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Title: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: flbrewer on November 18, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
Following an extract kit recipe that calls for a secondary hop addition on day 10 for 4 days.

Secondly, they mention to transfer to secondary (which I'm not doing) for another 1-2 weeks followed by another hop addition 4 days before bottling.

My question is that I really don't want to wait 3 weeks to bottle. I'm going to start taking measurements shortly as the beer fermenting very quickly. Any thoughts on a faster secondary hop schedule?
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: dmtaylor on November 18, 2014, 12:54:13 PM
Just add all the dry hops at once for 4 days and call it done.  There's seriously no advantage to making it any more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: flbrewer on November 18, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
If you're wrong, will you buy me another kit  ;D
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: dmtaylor on November 18, 2014, 01:05:28 PM
No but I'll design you a recipe of whatever style you like.  :)
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: Stevie on November 18, 2014, 01:31:03 PM
I think staggered dry hop additions is a solid technique. Typically I add both to primary. I do it this way out of laziness. If I didn't hate cleaning so much, I would rack to a second fermenter for the second addition. I also tend to cut the time in about half, partially out of impatience, but also because I use pellets and find they do their thing fast enough.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: flbrewer on November 23, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
Just noticed the instructions for this kit mention to add the secondary hops when "fermentation slows or ends". Which is it?
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: Stevie on November 23, 2014, 07:54:40 PM

Just noticed the instructions for this kit mention to add the secondary hops when "fermentation slows or ends". Which is it?
I add when fermentation is visibly done. I don't normally measure the gravity at this point. If I were to transfer, I'd be sure fermentation is finished by measuring.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: flbrewer on November 23, 2014, 08:55:16 PM
OK, I believe gravity is almost nearing FG. I'm thinking about dumping the first round of dry hop additions today (day 7). Letting this sit for 4 days followed by the second dry hop addition for another 4 days.

Sound kosher?
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: Stevie on November 23, 2014, 09:26:43 PM
Maybe wait another few days. Day 7 is a bit early IMO. Another thing to consider is packaging timing. You want to make sure you will have time to package on the day you intend to. I always time my dry hops so I would package on a Saturday with Sunday being a backup if I get busy.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: a10t2 on November 24, 2014, 04:35:41 PM
Ideally, I would add dry hops at ~0.5°P above FG, so that there's still active yeast ready to scrub out the O2. Missing that window by a day means the beer's at FG, so I end up doing that more often than not.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: flbrewer on November 24, 2014, 05:40:40 PM
Well I really have no clue what the FG should be. I just keep testing every few days. How would I know?
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: morticaixavier on November 24, 2014, 06:57:51 PM
Well I really have no clue what the FG should be. I just keep testing every few days. How would I know?

mostly it's just something you start to get a feel for. but you can take a small sample of your wort (< 1 liter) and pitch a lot of yeast into it, shake it every couple hours and keep it in the mid 70's and that will ferment out as far as it's possible for that yeast to ferment that wort in a couple days. you can then test the final gravity of that sample and you will have a good idea of the expected final gravity of the full batch. google 'Forced Ferment Test' or 'Fast Ferment Test' for more details
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: a10t2 on November 24, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
Well I really have no clue what the FG should be. I just keep testing every few days. How would I know?

If it's a yeast strain you have some experience with, your estimate should be good enough for these purposes. Otherwise, just monitor gravity; it should be obvious when it's starting to level off. You pretty much have to check daily once it starts getting close, though.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: Joe Sr. on November 24, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
Well I really have no clue what the FG should be. I just keep testing every few days. How would I know?

mostly it's just something you start to get a feel for.

This is true for final gravity, dry hopping, oaking, etc.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: flbrewer on November 24, 2014, 09:02:15 PM
OK, well you can all be rest assured that the deed is done. The hop pellets are now happily swimming around in my (hopefully) delicious brew. Thanks again for the continued guidance here!
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: morticaixavier on November 24, 2014, 09:26:34 PM
OK, well you can all be rest assured that the deed is done. The hop pellets are now happily swimming around in my (hopefully) delicious brew. Thanks again for the continued guidance here!

it will be lovely. no worries.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: fmader on November 24, 2014, 09:43:10 PM
OK, well you can all be rest assured that the deed is done. The hop pellets are now happily swimming around in my (hopefully) delicious brew. Thanks again for the continued guidance here!

You have a beer that is dry hopped... Of course it will be delicious!
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 24, 2014, 10:34:53 PM

This is true for final gravity, dry hopping, oaking, etc.

Yep, agreed.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: erockrph on November 24, 2014, 11:03:12 PM
Just to interject another viewpoint, I've added dry hops as early as day 5 while the krausen was still pretty thick and I was still quite happy with the end result. There is no right way to dry hop. Ask 5 brewers how to dry hop and you'll get a dozen answers if you hang around long enough. Most of them will work just fine.
Title: Re: Secondary Hop Additions
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 24, 2014, 11:26:51 PM
Lots of ways to get hop character in your beer. The important thing is to take detailed notes on what you did, when, what temp, how much, how long, what varieties. Then the fun begins because you can reference your notes next time and begin to experiment to really find out what YOU like and prefer.