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Title: spent grains
Post by: pashusa on November 10, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
What do you do with your spent grains after you are done mashing? Are they good for the garden as a mulch? Feed them to the dog or cat... pigs? Compost pile?
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: Matt B on November 10, 2009, 07:15:22 PM
I toss them in the compost heap. Seems to make great compost to toss onto the hop garden area. I've given some to a friend who's made some all-grain-ish bread with them, but that's a lot of bread to make with 10 pounds of spent grains.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: theDarkSide on November 10, 2009, 07:15:51 PM
Give them to my neighbors chickens.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: hamiltont on November 10, 2009, 07:29:12 PM
We usually have at least 4 deer that stop by daily.  They love 'em!!!!
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: jackfromjax on November 10, 2009, 07:44:29 PM
I have a compost heap next to a game trail behind the house.  What the critters don't eat, I mix into the rest.  Be sure to turn it every day for the first few days or the smell will overwhelm.  Before I started mixing the grain in with the rest of the heap, my wife would ask if there was something dead in the back yard.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: babalu87 on November 10, 2009, 07:54:25 PM
I think my chickens look forward to brew day as much as I do

Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: dennis5280 on November 10, 2009, 07:55:26 PM
I compost as well.  I have never had problems with the smell, but then again my compost is in the far back of my yard...I've never asked the neighbor's if they thought something died back there  ;D.  I've thought about making bread but never got around to it. I would be interested in hearing others that have used grains for bread etc..
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: zee on November 10, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
i toss it on the compost. it usually stinks for about a day or two until it dries out a bit.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: majorvices on November 10, 2009, 08:29:51 PM
I dump mine on the Hunt Club property at the end of the road. Kind of gets back at those bastards from throwing beer cans all over the damn cove.  ;D
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: blatz on November 10, 2009, 09:30:17 PM
don't give them to your dogs - I think they get a visit from "Rheeah" if they eat too much - I've never tried it.

you can make them into bicuits for dogs, but I never got around to trying it.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: scottyb on November 10, 2009, 09:52:53 PM
compost
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: smurfe on November 10, 2009, 10:01:42 PM
I dump mine at the woods line over the fence in the back of the property. When we brew at my buddies house we throw them in the trash can for BFI to pick up. I have never had a smell issue as I rake them to a thin layer and they dry up pretty quick. I am sure the wildlife loves it though. The only time I have an odor is when I forget to rinse out the shop vac as I use it to remove the grains from my mash tun.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: hamiltont on November 10, 2009, 10:04:57 PM
Ha... I had a funny thought reading that.  Is that a mash tun posing as a shop vac or a shop vac posing as a mash tun?  ;D
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: smurfe on November 10, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
LOL, no, just another essential tool in my brewery. My mash tun can be heavy (15 gallon keg) and it sits high for the short guy I am. Plus you have to wait for it to cool to handle it. I use the shop vac to suck out the grains as soon as I am done sparging and my boil has started. I can then start a recirculation cleaning of my system so all of that is done by the time my boil is done. After I chill my wort I have maybe 15 minutes of clean up and I am done for the day. My shop vac has some large wheels on it and I can roll it across the yard. No carrying. Works great for me.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: zee on November 10, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
yeah as long as they dry out you won't have a problem. you want stink, leave them in your mash tun for 24 hours and then open it up and take a whiff. phew!
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: smurfe on November 10, 2009, 10:15:01 PM
Yup, last time I forgot to spray out the shop vac I about hurled when I opened it. I am a paramedic that has smelled bodies in all states of decomposition. It ranks right up there with the worse.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: zee on November 10, 2009, 10:15:49 PM
that sounds about right. ;)
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: weazletoe on November 10, 2009, 10:27:35 PM
Mine go straight in the garbage. I put to two trash bags in a 5gal buct, and fill 'er up. Then out to the trash.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 10, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Dump it on my garden. It makes great black soil.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: woody on November 10, 2009, 11:00:20 PM
Mine get dumped in a pile in the backyard.  I saved a cup full and made a loaf of treberbrot yesterday.   That wad a hit with the wife and kids
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: a10t2 on November 10, 2009, 11:30:54 PM
I make bread, then throw away the other 95%. And feel bad about doing it... oh, for a backyard.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: realbeerguy on November 10, 2009, 11:47:16 PM
I have a buddy who has an organic farm.  He loves the spent grains for his compost.  Gives plenty of nitrogen,
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: vpbecker on November 11, 2009, 12:17:39 AM
I put them on the compost pile turn them under and let er rip...  The dogs find them a couple days later and it is granola poop city for the next few days.  Never been any issue. :o
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: tubercle on November 11, 2009, 12:56:10 AM
Dump them in the garden
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: BrewingRover on November 11, 2009, 04:59:01 AM
Another garden dumper. Sometimes the squirrels and rabbits like them, sometimes not.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: bonjour on November 11, 2009, 05:00:10 AM
I like to dump them in the garden and then turn them in.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: zee on November 11, 2009, 05:43:17 AM
I put them on the compost pile turn them under and let er rip...  The dogs find them a couple days later and it is granola poop city for the next few days.  Never been any issue. :o

actually i haven't heard that grains are bad for dogs. hops on the other hand i have heard can make your dog sick. so keep them away if you use any mash hops.

that being said, mash hops will totally screw up your compost. the antibacterial qualities of the hops will literally make a stripe in your compost that won't decompose. i've never tossed the hop sludge from my kettle on there, but i assume they would do the same thing.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: dwarven_stout on November 11, 2009, 03:51:50 PM
that being said, mash hops will totally screw up your compost. the antibacterial qualities of the hops will literally make a stripe in your compost that won't decompose. i've never tossed the hop sludge from my kettle on there, but i assume they would do the same thing.

Good advice there. If you have the space, you could still spread it out and let the worms go to town.

I usually make a few loaves of bread and some crackers after I brew (recipe for the crackers up in the "Cooking with Beer" forum), and then compost the rest.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: karlh on November 11, 2009, 04:03:02 PM
I compost my grains in one of those black boxes made for yard waste and kitchen scraps.  It all makes its way back to the garden.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: novabrew on November 11, 2009, 04:21:18 PM
Throw them on the compost pile and stay away for a few days. ;D
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: bluesman on November 11, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
On the garden and in the compost pile depending on the time of year.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: jhwk on November 11, 2009, 11:41:36 PM
Right now they are getting spread between the compost heap and the garden.  The deer have been caught hanging around more lately...
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: redbeerman on November 12, 2009, 02:17:26 AM
In the barrel composter they go.  It seems to help break down the other stuff in there quicker.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: 3dogbrewer on November 12, 2009, 11:30:48 AM
I throw them in the farmers swamp behind my back fence. It seems to be thriving in that spent grain area.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: stout_fan on November 12, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
A friend and I were brewing our Samiclaus clone on my deck and when the wind shifted we said "what died?"
For hours we couldn't figure it out. When I went to throw out the 89 lbs of spent Pilsner only then did I discover it was the 30 lbs from the previous week's Maudite clone in my composter.

Hope the neighbors don't decide to lynch me. I know I can buy one off with beer. Not sure about the other three.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: slimsparty on November 12, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
compost.  I put leaves, grass, and some kitchen vegie scraps in there to balance out the mix. 

I guess it is part hippie, part capitalism.  I have to pay $3 per garbage/leaf bag so anything I can recycle or compost is free.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: tankdeer on November 12, 2009, 04:17:26 PM
Not a lot I can do living in the city and all. So most of it just goes in the garbage. Although I do make spent grain bread from time to time, of course that doesn't use up too much of it.  ;)
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: akr71 on November 12, 2009, 05:03:35 PM
In my town, every house is given a big green dumpster for compost.  Every 2 weeks the county Waste Management collects the compost and 'residual garbage' (the other week, they collect recycling only).  Everything biodegradable goes into the bin - I mean everything - meat, bones, pizza boxes, wet/soiled paper towl, wax paper.  They collect it and turn it into compost/black earth which they sell for $4/bag or something ridiculously low like $40/ton.

I dump it into a biodegradable bad and then into the compost dumpster.  The neighbor was getting a little testy when I just dumped it unbagged into the bin - after a couple of days the smell was quite putrid and in the heat of the summer, squirming with maggots like you wouldn't believe!
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: dan1076 on November 12, 2009, 06:25:15 PM
I live in the a village and the subdivision restrictions don't allow composting.  I got in trouble for dumping it in an adjacent undeveloped lot.  Now I usually take it over to my dad's or throw it into the trash.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: dwarven_stout on November 12, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
I live in the a village and the subdivision restrictions don't allow composting. 

In this day and age? They must be crazy.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: dan1076 on November 13, 2009, 01:55:33 AM
Yeah, the subdivision rules suck.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: Hokerer on November 13, 2009, 02:16:06 AM
I compost them for the garden.  Never really noticed much of an, uhhh, aroma problem.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: syv_jeff on November 13, 2009, 02:40:49 AM
I currently feed mine to the chickens, but I'm interested in some spent grain bread recipes. Can anyone share some.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: Steverino on November 13, 2009, 03:36:09 AM
I compost it--it's a great addition. I also have a bread recipe in which I use it. Adds a nice nutty flavor.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: pinnah on November 13, 2009, 01:37:13 PM
I try and compost,
but can you tell this fat rascal likes brew day a little too much? :D
He can really shovel it in.


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Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: valorian on November 13, 2009, 02:27:30 PM
I give them to my wife and she makes Peanut Butter dog biscuits. It's a funny site when I give her the grains, my dogs go nuts. They know when I giver her the grains that she's going to be making biscuits.

My dogs also love eating the raw barley too. It's not a bad snack while brewing to chew on a few.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: ndcube on November 13, 2009, 02:39:27 PM
I toss mine in the trash since I don't have much of a yard.  I should start saving them for someone else to compost.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: stout_fan on November 13, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
I currently feed mine to the chickens, but I'm interested in some spent grain bread recipes. Can anyone share some.
Sorry, but I've a bunch for spent chickens. :)

Lest I start getting a reputation for being a smart a$$, I'd better offer some real answers here:

Oster Bread Machine Spent Grain Recipe
1/4 cup filtered water, nuke for 15 sec (90°F)1 1/2 tsp bread yeast. hydrate for 15 minutes.

Meanwhile:

1 cup whole wheat flour
2 1/2 cups bread flour
1/2 pt spent grain (stout works the best)
2 Tbsp sugar (cane not corn)
1 tsp salt
1 Tbsp Basil grind fine with mortar and pestle
1 Tbsp Oregano   ditto
2 Tbsp Olive oil (oregano or red pepper infused if possible)
1 egg
1/4 cup milk nuked for 15 seconds

Set to 1P medium crust
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: Steverino on November 13, 2009, 06:08:08 PM
I currently feed mine to the chickens, but I'm interested in some spent grain bread recipes. Can anyone share some.

I just use my standard bread machine recipe, but substitute about a third of the flour with spent malt.

My standard recipe is:

1 1/3 cup water
3 1/2 cups flour
1-2 tsp salt
1 tbsp butter
1 tsp yeast
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: corkybstewart on November 13, 2009, 07:27:57 PM
don't give them to your dogs - I think they get a visit from "Rheeah" if they eat too much - I've never tried it.

you can make them into bicuits for dogs, but I never got around to trying it.
My dogs used to eat them off the top of the compost heap and it never bothered them.  I was always careful to dump the hops in the front yard where the dogs wouldn't get to them.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: blatz on November 13, 2009, 08:17:46 PM
don't give them to your dogs - I think they get a visit from "Rheeah" if they eat too much - I've never tried it.

you can make them into bicuits for dogs, but I never got around to trying it.
My dogs used to eat them off the top of the compost heap and it never bothered them.  I was always careful to dump the hops in the front yard where the dogs wouldn't get to them.

interesting.

you know, they've never really been interested in the mash tun with the spent grains, and i usually bag it up shortly after, but I've read so many stories of the after effects that I've never wanted to experiment myself  ;)
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: mtbrewer on November 13, 2009, 08:51:21 PM
I compost mine, the neighborhood dogs used to be on alert when I would fire up the kettle. Now I am nicer to my neighbors, and made a cover for my compost pile. I will admit it made me chuckle watching the dogs stuff themselves, then go home and........ ;D
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: syv_jeff on November 13, 2009, 10:17:05 PM
Thanks Steverino and Stout_Fan. I appreciate it
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: ne-brewer on November 14, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
I give them to my wife and she makes Peanut Butter dog biscuits. It's a funny site when I give her the grains, my dogs go nuts. They know when I giver her the grains that she's going to be making biscuits.

My dogs also love eating the raw barley too. It's not a bad snack while brewing to chew on a few.

We do the same! My dog also goes nuts over them. His favorite treat was always liver/garlic cookies till he got a taste of the peanut butter barly grain cookies.

I mill my grains in the driveway just outside the garage door and my dog always races over to lick up the grains and "dust" from the concrete afterwards ... he apparently has a liking for the grain also.

Simple recipe.... 3 cups grains, 2 cups whole wheat flour, 2 eggs, and a cup of peanut butter. Bake at 350 for 30 minutes. Found the reicpe on a vet website.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: lonnie mac on November 15, 2009, 12:18:50 AM
I give them to my wife and she makes Peanut Butter dog biscuits. It's a funny site when I give her the grains, my dogs go nuts. They know when I giver her the grains that she's going to be making biscuits.

Ha! My Barley goes nuts too, but funny, so does the wife! She somehow totally enjoys spending the day making them! She knows when I am usually done sparging and she will come out and scoop out 5 or 6 heaping (brewery) spoonfuls from the mash tun and freeze them...
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: tomthebrewer on November 15, 2009, 01:27:34 PM
I usually bag up 10 cups of grain to use for bread and the rest goes on the garden.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: richt on November 15, 2009, 10:12:47 PM
Compost bin for me.  I just started composting a month or so ago when I went all grain but didn't think twice about throwing the hops and trub in there too.  Will I have a problem with my compost not breaking down?
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: lonnie mac on November 15, 2009, 10:20:52 PM
Compost bin for me.  I just started composting a month or so ago when I went all grain but didn't think twice about throwing the hops and trub in there too.  Will I have a problem with my compost not breaking down?

You will have no problems my friend... Hops will compost just fine. However, just make sure that there are no dogs in the area. As you may know, hops and dogs DO NOT mix.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: gail on November 16, 2009, 12:02:26 AM
Since you're using a bin, just make sure you aerate the layers well.  When I add hops and trub and spent grains to my bin (being very careful so that the dog can't lap any up) I find that the mix is very wet.  Generally you need to add more "browns" at that point, plus a lot of air.  This wet glump has an easy fix at this time of year for much of the country:  just add a bunch of ground up leaves to your bin, along with some small sticks if you have them, and you'll keep your bin at a good "green" to "brown" ratio.  The sticks help keep the air entrenched in the mix.
Good luck.  Your plants and garden will enjoy the great compost you'll make,
Gail
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: bendbrew on November 16, 2009, 12:48:54 AM
I split it between composting and leaving it out for the birds and deer to hit.  I hope to have chickens next year so I will try that
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: pashusa on November 16, 2009, 06:33:37 PM
Do you suppose it would be a good ingredient in suet blocks for the winter birds?
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: andrewkona on November 16, 2009, 10:26:08 PM
Mine go over to the brewery across the street. A farmer comes by and picks up all their spent grain so I just add a little more to their pile.  :)
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: danwbrews on November 17, 2009, 01:53:47 AM
I compost mine too.  I keep a pile of leaves and other carbon rich stuff to cover it with so I don't have a smell or fly problem.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: central_wa_brewing on November 17, 2009, 04:20:46 AM

Bread, pizza crust, and cheese cake crust.

Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: ndcube on November 17, 2009, 01:10:00 PM
cheese cake crust.

That's an interesting one.  What style mash goes into it?
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: egghead on November 17, 2009, 02:44:49 PM
I throw it over the back fence.  A farmer keeps cattle back there, and it disappears pretty quickly.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: redzim on November 17, 2009, 02:56:48 PM
Bread - our church kitchen took an oatmeal bread recipe and subbed in my spent grains instead of the rolled oats. The folks love it and they keep telling me to brew more!  When you toast it, the spent grains get all crunchy and it really adds some mouthfeel to the bread....
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: boulderbrewer on November 17, 2009, 06:45:47 PM
Mine goes to the chickens and the ducks.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: central_wa_brewing on November 18, 2009, 04:22:58 AM
cheese cake crust.

That's an interesting one.  What style mash goes into it?
The latest was the mash from a winter ale.  The cheese cake filling had one bottle of Jubelale simmered down to a cup.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: stout_fan on November 18, 2009, 01:01:06 PM
BTw here's some information I found:
In the compost, those are not maggots but worms.
Maggots only eat meat.
Worms eat the the sugars and grain turning it into compost.
This is a good thing. Apparently they like sugar and acid.
Supposedly spent grain and coffee grounds are the ideal combination.
They reduced the level of my compost bin considerably in less than a week.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: wilypig on November 20, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
I use mine to feed the hop mounds in my garden. I call it beer-cycling.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: dirtyjerzey on November 24, 2009, 02:47:47 PM
Quote
Apparently they like sugar and acid


...reminds me of college!  :P
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: slimsparty on November 24, 2009, 03:20:02 PM
Sunday I was running the fertilizer spreader around the front weed beds (my yard) and spotted a few barley hulls on some holes I filled with compost.

I smiled and thought of this post.
Title: Re: spent grains
Post by: budweiser on November 24, 2009, 08:16:13 PM
Dog cookies....however that only takes up a pound or two. The rest goes into the compost pile. It's rainy here in Oregon so I don't worry about the stink or what happens after I dump it. Rain seems to keep the stink down. :)