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Title: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on December 29, 2014, 09:36:36 am
For those interested...

Hello Chris,
 
Thank you for contacting Fermentis.
 
We are currently in the process of releasing both of those strains in the 11.5g sachets.  The first to be released will be the K-97 and in a few months we will be releasing the S-189 (we are working on the packaging and SKUs).  We will also be introducing Safcider in a home size sachet (most likely a 5g) for home cider making.
 
I am not sure what the expected dates are for the release, but they will be in 2015 some time.  Please be on the look out for the new home brewing and cider making strains.
 
Thank you
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: denny on December 29, 2014, 11:36:26 am
Great news!  I LOVE S-189!
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on December 29, 2014, 02:23:17 pm
Great news!  I LOVE S-189!

Is there a wlp/wy equivalent? What styles is it good for?
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: AmandaK on December 29, 2014, 02:25:43 pm
Great news!  I LOVE S-189!

What do you use S-189 for? I mean, obviously lagers, but what styles is it suited best to?
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: denny on December 29, 2014, 02:46:37 pm
Great news!  I LOVE S-189!
What do you use S-189 for? I mean, obviously lagers, but what styles is it suited best to?


Malty stuff, like dunkel, bock, and maibock.  But it makes a pretty good German pils, too!
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 29, 2014, 02:58:31 pm
Sounds great. I'd like to try it.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: majorvices on December 29, 2014, 03:37:28 pm
Great news!  I LOVE S-189!
What do you use S-189 for? I mean, obviously lagers, but what styles is it suited best to?


Malty stuff, like dunkel, bock, and maibock.  But it makes a pretty good German pils, too!

Yes, it's a great all around lager strain. It ferments great at cold temps, 48-50, unlike some  dry lager strains which seem to work better at warmer temps. very clean, very low diacetyl producer and drops bright.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: beersk on December 29, 2014, 06:11:48 pm
That's good. I know that Atlantic Brewing Supply has S-189, I hope other homebrew shops get it. I like Saflager 34/70 as well. Will be good to have more options for dry yeast.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: tommymorris on December 29, 2014, 08:40:16 pm
What about K-97? What beer styles is it good for?
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: S. cerevisiae on December 29, 2014, 09:42:41 pm
S-189 is the Samichlaus (Santa Claus) yeast strain.  The strain was developed by Albert Hürlimann.  It can handle big lagers.  S-189 is WLP885 in dry form.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on December 29, 2014, 09:48:03 pm
What about K-97? What beer styles is it good for?

I believe this is a German ale strain that is great for altbier. I hope it is good for kolsch too but assume it may not be as appropriate for both. Others with have to chime in with more information...
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: dmtaylor on December 30, 2014, 07:58:46 am
What about K-97? What beer styles is it good for?

I haven't tried it yet but my notes (based on recent review of many interwebs reviews) say it's nearly equivalent to Wyeast 1007 altbier yeast but perhaps accentuates the malt flavor even more than 1007.  Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: denny on December 30, 2014, 10:29:17 am
What about K-97? What beer styles is it good for?

Haven't used it, but my understanding is that it's meant for alt.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: erockrph on December 30, 2014, 12:05:14 pm
Does anyone have enough experience with both S-189 and 34/70 to compare the two? Is one better for fuller, maltier styles or for crisp, dry styles?
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: denny on December 30, 2014, 12:34:51 pm
Does anyone have enough experience with both S-189 and 34/70 to compare the two? Is one better for fuller, maltier styles or for crisp, dry styles?

Yep.  S-189 for the maltier stuff, 34/70 for drier stuff.  But it's not a hard line...either can be used either way.  It's more that each has qualities that will enhance a certain style, but not make it unsuitable for another style.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: majorvices on December 30, 2014, 01:49:56 pm
I was doing some experiments with S-189 about a year ago and found it tended to finish a touch higher than my standard lager yeast at the same dough in temp. To achieve the same attenuation with S-189 (and the dryness I liked in my lagers) I needed to mash a little lower and a little longer.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Steve Ruch on December 30, 2014, 05:38:29 pm
Great news!  I LOVE S-189!
Me too. I recently bought five packs from Atlantic Brew Supply. Having it show up in home brew sizes at my local would be very nice.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Steve Ruch on December 30, 2014, 05:41:30 pm
Does anyone have enough experience with both S-189 and 34/70 to compare the two? Is one better for fuller, maltier styles or for crisp, dry styles?
Last winter I brewed a pilsner with the 34/70 and got 84% attenuation, and a marzen with the S-189 and got 78% attenuation. Both turned out real good and I will be using both again.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on December 31, 2014, 09:44:11 am
Doing my first lager with 34/70 as we speak. It is a dark lager very similar to a schwarzbier. Luckily it is 6F outside right now so I shouldn't have any issues getting ferment temp down. Probably going to run it around 55F.

From the sounds of it, I would prefer this to 189 for most styles. I am excited to give the K97 a shot for various styles...
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: unmaltedcheese on December 14, 2015, 11:52:28 am
So a follow up to this thread...and a year later they still have not released these yeasts for retail sale. It's puzzling to me as they're already being produced in 500g sachets, so I'm not sure what the delay is all about.

Are these being produced in 11.5g sachets, or is just the repacked 500g packs all that's available? I cannot find them anywhere. 
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: stpug on December 14, 2015, 12:02:17 pm
So a follow up to this thread...and a year later they still have not released these yeasts for retail sale. It's puzzling to me as they're already being produced in 500g sachets, so I'm not sure what the delay is all about.

Are these being produced in 11.5g sachets, or is just the repacked 500g packs all that's available? I cannot find them anywhere.

My LHBS has both on their shelves in 11.5g sachets - I have K97 in my fridge as I type. They have definitely been released, but just barely.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on December 14, 2015, 01:50:25 pm
I was notified by a retailer last week that they would be stocking them. Yakima Valley hops has told me they should be available through them shortly as well. Just starting to pop up...
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Steve Ruch on December 14, 2015, 04:32:25 pm
I just ordered both from Atlantic Brew Supply.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: PORTERHAUS on January 05, 2016, 02:12:52 pm
Austin Homebrew has both of these in 11.5 g packets. I came across them just browsing. Its very exciting to see more and more dry yeasts available. I have tried a few but the only lager strain I have used a lot and come to know is the Bohemian Lager in both liquid and dry. Mangrove Jacks Bohemian lager was pretty good bith for lager and used at ale temps. Is 34/70 the Bohemian Lager as well?

I love the Bohemian Lager but looking for something a little different I am thinking about trying the S-189. And theK-97...that opens up some styles I have yet to try. I have heard good things about both.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on January 06, 2016, 07:16:35 am
Austin Homebrew has both of these in 11.5 g packets. I came across them just browsing. Its very exciting to see more and more dry yeasts available. I have tried a few but the only lager strain I have used a lot and come to know is the Bohemian Lager in both liquid and dry. Mangrove Jacks Bohemian lager was pretty good bith for lager and used at ale temps. Is 34/70 the Bohemian Lager as well?

I love the Bohemian Lager but looking for something a little different I am thinking about trying the S-189. And theK-97...that opens up some styles I have yet to try. I have heard good things about both.

From what I remember, 34/70 is the same strain as WY2124 and WLP830. It's the only lager yeast I have used with my limited experience and like it a lot. I have not been able to discern much of a difference between US05 and K97 other than flocculation but that may have a lot to do with what styles I have used it in.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: beersk on January 06, 2016, 12:11:35 pm
Farmhouse Brewing Supply has S-189 in stock now as well. That was a pleasant surprise when I was browsing the other day. I will be giving this yeast a go here soon.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on January 06, 2016, 02:07:30 pm
Farmhouse Brewing Supply has S-189 in stock now as well. That was a pleasant surprise when I was browsing the other day. I will be giving this yeast a go here soon.

Seems that most places are stocking these now. S-189 is the most expensive yeast I have seen with some retailers selling it for over $6 per sachet.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: beersk on January 06, 2016, 02:09:45 pm
Farmhouse Brewing Supply has S-189 in stock now as well. That was a pleasant surprise when I was browsing the other day. I will be giving this yeast a go here soon.

Seems that most places are stocking these now. S-189 is the most expensive yeast I have seen with some retailers selling it for over $6 per sachet.
I know, it's insane! It's almost not worth it to get dry yeast for the convenience anymore.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: The Beerery on January 07, 2016, 09:04:29 am
I just can't get a dry lager yeast to give me the save flavors of a nice german strain (833,838, 2206, etc).  I have tried them all.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Frankenbrew on January 08, 2016, 03:46:53 pm
Farmhouse Brewing Supply has S-189 in stock now as well. That was a pleasant surprise when I was browsing the other day. I will be giving this yeast a go here soon.

Seems that most places are stocking these now. S-189 is the most expensive yeast I have seen with some retailers selling it for over $6 per sachet.
I know, it's insane! It's almost not worth it to get dry yeast for the convenience anymore.

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Well, convenience and price are two different things. Remember that with a dry yeast you are getting a pitchable quantity. Also, you are getting longer shelf life. Then, you are getting the convenience of using it at a moment's notice, no starter. If you are buying online, dry yeast tolerates shipping better.

As far as price goes, if both dry and liquid are the same price, I would suggest that you're getting more for your buck with the dry yeast.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Frankenbrew on January 09, 2016, 06:44:53 am
I just ordered a couple of packets of each from AIH. Yes, the 189 was expensive, but I've heard (from Denny) that it is good, so it's probably worth it. And the shipping was only $2.99.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: PORTERHAUS on January 09, 2016, 06:53:42 am
I just ordered a couple of packets of each from AIH. Yes, the 189 was expensive, but I've heard (from Denny) that it is good, so it's probably worth it. And the shipping was only $2.99.

I think i will be doing the same and place an order with Austin Homebrew because they also have the Muntons Gold yeast and I would like to try that since it is said to be similar to the Fullers strain.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 09, 2016, 10:03:04 am
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Seems that most places are stocking these now. S-189 is the most expensive yeast I have seen with some retailers selling it for over $6 per sachet.
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I got some because I have a recipe I want to brew that was formulated for this yeast, but in future I will probably stick more with the 34/70.
I also got some K-97 at a much lower price.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: erockrph on January 11, 2016, 03:00:54 pm
I thought of this thread this morning. My LHBS just got K97 and S189 so I bought a couple packs of each. The S189 rang up at $59.99 instead of $5.99 and I was like "yeah, I heard that this stuff was expensive for dry yeast..."

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Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 11, 2016, 04:09:58 pm
S-189 is listed at $3.99 in the latest William's catalogue. If you ordered a bunch (4 or more) you'd save enough to cover their flat rate shipping of $6.99.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: beersk on January 11, 2016, 04:24:17 pm
Farmhouse has K-97 now for $3.39 a sachet. That's pretty decent, would like to try it. It's good to have more dry options for the summer months.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: Iliff Ave on January 13, 2016, 08:47:53 am
Williams Brewing has S-189 for $4.99 which is the cheapest I have seen yet. K97 is $3.49. I used to use them a lot before YVH was recommended to me. From now on I think I will just get hops from YVH and dry yeast and other miscellaneous small stuff from Williams.
Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: coolman26 on January 18, 2016, 08:01:22 am
Dry lager yeast is a great bang for the $. Especially when your growing liquid to a 15-20 gallon pitch. I'll be trying S-189 and splitting with liquid to compare.


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Title: Re: K97 & S189
Post by: PORTERHAUS on January 20, 2016, 07:48:20 pm
I passed on the S-189 since im not doing any lagers anytime soon. I did pick up some of the M-97 for an Altbier and maybe to try in a Kolsch. I ordered from Austin Homebrew and I also picked up some Muntons Gold since I have heard some good things about it.