.  Something is totally wrong with the concentrations quoted.  The cations and anions are so far off from balancing that something is just mis-reported.  The Ca and Mg do indicate a hardness of about 119 ppm, so they are probably correct.  The low sodium is surprising, but it could be true.  The alkalinity suggests a HCO3 of about 145 ppm and that's reasonable.  The two ions that stand out as pretty darn high are chloride and sulfate.  Somebody needs to double check those values.

Campden tabs do remove both chlorine and chloramine.  They react to produce teeny amounts of chloride, sulfate, and ammonia (chloramine only) along with a teeny bit of either sodium or potassium in the brewing water.  Not enough to worry about.    

EDIT:  I just checked the water report.  The sodium is 168 ppm, not the near zero posted above.  This water is not very suited for brewing.  The sodium, sulfate, and chloride are far higher than desirable.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: liquidsky156 on January 14, 2012, 04:45:48 PM
Embarrassed I put the sodium wrong.  .  .  the cut and pasted report for upper valley of el paso(with correct sodium) :

Total Dissolved Solids                630
Phenol Alkalinity as CaCO3        3.8
Total Alkalinity as CaCO3        121
Total Hardness as CaCO3          119
Chlorides as Cl               117
Sulfates as SO4         189
Fluorides as F          0.59
Silica as SiO2             36
Nitrates as NO3          <0.10
Nitrites as NO2                <0.05
Phosphates as PO4       <0.05
Calcium as Ca              42
Magnesium as Mg         5.5
Sodium as Na             168
Potassium as K           3.6
Iron as Fe                       <0.020
Manganese as Mn        0.050
pH                                      8.1

So, my water is not good for brewing... I'm intending to use Arrowhead drinking water (without fluoride) since the spring water looks like its values are all over the place.  Is this a good choice?  Their report can be found here:  

http://www.nestle-watersna.com/pdf/AH_BWQR.pdf

Again, any help is much appreciated.  Thanks guys.  I was going to spend a lot for a filter, but will probably just stick with bought water, cost really isn't a big deal, as long as I'm not setting myself up for failure.  Thanks a lot again for the advice.  
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: a10t2 on January 14, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
I'm intending to use Arrowhead drinking water (without fluoride) since the spring water looks like its values are all over the place.  Is this a good choice?

IMHO the ranges in that report are wide enough that it isn't really useful. RO from the machine at the grocery still will be cheaper anyway, and then you can add the salts you want.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: chumley on January 17, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
Helena, Montana water from the Tenmile Creek WTP:

Calcium 8.1 mg/L
Magnesium 1.3 mg/l
Bicarbonate 35 mg/L
Sulfate 5.9 mg/L
Sodium 5.9 mg/L
Chloride Not available
Alkalinity 28.7 mg/l
Hardness 26 mg/l
pH 7.2 to 7.8

Interesting fact: We have two breweries in town, and I know one of them does not add anything to their water, even though the calcium concentration is pretty low. IPAs, pilsners, it doesn't matter to them.

I always add a little something, such as a half teaspoon of calcium chloride to a bohemian pilsner mash.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: beer_crafter on January 17, 2012, 05:46:31 PM
Fairfield CT (Bridgeport Metro Area) Water Report
Water from Aquarion Water Company
http://www.aquarion.com/pdfs/Bridgeport10.pdf

Alkalinity 17
Calcium 8.5 mg/L
Potassium 1.81
Magnesium 2.7
Chloride 20.3
Sodium 13.8
Sulfate 15.8
Total Hardness 32.3
pH 7-7.3

Chlorine is added as a disinfectant. 

I filter my water with a Moen activator charcoal filter, although prior to that, I would simply fill up my brew pots the night before brewing.

I use a combination of Chalk, Gypsum, and CaCl to make sure my Calcium Level is > 50, while keeping my RA appropriate for the color of the beer, and ensuring my Chloride/Sulfate balance is where I desire it (typically balanced).


Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: metron-brewer on January 17, 2012, 05:57:38 PM
White Bear Lake, MN
Tested by Ward Labs after running through charcoal filter:

Sample ID : KITCHEN COLD 2011-10-16
pH 7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 179
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.30
Cations / Anions, me/L 3.0 / 2.9
Following are ppm:

Sodium, Na 9
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 41
Magnesium, Mg 6
Total Hardness, CaCO3 128
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 3
Chloride, Cl 22
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 126
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 104
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Alewyfe on January 19, 2012, 01:06:07 AM
Roseburg. Oregon ...pumped out of the beautiful North Umpqua. (5 micron and UV filtered)

Ca        8
Mg       1
Na        5
Cl         4
SO4    .03
CaCO3  24
pH       7.4
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Pinski on January 24, 2012, 05:54:53 PM
pH-            7.3–7.6    tested daily at the plant
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) –    60

ppm
Sodium, Na          9.8
Potassium, K         n/t
Calcium, Ca         15    
Magnesium, -Mg         5–9    
Total Hardness, CaCO3      15–18    
Nitrate, NO3-N         n/d
Sulfate, SO4-S           n/d
Chloride, Cl         5
Carbonate, CO3         n/t
Bicarbonate, HCO3      n/t
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3      24

n/t - denotes not tested
n/d – denotes none detected

Clackamas River Water   Oregon City, Oregon
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: greatplainsbrewer on February 17, 2012, 12:51:24 AM
Central Nebraska
Tested by Ward Labs Spring 2011

pH 7.3
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 290
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.48
Cations / Anions, me/L 5.2 / 5.1
ppm
Sodium, Na 11
Potassium, K 6
Calcium, Ca 73
Magnesium, Mg 12
Total Hardness, CaCO3 233
Nitrate, NO3-N 5.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 5
Chloride, Cl 4
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 261
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 214
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: ccfoo242 on February 21, 2012, 06:37:50 PM
Jacksonville, FL:

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 495
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.82
Cations / Anions, me/L 8.5 /  7.8
ppm
Sodium, Na 38
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 78
Magnesium, Mg 34
Total Hardness, CaCO3 337
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 55
Chloride, Cl 77
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 134
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 110

Any opinions?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 21, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
The CaCO3 number looks like a typo.  Hard water with fair amounts of alkalinity.  Flavor ions are high for some styles.  I would look at dilution with RO water for light colored beers.

The SO-4 as S means you need to multiply by 3 to get the SO4 ppm.  So SO4=165 ppm
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: ccfoo242 on February 21, 2012, 07:59:41 PM
The CaCO3 number looks like a typo.

I copy/pasted straight from the PDF they emailed me.

Woops, I cut off the last zero. I updated the number.

Good eyes!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 21, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
The CaCO3 number looks like a typo.

I copy/pasted straight from the PDF they emailed me.

Woops, I cut off the last zero. I updated the number.

Good eyes!

Strong bifocals is more like it.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: erockrph on February 29, 2012, 02:37:59 AM
Hoping to make the move to BIAB/AG in the coming months, so I dug up my well report from when we bought the house a couple of years ago. I'd appreciate it if those of you in the know could look this over and give me some advice.

This sample was taken through a whole-house filter that hadn't been changed in a couple of years, so some of these numbers may be a bit lower now. I doubt by much though, since we just use a coarse filter to keep the sediment under control. All concentrations are in mg/L

Well depth of 340 ft in Glocester, RI

Turbidity - 21
Color - 15
Odor - ND
pH - 7.8
Calcium - 18.6
Magnesium - 0.7
Hardness - 49.4
Nitrate Nitrogen - ND
Nitrite Nitrogen - ND
Sulfate - ND
Sodium - 10.6
Chloride - 6.6
Copper - ND
Iron - 0.75
Manganese - 0.07

Iron and Manganese levels are high. We get rust stains pretty quick even with our current whole house filter. Tap water tastes pretty good too.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: nateo on February 29, 2012, 02:55:23 AM
Iron and Manganese levels are high. We get rust stains pretty quick even with our current whole house filter. Tap water tastes pretty good too.

Thanks in advance.

The rest of your minerals are really low, so I would try a batch or two with your water as is, with a bit of CaCl or gypsum to raise the calcium over 50ppm. I don't see alkalinity on your report, but with hardness as low as it is it's probably not bad.

As for the iron, that might be something you won't even notice, or only people who have some training will notice if they're looking for it. If you're brewing to do well in a big competition I might use bottled, but it'll probably make fine beer otherwise.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: richardt on February 29, 2012, 04:44:57 PM
ccfoo242--check out top of page 2 of this thread for more info re Jax water.  Best thing is to not use it.  Use bulk RO water from Publix instead and add brew salts to get your desired water profile using bru'nwater.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: rob_f on March 11, 2012, 08:02:13 PM
Colesville, MD -- Montgomery Co. 2/2012
Surface water

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 112
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.19
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.6 / 1.6
ppm
Sodium, Na 11
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 14
Magnesium, Mg 5
Total Hardness, CaCO3 56
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.0 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2 (6)
Chloride, Cl 27
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 34
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 28
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: harbicide on April 01, 2012, 01:47:42 PM
Westview Water Authority, which pulls it from the Ohio River a few miles downstream from Pittsburgh.  Westview will switch over to chloramine April 30.  Analysis shown is from March 14.

pH 8.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) 117
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 236
Sodium, Na 18
Calcium, Ca 52
Magnesium, Mg 22
Total Hardness, CaCO3 74
Nitrate, NO3-N 1
Sulfate, SO4-S 39
Chloride, Cl 50
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 30
Total Iron, Fe 0.016
Free Chlorine, Cl2 1.5
Pittsburgh Trout, 0
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narvin on April 01, 2012, 09:40:30 PM
Westview Water Authority, which pulls it from the Ohio River a few miles downstream from Pittsburgh.  Westview will switch over to chloramine April 30.  Analysis shown is from March 14.

pH 8.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) 117
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 236
Sodium, Na 18
Calcium, Ca 52
Magnesium, Mg 22
Total Hardness, CaCO3 74
Nitrate, NO3-N 1
Sulfate, SO4-S 39
Chloride, Cl 50
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 30
Total Iron, Fe 0.016
Free Chlorine, Cl2 1.5
Pittsburgh Trout, 0

FYI - you may already know this, but sulfate reported as SO4-S is just for the sulfur, and needs to be multiplied by 3 to get sulfate, so your total sulfate is 117 ppm.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: harbicide on April 02, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
FYI - you may already know this, but sulfate reported as SO4-S is just for the sulfur, and needs to be multiplied by 3 to get sulfate, so your total sulfate is 117 ppm.
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Good catch.  However I used Denny's report as a template, which shows "SO4-S".  Mine was reported as SO4.
Title: PAWC: Scranton Dunmore PA
Post by: beerrat on April 05, 2012, 01:48:15 AM
Ward labs results for Dunmore PA (Scranton area) - Pennsylvania American Water Company

pH 7.0
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 78
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.13
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.1 / 1.3

ppm
Sodium, Na 10
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 10
Magnesium, Mg 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 29
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 5
Chloride, Cl 19
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 24
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 19
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narvin on April 05, 2012, 02:47:30 AM
Good catch.  However I used Denny's report as a template, which shows "SO4-S".  Mine was reported as SO4.

Huh.  In that case, something is way out of wack.  The cations and anions aren't balanced.  It was a lot closer with 117 ppm of sulfate.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Pinski on May 04, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
Ward Labs analysis for Oregon City, Oregon

pH 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 47
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.08
Cations / Anions, me/L 0.7 / 0.7
ppm
Sodium, Na 9
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 5
Magnesium, Mg 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 17
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 1
Chloride, Cl 7
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 24
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 19
Total Phosphorus, P 0.75
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: lornemagill on May 04, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
i live in round rock, texas and have been uable to find a water report that lists the appropriate info.  what are some keywords i should use when googling.  ive asked a local brewer and some club members and no one knows.  thanks.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: morticaixavier on May 04, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
i live in round rock, texas and have been uable to find a water report that lists the appropriate info.  what are some keywords i should use when googling.  ive asked a local brewer and some club members and no one knows.  thanks.

google ward labs. It cost a few bucks but you can send a sample and get a report with exactly the info you need for brewing purposes.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: lornemagill on May 04, 2012, 10:09:14 PM
much obliged.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Pinski on May 04, 2012, 10:20:51 PM
Yep, Ward labs. Very convenient, order ther Brewer's Analysis. $26.00
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on May 05, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Yep, Ward labs. Very convenient, order ther Brewer's Analysis. $26.00

Hmm, so did Ward Labs jack up their prices for homebrewers?  Their W-6 test is still listed on their standard pricing list as $16.50, which is what I've paid in the past.  In the homebrewers section it's listed at $26.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 05, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Yep, Ward labs. Very convenient, order ther Brewer's Analysis. $26.00

Hmm, so did Ward Labs jack up their prices for homebrewers?  Their W-6 test is still listed on their standard pricing list as $16.50, which is what I've paid in the past.  In the homebrewers section it's listed at $26.
I think the $26 is W5, the $16.50 is W6. If you want to know your iron content, get W5.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tygo on May 05, 2012, 11:57:54 AM
Ah, I see what they're doing.  The prices on the Homebrewer's page include return shipping, sample bottles, etc.

https://producers.wardlab.com/BrewersKitOrder.aspx

I assume you can still just send it in your own container and pay the lower price, either $16.50 for W-6 or $26.50 for W-5.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: ccfoo242 on May 06, 2012, 04:41:02 AM
I assume you can still just send it in your own container and pay the lower price, either $16.50 for W-6 or $26.50 for W-5.

Yeah, I got the $16.50 one.  I just used a cheap 16 oz bottle of water and emptied it/rinsed it and filled with my tap water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mmitchem on May 22, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
Suffolk VA - well water, in the western part of the county near Isle of Wight:

pH 8.3
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 315
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.52
Cations / Anions, me/L 6.0 /  6.2 ppm

Sodium, Na 136
Potassium, K 4
Calcium, Ca < 1
Magnesium, Mg < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 < 1
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl 4
Carbonate, CO3 12
Bicarbonate, HCO3 345
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 303
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 22, 2012, 04:59:17 PM
Suffolk VA - well water, in the western part of the county near Isle of Wight:

pH 8.3
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 315
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.52
Cations / Anions, me/L 6.0 /  6.2 ppm

Sodium, Na 136
Potassium, K 4
Calcium, Ca < 1
Magnesium, Mg < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 < 1
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl 4
Carbonate, CO3 12
Bicarbonate, HCO3 345
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 303
I am no expert on water, but that looks like it went through a water softener. High Sodium and very low Ca, Mg and Cl.  The alkalinity is high. The RA would be very high on this. You would need to add Ca for all grain beers, and get rid of the alkalinity for light colored beers.

My tap water is on page one of this thread, adn I gave up using it and buy RO water for brewing.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mmitchem on May 23, 2012, 03:21:35 AM
My RA is rather high. Along with the sodium. I go half and hald distilled and add a combination of chalk, calcium chloride and gypsum until i get the RA where I want it for light beers as well as getting the sulfate to chloride ratio where it needs to be for the beer I am brewing (malty vs. hoppy). Also hit it with some lactic acid as well if needs be. Not the greatest water, but it can make some good dark beers with minimal adjustment :)
Also, no softener. Just well water through a big blue charcoal filter in the corner lol.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 23, 2012, 12:47:55 PM
My RA is rather high. Along with the sodium. I go half and hald distilled and add a combination of chalk, calcium chloride and gypsum until i get the RA where I want it for light beers as well as getting the sulfate to chloride ratio where it needs to be for the beer I am brewing (malty vs. hoppy). Also hit it with some lactic acid as well if needs be. Not the greatest water, but it can make some good dark beers with minimal adjustment :)
Also, no softener. Just well water through a big blue charcoal filter in the corner lol.
Your local aquifer must have a layer of baking soda to give that much sodium and bicarbonate.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mmitchem on May 23, 2012, 01:07:34 PM
Hard to say what all it passes through under the earth. I do know that there are ways to mitigate it though. I am a little mad at myself for putting water off the radar for so long. Ughhhh, if I would have known then...lol. All part of the growth as a brewer I suppose. One obstacle at a time :)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jmcamerlengo on May 23, 2012, 02:37:05 PM
My RA is rather high. Along with the sodium. I go half and hald distilled and add a combination of chalk, calcium chloride and gypsum until i get the RA where I want it for light beers as well as getting the sulfate to chloride ratio where it needs to be for the beer I am brewing (malty vs. hoppy). Also hit it with some lactic acid as well if needs be. Not the greatest water, but it can make some good dark beers with minimal adjustment :)
Also, no softener. Just well water through a big blue charcoal filter in the corner lol.
Your local aquifer must have a layer of baking soda to give that much sodium and bicarbonate.

Agreed, That is one strange water profile...
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: danielscottwoods on May 27, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
My First post,  DuBois PA tap water tested by Ward Labs,

pH 7.1
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 77
Sodium, Na 17
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 3
Magnesium, Mg 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 12
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.4 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 3
Chloride, Cl 19
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 21
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 17
Total Phosphorus, P 0.66
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01

Surprised how soft it is for a old coal mining town.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: summy on May 27, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
I'm originally from Emporium.  I've brewed at my parents and their water is very soft.

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bboy9000 on June 08, 2012, 09:26:47 PM
Independence, Missouri (Jackson County)
Courtney Bend Well Field by Missouri River
41 wells from Missouri River Alluvial Aquifer (groundwater source, primarily Limestone and other sedimentary bedrock)

2011 Water Confidence Report by Independence City Utilities

Alkalinity, Total (mg/L)  65
Calcium (mg/L) 21
Chloride (mg/L)  24
Hardness, Total (mg/L as Calcium Carbonate)  120
Magnesium (mg/L)  20
pH  9.75
Potassium (mg/L) 6.6
Silica (mg/L)  15
Sodium (mg/L)  50
Sulfate (mg/L)  160
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: brewsumore on June 16, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
From East Spokane Water District 1.  I live in Spokane Valley, Washington.  This water has no chlorine, chloramines, or flouride, or other purification agent(s).  I keep calling them to be sure that doesn't change...

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 183
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.31
Cations / Anions, me/L 3.0 / 3.0

#'s below in ppm:
Sodium, Na 6
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 35
Magnesium, Mg 12
Total Hardness, CaCO3 138
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.5 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 4
Chloride, Cl 7
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 151
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 124
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: snax on June 19, 2012, 04:15:18 AM
i live in round rock, texas and have been uable to find a water report that lists the appropriate info.  what are some keywords i should use when googling.  ive asked a local brewer and some club members and no one knows.  thanks.

Did you post to the Texas Carboys or Austin Zealots? I've posted info out to the Zealots Yahoo group a few times.

You should receive the annual drinking water quality report by July 1, the City hasn't posted online as of yet -- the one available at http://dww.tceq.texas.gov/CCR/ (search for "City of Round Rock" or TX2460003) does not include the secondaries that you would want for sulfate/hardness/calcium etc. pH usually ranges from 7.3 - 7.6, raw water alkalinity is ~155.

Chloramine levels depend on how far you live from the water treatment/pump stations, but be aware that with historical levels in distribution minimum of 2.15 mg/L (measured as total chlorine) and levels above 3 mg/L out of the treatment plant that you need to dechloraminate. Carbon filtration may not remove all if you don't have sufficient contact time to hit a removal efficiency that you need.

Assuming that Kim Lutz is still handling the water quality data for Round Rock, you can call her at (512) 341-3333 or email kiml@round-rock.tx.us for more recent data.

You can also get your water tested by LCRA Environmental Services in southeast Austin, they have a residential water supply testing services https://els.lcra.org/RWST.aspx.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: WesKinetic on July 12, 2012, 07:38:31 PM
Oklahoma City, OK (Lake Hefner)
May 2012 quarterly report

Total  Dissolved Solids   591
Phenolphthalein Alkalinity as CaCO3   13
Total Alkalinity as CaCO3   36
Hardness as CaCO3   228
Calcium as CaCO3   130
Hardness in grains per gallon   13
Bicarbonate Alkalinity as CaCO3   10
Calcium as Ca++   52
Magnesium as Mg++   25
Sulfate   211
Chloride   125
Bromide   <0.25
Fluoride   0.54
pH (Std. Units)   9.8
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: lornemagill on July 12, 2012, 07:42:54 PM
i live in round rock, texas and have been uable to find a water report that lists the appropriate info.  what are some keywords i should use when googling.  ive asked a local brewer and some club members and no one knows.  thanks.

Did you post to the Texas Carboys or Austin Zealots? I've posted info out to the Zealots Yahoo group a few times.

You should receive the annual drinking water quality report by July 1, the City hasn't posted online as of yet -- the one available at http://dww.tceq.texas.gov/CCR/ (search for "City of Round Rock" or TX2460003) does not include the secondaries that you would want for sulfate/hardness/calcium etc. pH usually ranges from 7.3 - 7.6, raw water alkalinity is ~155.

Chloramine levels depend on how far you live from the water treatment/pump stations, but be aware that with historical levels in distribution minimum of 2.15 mg/L (measured as total chlorine) and levels above 3 mg/L out of the treatment plant that you need to dechloraminate. Carbon filtration may not remove all if you don't have sufficient contact time to hit a removal efficiency that you need.

Assuming that Kim Lutz is still handling the water quality data for Round Rock, you can call her at (512) 341-3333 or email kiml@round-rock.tx.us for more recent data.

You can also get your water tested by LCRA Environmental Services in southeast Austin, they have a residential water supply testing services https://els.lcra.org/RWST.aspx.

just saw this, thanks for all the great info.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: homebrewing on July 12, 2012, 07:52:11 PM
i live in round rock, texas and have been uable to find a water report that lists the appropriate info.  what are some keywords i should use when googling.  ive asked a local brewer and some club members and no one knows.  thanks.

Did you post to the Texas Carboys or Austin Zealots? I've posted info out to the Zealots Yahoo group a few times.

You should receive the annual drinking water quality report by July 1, the City hasn't posted online as of yet -- the one available at http://dww.tceq.texas.gov/CCR/ (search for "City of Round Rock" or TX2460003) does not include the secondaries that you would want for sulfate/hardness/calcium etc. pH usually ranges from 7.3 - 7.6, raw water alkalinity is ~155.

Chloramine levels depend on how far you live from the water treatment/pump stations, but be aware that with historical levels in distribution minimum of 2.15 mg/L (measured as total chlorine) and levels above 3 mg/L out of the treatment plant that you need to dechloraminate. Carbon filtration may not remove all if you don't have sufficient contact time to hit a removal efficiency that you need.

Assuming that Kim Lutz is still handling the water quality data for Round Rock, you can call her at (512) 341-3333 or email kiml@round-rock.tx.us for more recent data.

You can also get your water tested by LCRA Environmental Services in southeast Austin, they have a residential water supply testing services https://els.lcra.org/RWST.aspx.

just saw this, thanks for all the great info.

ditto... great info for Austinites and Round Rockians
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: aviking427 on July 31, 2012, 05:43:10 PM
Just got mine in last night.

This is my well water in Pound Ridge, NY

pH 6.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 88
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.15
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.4 / 1.4
ppm
Sodium, Na         9
Potassium, K       3
Calcium, Ca        14
Magnesium, Mg    3
Total Hardness, CaCO3         48
Nitrate, NO3-N          1.4 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S     3
Chloride, Cl         6
Carbonate, CO3 <      1
Bicarbonate, HCO3     53
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3      44
Total Phosphorus, P          0.74
Total Iron, Fe                  <0.01

Now the fun begins!!!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on August 02, 2012, 07:18:55 PM
This is my report from Prince William County, VA. I'm looking to switch to all grain soon, and was wondering if I could get some feedback on this. The report shows tests conducted over a year period, I'm listing the average values. Thanks!


pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 188
Electrical Conductivity, umho/cm 354

ppm
Sodium, Na         32.9
Potassium, K       4.3
Calcium, Ca        22.6
Magnesium, Mg    5.5
Total Hardness, CaCO3         78
Nitrate, NO3-N          1.2
Sulfate, SO4-S     25.3
Chloride, Cl         49.8
Carbonate, CO3 <      1
Bicarbonate, HCO3     54
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3      54
Total Phosphorus, P          0.33
Total Iron, Fe                  BQL
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: aviking427 on August 03, 2012, 01:44:30 AM
This is my report from Prince William County, VA. I'm looking to switch to all grain soon, and was wondering if I could get some feedback on this. The report shows tests conducted over a year period, I'm listing the average values. Thanks!


pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 188
Electrical Conductivity, umho/cm 354

ppm
Sodium, Na         32.9
Potassium, K       4.3
Calcium, Ca        22.6
Magnesium, Mg    5.5
Total Hardness, CaCO3         78
Nitrate, NO3-N          1.2
Sulfate, SO4-S     25.3
Chloride, Cl         49.8
Carbonate, CO3 <      1
Bicarbonate, HCO3     54
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3      54
Total Phosphorus, P          0.33
Total Iron, Fe                  BQL

I'll preface this by saying, I am by far no water specialist and am just getting into understanding water. It looks like you have some really workable water. I'm the post before yours and spent some time reading through previous posts and other online water research as well as looking at other reports. (Again, not an expert, just believe I learned something) You should be able to make ALMOST any water you want with salt and acid additions that you want. You can probably dilute that water add the salts that are lacking and get close to Pilsen water. If you haven't already, download Bru'n water, read through it, pick a style you want to brew and start building the water profile for it. I found it, in addition to other research, to be a great way to start understanding water manipulation.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on August 03, 2012, 09:57:27 PM
This is my report from Prince William County, VA. I'm looking to switch to all grain soon, and was wondering if I could get some feedback on this. The report shows tests conducted over a year period, I'm listing the average values. Thanks!


pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 188
Electrical Conductivity, umho/cm 354

ppm
Sodium, Na         32.9
Potassium, K       4.3
Calcium, Ca        22.6
Magnesium, Mg    5.5
Total Hardness, CaCO3         78
Nitrate, NO3-N          1.2
Sulfate, SO4-S     25.3
Chloride, Cl         49.8
Carbonate, CO3 <      1
Bicarbonate, HCO3     54
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3      54
Total Phosphorus, P          0.33
Total Iron, Fe                  BQL

I'll preface this by saying, I am by far no water specialist and am just getting into understanding water. It looks like you have some really workable water. I'm the post before yours and spent some time reading through previous posts and other online water research as well as looking at other reports. (Again, not an expert, just believe I learned something) You should be able to make ALMOST any water you want with salt and acid additions that you want. You can probably dilute that water add the salts that are lacking and get close to Pilsen water. If you haven't already, download Bru'n water, read through it, pick a style you want to brew and start building the water profile for it. I found it, in addition to other research, to be a great way to start understanding water manipulation.

Great, thanks for the tip. I'm def going to dl Bru'n water- looks like a great resource.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: AmandaK on August 23, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
Effingham, IL -- Municipal Water Supply -- Ward Labs Report


pH - 9.2
TDS - 128
Cations/Anions - 2.0/2.0

Sodium - 11
Potassium - 5
Calcium - 22
Magnesium - 4
Total Hardness as CaCO3 - 72
Sulfate, SO4-S - 9
Chloride - 15
Carbonate - 9
Bicarbonate - 44
Total Alkalinty as CaCO3 - 51
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jmcamerlengo on August 23, 2012, 06:33:37 PM
Brookfield, Ohio

Total Hardness: 108
Calcium: 28
Sulfate: 35
Chloride: 15
Mg: 5

chloramine treated. Not to shabby.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: troybinso on August 23, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
Walla Walla, WA.
I've had one test done in August and another in December and they were really similar.

pH 7.3
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 42
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.07
Cations / Anions, me/L 0.7 / 0.5

Sodium, Na - 2
Potassium, K - 2
Calcium, Ca - 8
Magnesium, Mg - 2
Total Hardness, CaCO3 - 28
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S - 1
Chloride, Cl - 1
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 - 25
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 - 20
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mihalybaci on September 25, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
I've noticed that some of my lightly hopped beers (20-40 IBU) a slight harshness to the bitterness. I use straight tap water (no treatment at all) and just do 60 min boils for all my bittering additions. Based on the water report, is it likely to be from the water or something in my brewing procedure? Are there any water adjustments I should be making to most of my brews? I know these questions are recipe dependent, but some general guidelines would be fabulous. Thanks for any help.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Tap water for Fort Collins, Colorado

pH 7.9 (measured closer to 7 from my faucet)
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 76
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.13
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.2 / 1.1

(ppm)
Sodium, Na 3
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 17
Magnesium, Mg 2
Total Hardness, CaCO3 51
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 4
Chloride, Cl 3
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 44
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 36
Total Phosphorus, P 0.94
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on September 25, 2012, 03:46:26 PM
I've noticed that some of my lightly hopped beers (20-40 IBU) a slight harshness to the bitterness. I use straight tap water (no treatment at all) and just do 60 min boils for all my bittering additions. Based on the water report, is it likely to be from the water or something in my brewing procedure? Are there any water adjustments I should be making to most of my brews? I know these questions are recipe dependent, but some general guidelines would be fabulous. Thanks for any help.

Have you ever checked your mash pH?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mihalybaci on September 25, 2012, 04:00:33 PM
I have not. If the mash pH is too high, would it be enough for me to drop it with some citric acid (which I have lying around for other purposes)? Or would something like a pH stabilizer that I've seen at the homebrew store be better?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on September 25, 2012, 04:42:36 PM
I have not. If the mash pH is too high, would it be enough for me to drop it with some citric acid (which I have lying around for other purposes)? Or would something like a pH stabilizer that I've seen at the homebrew store be better?

Based on my own experience and what I've read from many others, the pH stabilizer is ineffective and add a strange taste to your beer due to the amount of sodium in it.  I don't think citirc acid would be effective because you;d have to add so much it might affect the flavor.  I use either lactic or phosphoric acid to lower pH.  You can also use sauermalt (Yeah, I probably dickchimped the spelling) to lower pH.  But you'll have to have a way of measuring pH to know how much to use and if it's effective.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mihalybaci on September 25, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Based on my own experience and what I've read from many others, the pH stabilizer is ineffective and add a strange taste to your beer due to the amount of sodium in it.  I don't think citirc acid would be effective because you;d have to add so much it might affect the flavor.  I use either lactic or phosphoric acid to lower pH.  You can also use sauermalt (Yeah, I probably dickchimped the spelling) to lower pH.  But you'll have to have a way of measuring pH to know how much to use and if it's effective.

Okay. I did a saison last year with a pound of acid malt for some tartness, not to lower the pH, and didn't notice any harshness, or at least I can't remember any. I'll definitely try adding some in my next beer and see what happens. Thanks!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: ryang on October 03, 2012, 03:34:54 AM
Finally got my well tested at our new (well, it's old... built in 1924) house in the foothills west of Denver.  Anyone care to give a brief opinion of the water?  This is a new aspect to brewing that I will have to focus in on in the months to come.

pH 8.3
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 774
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.29
Cations / Anions, me/L 12.5 / 13.3
Sodium, Na 243
Potassium, K 4
Calcium, Ca 19
Magnesium, Mg 11
Total Hardness, CaCO3 93
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S 106
Chloride, Cl 56
Carbonate, CO3 12
Bicarbonate, HCO3 285
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 254
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Mark G on October 03, 2012, 02:20:57 PM
That's a lot of sodium. You need to get that number down significantly. Have you considered any water treatment options for your house? Otherwise you can dilute it with store-bought RO or distilled water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 03, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
That is high in alkalinity, and low in hardness (Ca). The water must go through some interesting mineral layers there.

Dilution would be an option, and then use CaCl2 to up the Ca. Said that due to the fact that you have a lot of SO4. Ward Labs reports it as sulfur unts, to get the SO4 multiple by 3 (if you have not done so) which puts that at 318 ppm.

Another option is to just buy RO water and build up to get the profile for the beer being brewed.

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: ryang on October 09, 2012, 06:05:56 PM
Thanks for the replies.  The sample submitted was out of the kitchen faucet, and that is the water that goes through the softener, so it may be that the sodium level is being increased quite significantly from that.  I may submit a sample with pure well water from the outside tap.

The well is hardrock (granite) drilled at about 240 foot depth.  The well was drilled in 1974.

We have talked about getting an RO system, but the majority of them are so inefficient.  I did find that Costco carries a 'no-waste' RO system, but I haven't looked into it all that much.  Any recommendations on RO systems?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 10, 2012, 02:12:11 AM
Get a sample of the water bypassed from the softener to see what is the base water from the well. That way you will see what the calcium and magnesium are, I am not smart enough to estimate from the softened water. That is a job for a water super hero professional like Martin.  ;)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on October 10, 2012, 02:16:25 AM
Get a sample of the water bypassed from the softener to see what is the base water from the well. That way you will see what the calcium and magnesium are, I am not smart enough to estimate from the softened water. That is a job for a water super hero professional like Martin.  ;)
He goes by "Aquaman".
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jeffy on October 10, 2012, 10:15:23 AM
Get a sample of the water bypassed from the softener to see what is the base water from the well. That way you will see what the calcium and magnesium are, I am not smart enough to estimate from the softened water. That is a job for a water super hero professional like Martin.  ;)
He goes by "Aquaman".
Kevin Costner played his role on the screen.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on October 10, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
Thanks for the replies.  The sample submitted was out of the kitchen faucet, and that is the water that goes through the softener, so it may be that the sodium level is being increased quite significantly from that.  I may submit a sample with pure well water from the outside tap.

The well is hardrock (granite) drilled at about 240 foot depth.  The well was drilled in 1974.

We have talked about getting an RO system, but the majority of them are so inefficient.  I did find that Costco carries a 'no-waste' RO system, but I haven't looked into it all that much.  Any recommendations on RO systems?

You guys crack me up.

Yes, the water report was typical of a ion-exchange softened water with the Ca and Mg low and Na high.  The alkalinity is also left high, so the pH reducing effect of the Ca and Mg in the mash is deleted and the mash pH ends up far too high.  The worst of both worlds.

With the amount of Na in the water, the Ca might have been in the 200 + range.  That's darn hard water.  The other troubling thing is the very high sulfate at over 300 ppm.  This is probably still not a very nice water to drink and the unsoftened water may not be much better in brewing. 

Ryan mentions this well is in granite, but the Ca and carbonates suggest that there is a carbonate aquifer somewhere upstream of the well.  Water from a strictly hard rock source would be much softer and have little alkalinity.  The typical problem for that source is that it picks up things like iron and manganese from the rock. 

I would perform a simple taste test on the unsoftened tap water and assess if it tastes good.  The ion-exchange softening also removes the iron and manganese from the water, so the unsoftened water might display a metallic taste.  If it does, its time to punt.  That water will not be suitable for brewing.  Getting a home RO system to provide the family drinking water would be a good idea. 

Don't listen to something that says 'zero waste' RO system.  A RO system uses a 'tangential flush' to keep the membranes from fouling.  If there wasn't this flush, the ion concentrations on the feedwater side would get so high that the ions would precipitate onto the membrane (scale) and clog the membrane in a heartbeat.  Waste is a part of RO operation.  Using the softened water as the feedwater will help prolong the life of the membrane. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Herminator on October 11, 2012, 08:27:21 PM
Alright. I am getting ready to brew my first batch (beyond excited ;D).  I am brewing an irish red (came with the kit) and it is extract.  I am trying to cover all my bases and have been trying to understand the water profile in my area but....I cannot even begin to understand some of the water discussion happening on the forum.  Here is my water report from my area.  Anything with a 0 was not listed on the report. Any suggestions or thoughts?  Thanks for your help.

pH= 8.02
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) mg/L= 79
Sodium, Na =3.0
Potassium, K =0.8
Calcium, Ca =17.1
Magnesium, Mg= 1.8
Total Hardness, CaCO3  mg/L= 52.0
Nitrate, NO3-N =0
Sulfate, SO4-S= 0
Chloride, Cl =0
Carbonate, CO3 = 0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 = 0
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 = 36.4
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: morticaixavier on October 11, 2012, 08:30:48 PM
Alright. I am getting ready to brew my first batch (beyond excited ;D).  I am brewing an irish red (came with the kit) and it is extract.  I am trying to cover all my bases and have been trying to understand the water profile in my area but....I cannot even begin to understand some of the water discussion happening on the forum.  Here is my water report from my area.  Anything with a 0 was not listed on the report. Any suggestions or thoughts?  Thanks for your help.

pH= 8.02
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) mg/L= 79
Sodium, Na =3.0
Potassium, K =0.8
Calcium, Ca =17.1
Magnesium, Mg= 1.8
Total Hardness, CaCO3  mg/L= 52.0
Nitrate, NO3-N =0
Sulfate, SO4-S= 0
Chloride, Cl =0
Carbonate, CO3 = 0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 = 0
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 = 36.4

don't worry about it. with extract it's not a huge concern as most of the water chemistry stuff was handled by the folks that made the extract. Some folks even recommend using distilled water for extract brewing. Make sure there is no chlorine or chloramine in your water, if it is from a municiple source you can do this by very slow filtering through a carbon filter or camden tablets (available at your LHBS). other than that you should be fine.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Herminator on October 11, 2012, 08:39:19 PM
Great. I figured it wasn't too big of a deal with extract but thought I would ask.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on October 12, 2012, 12:15:40 AM

pH= 8.02
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) mg/L= 79
Sodium, Na =3.0
Potassium, K =0.8
Calcium, Ca =17.1
Magnesium, Mg= 1.8
Total Hardness, CaCO3  mg/L= 52.0
Nitrate, NO3-N =0
Sulfate, SO4-S= 0
Chloride, Cl =0
Carbonate, CO3 = 0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 = 0
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 = 36.4

A more complete analysis is needed, but I can see that the 2 ions that are missing (Cl, and SO4) are probably pretty low.  This is nearly RO quality water and should be fine for extract brewing. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Herminator on October 12, 2012, 02:53:40 PM
Thanks for the feedback.  Here is a more in depth report.  All items listed on the report is listed below.  I am asking, about water quality because while I am new and using extract now, I see myself moving quickly into all grain brewing.  Any suggestions or thoughts on the report below? Thanks for the feedback.  It is much appreciated. 

Antimony μg/L = <1.0
Arsenic μg/L = <1.0
Barium μg/L = 15
Beryllium μg/L = <1.0
Cadmium μg/L = <1.0
Chromium μg/L = <1.0
Copper μg/L = 17
Fluoride mg/L = 0.93
Lead μg/L <1.0
Mercury μg/L = <0.2
Nitrate as Nitrogen μg/L =  Not tested  / <.04 at Entry Point to Distribution System
Nitrite as Nitrogen mg/L =  Not tested  / <.04 at Entry Point to Distribution System
Selenium μg/L = <5.0
Thallium μg/L = <1.0
Total coliforms cfu/100mL = 0
Total Trihalomethane μg/L = 32

Secondary Standards
Aluminum μg/L =  34
Chloride mg/L 3 = Not tested  / 3.1 at Entry Point to Distribution System
Copper μg/L = 17.8
Iron μg/L = 15
Manganese μg/L = 1.0
pH Units = 8.0
Silver μg/L = <1.0
Sulfate mg/L =  Not tested / at Entry Point to Distribution System
Turbidity NTU =  0.19
Zinc μg/L = <100

Chemicals
Alkalinity mg/L = 36.7 N
Ammonia as N mg/L  = Not tested  / <.02 at Entry of Distribution System
Calcium mg/L = Not tested  / 16.4 at Entry of Distribution System
Free Chlorine Residual mg/L = 0.46
Hardness as Calcium carbonate mg/L = 51
Hardness as Calcium carbonate grains/gal = 2.8
Magnesium mg/L = Not tested  / 1.7 at Entry of Distribution System
Nickel μg/L = <2.0 “
Potassium mg/L =  Not tested  / 0.8 at Entry of Distribution System
Sodium mg/L = 3.1
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: erockrph on October 18, 2012, 03:51:05 PM
The rest of your minerals are really low, so I would try a batch or two with your water as is, with a bit of CaCl or gypsum to raise the calcium over 50ppm. I don't see alkalinity on your report, but with hardness as low as it is it's probably not bad.

Sorry to dig up an old post, but I have a few All-Grain batches under my belt now and I've been wondering why I can't get Brunwater to balance my ions. Then I realized I have no alkalinity in my water report (turns out I was using hardness instead). Since I don't have alkalinity in my water report, I was thinking that whatever value brings my Cation/Anion ratio closest to 1 is probably the best guess. Does this sound reasonable?

My water report is copied below. If I plug this into BrunWater, and plug in 66 for my alkalinity, I get 80 ppm Bicarbonate and a 1.01 ion ratio. I will eventually send a sample from my kitchen sink to a lab for analysis, but I'm wondering if this will suffice for the time being. Brewing my first all-grain porter tomorrow, so I'd like to be in the right ballpark.

Well depth of 340 ft in Glocester, RI

Turbidity - 21
Color - 15
Odor - ND
pH - 7.8
Calcium - 18.6
Magnesium - 0.7
Hardness - 49.4
Nitrate Nitrogen - ND
Nitrite Nitrogen - ND
Sulfate - ND
Sodium - 10.6
Chloride - 6.6
Copper - ND
Iron - 0.75
Manganese - 0.07
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on October 18, 2012, 07:25:55 PM

My water report is copied below. If I plug this into BrunWater, and plug in 66 for my alkalinity, I get 80 ppm Bicarbonate and a 1.01 ion ratio. I will eventually send a sample from my kitchen sink to a lab for analysis, but I'm wondering if this will suffice for the time being. Brewing my first all-grain porter tomorrow, so I'd like to be in the right ballpark.

Well depth of 340 ft in Glocester, RI

Turbidity - 21
Color - 15
Odor - ND
pH - 7.8
Calcium - 18.6
Magnesium - 0.7
Hardness - 49.4
Nitrate Nitrogen - ND
Nitrite Nitrogen - ND
Sulfate - ND
Sodium - 10.6
Chloride - 6.6
Copper - ND
Iron - 0.75
Manganese - 0.07

Yes if you have all the other major ions and are missing just one other major ion, you could make an educated guess for that missing concentration.  You did well.  That alkalinity level seems reasonable given the modest hardness.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: punatic on October 18, 2012, 11:20:51 PM
Turbidity - 21 ?
Yikes!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: erockrph on October 18, 2012, 11:41:33 PM
Turbidity - 21 ?
Yikes!

Yeah, this sample was from the inspection when we bought the house. At the time the whole-house filter had never been changed, and the irrigation system had been running through it for about 3 years. We do get a lot of sediment from our well, but now that we've gone to a double-length filter and moved the irrigation system to bypass the filter, the water has gotten a hell of a lot better.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mybeerpants on October 25, 2012, 10:49:25 PM
Beaverton, OR
Ward Labs Report - 10/5/2012

pH 8.0
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm       49
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm       0.08
Cations / Anions, me/L       0.8 / 0.8

All below in ppm
Sodium, Na     8
Potassium, K     3
Calcium, Ca     3
Magnesium, Mg     2
Total Hardness, CaCO3     16
Nitrate, NO3-N <     0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S     2
Chloride, Cl     3
Carbonate, CO3     3
Bicarbonate, HCO3     28
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3     28
Total Phosphorus, P     0.48
Total Iron, Fe <     0.01

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: kdziok on November 06, 2012, 03:08:11 AM
Attleboro, MA
8/14/2012
Ward Labs Analysis
pH    7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm    225
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm    0.38
Cations / Anions, me/L    3.3/3.2
Sodium, Na    58
Potassium, K    2
Calcium, Ca    11
Magnesium, Mg    2
Total Hardness, CaCO3    36
Nitrate, NO3-N    0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S    2
Chloride, Cl    77
Carbonate, CO3   < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3    53
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3    44
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flipper on November 22, 2012, 02:29:31 AM
Phoenix, AZ (Mountain Park Ranch neighborhood)
11/05/2012
Ward Labs Analysis

Before you ask, no, we do not have a water softener.  Seems they named it the Salt River for a reason.

pH 8.2
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 762
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.27
Cations / Anions, me/L 11.6 / 12.2
Sodium, Na 171
Potassium, K 5
Calcium, Ca 52
Magnesium, Mg 17
Total Hardness, CaCO3 201
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 16
Chloride, Cl 287
Carbonate, CO3 9
Bicarbonate, HCO3 162
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 147
Total Phosphorus, P 1.06
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01

And then here's what it looks like after it comes out of the RO system:

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 202
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.34
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.5 / 2.6
Sodium, Na 49
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 4
Magnesium, Mg 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 14
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl 74
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 26
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 22
Total Phosphorus, P 1.00
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on November 22, 2012, 06:00:23 PM
That report for the RO system profile is not good.  If it's your system, it needs the membrane replaced.  A properly operating RO membrane will remove at least 94% of the sodium and chloride.  The TDS value should be under 25 ppm.  If this was from a retail RO vending system, having a portable TDS meter can help you avoid wasting your money by buying water from a malfunctioning machine.

PS: That is some crappy tap water!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 22, 2012, 06:24:00 PM
PS: That is some crappy tap water!
When I would go out to Mesa AZ for work, you would remember quickly why no one was really drinking the tap water. Salt river indeed.

The water they get from the lower Colorado is not much better.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: punatic on November 23, 2012, 07:46:15 AM
That report for the RO system profile is not good.  If it's your system, it needs the membrane replaced.  A properly operating RO membrane will remove at least 94% of the sodium and chloride.  The TDS value should be under 25 ppm.  If this was from a retail RO vending system, having a portable TDS meter can help you avoid wasting your money by buying water from a malfunctioning machine.

PS: That is some crappy tap water!

The machine might just have a NF membrane meant to operate at lower pressures, with 75% salt rejection.
The permeate is not too bad - if it is considered as tap water.  Chloride at 74 mg/L is well below the taste threshold.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: TrippleRippleBrewer on December 04, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
Straight from the tap through a carbon filter for drinking water.
Southwest Michigan has hard ass water!

Tips and advice on what to do with this for brewing pale ales and lagers appreciated. I have brewed with it for years, occasionally cutting it with RO but usually not.

I have a Bopils fermenting that I put 1 gallon of this water to about 5 gallons RO for both mash and sparge.
Just a shot in the dark basically. This is why I wanted the report from Ward. :o


pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 472
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.79
Cations / Anions, me/L 8.0 / 8.7
ppm
Sodium, Na 38
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 81
Magnesium, Mg 27
Total Hardness, CaCO3 315
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 13
Chloride, Cl 78
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 344
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 282
Total Phosphorus, P 0.78
Total Iron, Fe 0.07
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 04, 2012, 04:02:57 PM
You have a ground water source, which is similar to mine (3rd post in this thread on page 1).

You sulfates are fairly low, multiply the Ward number by 3 to get the ppm for S04.

The hardness is not a big problem. The alkalinity is. I buy RO water and add the appropriate brewing salts to get what I want for the beer I am brewing. If I diluted to get the alkalinity down, it would just about all be RO, so why bother with dilution.

 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: TrippleRippleBrewer on December 05, 2012, 12:06:46 AM
Thanks Jeff,
I've yet to try brewing any homebrew using RO and adding salts. I've been just brewing with this water and winging it, and wondering about it. I knew it was hard but didn't know much else until I finally had it tested.
Based on what you've told me, our city tap water is relatively useless for brewing.
I'm actually looking forward to brewing a beer using RO and additions now.

Thanks
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 05, 2012, 03:03:15 AM
Use a tool like Bru'nwater to calculate the salt additions when using RO. It helps me dial in for the beer I am brewing.

If you need some alkalinity, get some pickling lime. You can find it at a farm supply store in the canning section. I no longer use chalk, and baking soda only on occasion.

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: keithcfh11 on January 30, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
NW Pensacola, FL

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 101
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.17
Cations / Anions, me/L 1.7 / 1.7
ppm
Sodium, Na 4
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 25
Magnesium, Mg 2
Total Hardness, CaCO3 71
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.9 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2
Chloride, Cl 6
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 85
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 70
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: topher.bartos on January 30, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
Columbus, OH

pH 7.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 229
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.38
Cations / Anions, me/L 3.6 / 3.8
ppm

Sodium, Na 29
Potassium, K 5
Calcium, Ca 32
Magnesium, Mg 7
Total Hardness, CaCO3 109
Nitrate, NO3-N 2.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 26
Chloride, Cl 25
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 79
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 65

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: twhayes7 on February 13, 2013, 05:58:27 PM
Cleveland, Ohio


Just sent a bottle of tap to Ward Laboratories in Kearney, Nebraska. The water report is as follows:

pH   7.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est ppm   170
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm   0.28
Cations/Anions, me/L   3.0 / 2.7
    ppm
Sodium, Na   10
Potassium, K   1
Calcium, Ca   35
Magnesium, Mg   10
Total Hardness, CaCO3   129
Nitrate, NO3-N   0.3 (Safe)
Sulfate, SO4-S   12
Chloride, Cl   13
Carbonate, CO3   < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3   97
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3   80
Flouride, F   1.14
Total Iron, Fe   < 0.01

I’ve heard that the profile for Cleveland water differs in winter from summer. So, I may have to send off for another report later this year.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: philm63 on February 18, 2013, 03:49:43 PM
Sugar Hill, GA (North Gwinnett County), Tap Water sent to Ward Labs, February 2013

pH                                                         7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm          59
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm                0.10
Cations / Anions, me/L                              0.9 / 0.9

                                                            ppm
Sodium, Na                                             6
Potassium, K                                           2
Calcium, Ca                                            8
Magnesium, Mg                                       2
Total Hardness, CaCO3                             28
Nitrate, NO3-N                                        0.4 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S                                       2
Chloride, Cl                                            11
Carbonate, CO3                                     < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3                                  26
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3                             22
Total Phosphorus, P                                 0.69
Total Iron, Fe                                        < 0.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dls5492 on April 08, 2013, 12:05:04 AM
Cedar Falls, Iowa

Calcium: 71.60 ppm
Sulfate: 25.30 ppm
Magnesium: 23.20 ppm
Chloride: 20.70 ppm
Sodium: 9.28 ppm
Bicarbonate: 229.00 ppm
PH: 7.00   
   
 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: joe_feist on June 07, 2013, 10:09:50 PM
Cascade, MI just east of Grand Rapids. Well Water; no idea of the depth. I was really looking forward to the Ward's report. Now I kinda wish it had been lost in the mail. Ignorance was bliss. Glad I didn't drop any on my foot -

pH 9.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 389
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.65
Cations / Anions, me/L 6.8 / 7.0

Sodium, Na 60
Potassium, K 7
Calcium, Ca 13
Magnesium, Mg 40
Total Hardness, CaCO3 199
Nitrate, NO3-N 8.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 12
Chloride, Cl 99
Carbonate, CO3 37
Bicarbonate, HCO3 97
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 141
Total Phosphorus, P 0.47
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01

I had no idea drinking water could have a pH of 9.5.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: rainmaker on June 09, 2013, 08:54:16 PM
Chambersburg, PA

Unfortunately, I feel like this isn't what I need, but it was all I could find online.

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: punatic on June 10, 2013, 01:05:23 AM
Chambersburg, PA

Unfortunately, I feel like this isn't what I need, but it was all I could find online.


That looks like an excerpt from your annual Consumer Confidence Report. 

You're correct, that is not what you need.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 10, 2013, 01:38:19 AM
Chambersburg, PA

Unfortunately, I feel like this isn't what I need, but it was all I could find online.


Call them and see if they have the brewing ions you want. Be nice, and offer a 6 pack as a good will gesture.

If they don't have it or refuse, there is always Ward Labs. You can keep the results you paid for private.  :)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: blbvtec on June 10, 2013, 03:36:56 AM
Chambersburg, PA

Unfortunately, I feel like this isn't what I need, but it was all I could find online.

That's exactly what we have here in Carlisle too. I called they couldn't give me much of what we needed so I sent a sample off to Ward.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: punatic on June 10, 2013, 08:36:28 AM
Call them and see if they have the brewing ions you want. Be nice, and offer a 6 pack as a good will gesture.

Offering a bribe to a public sector official is pretty risky behavior, as is recommending doing so.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 10, 2013, 12:15:35 PM
Hmmm.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: rainmaker on June 11, 2013, 10:22:24 PM
No dice. Called the borough and they said they don't trade the "secondary" stuff.  Only bit I got was we have "very soft water" a 7.5 PH, and 10ppm on calcium.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 11, 2013, 11:51:09 PM
No dice. Called the borough and they said they don't trade the "secondary" stuff.  Only bit I got was we have "very soft water" a 7.5 PH, and 10ppm on calcium.
Send it to Ward Labs, specify test W-6.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Upstate Dan on July 12, 2013, 06:57:58 PM
Bethlehem, NY (7 miles from Albany)
June 2012

In ppm

Sodium: 24
Potassium: 2
Calcium: 53
Magnesium: 11
Total Hardness: 178
Nitrate: < 0.1
Sulfate: 6
Chloride: 48
Carbonate: < 1
Bicarbonate: 168
Total Alkalinity: 138
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Upstate Dan on July 12, 2013, 07:17:15 PM
I envy some of these water sources! I guess that's what distilled water is for.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: liquidbrewing on July 15, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
Panama City Beach, FL

Carbon filter through RV hose:     ( All parameters mg/L except where otherwise noted)

Sodium            5.9

Calcium            20

Magnesium         2.2

Potassium         .40

Carbonate  (Less than)      5.0

Bicarbonate         26

Chloride            9.2

Iron  (Less than)         .038

Sulfate            32

Nitrate  (Less than)         .022

Electrical Conductivity      173     (mmho/cm)

Est. Total Dissolved Solids      86

pH            5.26

Total Hardness  (Lime)      59 (est...)

Total Alkalinity         26

Total Phosphorus         .554

Let me know what you guys think.  My dark (black) beers are always killer, IPA's usually great, Pale ales, not so much.  ( Water, or recipe formulation?)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: punatic on July 16, 2013, 02:25:20 AM
I think your pH is very low for drinking water.  Perhaps a misprint?  At that pH there should be no alkalinity.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: aaronmillis on August 21, 2013, 05:41:54 PM
Helena, MT - NE Valley - Direct from Well Sample
Testing Performed by Ward Labs

pH 7.6

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 266

Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.44

Cations / Anions, me/L 5.0 /  4.8

Sodium, Na 35

Potassium, K 4

Calcium, Ca 49

Magnesium, Mg 11

Total Hardness, CaCO3 168

Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)

Sulfate, SO4-S 13

Chloride, Cl 12

Carbonate, CO3 < 1

Bicarbonate, HCO3 217

Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 178

Total Phosphorus, P 0.05

Total Iron, Fe < 0.01

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: brianbgarber on October 28, 2013, 02:45:54 PM
Gonna send off a water sample to Ward Labs... do you guys recommend pre or post softener water? I've used post softener water (just brewed a couple of batches in our new house) and I'm pretty happy with the results, but now I want to take my brewing to the next level... i.e. turn it up to "eleven" by treating my mash liquor.

******EDITED******
Here are the results for Beavercreek, OH, pre-softened and post-softened.

ParameterPre-softened     Post-softened
pH7.88.0
Total Dissolved Solids Est, ppm        442465
Electrical Conductivity0.740.77
Cations / Anions, me/L8.9/9.19.2/9.2
Sodium, Na19210
Potassium, K1<1
Calcium, Ca1021
Magnesium, Mg35<1
Total Hardness, CaCO34013
Nitrate, NO3-N<0.1<0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S1312
Chloride, Cl3434
Carbonate, CO3<19
Bicarbonate, HCO3447435
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3367372
Total Phosphorus, P<0.01<0.01
Total Iron, Fe0.010.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tschmidlin on November 01, 2013, 07:01:41 AM
If you are going to use the post softener water for brewing, send a sample of that.
If you are going to use the pre softener water for brewing, send a sample of that.
If you are thinking you might want to blend them, send samples of both.
If you are not sure which to use, send both.

Although the fact that you are using a softener at all makes me think you should be using RO water and building from there.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on November 19, 2013, 01:55:26 AM
That is a typical result. Only the Ca, Mg, and Na results really shift. Ion exchange softeners are very good at their job. 

PS: that unsoftened water has fairly high Mg. There is no need to ever add Mg to that water, so don't consider it. RO water would be a good addition to the brewing tools...just to reduce that Mg content.  The rest of the profile is OK...well excepting for the alkalinity that needs to be neutralized!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: brianbgarber on November 19, 2013, 01:45:42 PM
That is a typical result. Only the Ca, Mg, and Na results really shift. Ion exchange softeners are very good at their job. 

PS: that unsoftened water has fairly high Mg. There is no need to ever add Mg to that water, so don't consider it. RO water would be a good addition to the brewing tools...just to reduce that Mg content.  The rest of the profile is OK...well excepting for the alkalinity that needs to be neutralized!

Thank you for your insight Martin, your great article in the Nov/Dec '13 Zymurgy is what got me interested in looking into my brewing liquor. After working with the numbers on your spreadsheet I plan to use at least 50% RO from now on in my brews. So to help with the alkalinity, would you recommend using acid or just start with more RO?

P.S. I made a couple of beers with the softened tap water... no wonder my IPA tasted a bit harsh and salty! Lesson learned.

-Brian
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: klickitat jim on November 25, 2013, 11:56:13 PM
Klickitat Jim's Ward Report
PH 7.8
TDS 125
CAT/ANION 2.1/2.2

Sodium 8
Potassium 2
Calcium 17
Magnesium 10
Total hardness CoCO3 84
Nitrate .3
Sulfate <1
Chloride <1
Carbonate <1
Bicarbonate 130
Total alkaline 107
Total phosphorus .08
Total iron <.01

How's that?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 26, 2013, 12:14:06 AM
Klickitat Jim's Ward Report
PH 7.8
TDS 125
CAT/ANION 2.1/2.2

Sodium 8
Potassium 2
Calcium 17
Magnesium 10
Total hardness CoCO3 84
Nitrate .3
Sulfate <1
Chloride <1
Carbonate <1
Bicarbonate 130
Total alkaline 107
Total phosphorus .08
Total iron <.01

How's that?

That is pretty good water, except for the alkalinity, and that is not super high. You could brew many styles by adding some gypsum or CaCl2 to get the Ca and flavor ions. You might want to use acid or acidulated malt for very light beers. Use the water program of your choice to adjust for the beer you brew. I'm jealous of you guys in the PNW, for the quality of your water (you don't have Portland water, but it is pretty good).
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 26, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
+1 to the water envy. I wonder how much you could expect the water to change throughout the year in that area, with varying amounts of runoff from the mountains.  I know Jim's on a well though.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: klickitat jim on November 26, 2013, 01:00:29 AM
Mine seems pretty stable by taste and appearance year round but for a couple weeks each spring when it clouds up a bit.
I'll be having fun crunching numbers on brewers friend. I don't have excel for Brun water sadly.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 26, 2013, 01:08:58 AM
Definitely good water. Good for darker beers, and as Jeff said it might take a little acid (I use lactic) but not much for lighter beers.  It'd be easy to boost calcium and flavor ions with calcium chloride and/or gypsum. Beats running out for RO every brew day !
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 26, 2013, 01:14:09 AM
Beats running out for RO every brew day !

That is true!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: klickitat jim on November 26, 2013, 01:58:20 AM
Ran numbers for my light n malty, calls for 1 tsp lactic in the mash.
My IPA should get 1/2 tsp in sparge
Everything will need gypsum and IPA needs a lot. Calculator said 12g!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 26, 2013, 02:06:30 AM
Ran numbers for my light n malty, calls for 1 tsp lactic in the mash.
My IPA should get 1/2 tsp in sparge
Everything will need gypsum and IPA needs a lot. Calculator said 12g!
Sounds familiar for IPA ! You can use calcium chloride in a beer that you want to really show the malt in too.  Gypsum much more for hoppy beers of course.  Or a little of both for a balanced beer.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: kramerog on November 26, 2013, 02:19:28 AM

I'll be having fun crunching numbers on brewers friend. I don't have excel for Brun water sadly.

Brewer's friend should work fine.  The functionality is different but both Brewer's Friend and Bru'n water differentiate between base malts, caramel malts, and roasted malts.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: klickitat jim on November 26, 2013, 03:54:09 AM
Cool thanks
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jskiles on November 27, 2013, 05:08:37 PM
This is Schaumburg, Illinois city water which ultimately comes from Lake Michigan.  The samples are both post carbon block filter, and tested by Ward Labs.  Other Chicago area suburbs should not be too far off from this.

Parameter10/2010           10/2013
pH6.47.9
Total Dissolved Solids Est, ppm        100196
Electrical Conductivity0.170.33
Cations / Anions, me/L1.5/1.33.2/3.0
Sodium, Na88
Potassium, K11
Calcium, Ca836
Magnesium, Mg812
Total Hardness, CaCO353140
Nitrate, NO3-N0.10.2
Sulfate, SO4-S89
Chloride, Cl1314
Carbonate, CO3<1<1
Bicarbonate, HCO329123
Total Alkalinity, CaCO324101
Total Phosphorus, PN/A0.27
Total Iron, FeN/A<0.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on November 27, 2013, 05:26:41 PM
Wow, big variations!
Title: Schaumburg water report
Post by: kramerog on November 27, 2013, 06:44:18 PM
I've never seen a Chicago water report like 10/2010 and I have seen reports every few years going back about 20 years.  The 10/2013 report seems to be pretty typical.  I suppose the 10/2010 water could have been affected by a heavy rain.

Here are some links to Chicago's analysis: http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/water/WaterQltyResultsNRpts/ccReports/cca12a.pdf
http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/water/WaterQltyResultsNRpts/ccReports/cca11a.pdf
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jskiles on November 27, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
Yeah I was pretty surprised about the change too.  I'll probably test it again next year to see if it's more consistent  with the results I just got.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: weithman5 on November 27, 2013, 06:57:04 PM
Yeah I was pretty surprised about the change too.  I'll probably test it again next year to see if it's more consistent  with the results I just got.

i live in naperville and i think mine is pretty close to 2013.  i have the old ones some where and can compare.  i haven't really been checking them very closely
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: punatic on November 27, 2013, 10:12:55 PM
Sometimes different sources are blended, or not blended.  That could account for the difference.  Rainwater dilution seems unlikely.  If dilution were the reason for the drop in concentrations in 2010, the concentrations would change by close to the same ratio, which they did not. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: coastsidemike on December 07, 2013, 11:35:48 PM
This is a Ward report for softened well water; the location is about 15 miles south of San Francisco, in a hilly section about a half-mile from the ocean.

pH7.6
TDS Estppm 538
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm0.90
Cations / Anions, me/L8.2 / 8.2
Sodium, Na186
Potassium, K< 1
Calcium, Ca < 1
Magnesium, Mg< 1
Total Hardness, CaCO37
Nitrate, NO3-N5.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 10
Chloride, Cl 199
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 92
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 75
Total Phosphorus, P 0.04
Total Iron, Fe< 0.01

From taste, most of the Sodium and Chloride is from the softener.  I appreciate this thread as it's challenging me to learn water chemistry for brewing but really to get a grasp of the house well water as well (for things like skin care - need to drop the Ph).

Brew-wise, my darker beers taste great, my IPA hop aroma fades within 2 months, and I've never had a crisp snappy taste on anything like a Pilsner.  The one local pro brewer who has similar water is diluting half with RO and adding gypsum, advising to read up and use Bru'n Water.  The numbers make sense when using Martin's spreadsheet, it's nicely done.

Asking openly: 

What's your process for measuring mash Ph and adjusting?  Do you measure when the grist is added and/or adjust over time?

Decarbonating by boiling:  any advice on how long or how hot to heat the water?  My water heater puts out quite a bit of what looks like baking soda when I clean it, so I'm wondering if it makes sense to start decarbonating using the heated water as a source.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: klickitat jim on December 07, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
I'm just getting started in water too. I have been using the water calculator at Brewer's Friend. My pH was predicted perfectly, adjusted with lactic acid per the calculator recommendations. I measure pH with colorpHast strips.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 08, 2013, 12:50:05 AM
This is a Ward report for softened well water; the location is about 15 miles south of San Francisco, in a hilly section about a half-mile from the ocean.

pH7.6
TDS Estppm 538
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm0.90
Cations / Anions, me/L8.2 / 8.2
Sodium, Na186
Potassium, K< 1
Calcium, Ca < 1
Magnesium, Mg< 1
Total Hardness, CaCO37
Nitrate, NO3-N5.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 10
Chloride, Cl 199
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 92
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 75
Total Phosphorus, P 0.04
Total Iron, Fe< 0.01

From taste, most of the Sodium and Chloride is from the softener.  I appreciate this thread as it's challenging me to learn water chemistry for brewing but really to get a grasp of the house well water as well (for things like skin care - need to drop the Ph).

Brew-wise, my darker beers taste great, my IPA hop aroma fades within 2 months, and I've never had a crisp snappy taste on anything like a Pilsner.  The one local pro brewer who has similar water is diluting half with RO and adding gypsum, advising to read up and use Bru'n Water.  The numbers make sense when using Martin's spreadsheet, it's nicely done.

Asking openly: 

What's your process for measuring mash Ph and adjusting?  Do you measure when the grist is added and/or adjust over time?

Decarbonating by boiling:  any advice on how long or how hot to heat the water?  My water heater puts out quite a bit of what looks like baking soda when I clean it, so I'm wondering if it makes sense to start decarbonating using the heated water as a source.

Many thanks.
Your sodium is high, greater than 150 ppm. Very low Ca And Mg, so the softener works.

This might work for extract batches, but you are adding the minerals to the minerals in the extract.

Most say not to use the water from the heater.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Jimmy K on January 22, 2014, 09:41:11 PM
I just got my Ward Lab's report. This is town water for Felton, DE. Need to do something about that alkalinity!

Edit: To add a numbers from a 2012 Town water report.

Source                            Ward             Town Report
Date                               2014              2012

pH:                                 8.1                8
(TDS) ppm:                     340               366
Conductivity, mmho/cm:  0.57               ---
Cations / Anions, me/L:    6.3 / 6.8        ---

Sodium, Na:                    121               134
Potassium, K:                  9                   ---
Calcium, Ca:                   7                    ---
Magnesium, Mg:              6                    ---
Total Hardness, CaCO3:   43                  12.6
Nitrate, NO3-N                < 0.1 (SAFE)   ---
Sulfate, SO4-S:               3                    9.7
Chloride, Cl:                   14                   14.1
Carbonate, CO3:             9                     ---
Bicarbonate, HCO3:         358                 ---
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3:   309                 274
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dsidab81 on April 25, 2014, 05:04:25 PM
So while this post is in the opposite sense of the thread....I'm curious if any brewers could assist.
Shortly I will be moving to Minnetonka, MN, and I am curious if any brewers here have lucked upon a report from the city that has any useful values for water chemistry??

The only report I am finding for Minnetonka is the annual report, which is of basically no use for brewing!!
http://beta.eminnetonka.com/sites/default/files/documents/my-property/utilities/tap-water/quality/tap-water-quality-report-2013.pdf

http://beta.eminnetonka.com/my-property/utilities/tap-water/quality

Once i have those reports I'll follow up here.

***Edit to add Ward Labs tap water report***
pH                                                      8.0

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm       280

Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm             0.47

Cations / Anions, me/L                          5.1 / 5.9

                                                        ppm

Sodium, Na                                         6

Potassium, K                                       3

Calcium, Ca                                        57

Magnesium, Mg                                   23

Total Hardness, CaCO3                        238

Nitrate, NO3-N                                 < 0.1 (SAFE)

Sulfate, SO4-S                                   1

Chloride, Cl                                       10

Carbonate, CO3                                < 1

Bicarbonate, HCO3                            336

Total Alkalinity, CaCO3                       275

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Jimmy K on April 28, 2014, 05:05:32 PM
You might call the water dept and ask if they have info for other minerals. They may not put them in the report. I'd think they'd at least have hardness tested.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Dave King on July 10, 2014, 07:32:04 PM
Our water report is super poor, so I bought a LaMotte water test kit.  Here's what I get for Endicott, NY, about a week ago. 
Total Hardness, as CaCO3 = 170 ppm
Ca Hardness, as CaCO3 = 130 ppm
Mg Hardness, as CaCO3 = 40 ppm
Chloride = 60 ppm
Sulfate = 0 ppm
Total Alkalinity, as CaCO3 = 160 ppm
Residual Alkalinity, as CaCO3 = 117 ppm
Sodium = 35 ppm
pH = 7.6
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: morticaixavier on July 10, 2014, 07:34:33 PM
Our water report is super poor, so I bought a LaMotte water test kit.  Here's what I get for Endicott, NY, about a week ago. 
Total Hardness, as CaCO3 = 170 ppm
Ca Hardness, as CaCO3 = 130 ppm
Mg Hardness, as CaCO3 = 40 ppm
Chloride = 60 ppm
Sulfate = 0 ppm
Total Alkalinity, as CaCO3 = 160 ppm
Residual Alkalinity, as CaCO3 = 117 ppm
Sodium = 35 ppm
pH = 7.6

bet your stouts are good
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Dave King on July 10, 2014, 11:59:25 PM
Actually, my Imperial Stout does come out decent, but I'm trying to get a better IPA, which has been on the harsh side, so if I've got this right, I need to reduce my alkalinity, and boost my Ca and SO4. 

I was going to use Gypsum, Epsom Salts and Sulfuric Acid.  I can't find the latter, so I'm thinking of rebalancing, using Phosphoric acid.  I have a local Pro Brewer friend, who will help me, when I can break him free.  His beer's selling too good, so he's too busy right now. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: MIBeerGuy on August 01, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
Here is a copy of the 2013 City of Detroit Tap Water Mineral Analysis, released in May, 2014

(http://www.cyberdelphia.net/DetroitWater2013.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dkfick on August 01, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Here is Detroit (Berkley)water report I got done last year.
(http://crafthomebrewclub.org/forums/index.php?attachments/danp1-jpg.419/)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: e-dubb on August 02, 2014, 02:26:10 PM
as much as i lurked this forum...i finally decided to join!

Houston, TX (East Downtown)

results from 7/29/2014

pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 259
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.43
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.3 / 4.3
ppm
Sodium, Na 33
Potassium, K 6
Calcium, Ca 45
Magnesium, Mg 5
Total Hardness, CaCO3 133
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 15
Chloride, Cl 44
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 124
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 102
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on August 02, 2014, 03:38:58 PM
Welcome e-dubb and thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: banjo-guy on August 18, 2014, 07:17:28 PM
Here is my water. Port Washington,NY.

Now I have to figure out how to change it.

PH                                                     6.3
Total Dissolved Solids( TDS )Est. ppm     213
Electrical Conductivity mmho/cm           0.35
Cations/ Anions  me/L                        2.6/2.6

                                                        ppm
                                                     ----------
Sodium, NA                                          26

Potassium, K                                        28

Calcium, Ca                                          9

Magnesium,Mg                                      4

Total Hardness ,CaCo3                           39

Nitrate, NO3-N                                     2.5 ( safe )

Sulfate SO4-S                                        9

Chloride, Cl                                          47

Carbonate, CO3                                  < 1.0

Bicarbonate, HCO3                               33

Total Alkalinity, CaCo3                          27

Total Phosphorus, P                             0.72

Total Iron , Fe                                    0.04

Here is my report. ( copied from Ward Labs )
How does is it look?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on August 18, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
Looks pretty good to me.  Sodium seems kinda high, but I don't think it'll be problematic.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on September 11, 2014, 07:34:33 PM
Just moved and got my new report from Ward Labs. Might be time to consider an RO system...

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 413
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.69
Cations / Anions, me/L 9.1 / 8.9
ppm
Sodium, Na 17
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 106
Magnesium, Mg 36
Total Hardness, CaCO3 415
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 7
Chloride, Cl 27
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 466
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 383
Total Phosphorus, P 0.01
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on September 11, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
Just moved and got my new report from Ward Labs. Might be time to consider an RO system...

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 413
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.69
Cations / Anions, me/L 9.1 / 8.9
ppm
Sodium, Na 17
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 106
Magnesium, Mg 36
Total Hardness, CaCO3 415
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 7
Chloride, Cl 27
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 466
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 383
Total Phosphorus, P 0.01
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
That alkalinity is, well, impressive! That has mine beat!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on September 11, 2014, 09:14:52 PM
Just moved and got my new report from Ward Labs. Might be time to consider an RO system...

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 413
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.69
Cations / Anions, me/L 9.1 / 8.9
ppm
Sodium, Na 17
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 106
Magnesium, Mg 36
Total Hardness, CaCO3 415
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.8 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 7
Chloride, Cl 27
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 466
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 383
Total Phosphorus, P 0.01
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
That alkalinity is, well, impressive! That has mine beat!

Guess I'll start brewing dark beers.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: factory on September 12, 2014, 03:31:09 PM
My water report from Virginia Beach, VA.  We get our water from the Moore's Bridges Plant in Norfolk, VA, which in turn, is fed from Lake Gaston.

pH : 7.48
Na: 11.4
Ca: 17
Mg: 5.6
Cl: 16
SO4-S: 35.4
HCO3: 31.6
TA, CaCO3: 26
TH, CaCO3: 66
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 15, 2014, 06:42:38 PM
I am on a well system and just this spring I installed an RO system with a 20 gallon tank.  I draw off the RO water and keep it in typical 5 gallon water bottles that I seal up until brew day.  This may have been asked and answered in this thread already, but 19 pages of water reports made me jump in at the end...so the question:

My RO registers about 24-30 TDS on the meter I installed.  Is that low enough to just consider it as being 0 for the water calculators?  Or should I send it in for a test report to get the actual numbers for adjustment?  I use Martin's advanced Brunwater spreadsheet and I am just getting used to doing so (before I was just using bottled water for brewing and adding from the water report from the water delivery company, as necessary).

Any thoughts on TDS in that low range?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on September 16, 2014, 12:40:50 AM
My water report from Virginia Beach, VA.  We get our water from the Moore's Bridges Plant in Norfolk, VA, which in turn, is fed from Lake Gaston.

pH : 7.48
Na: 11.4
Ca: 17
Mg: 5.6
Cl: 16
SO4-S: 35.4
HCO3: 31.6
TA, CaCO3: 26
TH, CaCO3: 66

Pretty nice water. The SO4 might be high for some styles (multiply by 3 so it is 106.2 ppm) but still pretty darned nice.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on September 16, 2014, 12:43:05 AM
I am on a well system and just this spring I installed an RO system with a 20 gallon tank.  I draw off the RO water and keep it in typical 5 gallon water bottles that I seal up until brew day.  This may have been asked and answered in this thread already, but 19 pages of water reports made me jump in at the end...so the question:

My RO registers about 24-30 TDS on the meter I installed.  Is that low enough to just consider it as being 0 for the water calculators?  Or should I send it in for a test report to get the actual numbers for adjustment?  I use Martin's advanced Brunwater spreadsheet and I am just getting used to doing so (before I was just using bottled water for brewing and adding from the water report from the water delivery company, as necessary).

Any thoughts on TDS in that low range?
The RO I sent to Ward Labs came back at 12 ppm TDS. All of the brewing ions were listed as <1 ppm. Note sure if that answers your question, but that is the datum I have for RO water's TDS.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 16, 2014, 02:20:15 AM
I guess I can assume that the ppm for any critical mineral is very low or nearly absent and go from there!  Or I can shell out a few bucks to get the water report from Ward's to know more precisely what is being carried over.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: factory on September 16, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
My water report from Virginia Beach, VA.  We get our water from the Moore's Bridges Plant in Norfolk, VA, which in turn, is fed from Lake Gaston.

pH : 7.48
Na: 11.4
Ca: 17
Mg: 5.6
Cl: 16
SO4-S: 35.4
HCO3: 31.6
TA, CaCO3: 26
TH, CaCO3: 66

Pretty nice water. The SO4 might be high for some styles (multiply by 3 so it is 106.2 ppm) but still pretty darned nice.

Because I am new to adjusting my water, why do I multiply SO4 by three?  Is it because it is expressed as a certain value and therefore must be tripled in value to determine the true ppm value?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on September 16, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
My water report from Virginia Beach, VA.  We get our water from the Moore's Bridges Plant in Norfolk, VA, which in turn, is fed from Lake Gaston.

pH : 7.48
Na: 11.4
Ca: 17
Mg: 5.6
Cl: 16
SO4-S: 35.4
HCO3: 31.6
TA, CaCO3: 26
TH, CaCO3: 66

Pretty nice water. The SO4 might be high for some styles (multiply by 3 so it is 106.2 ppm) but still pretty darned nice.

Because I am new to adjusting my water, why do I multiply SO4 by three?  Is it because it is expressed as a certain value and therefore must be tripled in value to determine the true ppm value?

I am not a chemist, but here goes. Ward labs reports the Sulfur content, that is what the -S represents. The atomic weight of Sulfur is 32. The atomic weight of Oxygen is 16. So SO4 has a molecular weight of 32 + 4*16 = 96, or 3 times that of Sulfur. Probably more to it, but that works for this old engineer.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: factory on September 17, 2014, 10:54:47 AM
My water report from Virginia Beach, VA.  We get our water from the Moore's Bridges Plant in Norfolk, VA, which in turn, is fed from Lake Gaston.

pH : 7.48
Na: 11.4
Ca: 17
Mg: 5.6
Cl: 16
SO4-S: 35.4
HCO3: 31.6
TA, CaCO3: 26
TH, CaCO3: 66

Pretty nice water. The SO4 might be high for some styles (multiply by 3 so it is 106.2 ppm) but still pretty darned nice.

Because I am new to adjusting my water, why do I multiply SO4 by three?  Is it because it is expressed as a certain value and therefore must be tripled in value to determine the true ppm value?

I am not a chemist, but here goes. Ward labs reports the Sulfur content, that is what the -S represents. The atomic weight of Sulfur is 32. The atomic weight of Oxygen is 16. So SO4 has a molecular weight of 32 + 4*16 = 96, or 3 times that of Sulfur. Probably more to it, but that works for this old engineer.

Thanks!  After looking at my water report again, "Sulfate" is just reported as "Sulfate", not SO4-S.  So I guess I don't actually have to multiply by 3.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 30, 2014, 01:08:34 PM
this is why i installed an RO system.

my well water:

pH                                            8.0
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 283
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.47
Cations / Anions, me/L 5.3 / 5.4
ppm
Sodium, Na           114
Potassium, K          2
Calcium, Ca            4
Magnesium, Mg       1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 14
Nitrate, NO3-N          0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S          3
Chloride, Cl               3
Carbonate,CO3         6
Bicarbonate, HCO3      297
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3   253
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 30, 2014, 01:14:45 PM
this is why i installed an RO system.

my well water:

pH                                            8.0
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 283
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.47
Cations / Anions, me/L 5.3 / 5.4
ppm
Sodium, Na           114
Potassium, K          2
Calcium, Ca            4
Magnesium, Mg       1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 14
Nitrate, NO3-N          0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S          3
Chloride, Cl               3
Carbonate,CO3         6
Bicarbonate, HCO3      297
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3   253

High sodium, high bicarbonate. Does the city soften the water? Or maybe there is a baking soda mine in town?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 30, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
this is why i installed an RO system.

my well water:

pH                                            8.0
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 283
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.47
Cations / Anions, me/L 5.3 / 5.4
ppm
Sodium, Na           114
Potassium, K          2
Calcium, Ca            4
Magnesium, Mg       1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 14
Nitrate, NO3-N          0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S          3
Chloride, Cl               3
Carbonate,CO3         6
Bicarbonate, HCO3      297
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3   253

High sodium, high bicarbonate. Does the city soften the water? Or maybe there is a baking soda mine in town?

that's my well water-naturally soft, perhaps high concentrations of lime. its a deep well at 375 feet. good thing is no iron.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Hooper on November 02, 2014, 09:42:34 PM
Houston (Kingwood 01/15/14)

Ward Labs


pH 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 205
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.34
Cations / Anions, me/L 3.4 / 3.5
ppm
Sodium, Na 19
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 44
Magnesium, Mg 4
Total Hardness, CaCO3 127
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 4
Chloride, Cl 17
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 168
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 138
Total Phosphorus, P 0.48
Total Iron, Fe 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: homoeccentricus on November 24, 2014, 04:26:33 PM
Antwerp, Belgium, water:

Sodium, Na 33
Calcium, Ca 63
Magnesium, Mg 7.1
Sulfate, SO4 52
Chloride, Cl 46
Bicarbonate, HCO3 181
pH 8

Since I'm a total newbie: I added these values to http://www.brewersfriend.com/water-chemistry/, and it all seems within range for a porter/stout, with -37 for Ca2, and -3 for Cl. So I shouldn't add anything for a robust porter then?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dinoflatulate on December 09, 2014, 12:07:22 AM
Charleston, SC 2014 YTD

pH
Alkalinity
Turbidity
Color
Total Coliform (P/A)
HPC
Total Chlorine Res.
Temp
Fluoride
Chloride
Conductivity
TDS
Ammonia (Total)
Ammonia (Free)
Ortho-phosphate
Total Hardness*
Ca Hardness
THM
TOC
Silica
Sulfate
Sodium
Aluminum
Copper
Iron
Lead
Manganese
Calcium
Magnesiium
8.5
29
0.31
3

1
3.2
22
0.51
16
188
97
0.57
0.13
1.1
58
46
12
2.2
6.2
27
11
0.09
0.050
0.10
0.001
0.05
20
2.3
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: 69franx on December 09, 2014, 12:44:31 AM
Love the name, but that water report is a nightmare to read on a tablet. Minerals first, measurements below, at least on mine
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on January 31, 2015, 02:01:14 PM
Jacksonville, FL 2015 YTD (Water softener w/ charcoal filter installed)

pH-8.1
TDS-461
Cations/Anions- 7.2/7.4

Sodium-165 (ppm)
Potassium-<1
Calcium-1
Magnesium-<1
Total Hardness, CaCO3-3
Nitrate-<.1
Sulfate-58
Chloride-35
Carbonate-<1
Bicarbonate-168
Total Alkalinity-139
Total Phosphorus-.01
Total Iron-<.01

*Based on my limited knowledge so far of water chemistry, I think the high sodium and hardness are based off of the water softener. The pH looks high and I'm guessing I need to add calcium carbonate as a start.

I'm thinking I should have sent in a water sample with bypassed water softener water in it. Thoughts?

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 31, 2015, 02:47:05 PM
Jacksonville, FL 2015 YTD (Water softener w/ charcoal filter installed)

pH-8.1
TDS-461
Cations/Anions- 7.2/7.4

Sodium-165 (ppm)
Potassium-<1
Calcium-1
Magnesium-<1
Total Hardness, CaCO3-3
Nitrate-<.1
Sulfate-58
Chloride-35
Carbonate-<1
Bicarbonate-168
Total Alkalinity-139
Total Phosphorus-.01
Total Iron-<.01

*Based on my limited knowledge so far of water chemistry, I think the high sodium and hardness are based off of the water softener. The pH looks high and I'm guessing I need to add calcium carbonate as a start.

I'm thinking I should have sent in a water sample with bypassed water softener water in it. Thoughts?

Your water is soft with a total hardness of 3.  ;)

The high Na level is a problem. The Alkalinity is a problem.

I have often seen people say the water in Jacksonville is not so good for brewing. You might find some styles that you can brew with the unsoftened water. RO would be my choice, or dilute with RO. A program like Bru'nwater should help with the dilutions and targets.

Just so you know, I can dilute my water 1 gallon of tap water with 8 gallons of RO with low TDS (3 ppm) and end up with the treated Munich profile Martin had in Zymurgy not too long ago. It made it easy to adjust.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: dubois141 on February 10, 2015, 01:29:33 AM
Didn't go through all 20 pages to see if York, PA has been represented yet or not, but here it is:

n/a means it wasn't listed on the report

Link to report (4 pages worth of info):  https://www.yorkwater.com/quality.pdf (https://www.yorkwater.com/quality.pdf)

pH 8.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) 142.2
Conductivity - 210.2
Sodium, Na 13
Potassium, K n/a
Calcium, Ca 18.8
Magnesium, Mg 5.95
Total Hardness, CaCO3 85
Nitrate Nitrogen 4.06
Nitrite Nitrogen 0
Sulfate, SO4-S 18.1
Chloride, Cl 24.6
Carbonate, CO3 n/a
Bicarbonate, HCO3  n/a
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 43

Now...where do I begin to plan out my water conditioning for brewing? I have no idea what I'm looking at.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: kmccaf on February 19, 2015, 03:03:12 PM
Had my well tested out at the new place. Here it is for Champaign IL:

pH 7.8

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 362
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.60
Cations / Anions, me/L 6.7 / 7.0
ppm
Sodium, Na 66
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 39
Magnesium, Mg 22
Total Hardness, CaCO3 189
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl < 1
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 424
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 350
Total Phosphorus, P 0.03
Total Iron, Fe 0.25

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 19, 2015, 03:08:10 PM
Had my well tested out at the new place. Here it is for Champaign IL:

pH 7.8

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 362
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.60
Cations / Anions, me/L 6.7 / 7.0
ppm
Sodium, Na 66
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 39
Magnesium, Mg 22
Total Hardness, CaCO3 189
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl < 1
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 424
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 350
Total Phosphorus, P 0.03
Total Iron, Fe 0.25

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
That is pretty poor for brewing. Congratulations, it is even worse than mine.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: kmccaf on February 19, 2015, 03:10:08 PM
Had my well tested out at the new place. Here it is for Champaign IL:

pH 7.8

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 362
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.60
Cations / Anions, me/L 6.7 / 7.0
ppm
Sodium, Na 66
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 39
Magnesium, Mg 22
Total Hardness, CaCO3 189
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl < 1
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 424
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 350
Total Phosphorus, P 0.03
Total Iron, Fe 0.25

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
That is pretty poor for brewing. Congratulations, it is even worse than mine.

Indeed! I am going to get RO installed. I knew it was not going to be good before we moved in.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on February 21, 2015, 01:17:53 AM
I've listed my most recent report below in bold (water straight from tap). This is compared to my first water test (water ran through water softener).
Thoughts?

I can certainly smell the chlorine in the tap water, I'm considering just buying a cheap carbon filter or maybe just using tablets.

Finally, would this tap water profile work?

pH-8.1, 8.2
TDS-461, 449
Cations/Anions- 7.2/7.4, 7.7/7.7

Sodium-165 (ppm), 24
Potassium-<1, 3
Calcium-1, 67
Magnesium-<1, 38
Total Hardness (CaCO3) -3, 326
Nitrate-<.1, (same)
Sulfate-58, 61
Chloride-35, 38
Carbonate-<1 (same)
Bicarbonate-168, 174
Total Alkalinity-139, 144
Total Phosphorus-.01, <.01
Total Iron-<.01 (same)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: kramerog on February 21, 2015, 06:06:02 AM
Flbrewer, your magnesium is really high, perhaps too high
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on February 22, 2015, 10:40:37 PM
Flbrewer, your magnesium is really high, perhaps too high

What happens w. too high of magnesium? I'd really like to use my water as otherwise I have to keep buying gallons of distilled and adding back in stuff.

One other idea I had was to just buy spring or drinking water bottled.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 22, 2015, 11:11:20 PM
Flbrewer, your magnesium is really high, perhaps too high

What happens w. too high of magnesium? I'd really like to use my water as otherwise I have to keep buying gallons of distilled and adding back in stuff.

One other idea I had was to just buy spring or drinking water bottled.
RO water should be cheaper than distilled, and spring water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 22, 2015, 11:14:15 PM
Flbrewer, your magnesium is really high, perhaps too high

What happens w. too high of magnesium? I'd really like to use my water as otherwise I have to keep buying gallons of distilled and adding back in stuff.

One other idea I had was to just buy spring or drinking water bottled.
RO water should be cheaper than distilled, and spring water.

+1 to RO.  Cheaper and readily available in grocery stores with water machines.  I've been paying 39 cents/gallon lately.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: 69franx on February 22, 2015, 11:33:26 PM
That's what I pay too Jon. Super easy to build from
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 22, 2015, 11:34:05 PM
That's what I pay too Jon. Super easy to build from

Yep !
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: quattlebaum on February 23, 2015, 01:33:57 AM
Flbrewer, your magnesium is really high, perhaps too high

What happens w. too high of magnesium? I'd really like to use my water as otherwise I have to keep buying gallons of distilled and adding back in stuff.

One other idea I had was to just buy spring or drinking water bottled.
Interesting Flbrewer i have always wondered what the water was like in FL being that i am from there. I think i recall you live in Jupiter, FL? or Jacksonville? Anyway the Mg (Epsom Salt i believe)  is higher must be picking up some of that awesome salt water from the ocean:) Mg can make for a harsher bitterness i believe 0-40ppm is norm but above 100ppm i think can make you drop some serious mud if ya know what i mean (diarrhea). 
Title: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 02, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
I've listed my most recent report below in bold (water straight from tap). This is compared to my first water test (water ran through water softener).
Thoughts?

I can certainly smell the chlorine in the tap water, I'm considering just buying a cheap carbon filter or maybe just using tablets.

Finally, would this tap water profile work?

pH-8.1, 8.2
TDS-461, 449
Cations/Anions- 7.2/7.4, 7.7/7.7

Sodium-165 (ppm), 24
Potassium-<1, 3
Calcium-1, 67
Magnesium-<1, 38
Total Hardness (CaCO3) -3, 326
Nitrate-<.1, (same)
Sulfate-58, 61
Chloride-35, 38
Carbonate-<1 (same)
Bicarbonate-168, 174
Total Alkalinity-139, 144
Total Phosphorus-.01, <.01
Total Iron-<.01 (same)

So I'm curious about a couple of other options since my two above tests aren't stellar.
-mix of 50/50 tap and distilled would this lower the high magnesium)?
-tap water with a simple charcoal filter.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 02, 2015, 05:15:47 PM
I've listed my most recent report below in bold (water straight from tap). This is compared to my first water test (water ran through water softener).
Thoughts?

I can certainly smell the chlorine in the tap water, I'm considering just buying a cheap carbon filter or maybe just using tablets.

Finally, would this tap water profile work?

pH-8.1, 8.2
TDS-461, 449
Cations/Anions- 7.2/7.4, 7.7/7.7

Sodium-165 (ppm), 24
Potassium-<1, 3
Calcium-1, 67
Magnesium-<1, 38
Total Hardness (CaCO3) -3, 326
Nitrate-<.1, (same)
Sulfate-58, 61
Chloride-35, 38
Carbonate-<1 (same)
Bicarbonate-168, 174
Total Alkalinity-139, 144
Total Phosphorus-.01, <.01
Total Iron-<.01 (same)

So I'm curious about a couple of other options since my two above tests aren't stellar.
-mix of 50/50 tap and RO (would this lower the high magnesium)?
-tap water with a simple charcoal filter.

if it were me, id just go all RO and call it a day.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 02, 2015, 05:17:18 PM

I've listed my most recent report below in bold (water straight from tap). This is compared to my first water test (water ran through water softener).
Thoughts?

I can certainly smell the chlorine in the tap water, I'm considering just buying a cheap carbon filter or maybe just using tablets.

Finally, would this tap water profile work?

pH-8.1, 8.2
TDS-461, 449
Cations/Anions- 7.2/7.4, 7.7/7.7

Sodium-165 (ppm), 24
Potassium-<1, 3
Calcium-1, 67
Magnesium-<1, 38
Total Hardness (CaCO3) -3, 326
Nitrate-<.1, (same)
Sulfate-58, 61
Chloride-35, 38
Carbonate-<1 (same)
Bicarbonate-168, 174
Total Alkalinity-139, 144
Total Phosphorus-.01, <.01
Total Iron-<.01 (same)

So I'm curious about a couple of other options since my two above tests aren't stellar.
-mix of 50/50 tap and RO (would this lower the high magnesium)?
-tap water with a simple charcoal filter.

if it were me, id just go all RO and call it a day.
Yeah I've done that  while including gypsum and Calc Chl. Are you talking about just using plain RO?

My only though w tap was that you are gaining a lot of good minerals already there.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 02, 2015, 05:20:39 PM

I've listed my most recent report below in bold (water straight from tap). This is compared to my first water test (water ran through water softener).
Thoughts?

I can certainly smell the chlorine in the tap water, I'm considering just buying a cheap carbon filter or maybe just using tablets.

Finally, would this tap water profile work?

pH-8.1, 8.2
TDS-461, 449
Cations/Anions- 7.2/7.4, 7.7/7.7

Sodium-165 (ppm), 24
Potassium-<1, 3
Calcium-1, 67
Magnesium-<1, 38
Total Hardness (CaCO3) -3, 326
Nitrate-<.1, (same)
Sulfate-58, 61
Chloride-35, 38
Carbonate-<1 (same)
Bicarbonate-168, 174
Total Alkalinity-139, 144
Total Phosphorus-.01, <.01
Total Iron-<.01 (same)

So I'm curious about a couple of other options since my two above tests aren't stellar.
-mix of 50/50 tap and RO (would this lower the high magnesium)?
-tap water with a simple charcoal filter.

if it were me, id just go all RO and call it a day.
Yeah I've done that  while including gypsum and Calc Chl. Are you talking about just using plain RO?

My only though w tap was that you are gaining a lot of good minerals already there.

city water fluctuation can cause you continual frustration. if i was already needing to partially use RO, i'd use ALL RO because i always have a really good idea of my base-adding all brewing salts as needed per beer recipe.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 02, 2015, 05:24:32 PM
Even cut 50/50, the Mg levels would still be fairly high.  +1 to all RO - lots of people here go that route.
Title: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 02, 2015, 05:58:10 PM
I'll stick to distilled, unfortunately the only large refillable water I see is purified and drinking at local Wal Marts.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 02, 2015, 06:01:24 PM
I'll stick to RO, unfortunately the only large refillable water I see is purified and drinking at local Wal Marts.

if it becomes a hassle, look at getting a unit installed. i like having mine and glad i did it.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 02, 2015, 06:03:25 PM
Around here, the stores let you fill in 1 gallon milk-type jugs.  It's what I use. Kind of a pain to fill 10, but it's worth it when I tap the keg.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 02, 2015, 06:04:47 PM
Correction...just called the "Primo" customer service and it is indeed a RO water system even though it says drinking. They also mentioned they add a trace amount of minerals for taste. Bingo. At least I can save some money on 10 gallons of water now.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 02, 2015, 06:06:24 PM
Correction...just called the "Primo" customer service and it is indeed a RO water system even though it says drinking. They also mentioned they add a trace amount of minerals for taste. Bingo. At least I can save some money on 10 gallons of water now.

just grab tds meter if you dont have one and check their water each time.
Title: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 02, 2015, 06:09:05 PM
Ok the search continues. I don't see how this is a deal at $6.50 per 5 gallons. Back to single gallons of distilled for .88.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 02, 2015, 06:17:16 PM
I'd look around at other stores.  I pay 39 cents/gal @ Meijer.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 02, 2015, 06:18:35 PM
Ok the search continues. I don't see how this is a deal at $6.50 per 5 gallons. Back to single gallons of distilled for .88.

doesn't publix carry the RO machines?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 02, 2015, 09:19:53 PM
Ok the search continues. I don't see how this is a deal at $6.50 per 5 gallons. Back to single gallons of distilled for .88.

doesn't publix carry the RO machines?

Yes they do...not sure what the heck I was thinking. They do offer .30 refills on gallons of RO water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 02, 2015, 09:21:21 PM
Ok the search continues. I don't see how this is a deal at $6.50 per 5 gallons. Back to single gallons of distilled for .88.

doesn't publix carry the RO machines?

Yes they do...not sure what the heck I was thinking. They do offer .30 refills on gallons of RO water.

there you go, now you're in business !
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 02, 2015, 09:22:19 PM
Ok the search continues. I don't see how this is a deal at $6.50 per 5 gallons. Back to single gallons of distilled for .88.

doesn't publix carry the RO machines?

Yes they do...not sure what the heck I was thinking. They do offer .30 refills on gallons of RO water.

there you go, now you're in business !
I just needed to talk it through ad-naseum before I (you) figured it out.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 02, 2015, 09:23:44 PM
Ok the search continues. I don't see how this is a deal at $6.50 per 5 gallons. Back to single gallons of distilled for .88.

doesn't publix carry the RO machines?

Yes they do...not sure what the heck I was thinking. They do offer .30 refills on gallons of RO water.

there you go, now you're in business !
I just needed to talk it through ad-naseum before I (you) figured it out.

im here for the benefit of the people....  ::)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: jtoots on April 16, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
Waltham, MA:
pH-8.9
TDS-123
Cations/Anions-1.8/1.7

Sodium-32
Potassium-<1
Calcium-5
Magnesium-1
Total Hardness (CaCO3)-17
Nitrate-0.2
Sulfate-3
Chloride-25
Carbonate-2.3
Bicarbonate-46
Total Alkalinity-42
Total Phosphorus-<.01
Total Iron-.58

Now on to understanding Brunwater and a whole new realm of learning!!!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mharding73 on May 01, 2015, 03:38:09 AM
pH 8.2
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 442
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.74
Cations / Anions, me/L 8.7 / 9.1
ppm
Sodium, Na 140
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 26
Magnesium, Mg 15
Total Hardness, CaCO3 128
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl 17
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 520
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 433
Total Phosphorus, P 0.71
Total Iron, Fe 0.01

Any thoughts on a Hoppy Beer?  Been adding Gypsum and a little acidity to lower PH.  Running water through a filter too.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 01, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
pH 8.2
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 442
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.74
Cations / Anions, me/L 8.7 / 9.1
ppm
Sodium, Na 140
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 26
Magnesium, Mg 15
Total Hardness, CaCO3 128
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.3 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S < 1
Chloride, Cl 17
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 520
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 433
Total Phosphorus, P 0.71
Total Iron, Fe 0.01

Any thoughts on a Hoppy Beer?  Been adding Gypsum and a little acidity to lower PH.  Running water through a filter too.
That alkalinity is huge, so you would need a lot of acid to reduce it.

Sodium is pretty high, has it been through a softener?

Adding gypsum won't hurt anything. Your SO4 is very low.

Where are you from? Local geology has a great impact on water. Well or surface water?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mharding73 on May 01, 2015, 03:37:20 PM
City water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 01, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
Wow.   +1 to sodium being high and alkalinity being extra so.  I would use RO water to have a good base to build on. It's what I do.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mharding73 on May 01, 2015, 03:41:23 PM
Mix or all RO?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 01, 2015, 03:44:35 PM
Mix or all RO?

I use all RO, then build up to desired profiles in Bru'nwater.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 01, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
yeah thats even worse than my well water sodium and bicarb!

RO all the way.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mharding73 on May 01, 2015, 04:12:10 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 01, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
I use all RO, or blend a small amount of tap water back in.

Some cities treat the water in different ways. Mine removes iron. Others lime soften the water. You might ask what they do to the water before it is pumped out.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: toby on May 07, 2015, 01:21:28 PM
Here's my local water.  Pretty much sodium and alkalinity.  Not much else.  lol

pH 8.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 217
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.36
Cations / Anions, me/L 3.7 / 4.1
ppm
Sodium, Na 79
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 3
Magnesium, Mg < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 12
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2
Chloride, Cl 17
Carbonate, CO3 9
Bicarbonate, HCO3 191
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 172
Total Phosphorus, P 0.62
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: toby on May 10, 2015, 05:08:15 AM
Incidentally, this is our water source info:
http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/wri834189
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: sunrisebrewing on October 21, 2015, 04:13:06 PM
Here is my water report from Ward Labs, April 2014. Well water in East Central MN, Chisago County. Similar to other posters, my water make dynamite stouts, and my amber are pretty good, but when I try to go to IPAs and Pale Ales, it is hit and miss. Trying to understand the water chemistry and mash additions. -Eric

pH 8.3
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 221
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.37
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.3 / 4.8
ppm
Sodium, Na 4
Potassium, K < 1
Calcium, Ca 55
Magnesium, Mg 16
Total Hardness, CaCO3 204
Nitrate, NO3-N 2.6 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 3
Chloride, Cl 7
Carbonate, CO3 9
Bicarbonate, HCO3 238
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 211
Total Phosphorus, P 0.02
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narcout on October 21, 2015, 06:42:31 PM
Similar to other posters, my water make dynamite stouts, and my amber are pretty good, but when I try to go to IPAs and Pale Ales, it is hit and miss. Trying to understand the water chemistry and mash additions. -Eric

For those paler beer styles you are going to want to reduce the alkalinity of your water to keep your mash pH from climbing too high.  The easiest thing is probably to cut it with RO or distilled and then add minerals back as necessary (for IPAs and APAs you will want to bump the sulfates up with some gypsum).

Check out Bru'n Water if you don't have a copy already, and read the Water Knowledge tab.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: johna1966 on November 10, 2015, 12:01:44 AM
Birmingham, Alabama Water Works Board Report 2014

Ca+2 = 59
Mg+2 = 8
Na+ = 8
CI- = 8
SO4-2 = 67
Alkanlinity HCO3 = 90
pH = 7.7

This is an area that I am not up to speed on.  Anyone want to tell me if this is a good profile or not?  Currently I use 1 ground campden tablet & 1 tbl sp pH5.2 in strike & sparge water on brew day.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: morticaixavier on November 10, 2015, 04:47:33 PM
Birmingham, Alabama Water Works Board Report 2014

Ca+2 = 59
Mg+2 = 8
Na+ = 8
CI- = 8
SO4-2 = 67
Alkanlinity HCO3 = 90
pH = 7.7

This is an area that I am not up to speed on.  Anyone want to tell me if this is a good profile or not?  Currently I use 1 ground campden tablet & 1 tbl sp pH5.2 in strike & sparge water on brew day.

I'll take a swing, I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a..., well anyway.

It looks pretty good as a base for a lot of styles low RA and pretty moderate amount of calcium and sulfate. You have room to add a lot of that stuff or leave it as is. You could dilute 50/50 with RO to get a pretty close to perfect pilsen water I think.

Others will more knowledge will correct me.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Indy574 on November 10, 2015, 11:46:58 PM
Here's my town water which I soften. Tested by Ward Laboratory on 09/08/2014

pH 7.7
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 495
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.82
Cations / Anions, me/L 9.2 / 9.1
               ppm
Sodium, Na 186
Potassium, K <1
Calcium, Ca 13
Magnesium, Mg 5
Total Hardness, CaCO3 53
Nitrate, NO3-N  0.6 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 21
Chloride, Cl 26
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 427
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 352
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narcout on November 11, 2015, 12:26:07 AM
Man, that is a lot of sodium and a lot of alkalinity.

What does your water look like before it goes through the softener?  You might want to skip it for brewing and then dilute with RO or distilled to cut alkalinity as necessary. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 11, 2015, 12:33:46 AM
Yeah, that softened water has a ton of Na, even for softened.  Of course the alkalinity and bicarbonate are through the roof. Most water in this area (and big parts of the Midwest) is just plain s^*t for brewing most styles. I made RO my friend.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Indy574 on November 12, 2015, 12:19:01 AM
Man, that is a lot of sodium and a lot of alkalinity.

What does your water look like before it goes through the softener?  You might want to skip it for brewing and then dilute with RO or distilled to cut alkalinity as necessary.

I haven't tested it before the softener but I have been diluting with 50/50 water to distilled. I got a bunch of RO from work to try it. Of course I don't have any info on the mineral content but I purchased a TDS tester to check it.
I may adjust my softener down a bit, but won't really know where it's at unless I retest. Which is a waste of money since my alkalinity/bicarbonate is stupid crazy. My plans are to get a RO system for the house.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: smkranz on November 12, 2015, 02:21:39 AM
Westminster, Maryland municipal tap water.

Test results from Ward Labs, from July 2015.  The sample was taken from the output of a carbon filter to strip the chlorine.

pH 7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 462
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.77
Cations / Anions, me/L 7.0 / 7.7

ppm:

Sodium, Na 33
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 81
Magnesium, Mg 17
Total Hardness, CaCO3 273
Nitrate, NO3-N 3.6 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 6
Chloride, Cl 118
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 229
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 188
Total Phosphorus, P 0.13
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: EnkAMania on November 13, 2015, 02:38:39 AM
Seattle (North Beach)

pH 7.1
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 55
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.09
Cations / Anions, me/L 0.7 / 0.8
ppm
Sodium, Na 2
Potassium, K 4
Calcium, Ca 9
Magnesium, Mg < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 27
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 4
Chloride, Cl 4
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 27
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 22
Total Phosphorus, P 0.55
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 13, 2015, 02:46:06 AM
Seattle (North Beach)

pH 7.1
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 55
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.09
Cations / Anions, me/L 0.7 / 0.8
ppm
Sodium, Na 2
Potassium, K 4
Calcium, Ca 9
Magnesium, Mg < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 27
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 4
Chloride, Cl 4
Carbonate, CO3 < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3 27
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 22
Total Phosphorus, P 0.55
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
Nice water, I am envious.




Westminster, Maryland municipal tap water.

Test results from Ward Labs, from July 2015.  The sample was taken from the output of a carbon filter to strip the chlorine.

pH 7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 462
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.77
Cations / Anions, me/L 7.0 / 7.7

ppm:

Sodium, Na 33
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 81
Magnesium, Mg 17
Total Hardness, CaCO3 273
Nitrate, NO3-N 3.6 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 6
Chloride, Cl 118
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 229
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 188
Total Phosphorus, P 0.13
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit

Not as nice.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Whiskers on November 19, 2015, 12:06:38 AM
Santa Cruz Mountains, CA. 2500'elevation.  The three numbers are well water (200'), household softened water, and RO water (RO unit filters well water - I know that this isn't the best for the membrane, but I'm paranoid about residual sodium in the RO affecting some epiphytes that I water with it).  I only use water built from the RO for brewing. 

7.4          7.3           6.1           pH
412         409           7             TDS, ppm
0.69        0.68          0.01         EC, mmho/cm
8.1/8.2    7.3/8.0      0.1/0.4     Cations/Anions, me/L

15          112           1             Na
3            5              <1          K
119         35            1            Ca
17          7              <1          Mg
368        117           3            Total Hardness, CaCO3
<0.1      <0.1          <0.1       NO3-N
21         21             <1          SO4-S
11         11             <1          Cl
<1.0      <1.0         <1.0        CO3
401        389          25           HCO3
329        319          21           Total Alk, CaCO3
0.01       0.02         <0.01      P
0.13       0.06         <0.01      Fe
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Ethan J on December 03, 2015, 03:47:14 PM
Arlington, VA

pH - 8.0
TDS - 274
Conductivity - 0.46
Cations/Anions, me/L - 4.6/4.7

Sodium, Na - 26
Potassium, K - 4
Calcium, Ca - 49
Magnesium, Mg - 12
Total Hardness, CaCO3 - 173
Nitrate, NO3-N - 1.0
Sulfate, SO4-S - 18
Chloride, Cl - 41
Carbonate, CO3 - <1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 - 141
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 - 117
Total Phosphorus, P - 0.80
Total Iron, Fe - 0.07
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Pinto on December 13, 2015, 04:08:57 PM
Brookfield, CT carbon filtered municipal treated well water.


pH 7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 4548
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 7.58
Cations / Anions, me/L 7.7 / 7.8

ppm:

Sodium, Na 29
Potassium, K 3
Calcium, Ca 76
Magnesium, Mg 30
Total Hardness, CaCO3 315
Nitrate, NO3-N 1.4 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 7
Chloride, Cl 82
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 299
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 247
Total Phosphorus, P 0.21
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit


Installed an RO system and sent new sample to Ward Labs:

pH 7.2
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 42
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.07
Cations / Anions, me/L 0.7 / 0.7

ppm:

Sodium, Na 8
Potassium, K 1
Calcium, Ca 4
Magnesium, Mg 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3 14
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.5 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S <1
Chloride, Cl 9
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 19
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 16

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: JJeffers09 on December 14, 2015, 03:57:32 PM
Just got this back, but I don't know the conversions from mg/L and ug/L for ppm or ppb or ppt,  So I got a report but can't make out exactly what I want out of it... your thoughts

pH 7.4
Total Hardness [CaCO3] 340 mg/L
Fluoride [F-] .87 mg/L
Sodium [Na] 1.12 mg/L
Iron [Fe] 0.143 mg/L
Manganese [Mn]  .011 mg/L
HAA5 .93 mg/L (additive for microbes)
Lead [Pb] 2ug/L
Copper [Cu] 1.199 mg/L
Nitrate [NO3-] .22 mg/L
Chlorine [Cl] .83 mg/L
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 14, 2015, 04:28:20 PM
Just got this back, but I don't know the conversions from mg/L and ug/L for ppm or ppb or ppt,  So I got a report but can't make out exactly what I want out of it... your thoughts

pH 7.4
Total Hardness [CaCO3] 340 mg/L
Fluoride [F-] .87 mg/L
Sodium [Na] 1.12 mg/L
Iron [Fe] 0.143 mg/L
Manganese [Mn]  .011 mg/L
HAA5 .93 mg/L (additive for microbes)
Lead [Pb] 2ug/L
Copper [Cu] 1.199 mg/L
Nitrate [NO3-] .22 mg/L
Chlorine [Cl] .83 mg/L

Just use mg/L=ppm, ug/L=ppb, close enough for beer brewing.

You report is missing the important brewing ions. Look at the Ward Labs reports for what ions you want to know but don't have. Yo do have sodium, Na.

Ca, Mg, Chloride, SO4, HCO3 (bicarbonate) are what you want to know for brewing.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: anykine on December 20, 2015, 12:42:34 AM
Water Report for Sonoma, California
November 2015

Note: This is NOT in the City - this is from a home served by the Valley of the Moon Water District. 

Taken from tap at home near Verano and Highway 12

Parts per million (ppm)

pH   8.5
TDS Est   183
EC   0.31
Cations   3.4
Anions   3.8
Sodium   22
Calcium   24
Magnesium   16
Potassium   1
Total Hardness   127
Nitrate   0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfur (SO4-S) 5  (see note*)
CO3   3.4
HCO3   199
Chloride   5
Total Alkalinity   168
   
* NOTE:  This is a Ward Labs Report. Ward Labs reports Sulfate as Sulfur (SO4-S) so you must multiply by that by 3 to get SO4!.  So 5 x 3 = 15; use 15 in your calculations.
   
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: martinj on January 28, 2016, 07:23:21 PM
Here's mine:


Location : Clearwater, Idaho (rural) from a stand pipe directly out of my private well @220'

pH       7.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm      153
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm     0.25
Cations / Anions, me/L    2.9 / 2.6ppm
Sodium, Na     13
Potassium, K     3
Calcium, Ca     21
Magnesium, Mg     10
Total Hardness, CaCO3     94
Nitrate, NO3-N      0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S     2
Chloride, Cl     < 1
Carbonate, CO3     < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3     166
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3     137
Total Phosphorus, P     0.08
Total Iron, Fe     < 0.01

From a Ward Labs report

This water works as a good base for just about everything I've brewed with the exception of light lagers and pilsners, which require considerable dilution with distilled water to get in the ballpark before chemical and acid additions.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Rhoobarb on March 22, 2016, 04:21:40 PM
Here's my water profile for Gainesville, GA (Lake Lanier area). It's a pretty "clean slate":

pH: 7.6
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm: 56
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm: 0.09
Cations / Anions, me/L: 0.8 / 0.7
ppm
Sodium, Na: 6
Potassium, K: 4
Calcium, Ca: 6
Magnesium, Mg: 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3: 19
Nitrate, NO3-N: 0.4 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S: 3
Chloride, Cl: 6
Carbonate, CO3: < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3: 19
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3: 16
Total Phosphorus, P: 0.14
Total Iron, Fe: < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit

From a Ward Labs report. I've been told by the city that the profile doesn't change month to month or seasonally like some places do.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: flbrewer on March 30, 2016, 08:28:17 PM
Got this recently...can't figure out how my sodium is so damn high! I ensured that I bypassed my water softener and ran the water for about 5 minutes. This is city tap water filtered through a Pur filtering device.

pH- 8.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm-503
Cations / Anions, me/L- 8.1/8.6
Sodium, Na- 179
Potassium, K- 12
Calcium, Ca Magnesium, Mg- 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3- 3
Nitrate, NO3-N- < 1
Sulfate, SO4-S- 58
Chloride, Cl- 52
Carbonate, CO3- 9.4
Bicarbonate, HCO3- 195
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3- 173
Total Phosphorus, P- .82
Total Iron, Fe- .02
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 01, 2016, 02:43:42 AM
Got this recently...can't figure out how my sodium is so damn high! I ensured that I bypassed my water softener and ran the water for about 5 minutes. This is city tap water filtered through a Pur filtering device.

pH- 8.9
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm-503
Cations / Anions, me/L- 8.1/8.6
Sodium, Na- 179
Potassium, K- 12
Calcium, Ca Magnesium, Mg- 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3- 3
Nitrate, NO3-N- < 1
Sulfate, SO4-S- 58
Chloride, Cl- 52
Carbonate, CO3- 9.4
Bicarbonate, HCO3- 195
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3- 173
Total Phosphorus, P- .82
Total Iron, Fe- .02
Your Ca and Mg are very low, NA high. Looks like it was softened. Does the city soften? Can they give you any data on hardness?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: philm63 on May 13, 2016, 02:52:37 PM
New house, new water, not good - help?

pH - 8.3
TDS - 532 ppm
Na - 140 ppm
K - 3 ppm
Ca - 32 ppm
Mg - 13 ppm
Total Hardness (CaCO3) - 134 ppm
Nitrate (NO3-N) - <0.1
Sulfate (SO4-S) - 89 ppm
Cl - 46 ppm
CO3 - 1.2 ppm
HCO3 - 117 ppm
CaCO3 - 98 ppm
P - 0.57 ppm
Total Iron - <0.1

The sodium is quite high - can't (don't want to) brew with this stuff! Should I just buy RO and build it myself?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 13, 2016, 02:55:51 PM
New house, new water, not good - help?

pH - 8.3
TDS - 532 ppm
Na - 140 ppm
K - 3 ppm
Ca - 32 ppm
Mg - 13 ppm
Total Hardness (CaCO3) - 134 ppm
Nitrate (NO3-N) - <0.1
Sulfate (SO4-S) - 89 ppm
Cl - 46 ppm
CO3 - 1.2 ppm
HCO3 - 117 ppm
CaCO3 - 98 ppm
P - 0.57 ppm
Total Iron - <0.1

The sodium is quite high - can't (don't want to) brew with this stuff! Should I just buy RO and build it myself?


Yeah, the Na is pretty high. Personally I'd go with RO.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: blair.streit on May 13, 2016, 03:00:58 PM
New house, new water, not good - help?

pH - 8.3
TDS - 532 ppm
Na - 140 ppm
K - 3 ppm
Ca - 32 ppm
Mg - 13 ppm
Total Hardness (CaCO3) - 134 ppm
Nitrate (NO3-N) - <0.1
Sulfate (SO4-S) - 89 ppm
Cl - 46 ppm
CO3 - 1.2 ppm
HCO3 - 117 ppm
CaCO3 - 98 ppm
P - 0.57 ppm
Total Iron - <0.1

The sodium is quite high - can't (don't want to) brew with this stuff! Should I just buy RO and build it myself?


Yeah, the Na is pretty high. Personally I'd go with RO.
+1. Someone better at this might be able to give you a mitigation strategy, but even if you diluted that by 50% or 75% your sodium would be high enough that you'd need to avoid any treatments that add sodium. All RO opens up a lot more options, and once you're diluting beyond 50% why bother unless there's something in the source water that you DO want.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: zwiller on May 13, 2016, 03:08:37 PM
+2;  Looks like softened water to me.  If that is tap I'd lease a decent RO system for drinking/cooking with some access for brewing.  Na appears 3x recommended limit of EPA.  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjgoousqdfMAhVHGz4KHfGcDrkQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.epa.gov%2Fsites%2Fproduction%2Ffiles%2F2014-09%2Fdocuments%2Fsupport_cc1_sodium_dwreport.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF44Ubt5bL_qUbnEJJqS-tSu5G3Xw&cad=rja (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjgoousqdfMAhVHGz4KHfGcDrkQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.epa.gov%2Fsites%2Fproduction%2Ffiles%2F2014-09%2Fdocuments%2Fsupport_cc1_sodium_dwreport.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF44Ubt5bL_qUbnEJJqS-tSu5G3Xw&cad=rja)

I would do some due diligence here. 
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: philm63 on May 19, 2016, 06:43:11 PM
+2;  Looks like softened water to me.  If that is tap I'd lease a decent RO system for drinking/cooking with some access for brewing.  Na appears 3x recommended limit of EPA.  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjgoousqdfMAhVHGz4KHfGcDrkQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.epa.gov%2Fsites%2Fproduction%2Ffiles%2F2014-09%2Fdocuments%2Fsupport_cc1_sodium_dwreport.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF44Ubt5bL_qUbnEJJqS-tSu5G3Xw&cad=rja (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjgoousqdfMAhVHGz4KHfGcDrkQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.epa.gov%2Fsites%2Fproduction%2Ffiles%2F2014-09%2Fdocuments%2Fsupport_cc1_sodium_dwreport.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF44Ubt5bL_qUbnEJJqS-tSu5G3Xw&cad=rja)

I would do some due diligence here.

That's an interesting thought - I did reach out to the water company and I have their water report coming soon - be interesting to see how it compares to my report from Ward Labs...

EDIT - Forgot to add location; Plain City, OH (Jerome Village - brand new development)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Hand of Dom on May 20, 2016, 03:17:54 PM
Chesterfield, Derbyshire:

Sodium: 28.81mg Na/l

Calcium as CaCO3: 85.42mg/l

Magnesium as CaCO3:  24.38 mg/L

Iron: 21.30 ug Fe/l

Sulphate: 63.62 mg SO4/l

Chloride: 28.86mg Cl/l

Nitrate as NO3: 06.62mg NO3/l

Nitrite: 0

Fluoride: 0.43mg F/l

Alkalinity as CaCO3: 55.52 mg CaCO3/l

PH: 7.66
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: JJeffers09 on August 20, 2016, 06:11:42 PM
All values in parts per million (ppm) except pH


Total Alkalinity 184

Residual Alkalinity 71

Total Hardness 570 

Calcium 221

Magnesium 349

Sulfate 54

Chloride 106

Sodium 109

pH 7.8

Total Chlorine .05

Free Chlorine 0

Chloramine .05

What's wrong with this report? Brunwater gives me an error

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Title: Re: Post your water report, Medford, Wisconsin
Post by: flars on August 20, 2016, 06:45:32 PM
Eight miles ENE of Medford, Wisconsin

pH 7.4
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 221
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.37
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.0 / 4.0
ppm
Sodium,                      Na 8
Potassium,                  K < 1
Calcium,                     Ca 45
Magnesium,                Mg 17
Total Hardness,           CaCO3 183
Nitrate,                      NO3-N 2.9 (SAFE)
Sulfate,                      SO4-S 4
Chloride,                    Cl 34
Carbonate,                 CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate,               HCO3 156
Total Alkalinity,           CaCO3 128
Total Phosphorus,        P 0.05
Total Iron,                  Fe < 0.01
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: PORTERHAUS on August 20, 2016, 07:50:39 PM
This is a Ward Labs report from a few years ago. Pretty stable Lake Michigan sourced NW Indiana water. What do you all think of it?

Ca: 35ppm
Mg: 12ppm
Na: 8ppm
Cl: 18ppm
So4: 24ppm

Alk: 106
Bicarbonate: 128
ph: ~8
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 21, 2016, 12:24:35 PM
All values in parts per million (ppm) except pH


Total Alkalinity 184

Residual Alkalinity 71

Total Hardness 570

Calcium 221

Magnesium 349

Sulfate 54

Chloride 106

Sodium 109

pH 7.8

Total Chlorine .05

Free Chlorine 0

Chloramine .05

What's wrong with this report? Brunwater gives me an error

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There are a lot of cations (+ charge), and the bicarbonate anion is missing. The electrical charges should balance, but without some of the ions included it won't.

The Calcium and Magneasium values are so high I would question those and the total hardness.

Where is the report from?

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 21, 2016, 12:29:04 PM
This is a Ward Labs report from a few years ago. Pretty stable Lake Michigan sourced NW Indiana water. What do you all think of it?

Ca: 35ppm
Mg: 12ppm
Na: 8ppm
Cl: 18ppm
So4: 24ppm

Alk: 106
Bicarbonate: 128
ph: ~8

It looks like water from a Great Lake - they are all look similar.

Good for Amber-ish to brownish beers. You need to cut with RO or distilled water for light colored lagers or ales.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Steve L on August 21, 2016, 01:59:28 PM
Finally got around to picking up the Lamotte brew lab. My results.
Rocky Mount/ Ferrum Va

Ca 32 ppm
Mg 2.5 ppm
Na 19 ppm
Cl 30 ppm
So4  0 ppm

Alk 90
Bicarbonate 108
PH 7.2
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: JJeffers09 on August 21, 2016, 02:01:40 PM

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There are a lot of cations (+ charge), and the bicarbonate anion is missing. The electrical charges should balance, but without some of the ions included it won't.

The Calcium and Magneasium values are so high I would question those and the total hardness.

Where is the report from?
I got that done at my LHBS...
And I just emailed him about it to see if I can get that retested
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: tommymorris on August 21, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
Huntsville, AL (Jones Valley area)
August, 2016

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: zwiller on August 22, 2016, 03:25:29 PM
This is a Ward Labs report from a few years ago. Pretty stable Lake Michigan sourced NW Indiana water. What do you all think of it?

Ca: 35ppm
Mg: 12ppm
Na: 8ppm
Cl: 18ppm
So4: 24ppm

Alk: 106
Bicarbonate: 128
ph: ~8

It looks like water from a Great Lake - they are all look similar.

Good for Amber-ish to brownish beers. You need to cut with RO or distilled water for light colored lagers or ales.

+1; You can also use acid to adjust for these quite successfully.   
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: smalenberg on November 05, 2016, 02:02:56 PM
Warren, MI (Detroit water), tested with LaMotte kit 10/5/16

pH 7

Total hardness 80
Calcium hardness 50
Calcium 20
Magnesium Hardness 30
Magnesium 7.2
Chloride 20
Sulfate 5
Total Alkalinity (CaCo3) 80
Sodium 13
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Larix on January 06, 2017, 04:26:04 AM
From Ward Laboratories
Just move to Porter Indiana - well water with water softener :(


pH 7,4
Total Dissolved Solids                 1241
Electrical Conductivity mmho/cm  2,07
Cations/Anions me/L                  19,1/19,4

Sodium, Na                                436
Potasium, K                                2
Calcium, Ca                                2
Magnesium, Mg                           <1
Total Hardness, CaCo3   5
Nitrate                                       <0,1
Sulfate, SO4-S                            22
Chloride, Cl                                460
Carbonate, CO3                           <1,0
Bicarbonate, HCO3                      297
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3                 244
Total Phosphorus, P                     0,03
Total Iron, Fe                             0,02


Should I start collect rain water, or just stick with gose :D
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 06, 2017, 06:06:22 PM
From Ward Laboratories
Just move to Porter Indiana - well water with water softener :(


pH 7,4
Total Dissolved Solids                 1241
Electrical Conductivity mmho/cm  2,07
Cations/Anions me/L                  19,1/19,4

Sodium, Na                                436
Potasium, K                                2
Calcium, Ca                                2
Magnesium, Mg                           <1
Total Hardness, CaCo3   5
Nitrate                                       <0,1
Sulfate, SO4-S                            22
Chloride, Cl                                460
Carbonate, CO3                           <1,0
Bicarbonate, HCO3                      297
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3                 244
Total Phosphorus, P                     0,03
Total Iron, Fe                             0,02


Should I start collect rain water, or just stick with gose :D
Low Ca, high HCO3, Na, and Cl make that not suited to brewing.

I would use RO water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Larix on January 07, 2017, 05:49:21 PM
Thank you!
I'm searching on reverse osmosis products. Some systems have to enrich the levels of oxygen in their water. Is this have any impact for brewing?  https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MSWO8HC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=RGRQDF0G60MC&coliid=I33744VXFI45Q4 (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MSWO8HC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=RGRQDF0G60MC&coliid=I33744VXFI45Q4)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 07, 2017, 06:30:15 PM
Thank you!
I'm searching on reverse osmosis products. Some systems have to enrich the levels of oxygen in their water. Is this have any impact for brewing?  https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MSWO8HC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=RGRQDF0G60MC&coliid=I33744VXFI45Q4 (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MSWO8HC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=RGRQDF0G60MC&coliid=I33744VXFI45Q4)
There are several threads on removing O2 from water, and the whole process.

The system you linked is nice, but it adds alkalinity back in, which may not be so good for brewing depending on the amount, but it is good for your plumbing.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: curtdogg on January 10, 2017, 07:09:45 PM
The water for San Diego, CA in May 2009:

pH:                              7.8
Sodium (Na):                  99
Potassium (K):                 5
Calcium (Ca):                 70
Magnesium (Mg):            25
Sulfate (SO4):                66
Chloride (Cl):                  96
Bicarbonate (HCO3):       141     
Total Hardness (CaCO3): 279
Total Alkalinity (CaCO3):  115
Looks good for a malty Brown Ale?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: WattsOnTap on January 13, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
Tried getting my water report from the local utility, but they would only provide what the EPA requires them to report (contaminants) and total alkalinity. 

I've seen folks posting the results from Ward Labs and I think I'm going to go that route.  Question is, if I normally use a 10" carbon block filter on brew day to remove the chlorine should I filter the sample just as if brewing (I think I can already hear the screams of Yes!) or test a totally unfiltered sample, or open the wallet some more and test filtered and unfiltered?  Would there be that much of a difference in the mineral content between the two?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: WattsOnTap on January 31, 2017, 02:03:44 AM
Ward Labs results came in today.  I sent two samples: 1) for Brewer's test and 2) for Household test.  Based on the results listed, I think the samples got crossed.  I ran the same water supply through your generic 10" carbon block filter one of the tests.  Results below -

                               Sample 1      Sample 2
pH                                       6.6      8.6
Total Dissolved Solids               65      62
Electrical Conductivity             0.11      0.10
Cations/Anions                1.0 / 0.9      1.0 / 1.0
         
Sodium, Na                               10      10
Potassium, K                             1        1
Calcium, Ca                               10      10
Magnesium, Mg                       < 1      < 1
Total Hardness, CaCO3                29      29
Nitrate, NO3-N                        0.3      < 0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S                           5       3
Chloride, Cl                                 7      5
Carbonate, CO3                    < 1.0      < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3                     19       36
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3                16       31
Total Phosphorus, P                 0.02      
Flouride, F                                          0.3
Total Iron, Fe                       0.03       0.11

I was a little surprised to see the bicarbonate, alkalinity, and pH go up so much with the filter in place.  This was an old filter, one used often.  Maybe it hasn't been stored so great.

Source is public water supply, Anne Arundel County, MD - Odenton/Crofton supply.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: muzak on March 15, 2017, 04:06:16 PM
I just moved to a new city and figured I'd research what the water is like.

Rialto, Ca. 2015 Water report

Sodium (Na):                 15.3
Potassium (K):               3.5
Calcium (Ca):                 70
Magnesium (Mg):            13
Sulfate (SO4):                50
Chloride (Cl):                 8.9
Bicarbonate (HCO3):       229.7     
Total Hardness (CaCO3):  228
Total Alkalinity (CaCO3):  191

Can this very hard water be "fixed"? Or what styles is this profile suited to?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: stpug on March 15, 2017, 04:57:46 PM
I just moved to a new city and figured I'd research what the water is like.

Rialto, Ca. 2015 Water report

Sodium (Na):                 15.3
Potassium (K):               3.5
Calcium (Ca):                 70
Magnesium (Mg):            13
Sulfate (SO4):                50
Chloride (Cl):                 8.9
Bicarbonate (HCO3):       229.7     
Total Hardness (CaCO3):  228
Total Alkalinity (CaCO3):  191

Can this very hard water be "fixed"? Or what styles is this profile suited to?

I believe that water is fairly well suited to decarbing via boil/decant method, which would leave you with a bicarbonate level that's easily dealt with using a little acid.  An alternative would be not decarbing, and just using acid to deal with bicarbonate which would require a fair amount more acid but potentially still reasonable enough to stay under a taste threshold (especially if using phosphoric acid, or mix of acids).  I'm still a water novice so my suggestions may be a little off the mark, or I may have overlooked something glaringly obvious.  If nothing else, it's a decent base water for dark beers but you'd probably want to up the chloride in most cases.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: kramerog on March 15, 2017, 11:35:51 PM
I just moved to a new city and figured I'd research what the water is like.

Rialto, Ca. 2015 Water report

Sodium (Na):                 15.3
Potassium (K):               3.5
Calcium (Ca):                 70
Magnesium (Mg):            13
Sulfate (SO4):                50
Chloride (Cl):                 8.9
Bicarbonate (HCO3):       229.7     
Total Hardness (CaCO3):  228
Total Alkalinity (CaCO3):  191

Can this very hard water be "fixed"? Or what styles is this profile suited to?
The water is probably pretty good for making dark beers with little to no mash pH adjustment.  Other beers will benefit from adjusting.

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: muzak on March 16, 2017, 06:36:39 AM
Thanks for all the advice.

I brewed some of my house recipes and they just didn't taste the same, and the only variable that changed was the water. Which led me to research what my new water was like.

I did some research on water chemistry and now my head is spinning, but I do feel that I learned some things.

It looks like Pilsners and other light styles will be best if brewed with RO and some Calcium.

Bitter beers will either require acid, additives and or dilution.

Malty Ambers and Dark beers can be brewed as is.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 16, 2017, 02:27:54 PM
Thanks for all the advice.

I brewed some of my house recipes and they just didn't taste the same, and the only variable that changed was the water. Which led me to research what my new water was like.

I did some research on water chemistry and now my head is spinning, but I do feel that I learned some things.

It looks like Pilsners and other light styles will be best if brewed with RO and some Calcium.

Bitter beers will either require acid, additives and or dilution.

Malty Ambers and Dark beers can be brewed as is.
Your take on Pilsners is correct.

Hardness in itself is not a problem, as you want Ca in the water for various reasons. Mg is not bad either, if not to high.

Alkalinity is a problem, and that is why you can try acid, boiling, or slaked lime treatments. All of those take some time and work on your part. All of those techniques will drop the alkalinity, and boiling takes out some of the Ca too. The flavor ions, Na,Cl, SO4, are not dropped with those techniques.

 I find RO is the way to go for me. I have used a blend of RO and tap for a couple of beers. It is easy for me to just use RO and add some brewing water salts.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: bayareabrewer on March 16, 2017, 03:32:28 PM
My house has can receive water from two different sources and sometimes they blend the two. That means I have no way to reliably tell what my water contains. pretty big bummer but there's a water shop less than a mile from me that I get RO water from.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: SWSommer on March 23, 2017, 05:56:02 PM
I brew with water directly from our tap.  Sample results from Ward Labs below.

I always put 1.0tsp of gypsum into the total volume of brew water (usually 8gal for a 5-5.5gal batch) to raise the Ca concentration.  I am fortunate the SO4 content of our water is low, so that amount of gypsum bumps it up to only about 110ppm.

Phoenixville, PA (Valley Forge area)

pH                                 7.4
Sodium (Na):                  28 ppm
Potassium (K):                 2
Calcium (Ca):                 32
Magnesium (Mg):            10
Sulfate (SO4):                18
Chloride (Cl):                 53
Bicarbonate (HCO3):        63     
Total Alkalinity (CaCO3):  52
Iron (Fe)                        < Not detectable

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: cdawson on April 18, 2017, 07:27:07 PM
Just looking for some input on my water report. I am just starting to dabble with all grain brewing and trying to look into the different elements in the water report. It just seems to be over my head or I'm over thinking it. Primarily brewing Ales

pH                   7.5
Calcium          75.1
Magnesium     20.8
Sodium          15.3
Sulfate           27.7
Chloride         34.1
Alkalinity, Total (CaCO3)   233.6

Any tips on basic water adjustment for a guy starting to brew all grain?? Or else I can get RO for .25 a gallon
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on April 18, 2017, 07:33:38 PM
Just looking for some input on my water report. I am just starting to dabble with all grain brewing and trying to look into the different elements in the water report. It just seems to be over my head or I'm over thinking it. Primarily brewing Ales

pH                   7.5
Calcium          75.1
Magnesium     20.8
Sodium          15.3
Sulfate           27.7
Chloride         34.1
Alkalinity, Total (CaCO3)   233.6

Any tips on basic water adjustment for a guy starting to brew all grain?? Or else I can get RO for .25 a gallon

Holy Cow, that alkalinity is through the roof!  The rest looks pretty good, but you'll either need to use RO or at least cut your tap water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on April 18, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
pH                   7.5
Calcium          75.1
Magnesium     20.8
Sodium          15.3
Sulfate           27.7
Chloride         34.1
Alkalinity, Total (CaCO3)   233.6

It's not great, but it can be worked with. Pre-boiling that water will knock a bunch of calcium and alkalinity out. Read the Decarbonation by Boiling thread on this forum.

Otherwise, learning to use acid effectively will be a skill you develop. Acidification can take care of excessive alkalinity, but beware of overly 'flavorful' acids with this level of alkalinity. Phosphoric acid may be a good choice in this case.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: denny on April 18, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
I was hoping Martin would show up!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: cdawson on April 19, 2017, 01:10:25 PM
Thanks Denny and Martin! I think since I can get RO for .25 a gallon I will just go that route. My last extract batch I decided to try RO because I keep getting a similar flavor (twang/bitter) in my finished product. That beer will be going into secondary for dry hop this weekend, but for $1.50-2 per 5 gallon batch if it makes better beer its worth it.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: curtdogg on April 19, 2017, 01:28:34 PM
pH                   7.5
Calcium          75.1
Magnesium     20.8
Sodium          15.3
Sulfate           27.7
Chloride         34.1
Alkalinity, Total (CaCO3)   233.6

It's not great, but it can be worked with. Pre-boiling that water will knock a bunch of calcium and alkalinity out. Read the Decarbonation by Boiling thread on this forum.

Otherwise, learning to use acid effectively will be a skill you develop. Acidification can take care of excessive alkalinity, but beware of overly 'flavorful' acids with this level of alkalinity. Phosphoric acid may be a good choice in this case.
Since we are on the tooic of acid. Which will give me better results?

Using just acid or acid malt.
 or
 Using salt additions.
 to adjust my mash pH.

What is the preffered method?

Thanks gentlemen.


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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: mabrungard on April 19, 2017, 02:35:53 PM
If using BIAB methods with no sparging, then acid malt use is fine. If sparging will be conducted, then you will need to use an acid to reduce the alkalinity of sparging water.

Boosting the Ca or Mg to get pH down might create excessive concentrations of those ions. That may not be ideal for many beer styles. Acidification is always preferred over mineralization.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: curtdogg on April 19, 2017, 03:23:01 PM
If using BIAB methods with no sparging, then acid malt use is fine. If sparging will be conducted, then you will need to use an acid to reduce the alkalinity of sparging water.

Boosting the Ca or Mg to get pH down might create excessive concentrations of those ions. That may not be ideal for many beer styles. Acidification is always preferred over mineralization.
My method uses RO water, a 5 gal cooler, single step mash and batch sparge. I use your software along with salt additions in the mash to achieve the desired pH and come close to the ppm for the desired style ie; yellow, amber, brown, black, full, balanced or dry.
Is it possible that by only adding salts to the boil I will have a better final product (assuming there are no issues with fermentation).

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: JJeffers09 on April 28, 2017, 01:41:15 PM
Alkalinity 309

Res. Alkalinity 88

Bicarb 375

Calcium 278

Mag. 82

Total hardness 360

Chloride 50

SO4 81

Sodium 24

Total chlorine 1.79

Free chlorine .87

Chloramine .92

pH 7.5

So this is my tap water as of 2 weeks ago.  I let my water run for 4 mins before gathering a 16oz sample for testing... this is why I struggle with my water.  RO is my cheapest option.  Thoughts?

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 28, 2017, 01:52:11 PM
Not surprising for Central Indiana, ie., not good. I'm all about the RO here.The Mg is high, though. Wouldn't wanna use that with any epsom. Unless you're close to a bathroom.   :)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: zwiller on April 28, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
+1;  I'd be rocking a whole RO system if that was my water.  If you've only brewed with that water you are going to see a huge improvement using RO  ;D
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 28, 2017, 05:05:18 PM
Alkalinity 309

Res. Alkalinity 88

Bicarb 375

Calcium 278

Mag. 82

Total hardness 360

Chloride 50

SO4 81

Sodium 24

Total chlorine 1.79

Free chlorine .87

Chloramine .92

pH 7.5

So this is my tap water as of 2 weeks ago.  I let my water run for 4 mins before gathering a 16oz sample for testing... this is why I struggle with my water.  RO is my cheapest option.  Thoughts?

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Dang, that is terrible, worse than mine!

Where are you generally located? Near the limestone part?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: JJeffers09 on April 28, 2017, 06:34:23 PM
Alkalinity 309

Res. Alkalinity 88

Bicarb 375

Calcium 278

Mag. 82

Total hardness 360

Chloride 50

SO4 81

Sodium 24

Total chlorine 1.79

Free chlorine .87

Chloramine .92

pH 7.5

So this is my tap water as of 2 weeks ago.  I let my water run for 4 mins before gathering a 16oz sample for testing... this is why I struggle with my water.  RO is my cheapest option.  Thoughts?

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Dang, that is terrible, worse than mine!

Where are you generally located? Near the limestone part?
Johnson County farms Runoff.  It's horrific.  Even my immersion chiller can ruin a batch.  A slow drip can turn to liquid bandaids with just a few mins.

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 28, 2017, 07:13:27 PM
My sister lived just south of county line road for years. I'm sure there is a big limestone layer there.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: JJeffers09 on April 30, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
My sister lived just south of county line road for years. I'm sure there is a big limestone layer there.
I need to move to an aquifer... real conversation since the wife and I are both self employed.

Wanna move to Lawrenceburg?...
Why?
My beer will taste better. 
Shut the hell up.
Okay babe hahaha

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Big Monk on April 30, 2017, 10:13:57 PM
Alkalinity 309

Res. Alkalinity 88

Bicarb 375

Calcium 278

Mag. 82

Total hardness 360

Chloride 50

SO4 81

Sodium 24

Total chlorine 1.79

Free chlorine .87

Chloramine .92

pH 7.5

So this is my tap water as of 2 weeks ago.  I let my water run for 4 mins before gathering a 16oz sample for testing... this is why I struggle with my water.  RO is my cheapest option.  Thoughts?

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RO/Distilled all the way.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: 69franx on May 04, 2017, 01:22:40 AM
My sister lived just south of county line road for years. I'm sure there is a big limestone layer there.
I need to move to an aquifer... real conversation since the wife and I are both self employed.

Wanna move to Lawrenceburg?...
Why?
My beer will taste better. 
Shut the hell up.
Okay babe hahaha

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I'm in Lawrenceburg, and I use RO to make sure I know where I stand each and every time. But we could use more Brewers here for sure, c'mon down

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: strangatang on May 10, 2017, 03:51:26 PM
Monroeville, NJ
Personal well
Ward Labs W-6 test

PH 8.1
TDS 190
Electrical Conductivity 0.32
Cations/Anions 3.3/3.3

Sodium 76
Potassium <1
Calcium <0
Magnesium <1
Total Hardness <1
Nitrate <0.1
Sulfate 4
Chloride 2
Carbonate <1.0
Bicarbonate 180
Total Alkalinity 149

Cant wait to brew again!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narcout on May 10, 2017, 04:25:54 PM
Monroeville, NJ
Personal well
Ward Labs W-6 test

PH 8.1
TDS 190
Electrical Conductivity 0.32
Cations/Anions 3.3/3.3

Sodium 76
Potassium <1
Calcium <0
Magnesium <1
Total Hardness <1
Nitrate <0.1
Sulfate 4
Chloride 2
Carbonate <1.0
Bicarbonate 180
Total Alkalinity 149

Cant wait to brew again!

Are you using a water softener?
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: strangatang on May 10, 2017, 07:01:53 PM
Yes we are. Sorry, shouldve noted that in the original post. Well pumps through a salt water softener.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Cyllian on January 07, 2018, 05:37:30 AM
New Berlin WI, from the well with no filter or anything on it.
John Palmer test kit.

ph   6.35
chloride   290 ppm
sulfate   150 ppm
alkalinity   450 ppm
total hardness   460 ppm
Calcium   250 ppm
sodium   257.8464286

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Dave King on February 08, 2018, 06:41:50 PM
My water is Endicott, NY town water, from a well, unknown depth, but it's been very consistent over a couple years.  Here is my average, determined with my LaMotte kit;

Ca   46
Mg   10
Cl   60
SO4   0
   
Alkalinity   160
Resid Al   120
Na   45

   Dave King, BIER
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Brewtopalonian on March 31, 2018, 05:58:18 PM
Hey All, I just got my water report back from Ward and figured I'd share.  I hope this helps someone else.  If you brew in White City, hit me up with a message, it's a small town.  If someone wants to elaborate on what this means for my brewing, I'd appreciate it.

Salt Lake City, Utah (White City Water District)

pH 7.9

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 895
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.49
Cations / Anions, me/L 12.7 / 12.5


                                     ppm
Sodium, Na                    95
Potassium, K                   5
Calcium, Ca                    118
Magnesium,   Mg             31
Total Hardness, CaCO3    424
Nitrate, NO3-N               0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S               4
Chloride, Cl                    355
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3         128
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3    106
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Robert on March 31, 2018, 06:10:10 PM
Hey All, I just got my water report back from Ward and figured I'd share.  I hope this helps someone else.  If you brew in White City, hit me up with a message, it's a small town.  If someone wants to elaborate on what this means for my brewing, I'd appreciate it.

Salt Lake City, Utah (White City Water District)

pH 7.9

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 895
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.49
Cations / Anions, me/L 12.7 / 12.5


                                     ppm
Sodium, Na                    95
Potassium, K                   5
Calcium, Ca                    118
Magnesium,   Mg             31
Total Hardness, CaCO3    424
Nitrate, NO3-N               0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S               4
Chloride, Cl                    355
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3         128
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3    106
Your sodium, magnesium and chloride are all quite high (go figure, Salt Lake City?)  With decent calcium and moderate alkalinity, you could easily just dilute it 50:50 (or a bit more dilute) with RO  or distilled water and, if desired, add some gypsum to up the sulfate to taste depending on style.  But the Na, Mg and Cl will still be on the high side, so by experimentation you can determine if you want to just build RO from the ground up.  Plug your profile into Bru'n Water and play around with it!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Brewtopalonian on April 01, 2018, 03:55:21 PM
Hey All, I just got my water report back from Ward and figured I'd share.  I hope this helps someone else.  If you brew in White City, hit me up with a message, it's a small town.  If someone wants to elaborate on what this means for my brewing, I'd appreciate it.

Salt Lake City, Utah (White City Water District)

pH 7.9

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 895
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.49
Cations / Anions, me/L 12.7 / 12.5


                                     ppm
Sodium, Na                    95
Potassium, K                   5
Calcium, Ca                    118
Magnesium,   Mg             31
Total Hardness, CaCO3    424
Nitrate, NO3-N               0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S               4
Chloride, Cl                    355
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3         128
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3    106
Your sodium, magnesium and chloride are all quite high (go figure, Salt Lake City?)  With decent calcium and moderate alkalinity, you could easily just dilute it 50:50 (or a bit more dilute) with RO  or distilled water and, if desired, add some gypsum to up the sulfate to taste depending on style.  But the Na, Mg and Cl will still be on the high side, so by experimentation you can determine if you want to just build RO from the ground up.  Plug your profile into Bru'n Water and play around with it!

Awesome, thanks Robert!  Any recommendations on an affordable RO Unit for the house?  I guess it'd probably benefit us for drinking water anyway. I'll just start with RO and build from there I guess.  Kinda bummed my water sucks here, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Robert on April 01, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
Hey All, I just got my water report back from Ward and figured I'd share.  I hope this helps someone else.  If you brew in White City, hit me up with a message, it's a small town.  If someone wants to elaborate on what this means for my brewing, I'd appreciate it.

Salt Lake City, Utah (White City Water District)

pH 7.9

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 895
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.49
Cations / Anions, me/L 12.7 / 12.5


                                     ppm
Sodium, Na                    95
Potassium, K                   5
Calcium, Ca                    118
Magnesium,   Mg             31
Total Hardness, CaCO3    424
Nitrate, NO3-N               0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S               4
Chloride, Cl                    355
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3         128
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3    106
Your sodium, magnesium and chloride are all quite high (go figure, Salt Lake City?)  With decent calcium and moderate alkalinity, you could easily just dilute it 50:50 (or a bit more dilute) with RO  or distilled water and, if desired, add some gypsum to up the sulfate to taste depending on style.  But the Na, Mg and Cl will still be on the high side, so by experimentation you can determine if you want to just build RO from the ground up.  Plug your profile into Bru'n Water and play around with it!

Awesome, thanks Robert!  Any recommendations on an affordable RO Unit for the house?  I guess it'd probably benefit us for drinking water anyway. I'll just start with RO and build from there I guess.  Kinda bummed my water sucks here, but it is what it is.
I just use this freestanding unit, I only use it for brewing water, but it really is good (TDS down from almost 300ppm to around 5ppm, runs a gallon in about 15-20 min, affordable.)

APEC Portable Countertop Reverse Osmosis Water Filter System, Installation-Free, fits most STANDARD FAUCET (RO-CTOP) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IB14XDU?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

If your water is working ok for drinking and utility purposes, you could try something like this.  Or buy water.  Health food stores or groceries often have an RO unit where you can fill containers for $0.25 a gallon or so, and then there's distilled.

If you want to go with a whole house system, you can see what Home Depot or whatever has, but I think I'd call a local water treatment company.  They could not only assess your needs and install a system, but you could probably get a good deal on a service contract, for replacing cartridges and such.  I haven't looked into it, but I'm guessing when you get into whole house, "affordable" is in the eye of the beholder!
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Robert on April 03, 2018, 02:57:17 PM
Hey All, I just got my water report back from Ward and figured I'd share.  I hope this helps someone else.  If you brew in White City, hit me up with a message, it's a small town.  If someone wants to elaborate on what this means for my brewing, I'd appreciate it.

Salt Lake City, Utah (White City Water District)

pH 7.9

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 895
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 1.49
Cations / Anions, me/L 12.7 / 12.5


                                     ppm
Sodium, Na                    95
Potassium, K                   5
Calcium, Ca                    118
Magnesium,   Mg             31
Total Hardness, CaCO3    424
Nitrate, NO3-N               0.1
Sulfate, SO4-S               4
Chloride, Cl                    355
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3         128
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3    106
Your sodium, magnesium and chloride are all quite high (go figure, Salt Lake City?)  With decent calcium and moderate alkalinity, you could easily just dilute it 50:50 (or a bit more dilute) with RO  or distilled water and, if desired, add some gypsum to up the sulfate to taste depending on style.  But the Na, Mg and Cl will still be on the high side, so by experimentation you can determine if you want to just build RO from the ground up.  Plug your profile into Bru'n Water and play around with it!

Awesome, thanks Robert!  Any recommendations on an affordable RO Unit for the house?  I guess it'd probably benefit us for drinking water anyway. I'll just start with RO and build from there I guess.  Kinda bummed my water sucks here, but it is what it is.
I just use this freestanding unit, I only use it for brewing water, but it really is good (TDS down from almost 300ppm to around 5ppm, runs a gallon in about 15-20 min, affordable.)

APEC Portable Countertop Reverse Osmosis Water Filter System, Installation-Free, fits most STANDARD FAUCET (RO-CTOP) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IB14XDU?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

If your water is working ok for drinking and utility purposes, you could try something like this.  Or buy water.  Health food stores or groceries often have an RO unit where you can fill containers for $0.25 a gallon or so, and then there's distilled.

If you want to go with a whole house system, you can see what Home Depot or whatever has, but I think I'd call a local water treatment company.  They could not only assess your needs and install a system, but you could probably get a good deal on a service contract, for replacing cartridges and such.  I haven't looked into it, but I'm guessing when you get into whole house, "affordable" is in the eye of the beholder!
Brewtopalonian,  look at this thread for good options!
https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=31504.0
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: MattyJRPI on May 08, 2018, 05:22:37 PM
Simpsonville, SC (Public water supply from Greenville Water)
Tested 08FEB2016 by Ward Labs

pH 7.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 28
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.05
Cations / Anions, me/L 0.5 / 0.5

Sodium, Na 8 ppm
Potassium, K < 1 ppm
Calcium, Ca 1 ppm
Magnesium, Mg < 1 ppm
Total Hardness, CaCO3 3 ppm
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 ppm (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2 ppm
Chloride, Cl 3 ppm
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0 ppm
Bicarbonate, HCO3 20 ppm
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 17 ppm
Total Phosphorus, P 0.26 ppm
Total Iron, Fe 0.02 ppm

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Robert on May 08, 2018, 05:41:24 PM
WOW!! :)
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Steve L on May 08, 2018, 05:42:31 PM
Simpsonville, SC (Public water supply from Greenville Water)
Tested 08FEB2016 by Ward Labs

pH 7.5
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 28
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.05
Cations / Anions, me/L 0.5 / 0.5

Sodium, Na 8 ppm
Potassium, K < 1 ppm
Calcium, Ca 1 ppm
Magnesium, Mg < 1 ppm
Total Hardness, CaCO3 3 ppm
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 ppm (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 2 ppm
Chloride, Cl 3 ppm
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0 ppm
Bicarbonate, HCO3 20 ppm
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 17 ppm
Total Phosphorus, P 0.26 ppm
Total Iron, Fe 0.02 ppm

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
You should be brewing pilsners.... Fo sho

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Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Kevin on June 15, 2018, 06:35:06 PM
Well water. Southern Saginaw County in Michigan.
Tested 05/01/2018 Ward Labs

pH 8.1
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est 286
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.48
Cations / Anions, me/L 4.9 / 5.1
               ppm
Sodium, Na 75
Potassium, K 2
Calcium, Ca 20
Magnesium, Mg 7
Total Hardness, CaCO3 79
Nitrate, NO3-N < 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 12
Chloride, Cl 14
Carbonate, CO3 < 1.0
Bicarbonate, HCO3 245
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 203
Total Phosphorus, P 0.02
Total Iron, FE 0.07
"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: narcout on June 15, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
The sodium and alkalinity are pretty high.  You could manage the alkalinity with acid or acid malt, but I don't know about brewing with that much sodium (I don't have any personal experience with it).

I think you'd want to dilute that pretty heavily with RO water and add calcium and sulfate/chloride back.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: klickitat jim on June 15, 2018, 09:26:02 PM
I was born in Saginaw Michigan
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: MNWayne on June 18, 2018, 02:01:32 PM
NE Minnesota, Shallow well (30ft), 50 ft from lake,
Ca    14
Mg     5
Na     6
Cl       8
SO4    4
HCO  47
pH    6.6

Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 18, 2018, 05:08:34 PM
NE Minnesota, Shallow well (30ft), 50 ft from lake,
Ca    14
Mg     5
Na     6
Cl       8
SO4    4
HCO  47
pH    6.6
Dang, that is nice water.
Title: Re: Post your water report
Post by: Kevin on June 18, 2018, 06:10:16 PM
The sodium and alkalinity are pretty high.  You could manage the alkalinity with acid or acid malt, but I don't know about brewing with that much sodium (I don't have any personal experience with it).

I think you'd want to dilute that pretty heavily with RO water and add calcium and sulfate/chloride back.

I read this in John Palmer's How to Brew.... "At levels of 70 - 150 ppm it rounds out the beer flavors, accentuating the sweetness of the malt." I assumed my level of 75 was fine.