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Title: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: tommymorris on September 26, 2014, 11:30:14 PM
I saw that a regular contributor here was recently attacked rather intensely and persistently by a jerk on another forum for not liking Briess malts.

I am glad that type behavior is rare here.

AHA - A Forum for Ladies and Gentlemen
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: Stevie on September 26, 2014, 11:34:10 PM
Crazy.

This place is 99% polite. It's why I come here.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: thirsty on September 26, 2014, 11:52:38 PM
This is where the grown-ups hang out to discuss beer.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: tress on September 26, 2014, 11:55:25 PM
I've actually stopped going to the "other" forums and spend all of my time here...where I get to talk to real homebrewers and professionals
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: klickitat jim on September 27, 2014, 12:03:19 AM
I'm trying to picture myself laying awake at night trying to come up with the most hateful thing I can say to a person who simply doesn't like a certain brand of malt.... that night would end with a bang.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: majorvices on September 27, 2014, 12:08:46 AM
Some of you may remember the early days of the forum here we had a few trolls and jerks who finally got bored with the civility of decent folk and took their antics elsewhere. I had some very odd PM discussions with a couple of really creepy folks. Man, its been a breeze being a mod here the last 3 or 4 years. You guys are the best invisible friends a guy could have! :)
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: Fighting Buddha on September 27, 2014, 12:27:41 AM
Big +1 from a new guy.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: dls5492 on September 27, 2014, 12:44:56 AM
I love coming here because I learn a lot! There is no such thing as a dumb question. Thanks to all for having a teaching mind set!!!!!
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: klickitat jim on September 27, 2014, 12:47:20 AM
Having been here for a bit, my guess is that we have a couple things going for us. 1. Decent people to begin with. 2. Many of you go to NHC, so it would be kind of weird meeting nice people with whom you've been a butt hole to for the past year. I said, couple things, so I'll keep the other reasons to myself for now.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: dcb on September 27, 2014, 01:22:33 AM
+1 from another newb.  This is the only forum I've been able to enjoy for more than a couple months.  I ride a Harley but have yet to find a forum that's very civil at all.  This place is full of truly great folks.


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Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 27, 2014, 01:38:56 AM
I read and got a feel for a few of the other forums before joining in here, taking in info and comparing it to my own experience. But in some cases, when I was about to join in a discussion, it had already dissolved into ugly, unnecessary BS - no time for that.  Maybe bad timing, but I moved on. But this forum is a few notches above that stuff. People disagree here but it's usually a GOOD thing, because we learn something in the process, instead of just talking a bunch of territorial BS.
Title: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: Stevie on September 27, 2014, 02:01:48 AM
And in closing, Briess malts rule! If your not down with Briess, you don't know what you're doing. /sarcasm

Edit - your does not = you're. I'm a few pints in tonight.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 27, 2014, 02:06:29 AM
And in closing, Briess malts rule! If your not down with Briess, you don't know what your doing. /sarcasm

Yep, some other domestic 2 row will destroy your beer. There are no other variables.   :D
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: tommymorris on September 27, 2014, 02:43:45 AM
I don't know if I like Briess malts or not, but, I promise to be nice to those who do and don't.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: tonyp on September 27, 2014, 04:05:18 AM
Man, its been a breeze being a mod here the last 3 or 4 years. You guys are the best invisible friends a guy could have! :)

Challenge accepted.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: koop3700 on September 27, 2014, 12:39:23 PM
+1 from another newbie love this forum have tried others as well no bs here.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: denny on September 27, 2014, 03:39:57 PM
I saw that a regular contributor here was recently attacked rather intensely and persistently by a jerk on another forum for not liking Briess malts.

I am glad that type behavior is rare here.

AHA - A Forum for Ladies and Gentlemen

So am I!
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: reverseapachemaster on September 27, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
Not only is this place incredibly civil but it's also nice not to have new threads posted so fast that a good discussion gets lost.

Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: chumley on September 27, 2014, 04:35:25 PM
I kind of like being a butthead and engaging in what you all may call trolling, but I prefer to call it homebrewing smack talk. What amazes me is that people get upset about a post on the internet.  It's the internet, fer chrissakes....it's not like they are telling it to your face.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: denny on September 27, 2014, 04:56:17 PM
I kind of like being a butthead and engaging in what you all may call trolling, but I prefer to call it homebrewing smack talk. What amazes me is that people get upset about a post on the internet.  It's the internet, fer chrissakes....it's not like they are telling it to your face.

In a way, they are saying it to your face.  That said, if you weren't a troll ;), life wouldn't be as much fun!  I guess I've known you long enough to know when you're serious and when you're not.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: chumley on September 27, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Well, thanks Denny. I guess what I am trying to say is I don't take it personally, so I am always surprised when others take it personally.

Even when I was in my trolling hay day, about 6-8 years ago when on the B&V I trolled Dan Listermann mercilessly about extinct Russian oak, brewing with pigeon feed, and loading dock fans, I never had any animosity towards Dan.  In fact, I learned a couple of great tips from Dan (like Munton's Gold yeast!) and I generally like the guy.  I don't think Dan cared eiter, he could dish it out as well as the next guy.  In fact, Dan and I and a third party wheeled and dealed a three way trade that left all of us better off than we were.  Yet, I used to get personal hate mail from people who weren't involved.  I just don't get it. I think its because I am of sarcastic Scandinavian descent.

In real life, I am a consultant who supports the federal government in technical matters in ongoing consent decree negotiations with a multi-national corporation and other third parties.  It amazes me how some people will take negotiations personally, and start to engage in personal attacks and the like. Maybe it's my background as a professional engineer, where it is a job to be an advocate, but these issues are not my life, that gives me a different perspective on the seriousness of trolling.

P.S.  I usually write better than this, but I am drinking my second dubbel.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: denny on September 27, 2014, 11:22:10 PM
Well, thanks Denny. I guess what I am trying to say is I don't take it personally, so I am always surprised when others take it personally.

Even when I was in my trolling hay day, about 6-8 years ago when on the B&V I trolled Dan Listermann mercilessly about extinct Russian oak, brewing with pigeon feed, and loading dock fans, I never had any animosity towards Dan.  In fact, I learned a couple of great tips from Dan (like Munton's Gold yeast!) and I generally like the guy.  I don't think Dan cared eiter, he could dish it out as well as the next guy.  In fact, Dan and I and a third party wheeled and dealed a three way trade that left all of us better off than we were.  Yet, I used to get personal hate mail from people who weren't involved.  I just don't get it. I think its because I am of sarcastic Scandinavian descent.

In real life, I am a consultant who supports the federal government in technical matters in ongoing consent decree negotiations with a multi-national corporation and other third parties.  It amazes me how some people will take negotiations personally, and start to engage in personal attacks and the like. Maybe it's my background as a professional engineer, where it is a job to be an advocate, but these issues are not my life, that gives me a different perspective on the seriousness of trolling.

P.S.  I usually write better than this, but I am drinking my second dubbel.

The difference is that you don't make personal attacks and the humor in your trolling is usually evident.  In the original thread mentioned here, it wasn't good natured trolling.  It was dorect personal attacks.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: tommymorris on September 28, 2014, 01:58:32 AM
I agree with Denny.

Good natured ribbing and strong opinions are OK. Personal attacks that go on and on are not OK.

Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 28, 2014, 02:08:42 AM
I agree with Denny.

Good natured ribbing and strong opinions are OK. Personal attacks that go on and on are not OK.



+1
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: pete b on September 28, 2014, 02:18:25 AM
+2
Also, I have seen people on this site who have slipped up behave like adults when called out on something. Very cool IMO. We can all say the wrong thing now and then, especially online.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: beersk on September 28, 2014, 04:58:04 AM
The internet is not a free pass to be a dick, but it happens, so get over it. Ignore and move on. Weed out the bullsh*t. There is A LOT of it out there.
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: klickitat jim on September 28, 2014, 05:21:24 AM
I agree with Denny.

Good natured ribbing and strong opinions are OK. Personal attacks that go on and on are not OK.

Speaking of good natured ribbing...
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: erockrph on September 28, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
I agree with Denny.

Good natured ribbing and strong opinions are OK. Personal attacks that go on and on are not OK.

Speaking of good natured ribbing...
For her pleasure?
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 28, 2014, 12:24:00 PM
I have to watch my postings after a couple dubbels...that's when my language can get a bit more salty. 

I like the fact that this forum seems to be posted by folks who are pretty thoughtful with more brewing insight than ego.  And yes, I have been convinced more than once that I should re-think my approach on something.  That has often improved my beers and made me try something different than what conventional wisdom (read: the way it's always done) would dictate.  Learn, calibrate, then re-calibrate with changes.

By far my favorite hobby.  Yesterday I had a British woman tell me that my Mild was "spot on".  I needed no greater compliment.  It was the Cigar City "El Lector" from the book "Craft Beer for the Homebrewer".  I would not have known about that book, let alone bought it, but for this forum.  Thanks, Denny!
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: tommymorris on September 28, 2014, 01:02:51 PM
Do you ever drive by an accident and slow down to take a closer look? That's sort of what I was doing when I started this thread. The thread turned into yet another AHA forum love fest (YAAFLF) and Internet ethics discussion (IED). A few of you chafe at that a bit. I get it. My bad.

And now we have Jim making condom jokes. This thread has gone though it's normal life cycle. 

Do I have a motion to close the conversation?
Title: Re: Internet != free pass to be a jerk
Post by: majorvices on September 28, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
I think the smart thing at this juncture is to just lock this up. Can't see it going anywhere else and I don't want to start an argument with another forum. Peace. out.