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Title: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: courtneyt on April 28, 2010, 06:11:44 PM
I see form reading some of the other posts that some folks have gotten their scoresheets and still others know whether or not their beer has advanced to the finals.  I have checked the homebrewers associtation web site and can't find where any results have been posted.  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: hamiltont on April 28, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
They're getting close. The results will be posted here: http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/winners when the processing is done.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: mroakley on April 28, 2010, 07:06:20 PM
Think it's been a day since the AHA Facebook status has been updated as well.  Almost a day since only one group left to process.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: Janis on April 28, 2010, 07:20:02 PM
Think it's been a day since the AHA Facebook status has been updated as well.  Almost a day since only one group left to process.

It may seem like a day to you, but to me it seems like a week.   ;)

Sometimes one database is more problematic than the others, and this last one is it for this year.  To top it off, the web version of the Winners Lists will not be ready until next week.  In order to ensure you don't have to wait any longer, I am now saving all lists as downloadable PDFs, and they will be available later this afternoon.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: mroakley on April 28, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
Thanks for all of your hard work and the update!
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: wingnut on April 28, 2010, 08:11:31 PM
Janis,

Your the Best!!!

Thanks so much for all the work you put into this! 
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: dirk_mclargehuge on April 28, 2010, 08:21:46 PM
You rock, Janis.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 28, 2010, 08:30:10 PM
Thanks for the hard work Janis.

I am sure there is short term pain this time of year with the NHC and Big Brew, but big gratification for you the night of the awards banquet.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: bluesman on April 28, 2010, 08:39:51 PM
Wow Janis...that would be great. Thanks!
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: Janis on April 28, 2010, 08:57:03 PM
Thanks for the hard work Janis.

I am sure there is short term pain this time of year with the NHC and Big Brew, but big gratification for you the night of the awards banquet.

One or two visits to my chiropractor would help tremendously in the short term.   :)
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: hamiltont on April 28, 2010, 09:07:50 PM
Or a couple Strong Scotch Ales measuring in at 11%??  :o
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: Janis on April 28, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
The WINNERS LISTS ARE POSTED!!!!!!!    ;D

Good luck everyone!

Cheers,
   Janis
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: bluesman on April 29, 2010, 02:23:46 AM
Excellent work Janis!

Has anyone advanced to the final round?
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: brewmichigan on April 29, 2010, 02:48:01 AM
I got 2 third place finishes in the great lakes region for my IPA and Munich Helles
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: tom on April 29, 2010, 06:18:30 AM
Thanks Janis! Here they are:  http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/competitions/national-homebrew-competition

Looks like my American Barleywine is going to Minnesota!
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: tygo on April 29, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
Just out of curiosity:  Why would there only have been 636 entries in the East Region when the cap of 750 was hit?
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: bluesman on April 29, 2010, 02:53:17 PM
Looks like my American Barleywine is going to Minnesota!

+1

My ESB is going to be there too!  8)
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: boulderbrewer on April 29, 2010, 02:58:14 PM
My dort is going!
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: theDarkSide on April 29, 2010, 02:58:31 PM
Just out of curiosity:  Why would there only have been 636 entries in the East Region when the cap of 750 was hit?

The Northeast capped out at 750, not the East.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: tygo on April 29, 2010, 03:00:19 PM
Just out of curiosity:  Why would there only have been 636 entries in the East Region when the cap of 750 was hit?

The Northeast capped out at 750, not the East.

Ah, that makes more sense then.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: babalu87 on April 29, 2010, 03:38:20 PM
Good thing I bottled about half of that Dopplebock before putting it in the keg-o-rator
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: redbeerman on April 29, 2010, 04:19:03 PM
Kudos to all y'all that are advancing.  Didn't have time to enter this year, but next year I plan on making the time.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: enso on April 29, 2010, 04:38:45 PM
Ah well, guess I wasn't ready for the big time yet.   :'(

Now I can look forward to my score sheets to see just how far I am from the big time!   ;)

I notice there was only ONE winner from VT!  That can't be right!  Must be some Southern New England/Mid-Atlantic bias!

 ::)  ;D  :P
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: tankdeer on April 29, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
My Flanders Red took 1st in SW. Yay!
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: mroakley on April 29, 2010, 05:47:38 PM
My Flanders Red took 1st in SW. Yay!

Congrats!
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: a10t2 on April 29, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
I didn't place, but the winner in the category was a 47, so I don't feel too bad. :o
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: johnf on April 29, 2010, 06:53:01 PM
Just out of curiosity:  Why would there only have been 636 entries in the East Region when the cap of 750 was hit?

The Northeast capped out at 750, not the East.

Ah, that makes more sense then.  Thanks.

Easy mistake to make as Gordon Strong is in the East and was personally blamed on this forum for regions maxing out.  ;)
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: tom on April 29, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
Hmmm, maybe everyone in one club should enter in one region? If club members enter in different regions they could get points for first place in the same category. Doesn't seem right.

And, how about if your region is closed, you could enter another region? Or expand the 1st round to 2 days of judging?

Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: dbeechum on April 29, 2010, 09:21:53 PM
A solution was developed a few years back to deal with cross region clubs (specifically "virtual clubs") and is stated in the rules:

"In the First Round, a club may only receive points for a maximum of three awards per category, the
highest three awards shall be counted, not to exceed a 12-point maximum."
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: skyler on April 29, 2010, 09:26:15 PM
I received two sets of scoresheets for one of my entries. I am curious - did it get two rounds of tastings (one of the score sheets says position 4 of 4 and the other says position 5 of 5). Did I get someone else's scoresheet? For the record, it was a Marzen entered in the West region. Also the entry numbers on all of my scoresheets are different from the entry numbers I see on the registration page as belonging to my beers.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: tankdeer on April 29, 2010, 09:27:46 PM
Uh oh. That's not a good sign. You may want to contact the organizer for your region
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: Janis on April 29, 2010, 09:33:32 PM
I received two sets of scoresheets for one of my entries. I am curious - did it get two rounds of tastings (one of the score sheets says position 4 of 4 and the other says position 5 of 5). Did I get someone else's scoresheet? For the record, it was a Marzen entered in the West region. Also the entry numbers on all of my scoresheets are different from the entry numbers I see on the registration page as belonging to my beers.

Hi Skyler,

In most regions the entries are renumbered when they are checked in.  This is why the entry numbers don't match what you thought you had entered. 

Did you only have one entry in the competition?  What are the entry numbers? I can look them up for you.  E-mail is better.

Cheers,
   Janis

Janis Gross
National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator

Janis@brewersassociation.org
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: dantenatas on April 30, 2010, 07:16:06 PM
This was the first time I entered a brewing contest, so I have a newbee question. I entered an Imperial Stout in the Northwest region and scored a 43.5 and on the cover sheet, the box that says "This beer advanced to a mini-BOS round", is checked. In the results for Northwest region, Cat 13, I did not advance, however it lists 43.5 (same score as mine) as the top score for the category. Does this mean there were multiple scores of 43.5 and I just lost out in the BOS round? I'm really bummed that I didn't make it in to the finals.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: dbeechum on April 30, 2010, 07:21:42 PM
Mini-BOSs are always a source of confusion for folks until you see them in action.

Basically what happened: Your category had too many beers for one team of judges so it was split. Each panel scored their beers independently. When they were done they took their best 2 or 3 and met with the other judging teams.

Together they all tasted the beers nominated by each team and selected (regardless of score) the best three beers. Your beer, despite it's 43.5 was not selected in that final process.

Why does it happen that way instead of just using the scores? Largely because judges are variable in their scores. For instance, I'm a tough judge. If I give your beer a 40 it's because I f'ing loved it. So my 32, may be equivalent to someone elses 39. The taste off allows for a way to erase those individual judging quirks.
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: Janis on April 30, 2010, 07:23:23 PM
This was the first time I entered a brewing contest, so I have a newbee question. I entered an Imperial Stout in the Northwest region and scored a 43.5 and on the cover sheet, the box that says "This beer advanced to a mini-BOS round", is checked. In the results for Northwest region, Cat 13, I did not advance, however it lists 43.5 (same score as mine) as the top score for the category. Does this mean there were multiple scores of 43.5 and I just lost out in the BOS round? I'm really bummed that I didn't make it in to the finals.

Hi Dan (?),

Thanks for entering the 2010 National Homebrew Competition!

Category 13 in the Northwest Region had 44 entries, so there were probably 4 flights.  Each flight judges and scores their entries and then pick the top 3 scoring above 30 points to advance to the mini-best of show (BOS).  In the NHC, all beers judged higher than 30 are given a T-stopper to recap the entry for the mini-BOS, and then they are stored until the mini-BOS.  During the mini-BOS, the top judges from the four flights judge the 12 beers (in this case) without looking at scores, and then they place the beers based on their merits as best exemplifying the style.  In some cases, a beer that scored very high during the initial judging, for whatever reason, will not hold up as well for the mini-BOS.  Another possibility is that the judges in your flight were scoring beers higher than the judges in the other flights, so while your beer scored well, it might not have been as good as the top 9 beers from the other flights.  Viewed this way, the mini-BOS acts as a tool to even out the judges biases in categories with a large number of entries.

I know how disappointing this end result must be for you; I had a super high-scoring mead that didn’t place in one competition.  On the one hand, I was elated with the score, and on the other it was incredibly frustrating that it didn’t even place.  I’m sure you’re experiencing something very similar.  Sorry for the news.

Cheers,
   Janis

National Homebrew Competition Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org

Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: mroakley on April 30, 2010, 08:22:28 PM
This was the first time I entered a brewing contest, so I have a newbee question. I entered an Imperial Stout in the Northwest region and scored a 43.5 and on the cover sheet, the box that says "This beer advanced to a mini-BOS round", is checked. In the results for Northwest region, Cat 13, I did not advance, however it lists 43.5 (same score as mine) as the top score for the category. Does this mean there were multiple scores of 43.5 and I just lost out in the BOS round? I'm really bummed that I didn't make it in to the finals.

Sorry to hear you didn't make it but congrats on brewing a heck of a beer.  I've had this happen to me four times in the last two years!   :)
Title: Re: Are First Round Results Posted?
Post by: narvin on May 03, 2010, 03:26:18 PM
Congrats to everyone who advanced!

My Saison made it through with a 2nd place, which I'm very pleased about.