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Title: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: flbrewer on April 18, 2014, 03:23:09 pm
I just received the ~8 gallon Speidel Fermenter and I'm curious if anyone else has given this a shot? Today also marks the day that my large glass carboys get repurposed somehow!
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Pinski on April 18, 2014, 03:49:47 pm
Stash them away in case you want to get into sours someday.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on April 18, 2014, 04:33:07 pm

I just received the ~8 gallon Speidel Fermenter and I'm curious if anyone else has given this a shot? Today also marks the day that my large glass carboys get repurposed somehow!

I have a Speidel. It's great. Not much to say. Gets the job done and doesn't shatter when dropped (like my glass carboy). I have never used the spigot. I just siphon.


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Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: flbrewer on April 18, 2014, 05:53:25 pm
Why avoid the spigot?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: euge on April 18, 2014, 06:32:36 pm
Why avoid the spigot?

Yeah.

Anyway, get rid of those glass carboys. Smooth move on the Speidel fermenter!
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on April 19, 2014, 06:53:32 am

Why avoid the spigot?
It seems like my trub line is right there at the spigot every time. I guess I should try it but I always assume it will fill the keg with yeast.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: riceral on April 19, 2014, 06:54:28 am
I just received the ~8 gallon Speidel Fermenter and I'm curious if anyone else has given this a shot? Today also marks the day that my large glass carboys get repurposed somehow!

Mine will be delivered today. I have been waiting for one for a few months now. Looking forward to something that won't shatter if dropped.

Stash them away in case you want to get into sours someday.

Yep. That's what I plan to do with mine.

Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: flbrewer on April 21, 2014, 06:26:02 pm
Haven't had a chance to do much with this yet, but I am impressed on how small the fermenter looks. VERY light weight and seemingly great construction.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: S. cerevisiae on April 22, 2014, 06:50:34 pm
I received my Speidel 30L fermentation vessel today.  The airlock is so large that it looks like a caricature.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: S. cerevisiae on April 22, 2014, 07:00:09 pm
It seems like my trub line is right there at the spigot every time.

That's a lot of trub.  Do you transfer the entire contents of your kettle to the Speidel?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on April 22, 2014, 07:00:49 pm
Yes. I transfer everything.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: S. cerevisiae on April 22, 2014, 07:21:50 pm
I use a false bottom, whole cones, and an immersion chiller.  This setup allows me to leave most of the break and almost all of the hop material in kettle.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: galapagos jim on April 22, 2014, 07:59:10 pm
I've also got the 8 gallon Spiedel. I like it. It's light, the handles make it easy to maneuver, cleans easily, and it's got enough headspace on a 5-6 gallon batch that I don't need to worry about a blowoff tube.

I use the spigot. Some people don't because infectious crud can grow in there if you don't clean it thoroughly. Case in point: a couple of batches ago I drew a gravity sample after filling the fermenter, and when I came back to transfer to keg the spigot was black and nasty. I siphoned that batch out. Last weekend I made sure to spritz the spigot with Star San before putting it down to ferment.

One more note: there's almost exactly 1/2 gallon of dead space at the bottom, below the level of the outlet. So if you do use the spigot that's how much you'll lose unless you tip the dregs out.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on April 22, 2014, 08:14:50 pm

I use a false bottom, whole cones, and an immersion chiller.  This setup allows me to leave most of the break and almost all of the hop material in kettle.

I have thought many times about whirl pooling and other methods to remove the trub and hops. But in the end it is just so fast and easy to pour the whole kettle of wort into the fermenter. Laziness wins out for me every time.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2014, 11:16:03 am
I'm thinking about ordering an 8gal. Is it true that they will handle a 5 gal big belgian without a blowoff? How tall are they including airlock?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: a10t2 on April 23, 2014, 11:46:30 am
I have thought many times about whirl pooling and other methods to remove the trub and hops. But in the end it is just so fast and easy to pour the whole kettle of wort into the fermenter. Laziness wins out for me every time.

Put something under the side with the spigot and ferment at an angle. Can't get any lazier than that.

Couldn't you just stop pouring before you start to dump the trub though? I have to hold my kettle at a significant angle and shake it to get the trub out for cleaning.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2014, 11:59:42 am
I'm thinking about ordering an 8gal. Is it true that they will handle a 5 gal big belgian without a blowoff? How tall are they including airlock?

Too late, already ordered it. Hopefully it does the trick and fits in my 14cf chest freezer
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on April 23, 2014, 01:22:51 pm

I have thought many times about whirl pooling and other methods to remove the trub and hops. But in the end it is just so fast and easy to pour the whole kettle of wort into the fermenter. Laziness wins out for me every time.

Put something under the side with the spigot and ferment at an angle. Can't get any lazier than that.

Couldn't you just stop pouring before you start to dump the trub though? I have to hold my kettle at a significant angle and shake it to get the trub out for cleaning.

Good idea on tilting. I will try that. My spigot isn't covered. The trub is just in the vicinity. I've always assumed the trub will get sucked up by the siphon. With a tilt that may be minimized.

I can whirl pool or stop short on the pour. Both leave a lot of beer behind. My beers are good with the trub in the fermenter so I have never wanted to waste the extra beer.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: flbrewer on April 23, 2014, 02:20:26 pm
I received my Speidel 30L fermentation vessel today.  The airlock is so large that it looks like a caricature.

(http://i.imgur.com/NfmmNUR.jpg)
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2014, 03:04:36 pm
Specimen cup?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 23, 2014, 03:12:06 pm
Specimen cup?

Same thing I thought  :D
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2014, 04:15:19 pm
How tall is the 8 gallon with airlock?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Stevie on April 23, 2014, 04:22:03 pm

How tall is the 8 gallon with airlock?

Jim, I don't know the height, but I have friends that use a second spigot as a blowoff when it wouldn't fit in their freezer. It fits on the lid easily.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Jeff M on April 23, 2014, 05:25:11 pm
How tall is the 8 gallon with airlock?

Approximate Dimensions: 13.5in Diameter x 18.5in Height (w/out airlock in place). Note - The maximum temperature that these plastic fermenters can handle is 140F.  The airlock looks to add at least 5 inches in high but id give it a conservitave estimate of 6 for your measurements.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2014, 06:11:58 pm
Right on, my freezer is about 29" deep
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on April 23, 2014, 06:17:26 pm

Right on, my freezer is about 29" deep

My freezer is 28" deep and I have 2 1" thick pieces of wood sitting in  bottom. My 8G Speidel with specimen cup on fits easily.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2014, 06:28:51 pm
Sweet!

I still really like my polycarbonate Cambro buckets, but it will be nice having an oversized fermentor for big crazies. I might have to get a second one for fruit. (Please don't tell anyone I'm going to use fruit... I don't want the rheinheitsge-Bots tracking me down)
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Jeff M on April 23, 2014, 06:31:17 pm
Sweet!

I still really like my polycarbonate Cambro buckets, but it will be nice having an oversized fermentor for big crazies. I might have to get a second one for fruit. (Please don't tell anyone I'm going to use fruit... I don't want the rheinheitsge-Bots tracking me down)

Who are you and what did you do with jim?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2014, 07:05:59 pm
I know, right? I think I'll be ok cuz it's going in a Quad. I'll just tell certain people that it's wine.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 24, 2014, 09:27:14 am
Shout out to B3. Ordered the 8 gallon yesterday along with a pound of D180. Free shipping and tracking says it will be at my door tomorrow.  Not bad.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Stevie on April 24, 2014, 09:34:17 am
Shout out to B3. Ordered the 8 gallon yesterday along with a pound of D180. Free shipping and tracking says it will be at my door tomorrow.  Not bad.

They have really stepped up the saver shipping. In the past it wouldn't ship for a few days.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 24, 2014, 10:59:34 am
Shout out to B3. Ordered the 8 gallon yesterday along with a pound of D180. Free shipping and tracking says it will be at my door tomorrow.  Not bad.

They have really stepped up the saver shipping. In the past it wouldn't ship for a few days.

Agreed. It used to take longer for them to pack it than the shipping.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 25, 2014, 05:28:32 pm
It arrived. Love it. Fits chest freezer with 6" to spare. Ordering a second or third one. Screw buckets and blowoff tubing. This thing rocks. Haven't used it yet of course, but its obvious this is the way to go.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: euge on April 25, 2014, 08:38:54 pm
Could you post pics when the second comes in?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 26, 2014, 08:15:26 am
Sure... are you poking fun at my photo journalism?

Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: euge on April 26, 2014, 10:11:00 am
Sure... are you poking fun at my photo journalism?

I want to see how they fit in your chest freezer!
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 27, 2014, 09:57:59 am
Ok, it will be a while
Title: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on April 27, 2014, 12:23:42 pm
The new plastic Big Mouth Bubbler from Northern Brewer/Midwest looks nice too. Big Mouth has only 6.5 gallon capacity versus 7.9 gallon for Spiedel. But, Big Mouth is transparent which is something I would like from my Spiedel. I love to watch the fermentation channel.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Stevie on April 27, 2014, 12:34:36 pm

The new plastic Big Mouth Bubbler from Northern Brewer/Midwest looks nice too.
No idea those existed. Look pretty nice. Clear like a better bottle without the hassle of a small opening.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 27, 2014, 12:54:28 pm
The handy part of a clear fermenter is seeing the end of the siphon
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: grainman on April 30, 2014, 07:16:48 pm
I have the 30L speidel and absolutely love it. So far I have done 4 beers in it, and the only one that needed a blow off tube was the 10% belgian tripel. Even then I only got a little running down the side. The head space coupled with the huge airlock really makes things easy. I noticed on mine that the spigot pickup is offset from the center of it's mounting cap which means I can rotate it so that it picks up beer from higher up in the fermentor, so that I get clear beer into the keg. I don't have any issues with getting yeast or trub into the keg.  ;)
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on April 30, 2014, 07:33:30 pm
Awesome. I'll just be capping my spigot, I prefer siphon
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on May 14, 2014, 11:35:51 am
2nd 30L just ordered. Woo hoo!
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: ram5ey on May 15, 2014, 06:11:49 am
I've had my 30L for about a ear now. It is by far my favorite fermentor. I've only once experienced the need for a blowoff, but that was no biggie. If you look around you can find where people have modded them for thermowells and using them for push transfers with CO2.  They aren't transparent but are translucent so you can still tell some things about your fermentations. I currently use mine in. 5.0cf chest freezer and it fits fine.

Oh and the white caps that co on your carboy hood?  They work as a perfect cap for the spigot. 

Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on May 15, 2014, 06:54:24 pm
Unbelievable! California's wildfires are delaying the delivery of my fermentor. Talk about not having your priorities straight. Common people, let the FedEx truck through.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: euge on May 15, 2014, 06:59:06 pm
Fires? Already...?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: morticaixavier on May 15, 2014, 08:10:06 pm
Fires? Already...?

it didn't hardly rain here last winter. I know you understand but I'm not sure some folks HERE understand. Hell, even in really dry weather I see people flicking butts out the car window. drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on May 15, 2014, 09:37:35 pm
Fire season in California is now 9-10 months.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: euge on May 16, 2014, 06:19:22 am
It never really stopped did it?

BTW still waiting on the pics Jim... ;D
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on May 16, 2014, 08:32:52 am
Wow, I ordered Wednesday afternoon,  its being delivered today. Not much of a delay I guess.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on June 01, 2014, 07:49:21 pm
It never really stopped did it?

BTW still waiting on the pics Jim... ;D

Just for you
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Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: euge on June 02, 2014, 01:29:15 am
Thanks! Your cavernous chest freezer makes those 30L look small. :D

Measuring mine I am shy 3" to fit two of the 30L in the bottom well because of the compressor, and perhaps 0.5" in height if I were to use a platform to overcome this.

And about 0.5" in width overall for one 60L. I'm striking out on these badass fermenters because of fractions of inches...

Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on June 02, 2014, 07:54:29 am
Im still used to 6 gal buckets, the 30L look huge to me. But your dilemma makes me glad I went big in the chest freezer. Im really digging the extra head space in the 30L, and a double header is a nice full day of brewing with just enough energy left over to clean up. Then a two or three week break to do other things...

Euge, it might be worth trimming an inch off of an airlock to see if that would let you fit them in with a platform. Worst case you'd have to buy a new airlock.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: denny on June 02, 2014, 09:48:13 am
Jim, how big is that freezer?  I'm in the market for one and can't decide on a size.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Pinski on June 02, 2014, 11:05:04 pm
Looks like a 14 cf. I'm really happy with mine. The extra space comes in very handy.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on June 03, 2014, 07:09:45 am
Yup, 14.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Jeff M on June 04, 2014, 05:35:50 am
Looks like a 14 cf. I'm really happy with mine. The extra space comes in very handy.

+1. I love my 14CF.  I can fit 8 kegs and a bunch of commerical beer in there no problem. 
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: S. cerevisiae on June 04, 2014, 12:12:18 pm
Does anyone know the actual internal volume for the Speidel 20L fermentation vessel (FV)?  I have a 30L Speidel, and 30L is very conservative for this FV.   
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: denny on June 04, 2014, 03:15:42 pm
Looks like a 14 cf. I'm really happy with mine. The extra space comes in very handy.

+1. I love my 14CF.  I can fit 8 kegs and a bunch of commerical beer in there no problem.

Thank you all!
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on June 04, 2014, 04:28:23 pm
Does anyone know the actual internal volume for the Speidel 20L fermentation vessel (FV)?  I have a 30L Speidel, and 30L is very conservative for this FV.

Don't know but 5 gallons on my 30L is just slightly over half.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Jeff M on June 04, 2014, 07:59:00 pm
If spiedel treats them like most conical companies treat their products, it may not include the 20% headspace that a batch that size would require, so if a 30L is meant to ferment 30L, then its 36-40L fermenter.

2cents
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tommymorris on September 02, 2014, 09:35:50 am
I have used the spigot on my Spiedel 30L to transfer beer from fermenter to keg several times recently. In a nutshell, the spigot is easy to use with a fast clean transfer.

First, I spray the spigot with starsan. Next, I attach sanitized 1/2" ID vinyl tubing to the spigot and let her rip.

It's so fast I overflowed a keg when I turned my back for 1 minute a few days ago. The wife was not pleased.

The transfer grabs a few bursts of yeast when you first start. If you don't jostle the fermenter while transferring, you get clear beer in the tubing after about 1-2 seconds of yeast. When taking the first draft from a keg I still get clean beer after dumping the first half pint.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: jaftak22 on September 08, 2014, 12:34:25 pm
Hey I have been wanting one of these for a while. Is there somewhere cheaper than more beer?
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: thatgeekguy on September 10, 2014, 12:30:24 pm
Not that I know of.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Stevie on September 10, 2014, 02:59:34 pm

Hey I have been wanting one of these for a while. Is there somewhere cheaper than more beer?

Pretty sure they got an exclusive in the us.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: morticaixavier on September 10, 2014, 04:08:17 pm

Hey I have been wanting one of these for a while. Is there somewhere cheaper than more beer?

Pretty sure they got an exclusive in the us.

I see them at BFD is sac so Morebeer isn't the only game. but I haven't seen cheaper than morebeer. I think they are free shipping items as well.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: klickitat jim on September 10, 2014, 04:21:42 pm
I bought two from more beer, then asked my LHBS and they got me two more at more beer price minus shipping
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: Stevie on September 10, 2014, 05:18:23 pm


Hey I have been wanting one of these for a while. Is there somewhere cheaper than more beer?

Pretty sure they got an exclusive in the us.

I see them at BFD is sac so Morebeer isn't the only game. but I haven't seen cheaper than morebeer. I think they are free shipping items as well.

Hmm... Maybe he uses MoreBeer for his wholesale. I know other shops in the sac area have in the past and much of the hardware sold at my current LHBS is fermentap (morebeer's house brand). I needed a carbon filter one weekend (pre-RO) and ran up to an LHBS that I knew carried them. Packaging was identical down to the fulfillment bar codes that MoreBeer uses. MoreBeer price $8, other place price $20.
Title: Re: Speidel Fermenter
Post by: tookalisten on September 21, 2014, 11:40:00 am
Breaking mine in today - approx 11 gallons of Porter in a 60L. 
I found a stopper with a lower profile and use the standard airlock. 

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