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Title: NHC 15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 02, 2014, 11:19:45 pm
It can't be too soon to start planning yet? What are you entering this year. For me, I got a 40 (38/42) on my Scottish so I'm going for it again. The National level judge picked up oxidation and gave it a 42. The rank pending said it was lacking peat earth. So I'm going to change one thing. I'm bottle conditioning instead of bottling off the keg. Fingers crossed.

Then I'm cheating. Entering my peat earth lacking Scott as a Northern English Brown since my wife can't tell it apart from New Castle Brown. Then I'm doing one with more hops to enter as a Special Bitter.

Depending on how my NW Wild turns out I might enter it as am American Mixed Fermentation 28b in new guidelines, if they decide to use them this year.

So 3 maybe 4 entries planned.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: udubdawg on November 03, 2014, 06:26:51 am
I had hoped we'd see the new styles, even if we were stuck with the existing 28 categories, or a similar number.  Going to 40 categories would seriously limit the number of First Round regions, and thus the size of the competition.

curious how they'll eventually switch to 2014 guidelines for 2016.  Combining some small categories?
hmm...
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: theDarkSide on November 03, 2014, 06:28:24 am
I seem to be winning more medals in Cider and Mead than beer recently, so I may just enter those this year.  Of course it all depends on how the selection process goes with the comp too.  Last year was relatively stress free, but who know what this year will bring.  You never know, it may be limited to just 1 or 2 entries.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 03, 2014, 10:03:15 am
I'm going to be moving across country soon so I'm not going to get the chance to brew much for the comp this year. So that means It's going to have to be pretty much all aged beers this year. Maybe a mead that I've had sitting around for 4 or 5 years too.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: Janis on November 03, 2014, 10:38:41 am
It can't be too soon to start planning yet? What are you entering this year. For me, I got a 40 (38/42) on my Scottish so I'm going for it again. The National level judge picked up oxidation and gave it a 42. The rank pending said it was lacking peat earth. So I'm going to change one thing. I'm bottle conditioning instead of bottling off the keg. Fingers crossed.

Then I'm cheating. Entering my peat earth lacking Scott as a Northern English Brown since my wife can't tell it apart from New Castle Brown. Then I'm doing one with more hops to enter as a Special Bitter.

Depending on how my NW Wild turns out I might enter it as am American Mixed Fermentation 28b in new guidelines, if they decide to use them this year.

So 3 maybe 4 entries planned.

Hi Jim,

The proposed 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines will not be finalized soon enough to use in the 2015 National Homebrew Competition (NHC).  We will use the 2008 BJCP Style Guidelines for the upcoming 2015 NHC, and we will transition to the new BJCP guidelines for the 2016 NHC.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: theDarkSide on November 03, 2014, 11:14:28 am
I'm going to be moving across country soon so I'm not going to get the chance to brew much for the comp this year. So that means It's going to have to be pretty much all aged beers this year. Maybe a mead that I've had sitting around for 4 or 5 years too.

Coming back to VT?
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 03, 2014, 11:16:10 am
I'm going to be moving across country soon so I'm not going to get the chance to brew much for the comp this year. So that means It's going to have to be pretty much all aged beers this year. Maybe a mead that I've had sitting around for 4 or 5 years too.

Coming back to VT?

yuppers! finally. came out to california for 2 years so my wife could get her masters degree. been here for nearly 7. time to go home.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: reverseapachemaster on November 03, 2014, 12:52:24 pm
Every year I think about entering NHC or some other homebrewing competition but then I never get around to designing something to fit the competition styles.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: theDarkSide on November 03, 2014, 01:40:30 pm
Every year I think about entering NHC or some other homebrewing competition but then I never get around to designing something to fit the competition styles.

Category 23 - Specialty
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 03, 2014, 01:43:51 pm
Every year I think about entering NHC or some other homebrewing competition but then I never get around to designing something to fit the competition styles.

Category 23 - Specialty

or 16E if you roll with the belgians
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 03, 2014, 04:09:53 pm
It can't be too soon to start planning yet? What are you entering this year. For me, I got a 40 (38/42) on my Scottish so I'm going for it again. The National level judge picked up oxidation and gave it a 42. The rank pending said it was lacking peat earth. So I'm going to change one thing. I'm bottle conditioning instead of bottling off the keg. Fingers crossed.

Then I'm cheating. Entering my peat earth lacking Scott as a Northern English Brown since my wife can't tell it apart from New Castle Brown. Then I'm doing one with more hops to enter as a Special Bitter.

Depending on how my NW Wild turns out I might enter it as am American Mixed Fermentation 28b in new guidelines, if they decide to use them this year.

So 3 maybe 4 entries planned.

Hi Jim,

The proposed 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines will not be finalized soon enough to use in the 2015 National Homebrew Competition (NHC).  We will use the 2008 BJCP Style Guidelines for the upcoming 2015 NHC, and we will transition to the new BJCP guidelines for the 2016 NHC.

Cheers,
Janis

Good to know that. Thanks Janis
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: pete b on November 13, 2014, 02:29:57 pm
I'm going to be moving across country soon so I'm not going to get the chance to brew much for the comp this year. So that means It's going to have to be pretty much all aged beers this year. Maybe a mead that I've had sitting around for 4 or 5 years too.

Coming back to VT?

yuppers! finally. came out to california for 2 years so my wife could get her masters degree. been here for nearly 7. time to go home.
Welcome back to Vermont. This is it 3 weeks ago with a beer. Well, the foreground is Vermont, the far shore N.H.
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/peterbaker8/215_zpsd14277fb.jpg)
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 13, 2014, 03:25:05 pm
well now I'm thirsty!

thanks. really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 29, 2014, 02:28:24 am
Kick off tomorrow! I have 1728 on the stirplate now. Boiling the first gallon down to scary. And tryin to be meticulous with everything else. Then Sunday I think I'll throw together an APA just for fun and tap variety, not for competition.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: udubdawg on December 04, 2014, 07:08:47 am
most of the regions and dates are on the BJCP calendar, just fyi.

bummer no KC region, but they deserve a break.  Also sucks Easter is in the middle there and so many regions are on one weekend, but I suspect there's nothing else that could be done - the spring gets awfully busy with events/comps.  Still, those 4/10 regions are going to have to store entries for 5 weeks or so before they ever judge them.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: theDarkSide on December 04, 2014, 07:11:18 am
most of the regions and dates are on the BJCP calendar, just fyi.

bummer no KC region, but they deserve a break.  Also sucks Easter is in the middle there and so many regions are on one weekend, but I suspect there's nothing else that could be done - the spring gets awfully busy with events/comps.  Still, those 4/10 regions are going to have to store entries for 5 weeks or so before they ever judge them.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael
Darn it...I was going to send my entries to KC this year since you guys gave me a couple medals in cider in your comp last year.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: Janis on December 04, 2014, 10:10:48 am
most of the regions and dates are on the BJCP calendar, just fyi.

bummer no KC region, but they deserve a break.  Also sucks Easter is in the middle there and so many regions are on one weekend, but I suspect there's nothing else that could be done - the spring gets awfully busy with events/comps.  Still, those 4/10 regions are going to have to store entries for 5 weeks or so before they ever judge them.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael
Hi Michael,

Yeah, the competition dates for 2015 are March 13 to April 12, 2015.  Easter (4/5) and also the Craft Brewers Conference in Portland (4/13-18) kind of hurt the schedule a bit, but there isn't anything I can do about that.  I have 2 more competitions to register; Austin, TX and Saint Louis, MO.  I don't have dates or shipping/judging info for either right now.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 04, 2014, 05:15:08 pm
Cool! Seattle moved to Bellvue which is awesome! Really looking forward to it!
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: udubdawg on December 05, 2014, 12:21:23 pm
Thanks Janis!

small request:  is it too late for a software update?

the software makes us choose between Dry, Semi-Sweet, or Sweet for Mead/cider.  This works OK with mead, as they are judged on 3 levels.

however, for us cidermakers, we are judged on a 5-level scoresheet:
http://bjcp.org/docs/SCP_CiderScoreSheet.pdf
Sweetness:  Dry  Semi-Dry  Medium  Semi-Sweet  Sweet

Effectively, the only ones we are allowed to choose are 1, 4, and 5 on the 5-pt scale...

I would request one of the following in order of preference:

1. A software change that lets us enter all 5 sweetness levels present on the scoresheet.
2. A smaller change:  change the middle of the 3 from "semi-sweet" to "medium" so that at least we can enter the actual midpoint of the 5 levels: 1, 3, and 5.  Note this would fit perfectly with the mead scoresheet which uses  Dry  Medium  Sweet
3. A request that all organizers tell their cider judges that entrants were not allowed to enter 2 of the 5 sweetness levels. 

...it sounds like a non-issue but I've gotten hammered in each of the last two Finals for "You entered this as semi-sweet but it is really semi-dry."    ::)

thank you
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: braufessor on December 08, 2014, 09:30:41 am
Still, those 4/10 regions are going to have to store entries for 5 weeks or so before they ever judge them.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael

What is the rationale behind requiring all entries to arrive at the same time, regardless of when they are going to be judged?  That makes very little sense to me, but I could be missing something.  Why couldn't each regional accept entries by a date most reasonable for them.  Bottling a beer 6 weeks before it is going to be judged is not at all in the best interest of the beer.  Plus, I would think the regionals would rather not have to find a place to store them for that long either.  Seems a simple fix would be to simply have a "beer must arrive by" date that is 2-3 weeks before each regional competition - just like every other competition all year long.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: brewinhard on December 08, 2014, 04:35:15 pm
Still, those 4/10 regions are going to have to store entries for 5 weeks or so before they ever judge them.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael

What is the rationale behind requiring all entries to arrive at the same time, regardless of when they are going to be judged?  That makes very little sense to me, but I could be missing something.  Why couldn't each regional accept entries by a date most reasonable for them.  Bottling a beer 6 weeks before it is going to be judged is not at all in the best interest of the beer.  Plus, I would think the regionals would rather not have to find a place to store them for that long either.  Seems a simple fix would be to simply have a "beer must arrive by" date that is 2-3 weeks before each regional competition - just like every other competition all year long.

Totally agree.  Maybe that can be changed...
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 08, 2014, 04:38:27 pm
The info for 15 seems to be trickling out. Its possible that each regional comp will have their own ship dates by that time.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: Janis on December 08, 2014, 04:42:31 pm
Hi all,

No, there are no specific ship dates for each competition.  All entries are due at the same time.  Sorry.  If you knew what a monumental task it is to put this whole thing together, you would understand.  Possibly.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: Tim Thomssen on December 08, 2014, 06:54:06 pm
Thanks Janis!

small request:  is it too late for a software update?

the software makes us choose between Dry, Semi-Sweet, or Sweet for Mead/cider.  This works OK with mead, as they are judged on 3 levels.

however, for us cidermakers, we are judged on a 5-level scoresheet:
http://bjcp.org/docs/SCP_CiderScoreSheet.pdf
Sweetness:  Dry  Semi-Dry  Medium  Semi-Sweet  Sweet

Effectively, the only ones we are allowed to choose are 1, 4, and 5 on the 5-pt scale...

I would request one of the following in order of preference:

1. A software change that lets us enter all 5 sweetness levels present on the scoresheet.
2. A smaller change:  change the middle of the 3 from "semi-sweet" to "medium" so that at least we can enter the actual midpoint of the 5 levels: 1, 3, and 5.  Note this would fit perfectly with the mead scoresheet which uses  Dry  Medium  Sweet
3. A request that all organizers tell their cider judges that entrants were not allowed to enter 2 of the 5 sweetness levels. 

...it sounds like a non-issue but I've gotten hammered in each of the last two Finals for "You entered this as semi-sweet but it is really semi-dry."    ::)

thank you
--Michael


I think the problem is that the score sheet does not seem to match up with the style guidelines.  The score sheet shows 5 sweetness levels while the current guidelines only have 3, dry, medium & sweet.

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/ciderintro.php


Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 08, 2014, 08:54:25 pm
Still, those 4/10 regions are going to have to store entries for 5 weeks or so before they ever judge them.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael

What is the rationale behind requiring all entries to arrive at the same time, regardless of when they are going to be judged?  That makes very little sense to me, but I could be missing something.  Why couldn't each regional accept entries by a date most reasonable for them.  Bottling a beer 6 weeks before it is going to be judged is not at all in the best interest of the beer.  Plus, I would think the regionals would rather not have to find a place to store them for that long either.  Seems a simple fix would be to simply have a "beer must arrive by" date that is 2-3 weeks before each regional competition - just like every other competition all year long.

My $.02 is that all the beers your's are judged against are just as old.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 09, 2014, 05:05:04 am
Still, those 4/10 regions are going to have to store entries for 5 weeks or so before they ever judge them.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael

What is the rationale behind requiring all entries to arrive at the same time, regardless of when they are going to be judged?  That makes very little sense to me, but I could be missing something.  Why couldn't each regional accept entries by a date most reasonable for them.  Bottling a beer 6 weeks before it is going to be judged is not at all in the best interest of the beer.  Plus, I would think the regionals would rather not have to find a place to store them for that long either.  Seems a simple fix would be to simply have a "beer must arrive by" date that is 2-3 weeks before each regional competition - just like every other competition all year long.

My $.02 is that all the beers your's are judged against are just as old.
It will push more folks back to bottle conditioning too. Filling off a keg may be tough to get it to survive that long without oxy
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: Jimmy K on December 09, 2014, 07:17:29 am
I think the problem is that the score sheet does not seem to match up with the style guidelines.  The score sheet shows 5 sweetness levels while the current guidelines only have 3, dry, medium & sweet.

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/ciderintro.php (http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/ciderintro.php)
That should be OK, although judges should be told that the entrant only had three levels to pick. Still, if they don't it shouldn't be a problem.
 
Having the term for 'medium' changed to 'semi-sweet' presents a problem though when 'semi-sweet' has a different meaning on the scoresheet.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: Jimmy K on December 09, 2014, 07:21:06 am
Thanks Janis!

small request:  is it too late for a software update?

the software makes us choose between Dry, Semi-Sweet, or Sweet for Mead/cider.  This works OK with mead, as they are judged on 3 levels.

however, for us cidermakers, we are judged on a 5-level scoresheet:
http://bjcp.org/docs/SCP_CiderScoreSheet.pdf (http://bjcp.org/docs/SCP_CiderScoreSheet.pdf)
Sweetness:  Dry  Semi-Dry  Medium  Semi-Sweet  Sweet

Effectively, the only ones we are allowed to choose are 1, 4, and 5 on the 5-pt scale...

I would request one of the following in order of preference:

1. A software change that lets us enter all 5 sweetness levels present on the scoresheet.
2. A smaller change:  change the middle of the 3 from "semi-sweet" to "medium" so that at least we can enter the actual midpoint of the 5 levels: 1, 3, and 5.  Note this would fit perfectly with the mead scoresheet which uses  Dry  Medium  Sweet
3. A request that all organizers tell their cider judges that entrants were not allowed to enter 2 of the 5 sweetness levels. 

...it sounds like a non-issue but I've gotten hammered in each of the last two Finals for "You entered this as semi-sweet but it is really semi-dry."    ::)

thank you
--Michael
'Medium' is the middle descriptor on both the cider and mead scoresheets, so simply changing 'semi-sweet' to 'medium' in the software would probably help a lot and should be relatively easy. (I mean easier than reprogramming to include 5 levels.)
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: udubdawg on December 09, 2014, 07:53:03 am
I think the problem is that the score sheet does not seem to match up with the style guidelines.  The score sheet shows 5 sweetness levels while the current guidelines only have 3, dry, medium & sweet.

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/ciderintro.php (http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/ciderintro.php)
That should be OK, although judges should be told that the entrant only had three levels to pick. Still, if they don't it shouldn't be a problem.
 
Having the term for 'medium' changed to 'semi-sweet' presents a problem though when 'semi-sweet' has a different meaning on the scoresheet.

exactly.

I could have also said:
4:  Allow entrants to add specialty information to all ciders and meads.  Currently there is no ability to add such information to 27A and 27D.  I've always thought entrants should be allowed to list apples/pears, especially if single-varietal cider.  "semi-dry Golden Russet SV, lightly carbonated" solves the problem...
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: reverseapachemaster on December 09, 2014, 08:41:29 am
My $.02 is that all the beers your's are judged against are just as old.

I think it is ultimately a logistics issue for the organizers but the product of the rule is certainly a level playing field for beer age. It may not be in every beer's best interests but it's more fair than letting people game their proximity or mailing options to get a fresher beer into the judges' hands. It is a rule that cuts against people who would brew a hop-forward beer in styles where there can be a range of hop character (like saison) but knowing the rules well in advance allows the brewer to decide whether he or she wants to risk sending that beer to the competition.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 09, 2014, 09:44:44 am
My $.02 is that all the beers your's are judged against are just as old.

I think it is ultimately a logistics issue for the organizers but the product of the rule is certainly a level playing field for beer age. It may not be in every beer's best interests but it's more fair than letting people game their proximity or mailing options to get a fresher beer into the judges' hands. It is a rule that cuts against people who would brew a hop-forward beer in styles where there can be a range of hop character (like saison) but knowing the rules well in advance allows the brewer to decide whether he or she wants to risk sending that beer to the competition.

Agreed. It is a brewing competition, packaging is part of the brewing process. One should learn to package with low O2 to preserve the beer. That goes for all beers, as O2 will stale any beer, and decrease hop aroma in those hoppy styles.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: braufessor on December 16, 2014, 03:38:58 pm
Is there any word yet on when the St. Louis Region for NHC will be held?  Just curious where it will fit compared to other midwest regions as far as planning brews.  Getting close to time to brew some of the beers for NHC and that 3-4 week window makes a pretty good differnce.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 16, 2014, 03:52:01 pm
It seems one or 2 locations have not registered with the BJCP yet. No St. Louis so far, you sure they have one this year (I really don't know)? If they do keep looking at the BJCP site.

http://www.bjcp.org/apps/comp_schedule/competition_schedule.php

Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: braufessor on December 16, 2014, 03:58:11 pm
I have been watching the calendar..... But had not seen an update.  I am assuming there will be one there, as earlier in the thread, Janis had stated:

"I have 2 more competitions to register; Austin, TX and Saint Louis, MO.  I don't have dates or shipping/judging info for either right now."

Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 16, 2014, 06:42:11 pm
I have been watching the calendar..... But had not seen an update.  I am assuming there will be one there, as earlier in the thread, Janis had stated:

"I have 2 more competitions to register; Austin, TX and Saint Louis, MO.  I don't have dates or shipping/judging info for either right now."

If Janis says so, there you go.

Amanda K might have an idea.

Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: udubdawg on December 16, 2014, 09:58:29 pm
Is there any word yet on when the St. Louis Region for NHC will be held?  Just curious where it will fit compared to other midwest regions as far as planning brews.  Getting close to time to brew some of the beers for NHC and that 3-4 week window makes a pretty good differnce.

not officially.
However, I've seen the weekend of March 27th mentioned.  Take that FWIW.
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: braufessor on December 19, 2014, 04:29:37 pm
03/27/2015

AHA National Homebrew Competition 1st Round - Saint Louis
Saint Louis, MO
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: Janis on December 19, 2014, 04:33:48 pm
Right.  And Austin looks like it will be March 13-15, 2015.  I will register this competition on Monday, 12/22/2014.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: AmandaK on January 15, 2015, 09:58:16 am
If Janis says so, there you go.

Amanda K might have an idea.

Thankfully, I'm blissfully unaware this year. 8) Our club (KCBM) hosted the past two years in KC and we were all in need of a break.

Based on the StL date, looks like I'm out of judging for the First Round this year as well. See you guys in San Diego!  ;D
Title: Re: NHC 15
Post by: udubdawg on February 16, 2015, 07:02:42 am

I would request one of the following in order of preference:

1. A software change that lets us enter all 5 sweetness levels present on the scoresheet.
 

fyi, this was done.  Also, 27A allows specialty (apple variety, etc) information, another thing I mentioned.

Nice job paying attention to entrant concerns AHA - much appreciated.

cheers--
--Michael