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Title: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 11, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
I have about 7-8 varieties of hops and am looking to do a hop burst Pale Ale today.  The mash is about ready.  When should I throw them in?  1 minute, 5 minutes, flame-out?  What does the forum say about this?  Should I use any bittering hops at all?

Dave
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 11, 2014, 02:37:06 PM
A couple different ideas.

1/  Add them all incrementally from 15 down to FO.

2/ Add them all at FO, then do a hop stand for 30 - 45 minutes before you chill. Of course you could do a hopstand after #1 as well.

I've done all the above, Dave. Personally, I like #1 with a hopstand the best. It'll be good !
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 11, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
BTW, no I don't use a bittering charge when I do these.
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 11, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
A couple different ideas.

1/  Add them all incrementally from 15 down to FO.

2/ Add them all at FO, then do a hop stand for 30 - 45 minutes before you chill. Of course you could do a hopstand after #1 as well.

I've done all the above, Dave. Personally, I like #1 with a hopstand the best. It'll be good !

I knew I could count  on you for this one Jon!   ;)
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 11, 2014, 02:43:59 PM
Go figure  ;)
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: erockrph on May 11, 2014, 03:08:33 PM
Is this an APA or an IPA?

I like doing as much of my flavor and aroma addition as I can at flameout, but for something like an APA where you don't want to overshoot your IBU's you probably want to use additions where you can accurately calculate your IBU's to get your bitterness (FWH and/or additions in the 5-15 minute range). Then you can chill to 180F and add the rest of your hops and do a hop stand for as long as you can stand it.

For an IPA, I just add everything at flameout and don't worry about calculating IBU's.

Make sure you save some hops for dry hops, too!

Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 11, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Yeah, good point. The 15 down to FO with a hopstand works for IPA- ish hopping .  If this is actually an APA, a  little more attention to IBUs is in order. I'd go with the 15 minute approach, using software to get to appropriate APA bittering levels. +1 to leaving room to dry hop, of course.
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 11, 2014, 03:38:44 PM
Is this an APA or an IPA?

I like doing as much of my flavor and aroma addition as I can at flameout, but for something like an APA where you don't want to overshoot your IBU's you probably want to use additions where you can accurately calculate your IBU's to get your bitterness (FWH and/or additions in the 5-15 minute range). Then you can chill to 180F and add the rest of your hops and do a hop stand for as long as you can stand it.

For an IPA, I just add everything at flameout and don't worry about calculating IBU's.

Make sure you save some hops for dry hops, too!

And the other hop head I knew would respond to this.   :)

Thanks Eric, good stuff!  Gravity is going to be about 1.055 so right in the middle. 

It's last year's homegrown which I'm finally using up so it will be a 5 minute addition and 30 minute hop stand.  Looks to be about 12 oz of Cascade 5 oz of Chinook.  We will see how it works out....

Dave
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 11, 2014, 03:39:50 PM
OK, change of plan.  Seems I am going to lunch as soon as the boil is done for Mother's Day.  So it's going to be about a 2 hour hop stand......
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 11, 2014, 03:43:52 PM
You'll have to report back on this one, Dave !  I'm curious to hear your impressions of how it comes out.
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 11, 2014, 04:01:25 PM
You'll have to report back on this one, Dave !  I'm curious to hear your impressions of how it comes out.

Will do!
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 11, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
Well it ended up being a 4 hour hop stand.  The wort was at 142F when I turned on the IC.  Not sure what that will do as isomerization stops below 180F, right?
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: Kinetic on May 11, 2014, 09:32:53 PM
That might be the longest hop stand in the history of hop stands.   
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 11, 2014, 09:41:28 PM
Well it ended up being a 4 hour hop stand.  The wort was at 142F when I turned on the IC.  Not sure what that will do as isomerization stops below 180F, right?

Yeah, you won't extract much bitterness below 180F. From 212F to 180F, you would in that range though. But you will have extracted a sizeable amount of hop flavor and aroma though. Now you really have to post the end results. Gotta know !
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: Kinetic on May 11, 2014, 10:38:37 PM
Did you chill before adding the steeped hops?  Can you post your recipe and process?

Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 12, 2014, 01:38:02 AM
Did you chill before adding the steeped hops?  Can you post your recipe and process?

No, I added all the hops in the last 5 minutes then let it steep covered for 4 hours.  It was at 142F when I got home and chilled it. 

Dave
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: Kinetic on May 12, 2014, 02:13:41 AM
You added 17oz. of C hops @ 5 and let it free cool for 4 hours?  Wow!  I want to know what that tastes like.  You will get bitterness, flavor and aroma even below temperatures where isomerization occurs.  Science hasn't identified what you have done.

Please let us know what happens.

Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: erockrph on May 12, 2014, 03:46:04 AM
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u198/Wicked_Seraph/GoodShowBravoApplause-1.gif)

Good on you, Dave!

How many gallons, by the way?

FWIW, I typically do 90 minute hop stands for my hop juice IPA's. I read something somewhere saying that 80 minutes allegedly gives you the most hop character from a hop stand, so that's where I got that from. I'm not sure how much the hops have left to give up after that, but I doubt it's going to hurt by going longer.
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 12, 2014, 10:48:00 AM
LOL.  10 Gallons.
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 18, 2014, 05:11:42 PM
OK boys, for my next trick I just added the rest of last year's harvest.  3.4 oz of Cascade, 1.6 oz of Chinook and .6 oz of Tetnanger.  The tets smelled amazing I must add.  Put them in 5G so good experiment versus the non-dry hopped 5G.  You guys should seriously consider a trip to Philly to taste this one!   :)

Dave
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: erockrph on May 19, 2014, 03:48:54 AM
OK boys, for my next trick I just added the rest of last year's harvest.  3.4 oz of Cascade, 1.6 oz of Chinook and .6 oz of Tetnanger.  The tets smelled amazing I must add.  Put them in 5G so good experiment versus the non-dry hopped 5G.  You guys should seriously consider a trip to Philly to taste this one!   :)

Dave

Throw in a "Whiz wit" from Pat's and I may be convinced :)
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 19, 2014, 04:40:46 PM
DONE!
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on May 31, 2014, 08:54:40 PM
Well, I decided to put it on green.  15 days in primary and 4 days in the keg.  Two words:

HOLY CRAP!!!!!

Amazing hop flavor, aroma and just enough bitterness to make it work.

Can't wait to do this one again after this year's harvest.

Dave

EDIT: I must add that since they were all homegrown, they taste that much better.  Not sure if it really made a difference, but freezing them right off the dehydrator was a bonus, IMHO.
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 31, 2014, 11:28:48 PM
Well, I decided to put it on green.  15 days in primary and 4 days in the keg.  Two words:

HOLY CRAP!!!!!

Amazing hop flavor, aroma and just enough bitterness to make it work.

Can't wait to do this one again after this year's harvest.

Dave

EDIT: I must add that since they were all homegrown, they taste that much better.  Not sure if it really made a difference, but freezing them right off the dehydrator was a bonus, IMHO.

Well done. Sounds great, Dave !
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: brewsumore on June 01, 2014, 05:42:48 PM
When hop bursting I like the flavor I get when adding hops at FWH, 5, 1 and flameout, followed by a 45-minute hopstand for a 8 - 10% increase in calculated IBUs.  I simply shut off the kettle and stir every 2-3 minutes for the 45 minutes, kettle otherwise with lid on.  I have chilled down to 180F first, but usually keep it simple.
Title: Re: Hop Burst Ideas
Post by: davidgzach on June 02, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
Well, I was not the only one that thought the beer was crazy good.  I brought 2 growlers to my neighborhood pool opening party where we also had a keg of SNPA.  The growlers went in 15 minutes.  My one buddy said, "It's a weird day when I'm filling up my glass with SNPA wishing there was more of your IPA around..... :D