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Title: NHC 2014
Post by: rblack90 on April 03, 2014, 03:10:35 AM
I just received my scoresheets back for the NHC. I am wondering as this is only my second competition if a overall score of 34 is something to be proud of?
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: dkfick on April 03, 2014, 03:18:17 AM
It's certainly not bad.  Usually you need to be up around a 38 to medal in a competition, but a 34 is pretty good.  It basically means your beer was generally well brewed and mostly to style.  Not sure with the quick evaluation sheets, but hopefully they gave some indication on the sheets on how you could improve it a bit to score better next time :D

I generally am dissappointed if I score under a 38, but content if it's over 30... Stuff happens... When I score under 30 I can get grumpy ;-) ... but I suppose OCCASIONALLY maybe you get an infected bottle or something... meh.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: klickitat jim on April 03, 2014, 03:29:34 AM
This weekend is my first competition and my first judging. But I did send an ABA to a rather well known homebrewer/ judge last winter. I was told it was an upper 30s beer and enjoyable enough that he forgot he was supposed to take feedback notes. I was proud, but the three I sent to Seattle are far superior,  so I'm excited to see how they do.

I'm in the group of brewers who just think it's great that your beer doesn't suck. But always searching for improvement and perfection doesn't exist. At least not permanently
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: gurney09 on April 03, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
Did you send yours to KC? I kinda forgot about it. Hope I get mine this week too. Depending on the style if I would be happy with a 34. I say either way it couldn't have been bad! I'm always nervous about the shipping and handling.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 03, 2014, 03:41:43 AM
I'm surprised you got score sheets already.  I thought they didn't send them until all of the first round was done

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Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: rblack90 on April 03, 2014, 11:04:34 AM
Yes I live in KC. I didn't have to worry about shipping thank goodness. And my beer was a Belgian Blond.
Thanks.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 03, 2014, 11:58:48 AM
I'm surprised you got score sheets already.  I thought they didn't send them until all of the first round was done

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Score sheets are sent as soon as possible for the first round site. Some are quicker than others.

The official results are released at once for all the site by Janis Gross.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: theDarkSide on April 03, 2014, 12:44:08 PM
34 is a decent score.  I've medaled in competitions with low 30 scores before.  And in these days of mini-BOS, it is definitely conceivable that a 34 can beat a higher score.

Look over the judges comments and see if you can see what they mentioned that knocked off some points.  But remember, judging is very subjective but usually there are some very helpful tips in there.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 03, 2014, 01:23:31 PM
34 is a good result for anyone and very good for someone without a lot of competition experience.

I advanced one in 2nd at 36 this year and was cobrewer on another that advanced in 3rd at 36.  won a couple categories with 38 and 39.

I don't know the score of the 1st place entry in Cat 18, but my coworker had the 2nd place Dubbel that scored 37.
...you're not far off at all.  Nice job!
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: duxx on April 03, 2014, 02:33:14 PM
Hey all, I'm the KC NHC site director and everyone should have their score sheets by Friday (April 4th).  For the 1st time this year you will not have to wait to see the list of winners.  The AHA will be posting each site's results as they are completed.  You should expect to see our KC site winners list on the AHA page possibly today or tomorrow.

To the OP:  The mid 30's is often a competitve score depending on the category.  So good job.  The 1st thing I look at if my beer did not place is whether it made it to the mini-BOS.  If that box is checked it tells you your beer was in the top one to 3 beers in that flight.  Then the best beers in the flight are judged as a group by the most experienced judges to determine 1st to 3rd place.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 03, 2014, 02:43:56 PM
Hey all, I'm the KC NHC site director

too bad the voting didn't last one more week...your and your team's excellent performance in the First Round might have gotten you more Governing Committee votes.  or maybe you didn't need any more.   8)

thanks for your hard work--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Steve L on April 03, 2014, 05:10:02 PM
I'm plagued by style popularity. When I score a 35, it's in a category that has a LOT of entries. Then again, I had a recent competition where I scored a 29 and there was only one other beer in my category... I did not place :). The other beer placed 2nd. I imagine in most competitions there is a score threshold that you must surpass to even be considered for placement and my 29 just didn't get it. ;)
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: darwin18 on April 03, 2014, 05:47:30 PM
Usually the minimum score threshold is for 1st place, and it's generally a 30 or better.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Steve L on April 03, 2014, 06:04:18 PM
Usually the minimum score threshold is for 1st place, and it's generally a 30 or better.
That's interesting. This particular comp had Multiple categories that had 3, 4, 5 entries but only had 1 or 2 brews place. They seemed to be quite picky. It was a GABF pro-am comp though. I wonder if that made any difference.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Qhrumphf on April 03, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
Usually the minimum score threshold is for 1st place, and it's generally a 30 or better.
That's interesting. This particular comp had Multiple categories that had 3, 4, 5 entries but only had 1 or 2 brews place. They seemed to be quite picky. It was a GABF pro-am comp though. I wonder if that made any difference.

The last comp I entered (relatively small local one, maybe ~250 entries), the smallest categories were combined and judged together. So there might be a 1st and 3rd awarded in the Light Lager category, and the 2nd was in the Pilsner category. Confusing until you understand the way it works.

I got the lucky opportunity (after being one of the illustrious 124 who didn't make the lottery) to be allowed to enter in KC. So I'm eagerly awaiting the mailman.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: johnf on April 03, 2014, 06:32:54 PM
I've had a beer score in the 20s and then go on to win BOS at a large competition. Also had a beer score in the 20s then place 3rd in the NHC 1st round then place 1st in the NHC second round.

I would not put to much stock in a single score regardless of what it is. If you are interest in feedback it is better to enter the same beer many times than many beers once. You'll converge on a consensus with enough scoresheets.

The scores themselves are hard to interpret. Some judges are generous, some are harsh. New judges tend to be afraid to get too far away from a 35 in either direction and lump everything around there.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: theDarkSide on April 03, 2014, 06:33:40 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Qhrumphf on April 03, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I haven't seen the KC results up there yet.
 
I've had a beer score in the 20s and then go on to win BOS at a large competition. Also had a beer score in the 20s then place 3rd in the NHC 1st round then place 1st in the NHC second round.

I would not put to much stock in a single score regardless of what it is. If you are interest in feedback it is better to enter the same beer many times than many beers once. You'll converge on a consensus with enough scoresheets.

The scores themselves are hard to interpret. Some judges are generous, some are harsh. New judges tend to be afraid to get too far away from a 35 in either direction and lump everything around there.

Unless this was in the past, I thought that NHC was one of the few comps where placement/advancement DID require a score above 30.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: braufessor on April 03, 2014, 07:15:28 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I got my scores in the mail today from KC.  I have not seen them posted in entry site, or anywhere else yet. 

On a happy note - got two through (Dortmunder and Mild) :)
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 03, 2014, 08:08:50 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I got my scores in the mail today from KC.  I have not seen them posted in entry site, or anywhere else yet. 

On a happy note - got two through (Dortmunder and Mild) :)

first or third for the mild?  both were very good...
congrats
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: johnf on April 03, 2014, 08:46:42 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I haven't seen the KC results up there yet.
 
I've had a beer score in the 20s and then go on to win BOS at a large competition. Also had a beer score in the 20s then place 3rd in the NHC 1st round then place 1st in the NHC second round.

I would not put to much stock in a single score regardless of what it is. If you are interest in feedback it is better to enter the same beer many times than many beers once. You'll converge on a consensus with enough scoresheets.

The scores themselves are hard to interpret. Some judges are generous, some are harsh. New judges tend to be afraid to get too far away from a 35 in either direction and lump everything around there.

Unless this was in the past, I thought that NHC was one of the few comps where placement/advancement DID require a score above 30.

20s in a different competition, third place in the first round with a score over 30, first place in the second round.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: braufessor on April 03, 2014, 10:20:14 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I got my scores in the mail today from KC.  I have not seen them posted in entry site, or anywhere else yet. 

On a happy note - got two through (Dortmunder and Mild) :)

first or third for the mild?  both were very good...
congrats

Mild placed 3rd

Dort placed first, which surprised me a bit. Just hoping it would make it through.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Qhrumphf on April 03, 2014, 11:17:48 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I haven't seen the KC results up there yet.
 
I've had a beer score in the 20s and then go on to win BOS at a large competition. Also had a beer score in the 20s then place 3rd in the NHC 1st round then place 1st in the NHC second round.

I would not put to much stock in a single score regardless of what it is. If you are interest in feedback it is better to enter the same beer many times than many beers once. You'll converge on a consensus with enough scoresheets.

The scores themselves are hard to interpret. Some judges are generous, some are harsh. New judges tend to be afraid to get too far away from a 35 in either direction and lump everything around there.

Unless this was in the past, I thought that NHC was one of the few comps where placement/advancement DID require a score above 30.

20s in a different competition, third place in the first round with a score over 30, first place in the second round.

Ok, that makes more sense.

I had a Düsseldorf Alt score 40, but either didn't advance, or they didn't write the placement on the score sheet. Did mark of mini-BOS though. I'm happy with the score, but disappointed that didn't come with a placement. My Weizenbock scored 34. Wish that was a little higher, but it's not a terrible score.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: nukebrewer on April 03, 2014, 11:38:43 PM
Anyone know the status of judging in NYC?  I was there judging on Saturday, but I know we didn't get through all the categories.  There was talk of finishing the judging that night, but I don't know if that panned out.  I had to get on the road back to CT before I could find out any more details.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: duxx on April 04, 2014, 02:50:36 AM
Hey all, I'm the KC NHC site director

too bad the voting didn't last one more week...your and your team's excellent performance in the First Round might have gotten you more Governing Committee votes.  or maybe you didn't need any more.   8)

thanks for your hard work--
--Michael

Yes, I sure could have used the extra votes!  Got an "I regret to inform you" email from Jake Keeler yesterday.  Maybe next year?  I hear, third times a charm?
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: michaeltrego on April 04, 2014, 11:52:59 AM
Anyone know the status of judging in NYC?

According the NYC coordinator, they should be mailed out at some point next week.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: darwin18 on April 04, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Has anyone heard if the score sheets for Nashville have been sent out?  I only ask because their competition was last weekend, although I believe they may still have a few categories to finish up.

Thanks

Paul
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: amsteele81 on April 04, 2014, 04:28:50 PM
Has anyone heard if the score sheets for Nashville have been sent out?  I only ask because their competition was last weekend, although I believe they may still have a few categories to finish up.

Thanks

Paul

It took over a month to get Music City Brew-Off score sheets back, IIRC. I think the same club is running the show for the NHC.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 04, 2014, 10:53:33 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I got my scores in the mail today from KC.  I have not seen them posted in entry site, or anywhere else yet. 

On a happy note - got two through (Dortmunder and Mild) :)

just spoke to the person I know won Category 9; his cover sheet wasn't marked either.  I think it's pretty safe to say you finished 3rd/should brew that 70/- again.
congrats--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Qhrumphf on April 04, 2014, 11:10:40 PM
For those who were judged already, are the results posted under your login at www.brewingcompetition.com ?

I got my scores in the mail today from KC.  I have not seen them posted in entry site, or anywhere else yet. 

On a happy note - got two through (Dortmunder and Mild) :)

just spoke to the person I know won Category 9; his cover sheet wasn't marked either.  I think it's pretty safe to say you finished 3rd/should brew that 70/- again.
congrats--
--Michael

I know it wasn't directed to me, but unless anyone's got any special information regarding category 7 to tell me otherwise, that's got my hopes up if other finalists didn't have their sheets marked.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: braufessor on April 05, 2014, 12:32:32 AM


I got my scores in the mail today from KC.  I have not seen them posted in entry site, or anywhere else yet. 

On a happy note - got two through (Dortmunder and Mild) :)
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just spoke to the person I know won Category 9; his cover sheet wasn't marked either.  I think it's pretty safe to say you finished 3rd/should brew that 70/- again.
congrats--
--Michael
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That would be awesome.  I will be cautiously optimistic and put it on the brew schedule in the next week or two.
Thanks!
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: cmack15 on April 05, 2014, 01:25:49 AM
Anyone have an idea how long it will take for New York results to get posted?  This is my first year doing NHC so it is all new to me.
Cheers and good luck
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 05, 2014, 08:43:12 PM
I got my results from KC in the mail today.  I feel great in that I got a 38 for my Helles that was recently judged in another competition as flawed with DMS and diacetyl, which was not present in any of the other bottles I have consumed since that comp.  My other beer was a Flanders Red which I felt could have been scored even lower, since it is a blend and still young, comparatively - but it still got a 32, so I am pleased.  Maybe the Helles sample in the other contest just got mishandled... Anyway, great job getting the results out KC organizers and judges!

I now can't wait for the NHC and club night to check out some truly outstanding homebrew. :)
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: darwin18 on April 07, 2014, 02:47:20 PM
Nashville is apparently still working on finishing up the last few categories.  They just posted on their Facebook page a call for judges including:

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FINAL NHC JUDGING SESSION!!!!
I need any and all available judges (or newbies who want to judge or learn to judge) on Tuesday 4/8/14 @ Rebel 6pm. Also need a couple stewards as well. If u can make it out, PLEASE DO! Let me or Jonathan Adams know if you can make it. We will be judging English Browns and Meads.

Newbies who want to judge or learn to judge on $14 entries.  Outstanding.  Mental note for 2015 - Request KC site.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: AmandaK on April 07, 2014, 03:01:36 PM
Nashville is apparently still working on finishing up the last few categories.  They just posted on their Facebook page a call for judges including:

Quote
FINAL NHC JUDGING SESSION!!!!
I need any and all available judges (or newbies who want to judge or learn to judge) on Tuesday 4/8/14 @ Rebel 6pm. Also need a couple stewards as well. If u can make it out, PLEASE DO! Let me or Jonathan Adams know if you can make it. We will be judging English Browns and Meads.

Newbies who want to judge or learn to judge on $14 entries.  Outstanding.  Mental note for 2015 - Request KC site.

I shouldn't laugh at this, but... Hahahaha. Thank you for that. :)

Sad thing is, we only had 570 entries show up in KC. If people outside of the Midwest realized that we are indeed serious about running the best comps we possibly can, we would probably be near the 750 limit.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: darwin18 on April 07, 2014, 03:04:22 PM
Amanda, I recall that the 2013 KC site was also well run.  I considered requesting it this year but thought that it might be too far from NC.  Definitely going to be requesting it in 2015 after seeing how well run it was the last couple years. 
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: fmader on April 07, 2014, 03:10:02 PM
Nashville is apparently still working on finishing up the last few categories.  They just posted on their Facebook page a call for judges including:

Quote
FINAL NHC JUDGING SESSION!!!!
I need any and all available judges (or newbies who want to judge or learn to judge) on Tuesday 4/8/14 @ Rebel 6pm. Also need a couple stewards as well. If u can make it out, PLEASE DO! Let me or Jonathan Adams know if you can make it. We will be judging English Browns and Meads.

Newbies who want to judge or learn to judge on $14 entries.  Outstanding.  Mental note for 2015 - Request KC site.

I shouldn't laugh at this, but... Hahahaha. Thank you for that. :)

Sad thing is, we only had 570 entries show up in KC. If people outside of the Midwest realized that we are indeed serious about running the best comps we possibly can, we would probably be near the 750 limit.

I'll keep this in mind next year since my entries turned up missing after being delivered to my site. Ugh
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: AmandaK on April 07, 2014, 03:17:19 PM
Amanda, I recall that the 2013 KC site was also well run.  I considered requesting it this year but thought that it might be too far from NC.  Definitely going to be requesting it in 2015 after seeing how well run it was the last couple years.

Both times ran by Steve Cook as site director (duxx20 on here).
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 07, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
Amanda, I recall that the 2013 KC site was also well run.  I considered requesting it this year but thought that it might be too far from NC.  Definitely going to be requesting it in 2015 after seeing how well run it was the last couple years.

Both times ran by Steve Cook as site director (duxx20 on here).

runs a tight ship.  Really cares about this competition.  Hopefully he'll get the votes for AHA GC next year...
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: theDarkSide on April 07, 2014, 03:58:24 PM
Philly also runs a great competition.  I was a little disappointed last year they didn't host a 1st round comp, but since they were the NHC host, I understand why they didn't.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 07, 2014, 04:12:22 PM
We were at Zanesville over the weekend. Mrs. R worked as a steward, I judged. Had a fun time. Saw many that we knew, met some new people, will see many at the NHC in GR.

It is a well run competition, Big Frank does a great job as organizer, Bill and the rest of the team work hard, and they had the envelopes stuffed with score sheets by the time for pizza and the raffle. Good job.

I had 4 in, and while none were under 30, none advanced. Two went to mini-BOS, but did not advance. Both of those were scored at 40.5, so there were even better beers on the table. Not the first time we have struck out, but there is always next year. Just have to brew a little better next year.

On the plus side, Saturday before NHC Mrs. R will be in GR to sort bottles at the 2nd round drop of site, as she is head Steward. Now I can pitch in and help, as I have no conflicts of interest with beers in the second round.

Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: braufessor on April 07, 2014, 04:27:59 PM
Shhhhhhhh......... Quit telling everyone how well the KC site is run - now it is going to fill up right away next year ;)

I did pick that site for three reasons though this year-
1.) I knew it did not fill up right away last year, and figured if there were too many entries, it might be a good first choice.
2.) It was an early regional, and I figured I would know my results sooner and it would work out better with the age of the beers I was sending.
3.)Positive experiences with other comps run by the same people. 

All of those thoughts ended up working out as I had anticipated.

In fairness, it was actually kind of a hard choice - I am about the same distance from Milwaukee, KC and St. Paul - all 3 of those groups consistently run great competitions.  Also, Drunk Monk is a well run comp. and I assume that is the same people that are doing the Chicago site.  I sent to St. Paul last year and had no complaints.  I don't have personal experience further east or west for the most part, but, I do think all of the midwest locations are very well-staffed and well-run.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 07, 2014, 04:34:32 PM
I had 4 in, and while none were under 30, none advanced. Two went to mini-BOS, but did not advance. Both of those were scored at 40.5, so there were even better beers on the table. Not the first time we have struck out, but there is always next year. Just have to brew a little better next year.


great scores.  sounds like tough competition.  What categories were they?
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 07, 2014, 05:21:32 PM
I had 4 in, and while none were under 30, none advanced. Two went to mini-BOS, but did not advance. Both of those were scored at 40.5, so there were even better beers on the table. Not the first time we have struck out, but there is always next year. Just have to brew a little better next year.


great scores.  sounds like tough competition.  What categories were they?
5c Doppelbock.
9e Strong Scoth Ale

The others were a German Pils and a Munich Dunkel.

I will enjoy drinking those those summer, if summer ever comes to MI.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 08, 2014, 02:05:40 AM
Well done Jeff.  I got a 32 on a Flanders that isn't quite done yet, but it still managed a 32, despite being young and FLAT!  I tried those Prime Dose tablets and they didn't work quickly enough to carb up the samples I sent, despite being warmed for two weeks at 74F with a digital heat wrap before being sent.  The positive side is I can let the few other bottled ones take more time to carb and see how they are.  I got great feedback and that was all I hoped for.  On a Helles I got a 38 which didn't advance, but I'm happy with that score as it was overcarbed and thus had a carbonic bite...again great feedback from KC.  Thanks judges, stewards and comp site organizers!!!
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 08, 2014, 03:26:26 AM
Anyone know when Seattle is sending out results?

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Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: theDarkSide on April 08, 2014, 12:11:42 PM
Rumor has it that Philly mailed out their scoresheets yesterday.

Seattle, in the past, always had a quick turnaround so I'd bet they are in the mail or soon will be.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 08, 2014, 12:26:27 PM
naturally my little-too-roasty schwarzbier that medaled last year was the one that didn't qualify this year.  I guess everyone else stepped up their game.   8)
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: epic1856 on April 08, 2014, 02:51:13 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

 

Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 08, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

I don't know how many Pilsners were at Zanesville, but the had at least 2 judge pairs for category 2. I entered 3 lagers, but that didn't really help. I brew a lot of lagers, as those are what we like in the summer on the deck. I like the ones we entered a lot, but the judges didn't.

Will me first round entries per category per site be posted?

Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 08, 2014, 03:15:41 PM

Will first round entries per category per site be posted?

they were last year and I suspect will be again. 

...man, 90 IPAs.  that's a lot of disappointed brewers of great beer. 
I would be the first to admit I focused on categories with less insane competition levels.  2x Dark lager, 2x Cider.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: epic1856 on April 08, 2014, 03:33:03 PM

Will first round entries per category per site be posted?

they were last year and I suspect will be again. 

...man, 90 IPAs.  that's a lot of disappointed brewers of great beer. 
I would be the first to admit I focused on categories with less insane competition levels.  2x Dark lager, 2x Cider.

I just looked at the judge assignment which have the entry counts per category. These were the low count.
Cat 1: 11 entries
Cat 2: 5 entries
Cat 3: 8 entries
Cat 4: 10 entries
Cat 7: 12 entries
Cat 27: 5 entries
Car 28: 6 entries
Cat 24: 5 entries

I'm curious how the other regions have their entries broken down by category. I've been wondering with the 4 beers per entrant if this has changed the type beers people are entering.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: theDarkSide on April 08, 2014, 03:52:18 PM

Will first round entries per category per site be posted?

they were last year and I suspect will be again. 

...man, 90 IPAs.  that's a lot of disappointed brewers of great beer. 
I would be the first to admit I focused on categories with less insane competition levels.  2x Dark lager, 2x Cider.

I just looked at the judge assignment which have the entry counts per category. These were the low count.
Cat 1: 11 entries
Cat 2: 5 entries
Cat 3: 8 entries
Cat 4: 10 entries
Cat 7: 12 entries
Cat 27: 5 entries
Car 28: 6 entries
Cat 24: 5 entries

I'm curious how the other regions have their entries broken down by category. I've been wondering with the 4 beers per entrant if this has changed the type beers people are entering.

Damn...I like those odds in the cider categories...should have shipped them there.  Hopefully they got through in Philly.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: joeinma on April 08, 2014, 04:53:58 PM
Still waiting for NYC regional scoresheets, but the beer I sent, a California Common scored a 37.5 at the Ocean State Homebrew Competition this past weekend in RI and placed 2nd via mini-BOS!  So fingers crossed!  :)
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: udubdawg on April 08, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
Cat 26 - 3 in KC, all high enough to advance.
Cat 24 - 5 in KC, all 35 or higher.
cider categories each had 6-7 and I believe 8 melomels showed up in KC.
Too bad - I'd like to see more ciders/meads entered.

I judged 11 Pilsners and I believe there were 11 Dark Lagers, 12 Amber Lagers and low teens Light Lagers.

There are fewer of us lager brewers but there's a bunch of really skilled people making them.  I suspect the same goes for mead/cider but even more pronounced.  So it's not poor competition but there's no worry of getting lost in a cloud of hops at one table or dominated by 40 imperial stouts at another.

good luck to everyone that advanced and those that haven't been judged yet.

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: lbrewski on April 08, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

Also judged in San Diego and agree with your comments. They do a great job running it, I think this was my 4th or 5th year and it gets better each time.

I had Strong Ale and there were 24 entries for 8 judges, 9 made the mini-bos and were all very good of course. So although  I'm confident we got it right it was challenging and took some discussion and give and take to get there. A very enjoyable mini-bos session with the other two excellent judges.

One of the hard things about the mini-bos format is to see a beer not medal when you think it might have been one that you scored >40 on a score sheet. I purposely try to NOT to remember the entry numbers of the ones we send along so I can (hopefully) be more objective, so most of the time I have no clue or I'm just not sure.



Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: dkfick on April 08, 2014, 05:58:25 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

I don't know how many Pilsners were at Zanesville, but the had at least 2 judge pairs for category 2. I entered 3 lagers, but that didn't really help. I brew a lot of lagers, as those are what we like in the summer on the deck. I like the ones we entered a lot, but the judges didn't.

Will me first round entries per category per site be posted?
There were 18 Pilsners Jeff.  5 Advanced to Mini-Bos.  All of the ones that scored over 30 except for 1.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 08, 2014, 06:12:27 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

I don't know how many Pilsners were at Zanesville, but the had at least 2 judge pairs for category 2. I entered 3 lagers, but that didn't really help. I brew a lot of lagers, as those are what we like in the summer on the deck. I like the ones we entered a lot, but the judges didn't.

Will me first round entries per category per site be posted?
There were 18 Pilsners Jeff.  5 Advanced to Mini-Bos.  All of the ones that scored over 30 except for 1.
18 in Zanesville vs 5 in San Diego. Well we know what San Diego is famous for. Might be interesting to see all regions categories in a spread sheet. Where are more lagers brewed, where do the make more ciders and meads.

My first guess is that ciders will be more popular in apple growing states, but what do I know?
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: james on April 08, 2014, 07:02:12 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

I don't know how many Pilsners were at Zanesville, but the had at least 2 judge pairs for category 2. I entered 3 lagers, but that didn't really help. I brew a lot of lagers, as those are what we like in the summer on the deck. I like the ones we entered a lot, but the judges didn't.

Will me first round entries per category per site be posted?
There were 18 Pilsners Jeff.  5 Advanced to Mini-Bos.  All of the ones that scored over 30 except for 1.
18 in Zanesville vs 5 in San Diego. Well we know what San Diego is famous for. Might be interesting to see all regions categories in a spread sheet. Where are more lagers brewed, where do the make more ciders and meads.

My first guess is that ciders will be more popular in apple growing states, but what do I know?

I didnt judge the categories but I think cider entries were pretty low in Seattle.

We had 1 flight of light lagers (12 or 13 entries) and 2 flights of pilsners.  It was nice to be able to judge those, I never get to because I always enter those cats (sent mine to Sacramento this year)
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: jeffy on April 08, 2014, 07:31:53 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

I don't know how many Pilsners were at Zanesville, but the had at least 2 judge pairs for category 2. I entered 3 lagers, but that didn't really help. I brew a lot of lagers, as those are what we like in the summer on the deck. I like the ones we entered a lot, but the judges didn't.

Will me first round entries per category per site be posted?
There were 18 Pilsners Jeff.  5 Advanced to Mini-Bos.  All of the ones that scored over 30 except for 1.
18 in Zanesville vs 5 in San Diego. Well we know what San Diego is famous for. Might be interesting to see all regions categories in a spread sheet. Where are more lagers brewed, where do the make more ciders and meads.

My first guess is that ciders will be more popular in apple growing states, but what do I know?

I didnt judge the categories but I think cider entries were pretty low in Seattle.

We had 1 flight of light lagers (12 or 13 entries) and 2 flights of pilsners.  It was nice to be able to judge those, I never get to because I always enter those cats (sent mine to Sacramento this year)

Not everybody enters in the closest region.  Our club sent our entries to Zanesville, rather than to the South region.  So mine was one of the 18 pilsners there.  I hope to get the score sheets soon.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: klickitat jim on April 08, 2014, 08:20:36 PM
I judged in San Diego over the weekend. A couple of thoughts and observations;
I judged IPA and American Ales

About 90 IPA's were judged, About 20 advanced to a mini-BOS.

About 60 American Ales were judged, 15-18 advanced to mini-BOS

This is the first time I used the "Checklist" Scoresheets. I like them. At first I was hesitant, but I think they are effective. Talking to other judges, they had the same sentiment.

If you want to have better odds on advancing to the 2nd round, brew lagers, ciders, and meads. Most of them had less than 10 entries per category. I believe the Pilsner category only had 5 entries.

Quaff and the local organizers run a great 1st round. They get a lot of judges. For the IPA category, they had 22 judges and most if not all were BJCP certified. I don't think any judges judged more than 10 beers per flight.

I don't know how many Pilsners were at Zanesville, but the had at least 2 judge pairs for category 2. I entered 3 lagers, but that didn't really help. I brew a lot of lagers, as those are what we like in the summer on the deck. I like the ones we entered a lot, but the judges didn't.

Will me first round entries per category per site be posted?
There were 18 Pilsners Jeff.  5 Advanced to Mini-Bos.  All of the ones that scored over 30 except for 1.
18 in Zanesville vs 5 in San Diego. Well we know what San Diego is famous for. Might be interesting to see all regions categories in a spread sheet. Where are more lagers brewed, where do the make more ciders and meads.

My first guess is that ciders will be more popular in apple growing states, but what do I know?

I didnt judge the categories but I think cider entries were pretty low in Seattle.

We had 1 flight of light lagers (12 or 13 entries) and 2 flights of pilsners.  It was nice to be able to judge those, I never get to because I always enter those cats (sent mine to Sacramento this year)

Any 1C make it through?
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: james on April 08, 2014, 09:21:09 PM

Any 1C make it through?

I recall one (of two) making it into mini-bos but don't remember which ones placed.  Hope it was yours!
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: klickitat jim on April 08, 2014, 10:41:02 PM
I'd be amazed if it did
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Al on April 09, 2014, 06:52:45 PM
No word from Austin Judging yet...  :(
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: klickitat jim on April 09, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
A little bird told me I didn't go through to round two. Seattle sheets to be mailed next week.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: theDarkSide on April 09, 2014, 08:42:56 PM
A little bird told me I didn't go through to round two. Seattle sheets to be mailed next week.

Here, birdie birdie...
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Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Jimmy K on April 09, 2014, 09:30:16 PM
We just got Philly scoresheets today.

Sent from my XT1030 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: sweetcell on April 09, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
i've seen mention that results would be posted online, but haven't been able to find them anywhere...

so, are KC results available online?  i haven't received my scoresheets yet even though everyone one else has (or seems to have).

edit: nevermind, found the answer... although it doesn't jive with what the KC organizer (duxx) said here (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=18878.msg240496#msg240496)... so maybe this isn't the answer?

Q: When will results be posted?

A: After a First Round judging center has evaluated all entries in their competition, the results must be verified prior to posting on HomebrewersAssociation.org. Results from individual judging centers will be posted as results are verified. Anticipate results to begin being posted the week of April 18th.
(...)
Competition results can be found on the National Homebrew Competition Winners page.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/winners/
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: dkfick on April 09, 2014, 09:47:59 PM
Still waiting on Chicago to judge so I don't want to hear it ;-)
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2014, 12:40:52 AM
I'll share my response to an email about the little bird.

This is not belly aching, just stating fact. SWMBO and I took vacation, a political feet unto itself, room, parking, and one meal was $550. Add fuel, a few beers, other meals, I'm invested, so to speak. She stewarded 3 sessions I judged 3. That earned me a sneak peak that amounted to "I don't remember seeing your name on the beers that advanced. Sheets mailing next week."

Having first hand experience, seeing what all goes into it... I actually feel pushy getting that much info. I couldn't imagine 150-300 people wanting to know like right now. If it were me I'd want to get the info out asap to stop the constant emails. So I'm relatively certain they are doing their best.

Having said that, WHERE'S MY SCORE SHEETS.

Sorry, I'm still just a kid when it comes to brewing
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: mroakley on April 10, 2014, 12:54:54 AM
The CA State Fair Homebrewing competition took four or five months (more maybe?) to get out scoresheets a few years ago.

Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Stevie on April 10, 2014, 12:56:14 AM

The CA State Fair Homebrewing competition took four or five months (more maybe?) to get out scoresheets a few years ago.

Needless to say, the last two years there's been someone else running the competition.

Just saying.   :)

Yeah, the guy from before wasn't very efficient. Or friendly.
Title: Re: NHC 2014
Post by: Jimmy K on April 10, 2014, 01:59:34 AM

The CA State Fair Homebrewing competition took four or five months (more maybe?) to get out scoresheets a few years ago.

Needless to say, the last two years there's been someone else running the competition.

Just saying.   :)

Yeah, the guy from before wasn't very efficient. Or friendly.
It can turn into a lot of work if you're not smart about organizing the paperwork.