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Title: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: jasongael on June 06, 2014, 04:06:16 PM
Last Sunday I transferred my fermenting beer into a secondary, dry-hopped, capped it off, and put it back in the closet. Then I went out of state for a few days. I came home last night. 6 days in primary carboy, then another 5 days in secondary. This morning, I came downstairs to a strong smell. Seems to be emanating from the closet. Should I be worried?   :-\
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on June 06, 2014, 04:19:31 PM
What do you mean by "capped it off"? If you sealed the secondary without a way for pressure to release (like an airlock) and the beer was still fermenting then you might have blown up your fermentor. You can quickly resolve that issue by looking in the closet.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: jasongael on June 06, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
It was California Ale White Labs WLP001 yeast added at 68-70 F - the primary fermentation went awesome, and the gravity reading I took at secondary transfer was 1.014ish. The color and taste were both excellent, I thought.

Yes, I meant Pressure-release cap.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: morticaixavier on June 06, 2014, 05:02:28 PM
so what did you see when you opened the closet? or is this a Schrodinger's cat thing? Until I open the door the beer is both good and bad.

The transfer to secondary probably slowed your fermentation down as you removed much of the yeast from the beer. It then got going again and fermented some more hence the smell.

Also, I'm still not 100% clear, was the fermenter sealed or was there an airlock?
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2014, 05:03:26 PM
What does the beer look like?  Have you tasted it?
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 06, 2014, 05:09:44 PM
FWIW, when I used to transfer to secondary to dry hop (I dry hop in keg now), I waited a couple weeks until the beer was done fermenting and dropped fairly clear before transferring. I can't see any need to transfer actively fermenting beer, and as mentioned it can actually disrupt your beer from fermenting/attenuating fully.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: jasongael on June 06, 2014, 05:12:01 PM
It was an airlock with some water in it. Sorry, this is my very first ever homebrew. It's an Organic IPA - all grain.

not sure how to upload an image.. but it tasted excellent when I sampled during transfer to secondary.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2014, 05:15:56 PM
I'm going to guess there was additional fermentation in the secondary and/or that the hops knocked some CO2 out of suspension and that's where the yeasty smell came from.

I've had some beers (typically Belgian) that smell strongly of yeast in the fermenter but once they drop clear and are in the glass no worries.

Since it's your first ever, the recommendation to wait and be patient before dry hopping and/or transferring is one of the very best you will ever get.  Patience is important, don't rush the beer.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 06, 2014, 05:21:16 PM
It was an airlock with some water in it. Sorry, this is my very first ever homebrew. It's an Organic IPA - all grain.

not sure how to upload an image.. but it tasted excellent when I sampled during transfer to secondary.

No worries, Jason. We all started somewhere. I wish this forum had been around when I started - there's always somebody here to help. Here's a link on posting pics here :

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=20.0
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: jasongael on June 06, 2014, 05:33:06 PM
Awesome! Thanks guys! I will create a folder online to host my beer related pics.

Cheers!

 :D
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2014, 05:39:15 PM
I wish this forum had been around when I started - there's always somebody here to help.

I know there were Bulletin Boards (BBS for us old people) but I don't recall even using e-mail back then.

Maybe on America On-line.  But I don't remember too much about that service.  Dial-up, baby.  You were hot if you had a 1200 baud modem.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 06, 2014, 05:47:39 PM
I wish this forum had been around when I started - there's always somebody here to help.

I know there were Bulletin Boards (BBS for us old people) but I don't recall even using e-mail back then.

Maybe on America On-line.  But I don't remember too much about that service.  Dial-up, baby.  You were hot if you had a 1200 baud modem.

Oh yeah, 1200 was cooking !  But the info (and variety of ingredients)has gotten so much better. Different ballgame.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: denny on June 06, 2014, 05:48:56 PM
I wish this forum had been around when I started - there's always somebody here to help.

I know there were Bulletin Boards (BBS for us old people) but I don't recall even using e-mail back then.

Maybe on America On-line.  But I don't remember too much about that service.  Dial-up, baby.  You were hot if you had a 1200 baud modem.

I used the rec.crafts.brewing Usenet group when I started brewing in 98.  "Met" Mike Dixon there.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 06, 2014, 05:54:02 PM
I remember using the old Cat's Meow database, RealBeer page among others, scouring for recipes and ideas. Pretty hit and miss, to say the least !
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: jasongael on June 06, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
You guys are cracking me up! I've been working in tech/software/internet for 22+ years. I remember the speeds... crazy!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasongael/14359694364/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasongael/14360571275/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasongael/14380758193/

these were from the transfer day.. I will try to get a decent pic of the beer now.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: morticaixavier on June 06, 2014, 06:18:38 PM
You guys are cracking me up! I've been working in tech/software/internet for 22+ years. I remember the speeds... crazy!

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasongael/14359694364" title="Untitled by jasongael, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3856/14359694364_8712aa2121_s.jpg" width="75" height="75" alt="Untitled"></a>

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasongael/14360571275" title="Untitled by jasongael, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/14360571275_47806fe739_s.jpg" width="75" height="75" alt="Untitled"></a>

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasongael/14380758193" title="Untitled by jasongael, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2902/14380758193_a92d6118c3_s.jpg" width="75" height="75" alt="Untitled"></a>

these were from the transfer day.. I will try to get a decent pic of the beer now.

let's try this

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(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2902/14380758193_a92d6118c3_s.jpg)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2902/14380758193_a92d6118c3_s.jpg)

looking at the pics I would say it was not done fermenting so the smell is just continued fermentation.

I am really quite impatient so I wait ~ 1 week and take a gravity reading. This is almost always too soon but I do it anyway. Then I wait ~ 1 more week and take another one. As I said, that first one was almost always too soon and I will see a drop in gravity between the two. So I wait another week and take another sample. it's usually the same as the second sample. Now it's time to do whatever you're going to do next. I usually cold crash and keg the beer at this point but you could transfer to secondary and add dry hops, oak chips, fruit, a whole dead chicken, whatever.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: denny on June 06, 2014, 06:23:05 PM
I remember using the old Cat's Meow database, RealBeer page among others, scouring for recipes and ideas. Pretty hit and miss, to say the least !

Cat's Meow had some of the worst recipes ever conceived.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: morticaixavier on June 06, 2014, 06:24:27 PM
I remember using the old Cat's Meow database, RealBeer page among others, scouring for recipes and ideas. Pretty hit and miss, to say the least !

Cat's Meow had some of the worst recipes ever conceived.

I had that printed out at one point when I was trying to make mead and my internet access was not at home.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 06, 2014, 06:35:01 PM


Cat's Meow had some of the worst recipes ever conceived.

No joke !  I'm hard pressed to think of one recipe that was better than decent. 'Ale Yeast' , Cascade, and crystal/caramel in about every beer recipe there for a while.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2014, 07:06:42 PM
I wish this forum had been around when I started - there's always somebody here to help.

I know there were Bulletin Boards (BBS for us old people) but I don't recall even using e-mail back then.

Maybe on America On-line.  But I don't remember too much about that service.  Dial-up, baby.  You were hot if you had a 1200 baud modem.

I used the rec.crafts.brewing Usenet group when I started brewing in 98.  "Met" Mike Dixon there.

Good Gawd, Denny.  I've been brewing for longer than you.  Now I feel... about as old as I already felt.

However, the first on-line recipe source I ever used was Skotrats.  The Rat Cellar or something like that.

Prior to that it was all Papazian's books and BYO.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 06, 2014, 07:08:43 PM
Yeah, yeah - that was the one I couldn't put my finger on !  Rat Cellar (or Rat's whatever). Damn I'm getting old. 
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: 69franx on June 06, 2014, 07:15:28 PM
Was anyone else terrified of the brew day pic: boil kettle on jet burner, jet burner set on top of an inverted boil kettle? Made me shudder!
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2014, 07:19:07 PM
looking at the pics I would say it was not done fermenting so the smell is just continued fermentation.

I concur with your diagnosis, doctor.

And, yeah, I wouldn't recommend stacking the burner and kettle like that.  Worked once.  But all you need is for it to fail once.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: denny on June 06, 2014, 07:55:59 PM
Good Gawd, Denny.  I've been brewing for longer than you.  Now I feel... about as old as I already felt.

However, the first on-line recipe source I ever used was Skotrats.  The Rat Cellar or something like that.

Prior to that it was all Papazian's books and BYO.

RatChat....first beer discussion forum that I can recall.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
I was strangely impressed to see Skotrat post here every now and then.  I was like "that's the dude with the recipes!"

I'm chalking it up to nostalgia and telling myself I'm not creepy.
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: denny on June 06, 2014, 08:18:05 PM
I was strangely impressed to see Skotrat post here every now and then.  I was like "that's the dude with the recipes!"

I'm chalking it up to nostalgia and telling myself I'm not creepy.

I think Scott would understand....
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: jasongael on June 06, 2014, 09:12:02 PM
The pot the burner was on was not a brew pot. It is a solid stainless steel, very heavy, very expensive, pot that we cook large amounts of soup or lamb-curry in. It was far better and much more stable than the Outdoor aluminum BBQ table I have. It is also very impervious to heat. It's not ideal, but it worked perfectly. I also had a full-size fire extinguisher at hand ready if need be.. just in case.

I wish I had a bigger house with a backyard and an off-house man cave with a workshop. THen I could do it right. ... one day.   :P
Title: Re: Yeasty Smell?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2014, 09:16:37 PM
I wish I had a bigger house with a backyard and an off-house man cave with a workshop. THen I could do it right. ... one day.   :P

Then you'd need a fully automated brew sculpture and a conical with a glycol jacket.  Brewing equipment is like Great Stuff.  It expands to fill the available space.