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Title: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: denny on November 21, 2014, 07:24:29 PM
I'd like to hear some thoughts on this...what makes a person a Homebrew All Star?  Is it winning awards?  Is it somebody you've heard of or is it somebody who has great ideas whether you've ever heard of them or not?  What  makes a person an All Star?  What's an All Star idea?  And who do you consider to be Homebrew All Stars?
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 21, 2014, 08:06:15 PM
I think anyone who has dedicated themselves to the point that they make beer at home consistently of a commercial level is a homebrewing All Star of sorts.
But the REAL All Stars IMO are the people who took their knowledge and helped brewers on a big scale. People that act as ambassadors , even cheerleaders , for the hobby. The first for me and a lot of people (even though some of the info is a bit dated now) was/is  Charlie P.  His contributions to homebrewing, BA, GABF, etc. are gigantic.  And another is you, Denny. We both know the spotty info that was around for awhile on AG brewing. You cut through the BS for a lot of brewers with Cheap n Easy AG, the same way Charlie did by encouraging people to try brewing in the first place. I would venture a guess that there'd be a lot more 'extract with steeping grains' brewers if not for somebody presenting AG as a cheap, easy alternative to better beer. Lastly, Martin has been huge in helping AG brewers dial in their pH - I never realized how much of a difference good pH made until I got it right consistently, on different styles, and not just the beers my water happened to be suited for. 
There are lots of other All Stars out there, but those are the three that came to mind first.

EDIT  -  I've gotta add Major. He made the jump to pro brewer, is excelling there by all accounts, and makes time to be a mod here and pass on his wealth of info.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: pete b on November 21, 2014, 08:23:57 PM
Because I don't enter comps, am not in a club, and don't live in an area that's a real hotbed for homebrewers the first thing that comes to mind are those who taught lots of others. Papazian, Noonan, Palmer etc.
But I bet for those in more of a community with large clubs there are local heroes. It could be someone no one knows who is knowledgeable and generous enough to teach friends.
Right now my homebrew heroes are the regular posters on this forum who have been passionate for a long time and our consistently putting out good info for us and responding so specifically. Of course that includes Denny and Martin but let's not forget those who are not writing books or software but just sharing their passion: hoosierbrew, mortxavier, dmtaylor, s.cerivisae, erock, steve in tx to name but a few who have helped me.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: jtoots on November 21, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Bravo to Pete.  I'd agree in short:
A homebrew allstar is someone who inspires and shares knowledge with others.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: jimmykx250 on November 21, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
Bravo to Pete.  I'd agree in short:
A homebrew allstar is someone who inspires and shares knowledge with others.

I agree with the above as well. A lot of quality people on this forum sharing good advice just for the love of the craft and to see others advance their brewing capability's.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: Jimmy K on November 21, 2014, 09:22:25 PM
Great. Now my fantasy cheerleaders all look like Denny. Thanks.

I agree with the quality and contribution idea above. Doesn't have to be someone with national appeal, could be someone working locally in a club or a shop. I would bet that if given to someone that already has a lot of attention, like Gordon Strong, people are likely to yawn and move on because there is nothing new here.

Competitions certainly could attest to the quality aspect, but that shouldn't be the only way.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: braufessor on November 21, 2014, 09:29:48 PM
I agree with the sentiment of others.  Of course a brewer needs to make consistently good beer and have sound knowledge...... but, ultimately I think it comes down to sharing that knowledge with others.  All the folks who are not only good brewers but teach others, answer the same questions (patiently) over and over and help to make everyone else a better brewer too - that is what I would consider an "all star."  I have always enjoyed that about the hobby - most people will go so far out of their way to help you, answer questions, direct you in some way to improve...... For me, that is the primary criteria - enthusiastic sharing of good information that leads to better beer for all.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: Slowbrew on November 21, 2014, 09:40:30 PM
I think anyone who is "that person I call when I'm don't know ..." is an all-star to that one person.  Hopefully we have all been that type of person (or will be at some point) for the people we have helped get started.

More generally, I agree with the comments others have given already.  If the intent is to publicly recognize folks I would prefer it go to folks that work "on the ground" or 1 on 1 more so than to folks like Gordon, Jamal or other big name folks.  They have done a lot of good promoting the hobby and have received a lot of recognition over years. 

I don't know to make this sound constructive so I'll just say it straight out.  Another award that goes to the same folks who have already received every other award would kind of send a poor message to new folks.  I would look for a more grass roots based (passionate stories about individuals who were lifted up by the guy next door type of thing) selection process.  No ill will intended I swear.  8^)

YMMV

Paul
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: fmader on November 21, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Denny.... You're a Homebrew Rock Star!!!

I agree with above posts. I've learned 80% of what I know about brewing from people right here on this forum. 80% will continue to go up as I continue to learn here. I try to pay what knowledge I have gained from the all stars forward as much as I can.

I don't think it has anything to do with ribbons or medals. It's about being an ambassador of the hobby.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: dannyjed on November 21, 2014, 10:44:48 PM
I agree with the previous comments. I've had the pleasure of meeting in person some "Homebrew All Stars" in the past year - Denny Conn, Drew Beechum, Randy Mosher, and Jeff Rankert.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 21, 2014, 11:02:25 PM
Great. Now my fantasy cheerleaders all look like Denny. Thanks.


Yeah, I got that visual right after posting.  It makes sense................. figuratively. :D


One more thing -  I completely agree with the posts that the people who are here regularly and patiently post the same good info to new brewers, as well as sharing excellent info with more experienced brewers are no doubt All Stars. We all make each other better in some way, big or small. I'm grateful for it.

Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on November 21, 2014, 11:37:11 PM
great thread. first and foremost, to me the definition of an all star brewer: someone who is passionate about something so primitive, yet so sophisticated at the same time.

This hobby we all have fallen in love with, has so many unique flavors and individual twists that make every brewing session like the very first love you had. A true all star realizes that while they may have a great deal of brewing knowledge, there is likely something to be learned from the newest of brewers. Sometimes the "nubes" are so ramped up with unbridled passion, they stumble across the unthinkable and show all of us why we love this craft. The all star is humble, and never judges or criticizes- instead they offer experience and perspective, while instilling in the "nube" that they should seek truth and answers in the most obvious of places..their own experiences. Being an all star isn't about medals, public accolades, or being complacent with ones perception of their brewing practices. Its remembering where we come from, that we all started blindly, and that we have a lifetime to learn and to coach others along the journey to excellence.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: klickitat jim on November 22, 2014, 12:07:16 AM
I'd like to hear some thoughts on this...what makes a person a Homebrew All Star?  Is it winning awards?  Is it somebody you've heard of or is it somebody who has great ideas whether you've ever heard of them or not?  What  makes a person an All Star?  What's an All Star idea?  And who do you consider to be Homebrew All Stars?
All Star is an adjective to a plural, such as All Star Team or All Star Cast. So, what makes a person an All Star is a team, group, cast, or forum of others who are equally Stars.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: davidgzach on November 22, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
Love of the craft, doing it well, teaching others and being happy when your pupils teach you.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: mchrispen on November 22, 2014, 04:23:25 PM
Not sure what else to add that hasn't already been said.


But to echo... they are the brewers, pro or am, that have opened up their worlds to allow other to participate. They share, often to the detriment of their time and/or profession, to move the craft forward in tangible ways. This can be through helping people brew, great advice, sometimes brutally honest feedback, book writing, blogs, and I think most importantly, service in a club or organization like AHA.


So besides my very obvious heroes - many from this site, two local homebrewers stand out. One brews with me, co-miserates on scores or bad brews and also volunteers to run events like NHC judging, pushing me out of my comfort zone to judge or try new things. His dedication is catching - another good friend is using his brewing to raise funds for charity - and pushing events to sponsor charitable causes. << - - This to my mind sets these guys slightly higher. They really pay it forward.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: Alewyfe on November 22, 2014, 04:38:10 PM
These responses absolutely punctuate why I love homebrewing and the people who are members of the homebrew community.

The hobby is so satisfying because you all engage and interact.

We look up to and admire and are grateful for some very innovative people who have accomplished much and laid the path for our own brewing successes, but we consider them our Beer Yodas. The moniker All Star just doesn't seem to fit those we admire among the ranks of homebrewers.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: denny on November 22, 2014, 05:39:07 PM
Thanks for all the responses and keep 'em coming...you never know...it just might turn into a book!  ;)
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: mabrungard on November 23, 2014, 03:06:23 AM
I've known several homebrew all-stars. People that are tireless promoters of the hobby that go out of their way to enhance the hobby for others. I've got one in my club here in Indy and I had one in my club in Tallahassee. They make brewing better. They are All-Stars!  You probably have one in your area too. Thank them.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: Joe T on November 24, 2014, 04:09:32 AM
I'll chime in on this love fest.
Here's a definition of All Star gleaned from Wikipedia : "All-star (also All-Star) is a term designating an individual as having a high level of performance in their field. Originating in sports, it has since drifted into vernacular and been borrowed heavily by the entertainment industry. It can also be used for a group of individuals, who are popular in certain areas."
So a homebrew All Star consistently makes great beer and is known for it. To be known for it, one must: brew and share a lot; consistently do well in contests; and/or tirelessly share knowledge enough to help many people improve their brewing.
Using this criteria, I can say that I know of many brewers who are all stars on the local, regional, national, and global levels.
Homebrewing, compared to other hobbies, seems to be rather rich with the passionate, sharing-type All Stars at a level that seems to advance the hobby at a blistering pace. If all hobbies and political interests were so blessed with these types, we'd surely have world peace and we'd be sending model rockets to the moon! We'd be curing cancer and knitting a scarf around the world! All in the name of great beer. Go figure!
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: beersk on November 24, 2014, 05:20:53 AM
I think a homebrewing All Star is not just someone who brews good/great beer, but someone you respect, someone who is passionate, shares their knowledge, and also respects others as brewers and what they have to contribute to homebrewing.

And I doubt Denny started this thread phishing for compliments. I don't think it's really necessary to name names here.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: AnimALE on November 24, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
I think what makes a homebrew all star is a combination of things..For one being well known and respected by the homebrew community..always contributing to the homebrew community..brewing killer homebrew, having your own yeast being sold by wyeast ;)( yes Denny you are an all star) helping other brewers get better, Mostly i think its about being well know and respected and experienced..I think john palmer, Denny conn, Jamil zainisheff are perfect examples of homebrew All stars.
Title: Re: Homebrew All Stars
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 24, 2014, 07:25:20 PM
All good comments - if I can add to the definition, it would also be the homebrewer that consistently dials in one or more factors in the brewing process to pass on to others a way to improve their results, while at the same time appropriately pushing the envelope of style to give others a new twist on any given style.  Things like Skotrat's Traquoir House reduction of first runnings, rye IPA's, Brett based adaptation of certain styles (believe it or not a Koelsch with all Brett or a beet based Koelsch - I never would have thought of those!), the list is nearly endless.  I can lay claim to no such innovation originating with me, but I highly admire those who pave the way in such things...and it makes me step back and think if there is something I can add at some point to improve a process, dial in a style, create a twist or create a new knowledge point at the rim of brewing understanding.  I hope so, but if not, it is fun trying!