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Title: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on April 20, 2010, 02:58:47 PM
This topic is for you to ask for what you would like us, your Governing Committee, to discuss and help you with.  How can we make the AHA better.  Put it down here.

Thanks Fred
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dbeechum on April 21, 2010, 08:09:22 AM
I want off campus lunches for seniors and new soda machines in the quad.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on April 21, 2010, 12:08:50 PM
I was actually thinking of the old-school soda machines, the ones with the bottles, but re-purposed like a true homebrewer would ;)

Seriously, What would make it easier for you to stay in touch with what's happening, your brewing, your club, etc. 
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: beerocd on April 21, 2010, 12:18:54 PM
Seriously, What would make it easier for you to stay in touch with what's happening, your brewing, your club, etc. 


NRA style bulletins. You get the latest news, links to the full stories, and then they pimp their products at the bottom. :)
If it was no more than one a week, it would be a good feature to add. Also good to force more traffic to the website.

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Hokerer on April 21, 2010, 01:35:03 PM
Polo Shirts  :)

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=774.msg8816#msg8816 (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=774.msg8816#msg8816)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: babalu87 on April 21, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
Micro brewery Co-Ops

IE
Russian River beers etc on the East Coast
Whatever you West Coast guys want from us over there

The Microbreweries could work together on this.
Truck heads West with beer on it
Truck heads East with beer on it
Etc, etc, etc
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on April 21, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
Polo Shirts  :)

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=774.msg8816#msg8816 (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=774.msg8816#msg8816)
I do admit, I like the Polo shirt idea
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on April 21, 2010, 03:23:41 PM
Micro brewery Co-Ops

IE
Russian River beers etc on the East Coast
Whatever you West Coast guys want from us over there

The Microbreweries could work together on this.
Truck heads West with beer on it
Truck heads East with beer on it
Etc, etc, etc

This would be great, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the AHA.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: babalu87 on April 21, 2010, 03:33:41 PM
Micro brewery Co-Ops

IE
Russian River beers etc on the East Coast
Whatever you West Coast guys want from us over there

The Microbreweries could work together on this.
Truck heads West with beer on it
Truck heads East with beer on it
Etc, etc, etc

This would be great, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the AHA.

You dont?

We're all under the same blanket arent we?

http://www.beertown.org/
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on April 21, 2010, 03:38:18 PM
Where the AHA / BA gets involved with that is in campaigns such as raising the limits.  The breweries that can distribute can do so wherever they choose.  Legal restrictions, point them out, spearhead a campaign, and the BA/AHA will help.

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bluesman on April 21, 2010, 05:10:56 PM
How about the concept of "ranking homebrewers".

Sort of on the order of beer judges but different in the sense that the homebrewer is the creator.

Food for thought.

correction...Beer for thought.  ;)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: 1vertical on April 21, 2010, 06:12:18 PM
User friendly stuff....on the bb

Like one click to show all of my posts.

Like  in the for sale and wanted zones, I have difficulty erasing my posts...
so I have been changing the heading to read...disregard or void or such when the
post really needs to be deleted.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: babalu87 on April 21, 2010, 06:22:07 PM
Where the AHA / BA gets involved with that is in campaigns such as raising the limits.  The breweries that can distribute can do so wherever they choose.  Legal restrictions, point them out, spearhead a campaign, and the BA/AHA will help.



Its the middle man that makes it too expensive
With a Co-op they can all share expenses
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: hamiltont on April 21, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
This topic is for you to ask for what you would like us, your Governing Committee, to discuss and help you with.  How can we make the AHA better.  Put it down here.

Thanks Fred

I guess the first thing on the agenda is planning for the 2011 NHC.  With 2 regions maxing out this year some changes are in order.  I'm sure the topic is already being discussed and I'm confident the Governing Committee will address it appropriately.  Another topic already on the table is shipping competition entries. Your efforts on this front are greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on April 21, 2010, 07:53:04 PM
I guess the first thing on the agenda is planning for the 2011 NHC.  With 2 regions maxing out this year some changes are in order.  I'm sure the topic is already being discussed and I'm confident the Governing Committee will address it appropriately.  Another topic already on the table is shipping competition entries. Your efforts on this front are greatly appreciated!

Man, you're easy to please!  Both of those topics are high on our list.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: hamiltont on April 21, 2010, 09:07:59 PM
I guess the first thing on the agenda is planning for the 2011 NHC.  With 2 regions maxing out this year some changes are in order.  I'm sure the topic is already being discussed and I'm confident the Governing Committee will address it appropriately.  Another topic already on the table is shipping competition entries. Your efforts on this front are greatly appreciated!

Man, you're easy to please!  Both of those topics are high on our list.

I knew they were Denny but they're pretty big issues IMO.  Once they're checked off we can get down to other business. My 2 cents anyway...  Regardless the AHA is headed in the right direction & the support is growing.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on April 21, 2010, 09:38:08 PM
I totally agree that they're big issues and I'm glad to know we're working on things that are important to homebrewers.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: chumley on April 21, 2010, 10:14:36 PM
How about sending us free malt?
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Crispy275 on April 22, 2010, 12:25:15 PM
I really appreciate Fred posting this question. Having been on the AHA GC for several years, I have watched (and participated) as it moved from dithering over the By Laws and conventions to actively providing consultation, feedback and input to the AHA staff. It was a wake up call for me when I realized that the AHA was essentially 3.5 dedicated heads - Gary Glass, Janis Gross, Kate Porter and half of Jill Redding (she also publishes the BA's magazine - The New Brewer). BTW, the By Laws are actually a valuable touchstone for me, so the effort was not wasted, just not the most efficient use of our time.

When I realized this, it became clear that the input the GC brought to the AHA, along with the avenue members can take by speaking with their AHA GC, provides value and a reality check to the organization.

As a former economist, the world is all about the decisions we make with limited resources to accomplish our goals, whatever those may be. To work toward legalizing all 50 states, making it easier/legal to ship homebrew, or build a better website are just three examples of major initiatives that the AHA GC continues to bang the drum for. The Website is in a much better place, but how to get shipping homebrew recognized as a legal endeavor has been an on-going challenge.

Should the AHA spend its members scarce resources on a legal team that can possibly move this forward faster? Or should it facilitate a more grass roots effort? Or something in between? It is in these sort of discussions that I feel we add the most value. One members #1 priority may not be on another members radar. Anyway, I am rambling. As Fred has asked - what can we do for you now?
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: kgs on April 24, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Working toward legalization in all 50 states, working to include the Territories in brewing competitions, and reviewing/adjusting the NHC guidelines would be three good areas to work in.  I have no interest in competing, but from reading the Forum it appears that the competition is having some inevitable growing pains--the byproduct of laudable success.

In terms of what the AHA itself has been doing, I appreciate the improvements to the website and the more visible advocacy for homebrewing legalization. For a very small national association, it does a remarkable job. I manage an organization run by 4 people so I appreciate how much bang for the buck the AHA staff are delivering.

I winced a little at the word "dithering" because yesterday morning I got up at 5 and read the BA bylaws very carefully in an effort to understand the relationship of AHA to the BA. Bylaws do matter in the NPO world--I'm on a bylaws committee right now for another organization, and the committee was formed because the bylaws were standing in the way of that organization's growth. But I agree bylaws can't be the be-all end-all. I once made a similar decision on another committee--forget updating the manual, let's do some direct action--and it was the right call.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: theDarkSide on April 26, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
I would like to see some agreement with the shipping companies ( Fedex, UPS ) the relax the restrictions on shipping beer for competitions.  Also, maybe a deal could be struck with them for contracted shipping rates at a discount. 

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on April 26, 2010, 03:51:29 PM
I would like to see some agreement with the shipping companies ( Fedex, UPS ) the relax the restrictions on shipping beer for competitions.  Also, maybe a deal could be struck with them for contracted shipping rates at a discount. 



AFAIK, we have talked to private shippers and they didn't show much interest becasue the volume was so small they wouldn't make much money on it.  While I don't think that avenue has been ruled out, I believe that at this point the focus is on legislative changes.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Crispy275 on April 26, 2010, 04:04:31 PM
I winced a little at the word "dithering" because yesterday morning I got up at 5 and read the BA bylaws very carefully in an effort to understand the relationship of AHA to the BA. Bylaws do matter in the NPO world--I'm on a bylaws committee right now for another organization, and the committee was formed because the bylaws were standing in the way of that organization's growth. But I agree bylaws can't be the be-all end-all. I once made a similar decision on another committee--forget updating the manual, let's do some direct action--and it was the right call.

I agree - my use of the word "dithering" was one better suited for conversation and not the written word. It has a derogatory inference, and I did not mean to imply the By Laws were unimportant. I did qualify that it was valuable work, but in my opinion (and I am not speaking for the AHA GC, just myself), other issues at the time required greater attention. The old BOA was combining and becoming the BA, and the focus was appropriatly shifted to actions that assisted in making the AHA a healthier organization.

My apologies for my choice of words. But I also stand by my contention that the priorities we shifted to were more important. I have read and re-read the AHA GC By-Laws probably more times than most, as it provides me with direction, and serves as a reminder to what is expected from those of us who serve on the GC. 

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on April 26, 2010, 04:43:18 PM
and serves as a reminder to what is expected from those of us who serve on the GC. 



Uh oh!  ;)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: hamiltont on April 26, 2010, 09:29:30 PM
Posted on FACEBOOK "The Old West regional database has been processed; four regions remain in the processing queue (South, Great Lakes, Northeast, and Canada). It takes 3 to 4 hours to process each database for the winners list. Good luck!"  I think you need to approve a faster computer for Janis...  ;D
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dbeechum on April 26, 2010, 09:30:29 PM
Actually, I think Janis needs another Janis!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on April 27, 2010, 08:46:53 PM
How about getting it legalized to transport wort that has had yeast pitched to it, having no or little krauzen, with a measurable specific gravity of at least 1.040.  As I understand it once any yeast is pitched its illegal to transport in any state.  It might make things nice for some people that like to brew together and split batches or teach people etc.

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 04, 2010, 09:27:37 PM
No reply on that eh?  Why is there a law regarding wort thats had yeast pitched to it in the first place... it can't be any worse than transporting alcohol and we do that everytime we make a beer run.   :D
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 04, 2010, 09:56:50 PM
No reply on that eh?  Why is there a law regarding wort thats had yeast pitched to it in the first place... it can't be any worse than transporting alcohol and we do that everytime we make a beer run.   :D

Is there a law?  I've heard anecdotal evidence, but never seen an actual law quoted.  It seems a bit hard to believe, since right after pitching yeast there isn't any alcohol.  And if there is a law, why not just wait til you get home to pitch?
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on May 05, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
I don't believe it's an issue in transporting, and I haven't see the law.
but I do think it is related to licensed establishments "giving" away non-taxed beer.  Wort is no problem.
In Michigan I have been told that it is legally beer once the yeast is pitched.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 05, 2010, 02:14:01 PM

In Michigan I have been told that it is legally beer once the yeast is pitched.

+1, I've heard or read it, not only Michigan but all states.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Hokerer on May 05, 2010, 03:26:19 PM

In Michigan I have been told that it is legally beer once the yeast is pitched.

+1, I've heard or read it, not only Michigan but all states.

Not the case in Virginia.  The exact definitions are...

"Alcoholic beverages" includes alcohol, spirits, wine, and beer, and any one or more of such varieties containing one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume, including mixed alcoholic beverages, and every liquid or solid, patented or not, containing alcohol, spirits, wine, or beer and capable of being consumed by a human being.

"Beer" means any alcoholic beverage obtained by the fermentation of an infusion or decoction of barley, malt, and hops or of any similar products in drinkable water and containing one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume.

...so you'd have to wait a while after yeast pitching before it could be defined as "beer".

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 05, 2010, 03:30:45 PM
In Michigan I have been told that it is legally beer once the yeast is pitched.

That's what I've heard, too, and what Dean is referring to.  But I've never actually seen the law to read it for myself.  In addition, as I mentioned, there isn't any alcohol at that point.  It's certainly possible that it is a law, but it's also kinda shaping up to be an urban legend.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bluesman on May 05, 2010, 06:59:52 PM
In Michigan I have been told that it is legally beer once the yeast is pitched.

That's what I've heard, too, and what Dean is referring to.  But I've never actually seen the law to read it for myself.  In addition, as I mentioned, there isn't any alcohol at that point.  It's certainly possible that it is a law, but it's also kinda shaping up to be an urban legend.

The definitions are probably different from state to state and county to county. Perhaps the local governing website will shed some light on this issue.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 13, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
In Michigan I have been told that it is legally beer once the yeast is pitched.

That's what I've heard, too, and what Dean is referring to.  But I've never actually seen the law to read it for myself.  In addition, as I mentioned, there isn't any alcohol at that point.  It's certainly possible that it is a law, but it's also kinda shaping up to be an urban legend.

You may be right about that Denny.  But, using the definitions that Hokerer found, how would a person prove the alcohol level is less than the specified amount to be considered an alcoholic beverage if you were pulled over and questioned?  The only way I could think of and was why I posted a minimum specific gravity (pick a number 1.0XX).  Yeh, it too could still have alcohol content but most finished beers are below 1.036 even if you include the really big boys.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 14, 2010, 03:39:53 PM
You may be right about that Denny.  But, using the definitions that Hokerer found, how would a person prove the alcohol level is less than the specified amount to be considered an alcoholic beverage if you were pulled over and questioned?  The only way I could think of and was why I posted a minimum specific gravity (pick a number 1.0XX).  Yeh, it too could still have alcohol content but most finished beers are below 1.036 even if you include the really big boys.

Dean, I'd think the burden of proof would be on the one prosecuting, not the defendant.  In other words, they'd have to prove there _was_ alcohol, not that you'd have to prove there wasn't.  But IANAL.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Hokerer on May 14, 2010, 04:17:11 PM
The only way I could think of and was why I posted a minimum specific gravity (pick a number 1.0XX).  Yeh, it too could still have alcohol content but most finished beers are below 1.036 even if you include the really big boys.

A single specific gravity will never conclusively tell you anything.  Without a before and an after, there's no way to know.  If you're saying if it measures less than 1.036, it's got alcohol, what about unpitched worts for a Mild or a 60/- or a whatever.  Plenty of styles below that number.  If you then try and lower that number to account for those, then the "really big boys" suddenly don't have alcohol (by the FG test) even though they actually have the most alcohol.  A single gravity number as a criteria just doesn't work.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: andyi on May 19, 2010, 10:14:08 PM

I would like the AHA to provide guidance for sponsoring charity events that provide homebrew.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: zorch on May 19, 2010, 10:58:10 PM
I'd like to be able to ship bottles to the NHC (or any competition for that matter) without having to lie about the contents, or feel like I'm doing something illegal.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 19, 2010, 11:42:12 PM

I would like the AHA to provide guidance for sponsoring charity events that provide homebrew.

I agree, that would be great.  I don't know how realistic it is to expect the AHA to be aware of every local regulation, but if it could be done, it would sure be a help.

I'd like to be able to ship bottles to the NHC (or any competition for that matter) without having to lie about the contents, or feel like I'm doing something illegal.


The AHA is hard at work on that and it keeps getting closer.  I hope we'll have good news before long.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 21, 2010, 11:27:26 AM
I want you all to relax this week and have a cold one or three.   ;D
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 21, 2010, 03:39:56 PM
I want you all to relax this week and have a cold one or three.   ;D

Just for you, buddy, I'll do it!  ;)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bluesman on May 21, 2010, 04:45:41 PM
I want you all to relax this week and have a cold one or three.   ;D

...but you know there's no rest for the weary.  8)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: wingnut on May 24, 2010, 04:16:20 PM
One of the things I would love to see, is Audio of the presentations at NHC be provided as well as the powerpoints.

So much information is given in these presentations that are not on the slides, or are presented in a format that "clicks" better than reading a slide, that I think it would be a significant addition.

Presently, there are a number of Podcast groups that attend NHC, I would think that a collaborative arrangement could be made. 

The audio component need not even be hosted on the AHA website.  Instead, the audio could be hosted by the Podcast group that generates the audio, and the AHA could simply provide a link to the Podcast group.  This would generate traffic to Podcast websites, and possibly point AHA members to informational opportunities they were not aware of.  I think it could be a huge "win/win" situation, but it would take some organizing.



Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: richardt on May 24, 2010, 04:48:50 PM
I like that idea--I'm more attuned to visual rather than aural input.  I'm not one who listens to pod-casts. 
But I'd love to be able to access powerpoint presentations (w/ or w/o audio) and text of all presentations. 
The visual component is important (especially with respect to diagrams or designs or techniques).
It'd be a shame not to share the wealth of knowledge with those who cannot attend.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 24, 2010, 05:33:29 PM
Both audio and video captures of presentations are ideas that have been discussed and I'm willing to bet will be implemented at some point.  Powerpoints are available going back a few years.  Text might be difficult.  I know I don't have prepared text for my presentations and I don't think many of the presenters do.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 24, 2010, 11:56:15 PM
What is the possibility of the AHA trying to gain more public awareness or recognition?  Where I live, a person may as well be speaking a foreign language when they ask if they've heard of the AHA.  When legislation is passed, by and large, it goes un-noticed by the public... as well as the AHA.  Jmo... I think the AHA should put the association a little more forward, especially when they have helped accomplish something for homebrewers.

Its good to know someone has my back.... do they?  I'm sure many wonder "what if".  Is it asking too much?  I think it would help the AHA grow.  Jmo...
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dirk_mclargehuge on May 25, 2010, 12:23:33 AM
Both audio and video captures of presentations are ideas that have been discussed and I'm willing to bet will be implemented at some point.  Powerpoints are available going back a few years.  Text might be difficult.  I know I don't have prepared text for my presentations and I don't think many of the presenters do.
How can you have text for your presentations, Denny?  When I was in Cincinnati, you spent a large part of the time answering questions.

Having said that, a youTube Channel might be a good idea.  The problem, of course, is the expense of recording and editing the sessions.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 25, 2010, 02:21:57 AM
Both audio and video captures of presentations are ideas that have been discussed and I'm willing to bet will be implemented at some point.  Powerpoints are available going back a few years.  Text might be difficult.  I know I don't have prepared text for my presentations and I don't think many of the presenters do.
How can you have text for your presentations, Denny?  When I was in Cincinnati, you spent a large part of the time answering questions.

Having said that, a youTube Channel might be a good idea.  The problem, of course, is the expense of recording and editing the sessions.

Yeah, just what I was getting at.  And besides the questions, I was just making most of it up as I went!  ;)  After having spent the last 30 years in the production biz, I have a real feeling for the technical difficulties involved.  I think that's what's holding up the whole thing now.  But we've discussed ways to get around that, and I hope those discussions continue in the future.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 25, 2010, 02:23:22 AM
What is the possibility of the AHA trying to gain more public awareness or recognition?  Where I live, a person may as well be speaking a foreign language when they ask if they've heard of the AHA.  When legislation is passed, by and large, it goes un-noticed by the public... as well as the AHA.  Jmo... I think the AHA should put the association a little more forward, especially when they have helped accomplish something for homebrewers.

Its good to know someone has my back.... do they?  I'm sure many wonder "what if".  Is it asking too much?  I think it would help the AHA grow.  Jmo...

Dean, that's a good thought, but how would the AHA do that?  Do you have any ideas of what you;'d like to see?
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 25, 2010, 08:23:25 PM
Yes, Denny.  The AHA could solicite the major broadcast news channels local to those areas when and where legislation in favor of homebrewing or brewing period is passed with the AHA mentioned as a supporting party in the decision.  Awareness is or should be a key item for the AHA.  Even if legislation is defeated, the Issue as well as the AHA should receive some recognition of awareness so people understand any given battle lost does not mean the loss was permanent. 
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 26, 2010, 03:33:48 PM
Yes, Denny.  The AHA could solicite the major broadcast news channels local to those areas when and where legislation in favor of homebrewing or brewing period is passed with the AHA mentioned as a supporting party in the decision.  Awareness is or should be a key item for the AHA.  Even if legislation is defeated, the Issue as well as the AHA should receive some recognition of awareness so people understand any given battle lost does not mean the loss was permanent. 

Dean, that's a great idea, but you need to understand that the AHA's role in those situations is to support the local groups working on getting laws changed.  The AHA itself doesn't instigate anything.  So, those local groups need to get publicity and get the AHA name out there.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 26, 2010, 10:32:48 PM
I've been thinking about what you said all day and I still can't understand why the AHA wouldn't want to seek some sort of exposure if they had been institutional in some way for any legislation that has passed regarding homebrewers.  Honestly... now it has me wondering what the AHA did?  Yeh, I've read about bills being passed but thats it?  Just trying to understand the reasoning for staying under the radar when its obviously something any AHA member would be proud to say they helped with.

I'm not saying the AHA should instigate anything... its not about that, its about legalities etc... otherwise it might as well be just another watering hole.   ???  I just don't get it now.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 26, 2010, 10:35:41 PM
Well, I could be totally wrong.  I'll see if I can get Gary to weigh in on this.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 26, 2010, 10:52:05 PM
 :D :D  Sorry if I put you on the spot Denny,  I'm just curious what they actually do and why I never hear anything in the news ect.  And believe me the news channels will cover just about anything these days.   :D
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 26, 2010, 11:01:52 PM
:D :D  Sorry if I put you on the spot Denny,  I'm just curious what they actually do and why I never hear anything in the news ect.  And believe me the news channels will cover just about anything these days.   :D

Not a problem, Dean.  I just don't know how to explain it any better, so I called in the big guns.  In a nutshell, though, what I'm getting at is that the AHA provides the support for the people who do the things you're talking about.  And since the AHA is an organization for homebrewers, I don't know that the public at large would really care about it.  But I also think maybe you're underestimating how many people know about the AHA.  For example, I know of at least 2 other brewers from this forum besides myself who have been interviewed by Forbes magazine recently about homebrewing.  That's because Forbes contacted the AHA, and I'm willing to bet that the AHA will figure in to the final article.  To me, that's pretty good coverage.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: kgs on May 27, 2010, 03:49:11 AM
:D :D  Sorry if I put you on the spot Denny,  I'm just curious what they actually do ...

I've been active in my professional association for over 20 years (and it's a second career). My take, based on my experience there (and in several other organizations), is that the AHA is a member organization, and "they" is "we." The small staff at the AHA HQ can facilitate, but they can't do it all.

IMHO, for the staff they have, the AHA does a heck of a lot, and in the last couple of years I've seen a lot more. They orchestrate national events and conferences, promote homebrewing, maintain and build a strong digital presence, produce an excellent industry magazine, and so on.

But ultimately, *we* are the AHA. If, for example, we want homebrewing legal in every state (including the Territories), it's up to us to make it happen. They can help, if we ask them... but they can only do so much on their own. My 2 cents, anyway.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 27, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
Maybe I'm just looking too hard at the legal side of it.  I guess I'm wondering how the AHA fits into helping with legalizing homebrewing in states or territories then.  Maybe someone from one of the more recent states to have laws passed favoring homebrewing that knows what and how will chime in?  I'd like to understand what they did or do in that scenario.

Yeh, I know the AHA is "us", and I definitely wouldn't want to see the committee members working it like a job... its a hobby which means its for fun... at least to me anyway.  I thought maybe the AHA kept some reserve monies available for homebrewers that might be brought up on charges etc?  Not that I think many of us really worry about it, but hey, there have been plenty of videos on youtube etc showing just how far the law can run with it.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dbeechum on May 27, 2010, 05:11:47 PM
I'm not on one of the crews that got laws changed recently, but I have been watching pretty closely. The support the AHA provides is multi-part: helping direct groups to appropriate contacts (say the Small Brewers Guild for that state, others who are running similar groups, etc.), helping advise on what sort of pitfalls are out there (aka try and get the distributors on your side early or they'll torpedo the bill out of concerns of it mucking with their status) and probably the biggest one is Gary's direct involvement in testifying before various state legislatures and being an all around homebrewing spokesman to various media outlets when they pick up the story about the legislative effort.

As for a homebrewer's defense fund, I don't know if it's ever even come up. I think in most places where homebrewing is illegal, it ends up being a ticket-able misdemeanor. The last time I even heard of a homebrewer getting in trouble was Scott Oberman in Alabama when he received a visit from the state ABC after appearing in an LA Times article all about the legalization effort and showed off all of his gear, etc. Apparently, out of concern for his job-related security clearance he stopped brewing at home for at least a while, but nothing legally happened except a stern talking to.

And its really important when thinking about what the AHA does and doesn't do. There are 3 full time staffers for the AHA (Gary, Kate and Janis), a handful of people shared in part with the BA, 15 of us on the Governing Committee and approximately 20,000 of "you's"  out there. I've always run on a platform of this organization needs to be run as a member's driven group. I think just by looking at response levels to this year's GC election and the demographics survery the effects of more open communication are showing results. The reality remains that the AHA needs all of us to get things done and that's only going to be even more important as we find ways to increase member involvement. The 20k of us I fear could quickly swamp our intrepid trio!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dean on May 27, 2010, 10:05:17 PM
I'm not on one of the crews that got laws changed recently, but I have been watching pretty closely. The support the AHA provides is multi-part: helping direct groups to appropriate contacts (say the Small Brewers Guild for that state, others who are running similar groups, etc.), helping advise on what sort of pitfalls are out there (aka try and get the distributors on your side early or they'll torpedo the bill out of concerns of it mucking with their status) and probably the biggest one is Gary's direct involvement in testifying before various state legislatures and being an all around homebrewing spokesman to various media outlets when they pick up the story about the legislative effort.

As for a homebrewer's defense fund, I don't know if it's ever even come up. I think in most places where homebrewing is illegal, it ends up being a ticket-able misdemeanor. The last time I even heard of a homebrewer getting in trouble was Scott Oberman in Alabama when he received a visit from the state ABC after appearing in an LA Times article all about the legalization effort and showed off all of his gear, etc. Apparently, out of concern for his job-related security clearance he stopped brewing at home for at least a while, but nothing legally happened except a stern talking to.

And its really important when thinking about what the AHA does and doesn't do. There are 3 full time staffers for the AHA (Gary, Kate and Janis), a handful of people shared in part with the BA, 15 of us on the Governing Committee and approximately 20,000 of "you's"  out there. I've always run on a platform of this organization needs to be run as a member's driven group. I think just by looking at response levels to this year's GC election and the demographics survery the effects of more open communication are showing results. The reality remains that the AHA needs all of us to get things done and that's only going to be even more important as we find ways to increase member involvement. The 20k of us I fear could quickly swamp our intrepid trio!

Bingo!  Thats what I wanted to see, buddy, for a new commitee person you got some cahones.  It isn't that hard to say, I also pm'd Fred and he basically told me  the same thing.  I don't know why it was so hard to get somebody to say that .. easy peasy.  Bet more people join now that they know a little more about the AHA.  I'll re-up, but you know I'm gonna twist on them for a better price.   ;D  Thats what I do, can't help it, thats who I am.

Good On You, Drew.  ;)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 28, 2010, 03:42:40 PM
Sorry I couldn't give you that clear an answer, Dean.  I guess I just didn't understand what you were getting at as well as Drew did.  He's pretty bright for a kid!  ;)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Gary Glass on May 28, 2010, 04:09:23 PM
A lot of what we do is spelled out on the AHA website in the Government Affairs section: http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/government-affairs/statutes.

In terms of homebrew legalization, the process works like this:
We are contacted by local homebrewers who are interested in changing the laws in their state. 
We can provide history of past attempts to legalize homebrewing based on whatever records we have on file.
We can help line-up allies within the brewing community.
We also advise homebrewers through the legislative process, provide samples of statute language from other states, who to involve in the process, how to avoid creating enemies that can sink the process, etc.
When needed, we rally the troops to contact politicians to garner support for bills, including all AHA members within the state, Brewers Association brewery members, and Support Your Local Brewery Members as well as posts to the AHA Forum and TechTalk.  We include other influential people within the brewing community, such as The Brewing Network, Basic Brewing Radio, and Beer Advocate in our Action Alerts.  We also use social media, including twitter (@AHADirector) and the AHA Facebook page to spread the word. 

For both Oklahoma and Utah, we sent press releases when the legalization bills were signed into law, though our media database is primarily beer and food writers. 

Gary Glass
AHA Director
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: jkeeler on May 28, 2010, 06:50:19 PM
As an incoming member of the board, I'm happy to see a dialogue occurring between members and the board.  This forum is a great tool for such discourse, and I'm happy that it is being utilized.

I've read everything posted here so far, and thought I'd just put my two-cents in.  With this being said, I would welcome requests and discussions on what members would like to see, and find out how my ideas intersect with my fellow AHA members.  The following is a short list of what I'd like to accomplish:

1. Make efforts to increase dialogue between the AHA and it's members (like this thread!)
2. Explore more grass roots efforts (like AHA wort rallies) in raising the awareness and engagement within the hobby of homebrewing.
3. Develop approaches though new media. (shameless plug, but it's applicable - www.brewingtv.com)
4. Work to get homebrewing into a main-stream discourse vs. niche hobby.  This is essentially the balance to point #2 in a coordinated effort to move homebrewing into main stream culture.
5. Develop stronger relationships with partners and entities in the homebrewing industry, as they have historically done some heavy lifting for homebrewing culture, and will be crucial in it's future.

These of course are bullet points.  And much like a typical politician they are easy come, easy go from the mouth.  I do have specific road-maps and plans on how to attain them though.  My goal is to lay these ideas out as I work with other board members and develop my role in assisting the AHA.

I think the AHA's future as an organization, and how it serves it's members, faces daunting demands but explosive potential.  I will go forward with this belief as long as I'm asked to serve.

cheers!

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on May 28, 2010, 10:26:32 PM
It's great to have you and Fred as new blood on the GC, Jake.  Believe it or not, I kinda look forward to that 6 hour meeting every NHC because of what gets done in charting the course of the AHA.  The more feedback we solicit from members, the better we serve them and the hobby.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: stout_fan on June 19, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
Both audio and video captures of presentations are ideas that have been discussed and I'm willing to bet will be implemented at some point.  Powerpoints are available going back a few years.  ...

Since we have the new revised friendly and super spiffy home page.
Where the heck are the PDF and sessions from previous years located?
I can't seem to find them.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on June 19, 2010, 09:33:09 PM
Since we have the new revised friendly and super spiffy home page.
Where the heck are the PDF and sessions from previous years located?
I can't seem to find them.

http://ahaconference.org/speakerspresentation.html

But I'm with you...they should be easier to find.  I'll see what we can do about that.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 19, 2010, 10:43:36 PM
At this years conference there seems to be a focused effort to gather the presentations from the speakers.  Not all presentations from past years are on the site.  If this years are all posted in a few weeks, I will view this as good progress.

At the conference you can't make it to all of the sessions, so having the ability to read the presentations is one way around that.

PS - Good to see you last night, Denny.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on June 20, 2010, 04:00:30 AM
You, too, Jeff!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: darkhorse on June 22, 2010, 05:52:02 PM
I would like to see the AHA make the competition software used for the National Competition available as shareware to the clubs.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on June 22, 2010, 06:03:35 PM
I would like to see the AHA make the competition software used for the National Competition available as shareware to the clubs.

Wow, no kidding!  I've been using HCCP, and as much as I really appreciate all the effort that Al put into it, I'd love something a bit friendlier to use.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Crispy275 on June 23, 2010, 02:07:50 PM
One of this year's "themes" for the AHA Governing Committee annual meeting agenda was how to identify and solicit some of its memberships passion and skill sets to help the organization be stronger, more member orientated and to help spread some of the good ideas we have heard from members.

We discussed and agreed that we will try very specific and targeted "asks" of the membership. Two areas that were initially discussed were club insurance and some sort of national homebrew experiement.

I am happy to say that during the AHA member meeting on Friday that one individual from the Beer Barons of Milwalkee (name withheld until something materializes) indicated that their club currently does have liability insurance, is set up as a not for profit, and he has volunteered to share their policy with me. I have 20 years of Insurance experience, so I will be able to disect the policy and perhaps something nationally could become available. Or it may end up being a state specific policy only - we will see.

Another member approached fellow AHA GC member Fred Bonjour and indicated that he had a legal background, and could potentially provide some state reviews of their shipping laws. Here at Ford, a 50 state review is a very expensive and time consuming task. It would be wonderful if we could get more members to share their skill sets and provide the,m with some recognition and appreciation for their efforts.

The biggest concern is having people raise their hands to help out and then not following through. This is why we will focus on specific and targeted "asks" of our membership. Are you a biologist, a chemist, social media guru or have some other talent that you want to help out on? Watch for these asks on the Forum as Gary, his staff (Janis & Kate), the GC and the AHA members respond.

In the end, I have to say after six years on the AHA Governing Committee, the AHA does a bang up job with their limited resources. Could they do more? I believe that they could, but only by reducing their focus on what they are currently doing an excellent job on.

Since I have become chairperson of this august group, I have urged the AHA GC to do more. As you look at who is on the GC, they all do a terrific job of promoting the hobby in their own ways. So perhaps the biggest bang we can get for our hobby is to seek out, identify, encourage and help our members become more involved. Even if we gain only 1/10th of 1% of our members to chip in, that would be an additional 20 subject matter experts. And like Justin, one of our newest GC members has done, we can ally our members to be another "Army" of passionate, involved volunteers. These are indeed exciting times for the GC, the AHA and the hobby.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: hopshead on June 25, 2010, 04:43:44 PM
As an incoming member of the board, I'm happy to see a dialogue occurring between members and the board.  This forum is a great tool for such discourse, and I'm happy that it is being utilized.

I've read everything posted here so far, and thought I'd just put my two-cents in.  With this being said, I would welcome requests and discussions on what members would like to see, and find out how my ideas intersect with my fellow AHA members.  The following is a short list of what I'd like to accomplish:

1. Make efforts to increase dialogue between the AHA and it's members (like this thread!)
2. Explore more grass roots efforts (like AHA wort rallies) in raising the awareness and engagement within the hobby of homebrewing.
3. Develop approaches though new media. (shameless plug, but it's applicable - www.brewingtv.com)
4. Work to get homebrewing into a main-stream discourse vs. niche hobby.  This is essentially the balance to point #2 in a coordinated effort to move homebrewing into main stream culture.
5. Develop stronger relationships with partners and entities in the homebrewing industry, as they have historically done some heavy lifting for homebrewing culture, and will be crucial in it's future.

These of course are bullet points.  And much like a typical politician they are easy come, easy go from the mouth.  I do have specific road-maps and plans on how to attain them though.  My goal is to lay these ideas out as I work with other board members and develop my role in assisting the AHA.

I think the AHA's future as an organization, and how it serves it's members, faces daunting demands but explosive potential.  I will go forward with this belief as long as I'm asked to serve.

cheers!



EXACTLY!!!!!!
The AHA is a member organization.  It is my estimation that in recent years the members of this hobby have grown up with the internet and there are a lot of "youngbloods" getting into homebrewing.  So, to me the governing committee should ensure the AHA is a resource for brewers in all "modern" mediums (i.e. youtube, this website and forum, facebook, etc.)

Additionally, there are old school ideas about what homebrew clubs are and are not in the AHA.  The internet has changed this.  More specifically, there are not geographical limitations to group membership and sharing information.  Internet homebrew clubs should be  addressed by the governing committee.  I think groups, like the brewingnetwork should be able to win homebrew club of the year.

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on June 25, 2010, 08:01:54 PM
Internet homebrew clubs should be  addressed by the governing committee.  I think groups, like the brewingnetwork should be able to win homebrew club of the year.



In what way do you think this is not being done?  Not hassling you, just curious...as far as I can tell, internet clubs are acknowledged already.  But I'll look into your comments to make sure reality reflects my perceptions.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dbeechum on June 25, 2010, 08:24:20 PM
In what way do you think this is not being done?  Not hassling you, just curious...as far as I can tell, internet clubs are acknowledged already.  But I'll look into your comments to make sure reality reflects my perceptions.

And I'm not sure where they ended up, but the BN was actually in the lead going into Round 2. We did introduce a while back a rule that restricted geographically dispersed clubs from winning more points from a category than they could from a single region to balance things out a little
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: hopshead on June 26, 2010, 12:56:26 AM
Internet homebrew clubs should be  addressed by the governing committee.  I think groups, like the brewingnetwork should be able to win homebrew club of the year.



In what way do you think this is not being done?  Not hassling you, just curious...as far as I can tell, internet clubs are acknowledged already.  But I'll look into your comments to make sure reality reflects my perceptions.

Denny, you are correct.  For some reason I had it in my mind that internet clubs were not recognized.  I was mistaken and I see that the brewing network is a recognized club.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on June 26, 2010, 01:06:02 AM

Denny, you are correct.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while!  :)
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on July 05, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
The Committees that we are on will give you an idea of what we are working on (below)

AHA Governing Committee Subcommittees
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/membership/aha-governing-committee (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/membership/aha-governing-committee)

Club Support
Justin Crossley & Curt Stock (Co-Chairs), Roxanne Westendorf and Drew Beechum

Competitions
Harold Gulbransen (Chair), Paul Schick, Gordon Strong, Jamil Zainasheff and Curt Stock

Conference
Bob Kauffman (Chair), Fred Bonjour, Harold Gulbransen, Jamil Zainasheff, Curt Stock, Roxanne & Rob Westendorf and Jim Homer

Evange-ALE-ist/Pub Discount Program
Fred Bonjour (Chair), Chris Graham, Jeff Renner and Chris Frey

Retail
Jake Keller (Chair), Chris Graham, Justin Crossley and Dave Logsdon

Surveys
Roxanne Westendorf (Chair), Chris Frey, Chris Graham and Jake Keeler

Web
Denny Conn (Chair), Fred Bonjour, Drew Beechum, Dave Logsdon and Justin Crossley

Zymurgy Content
Drew Beechum (Chair), Roxanne Westendorf, Dave Logsdon, Jeff Renner, Denny Conn and Chris Frey

Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: lgharis on August 08, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
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I would like to see the AHA make the competition software used for the National Competition available as shareware to the clubs.

I would like to second this sentiment.  Here are some ideas for requirements.

- Accept online entry data and output to a standard format.
- Output category winners list in PDF, Excel, or some other standard electronic format.
- Output points by brewer and club for use by regional competition circuit to keep totals for total brewer points, club points and team points.
- Interface with PayPal or other payment options to gather data.
- Be able to select categories for a competition that does not include all BJCP styles and/or groups styles in different categories.  We have at least four such competitions in the Lone Star Circuit(Bluebonnet, Celtic, Limbo and Dixie Cup).

I would not expect all features to be in a beginning list.  Actually I rather liked the online entry used this year by the Cactus Challenge.  There has to be some software out there that would be acceptable as a starting point but just needs some mods.  It would require someone to register it with something like SourceForge.net.

Would it be possible for the AHA provide seed money for such an effort by someone/group who could do the programming.  Maybe have a submission of software for review by a panel that would select a winner.  The winner would receive some sort of reimbursement for their effort.  The reimbursement could be cash, NHC event registration paid for the next year, or free AHA membership for 1-n years.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on August 08, 2010, 05:10:01 PM
Great idea, but really this is nothing the GC can make a unilateral decision on.  This has to come from the AHA.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Gary Glass on August 09, 2010, 11:51:38 PM
We looked into making the NHC database into something that could be made available to a broader array of competitions a while back.  The NHC is a rather specialized competition, so while it works well for the NHC, it wouldn't work well for most other competitions.  Beyond that, we realized that we really didn't have the means of offering tech support for a competition database.  It's a lot to ask of a volunteer to create a database that could be widely used in many different competition scenarios and provide tech support into the future.  If someone is interested in doing that, great!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: ghumphrey on August 12, 2010, 07:28:32 PM
Quote
I would like to see the AHA make the competition software used for the National Competition available as shareware to the clubs.

I would like to second this sentiment.  Here are some ideas for requirements.

- Accept online entry data and output to a standard format.
- Output category winners list in PDF, Excel, or some other standard electronic format.
- Output points by brewer and club for use by regional competition circuit to keep totals for total brewer points, club points and team points.
- Interface with PayPal or other payment options to gather data.
- Be able to select categories for a competition that does not include all BJCP styles and/or groups styles in different categories.  We have at least four such competitions in the Lone Star Circuit(Bluebonnet, Celtic, Limbo and Dixie Cup).


If I may, there is already this type of software freely available to clubs that does most of the requested items above. It's called Brew Competition Online Entry. I created and maintain the code just for this reason.

Go to http://www.brewcompetition.com (http://www.brewcompetition.com) to test drive an installation. Clubs can download the entire source code and install it on their web servers OR clubs can have their competition entry website hosted by brewcompetion.com for a very minimal fee.

See also:
Features (http://brewcompetition.com/index.php?page=features)
Hosting Information (http://brewcompetition.com/index.php?page=hosting)
Order Hosting (http://brewcompetition.com/index.php?page=hosting&section=order)
Download at Google Code (http://code.google.com/p/brewcompetitiononlineentry/)
Download at SourceForge (https://sourceforge.net/projects/brewcompetition/)

Please contact me directly with any questions at prost@brewcompetition.com.

Thanks!

~Geoff
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on August 12, 2010, 08:50:19 PM
Geoff, that's great!  My club has been looking for something like this.  Thank you so much!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: hamiltont on August 12, 2010, 08:54:09 PM
We'll definitely look into Brew Competition Online Entry for next year's Buffalo County Fair Comp!!!  Thanks Geoff!!!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: ghumphrey on August 12, 2010, 10:03:54 PM
Geoff, that's great!  My club has been looking for something like this.  Thank you so much!

We'll definitely look into Brew Competition Online Entry for next year's Buffalo County Fair Comp!!!  Thanks Geoff!!!

My pleasure. We implemented version 1.0 for my club's competition (http://bierederock.rockhoppersbrewclub.com) last year - that helped work out some bugs in the program, but on the whole, it worked like a charm for collecting entries and entry fees.

Since then, I've been working closely with Bruce Buerger of the Beer Barons of Milwaukee to get some features and functionality implemented for use in the Schooner Homebrew Championship (http://registration.theschooner.org/), which is registering right now.

Spread the word!

Thanks,

Geoff
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: tschmidlin on August 12, 2010, 10:18:00 PM
Spread the word!

I already sent the link to a few clubs in my area, we've been talking about writing our own software since we don't love any of what's out there.  I'm sure they'll check it out.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on August 14, 2010, 10:27:24 PM

If I may, there is already this type of software freely available to clubs that does most of the requested items above. It's called Brew Competition Online Entry. I created and maintain the code just for this reason.

Please contact me directly with any questions at prost@brewcompetition.com.

Thanks!

~Geoff
Thank you for letting a lot of people know about your software.
Just for curiosity
What license did you realized it under?
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: ghumphrey on August 15, 2010, 06:13:21 PM
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Thank you for letting a lot of people know about your software.
Just for curiosity
What license did you realized it under?

It's under the GPL license from the Open Source Initiative. More info at: http://www.brewcompetition.com/index.php?page=license

Cheers!
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on August 15, 2010, 08:29:18 PM
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Thank you for letting a lot of people know about your software.
Just for curiosity
What license did you realized it under?

It's under the GPL license from the Open Source Initiative. More info at: http://www.brewcompetition.com/index.php?page=license

Cheers!
Very nice.
Thanks again
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: wamille on September 26, 2010, 03:38:30 AM
This is definetly selfish... but a lot of us overseas would love to be able to enjoy some American Craft Beer.  I'm in South Korea and the beer here is not good.  Worse, I love hoppy West Coast IPA's and strong American Stouts - neither are represented here in South Korea at all.  I've been trying my best to facilitate the opening of the American Craft Beer floodgates... tried talking to Kona, Maui, Pike, and a couple other breweries, but there seems to be problems locally that make exporting to South Korea problematic.  The biggest reason I'm told there are no American Craft Beers here is due to there lack of production capability domestically... so those of us overseas are just out of luck.  We do get a Canadian beer pale ale here from a brewery in Alberta.  It's not bad, but not a Dogfish Head 90-Minute IPA or Sierra Nevada Celebration... or (a beer I so desperately want to try) a Russian River Pliny Elder (or Younger).  I make my own beer... not bad I think... but again, I don't have a lot of time nor space in my tiny apartment.

Any help getting Great American Craft Beer to South Korea would be appreciated.  It might also be a mighty market as the beer here is so appaulingly bad and there are millions of beer drinkers to exploit!!!

Cheers,
Bill
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on September 26, 2010, 10:07:46 PM
While I can certainly sympathize with you, I'm afraid your request is beyond the scope of what the GC can do. 
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: tumarkin on September 26, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
on the topic of promoting craft beer to the Korean market..... as Denny said, that's beyond the scope of what the GC can do. It's beyond the scope of what the AHA can do ....on its own. But don't forget that the AHA is part of the BA umbrella. And this is not only within the scope of the BA, but it is actively working on promoting American craft beer on the world market. Perhaps not specifically to Korea, but certainly to Europe. And the scope of those efforts will likely widen as the initial efforts show some success.

It'd be great if the GC continues efforts to strenthen ties with our professional brethren. Those efforts were directly instrumental in the wildly successful ProAm category at the GABF. The GC rocks! Keep it up.



Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: dbeechum on September 27, 2010, 04:18:23 PM
Mark is right. The BA has a foreign out reach program that's looking at expanding the craft beer market internationally.

Much of the focus has been on Europe, but there have been some efforts with regards to China as well. Hey, it's not Korea, but its getting there!

From the GC's viewpoint, the main thing we do for these efforts is serve as cheerleaders and cheer we shall.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: jwaldner on September 28, 2010, 01:54:35 AM
I would like to see the governing committee push the brewing schools and instituitions into accepting VA benefits for training!

I can't believe I can use my benefits to become a cosmotologist but not for technical training in brewing.

Who's in for an all-grain facial?!  :D
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on September 28, 2010, 01:34:29 PM
I would like to see the governing committee push the brewing schools and instituitions into accepting VA benefits for training!

I can't believe I can use my benefits to become a cosmotologist but not for technical training in brewing.

Who's in for an all-grain facial?!  :D
I've asked a friend to look into this.  Do you have a reference to a document that denies this?

We would need someone to push for this, similar to the committees/people working with legislation on making home-brewing legal in a state.

A vet on the GC
Fred
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: denny on September 28, 2010, 03:40:01 PM
Once again, I'm not sure that's anything the GC can do, but we can certainly look into it to find out.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: jwaldner on September 28, 2010, 09:44:11 PM
I would like to see the governing committee push the brewing schools and instituitions into accepting VA benefits for training!

I can't believe I can use my benefits to become a cosmotologist but not for technical training in brewing.

Who's in for an all-grain facial?!  :D
I've asked a friend to look into this.  Do you have a reference to a document that denies this?

We would need someone to push for this, similar to the committees/people working with legislation on making home-brewing legal in a state.

A vet on the GC
Fred

Thanks,

There is no one central document but if you go to the following website (http://www.gibill.va.gov/resources/education-resources/find-a-school.html) and check only the schools that are listed are approved for attendance. I've personaly correspnded with the VA and associated schoolds and received the following responses:

UC Davis - Only for vets undergoing vocational rehabilitation; (Frankly this makes little sense to me)
Siebel - Not approved and they do not want to pursue approval according to their POC
American Brewers Guild - Not approved and they do not want to pursue approval according to their POC
MBAA - Not approved with the VA
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on September 29, 2010, 12:32:02 AM
Looking at the link you sent
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NCD (Non-College-Degree) Training

Not available under the Post-9/11 GI Bill

    The GI Bill is available for training at Non-College-Degree Institutions, examples of this type of training are diploma vocational schools such as:

        * HVAC Certification
        * Truck Driving
        * EMT Certification
        * Barber/Beautician School
from http://www.gibill.va.gov/GI_Bill_Info/CH33/Benefit_Comparison_Chart.htm#NOTE5 (http://www.gibill.va.gov/GI_Bill_Info/CH33/Benefit_Comparison_Chart.htm#NOTE5)
5 Non College Degree (NCD) program. An NCD program offered at an IHL is approved. If offered at other than an IHL it is not approved.

From what I see UC Davis works thru the Food Sciences for brewing so that could be a possibility
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: jwaldner on September 29, 2010, 12:56:02 AM
Yes, UC Davis is an approved program. However, it is only for veterans under the rehabilitation program. If your a vet that's not undergoing rehabilitation unfortunately you're not eligible.

I also ran across what you quoted regarding non Institute of Higher Learning (IHL) training but according to the VA who I've contacted there are no approved brewers programs and thus no tuition assitance available.
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: bonjour on September 29, 2010, 01:28:27 AM
VA programs are legislated.  The AHA cannot initiate a bill.  For that you or someone has to work with your reps in Washington to submit a bill.  The BA/AHA can supply information and such, and put out a rally call when appropriate, but you need to get it started
Title: Re: What do you want your AHA Governing Committee to do for you?
Post by: jwaldner on September 29, 2010, 01:59:07 AM
VA programs are legislated.  The AHA cannot initiate a bill.  For that you or someone has to work with your reps in Washington to submit a bill.  The BA/AHA can supply information and such, and put out a rally call when appropriate, but you need to get it started

Understand that, but it's not necessarily a bill that needs to be initiated. The brewing schools just need to work with the VA to submit their applications so they can be approved to accept VA benefits. The governing comittee just needs to work with the schools to try and convince them this is a worthy cause and will not only benefit veterans but also benefit their instituitions while furthering the art and science of brewing.