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Title: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: HobsonDrake on January 05, 2015, 11:48:03 PM
So I am out of a job. Layoff notice was unexpected. But I have a severance to keep me going for a little bit.

But I was thinking that now that I have some days open I would like to "work" in a brewery. Not full time mind you, just to get a feel for it. I would be able to learn some stuff that would support my home brewing knowledge.

I will have to get a "real" job that will pay the bills and I know a rookie won't make but maybe minimum wage. And that will not pay the mortgage or the utilities for that matter.

So for all you pros out there, how should I approach this? Just walk into a place and say put me to work for one or two weeks? What you you say if I came up to you and asked you that?
 
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: JT on January 05, 2015, 11:52:35 PM
I'm not a pro brewer, but the time they would have to invest in training you would likely not make it a worthwhile investment for them. 
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: klickitat jim on January 06, 2015, 12:57:25 AM
Ya unfortunately its kind of like walking up to a fishing boat in Alaska asking to work part time with a little trout fishing experience. The skipper would call that a liability at best.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: majorvices on January 06, 2015, 01:11:37 AM
Last 3 guys that came in and asked if they could volunteer I ended up hiring after anywhere between 2 days and 3 weeks. It's a great way to get your foot in the door. Especially if you are a good worker.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: JT on January 06, 2015, 01:23:36 AM
I stand corrected.  Also, I'm sorry this happened to you, best of luck in your search. 
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: majorvices on January 06, 2015, 01:31:13 AM
I'm sure every brewery is different so don't stand too corrected. That said, there's usually one thing a small brewery is always short of and that is cheap labor.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: pete b on January 06, 2015, 01:49:10 AM
I just met a guy who got a job in a brewery by making them rubicks cubes with their logo. Now he works their a couple days a week while going to school. So do you want to learn how to scrub equipment?
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: majorvices on January 06, 2015, 01:59:56 AM
The last guy I hired: His main job is building case boxes and six pack holders and putting the six pack holders in the case boxes.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: bluesman on January 06, 2015, 03:46:24 AM
In my experience as a brewery startup there're many folks interested in getting their foot in the door, and I'm finding that this is probably the best way to land a job in a brewery. It certainly can't hurt to try if you have the time.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: yso191 on January 06, 2015, 05:17:40 AM
Last 3 guys that came in and asked if they could volunteer I ended up hiring after anywhere between 2 days and 3 weeks. It's a great way to get your foot in the door. Especially if you are a good worker.

I've asked three local breweries (out of 4) to volunteer doing whatever.  Nothing.  I even showered.   :-\

Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: majorvices on January 06, 2015, 11:02:29 AM
Last 3 guys that came in and asked if they could volunteer I ended up hiring after anywhere between 2 days and 3 weeks. It's a great way to get your foot in the door. Especially if you are a good worker.

I've asked three local breweries (out of 4) to volunteer doing whatever.  Nothing. I even showered.   :-\

Gersh, you probably shaved too. ;)
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on January 06, 2015, 12:46:07 PM
I would consider long term commitment. I would not want to train you and then 3 month down the road you would walk. Also I would pay you a regular pay.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: TMX on January 07, 2015, 05:44:40 AM
Dont forget, there may be insurance issues for the brewery as well.  I am in Colorado Springs and want to look for a spot as an intern, no pay, a day or two a week, but not having the best of luck at the moment
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: majorvices on January 07, 2015, 12:22:08 PM
Dont forget, there may be insurance issues for the brewery as well.  I am in Colorado Springs and want to look for a spot as an intern, no pay, a day or two a week, but not having the best of luck at the moment

Insurance is an issue. I had each of them sign a waiver that we were not responsible for any injuries (and, gosh, there's a million ways to get injured), though I'm not sure it would have really held up in court.

If you do get either hired on as paid of volunteer, expect to do the most mundane tasks. Sweep floors. Build case boxes. Squeegee. Mold patrol. Polish outside of stainless tanks. If your lucky you might even get to run the keg cleaner. Bunt, unless it is a really small fledgling operation, don't expect to get too close to the brew house.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: TMX on January 07, 2015, 01:41:02 PM
I have no expectations of being a free for hire head brewer. I just to see what it takes to brew on that scale. I am 2.5 years from retirement from the Army and a small brew pub is what I want after this is over
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: dcb on January 07, 2015, 03:00:21 PM
My Texan dad used to say (read it reaaal slow for the full effect): "They cain't say yes if you don't ask."
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: duboman on January 07, 2015, 04:44:48 PM
Try to find the newest, smallest brewery that is near you and pop in and offer to help. I know several where I live and they are always posting on social media about their brewing days and packaging days for people to stop by, help and get some beer for their efforts. It's funny but they love brewing and hate shoveling out the mash tun...... :o
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: Frankenbrew on January 08, 2015, 12:18:24 AM
I have no expectations of being a free for hire head brewer. I just to see what it takes to brew on that scale. I am 2.5 years from retirement from the Army and a small brew pub is what I want after this is over
So I am out of a job. Layoff notice was unexpected. But I have a severance to keep me going for a little bit.

But I was thinking that now that I have some days open I would like to "work" in a brewery. Not full time mind you, just to get a feel for it. I would be able to learn some stuff that would support my home brewing knowledge.

I will have to get a "real" job that will pay the bills and I know a rookie won't make but maybe minimum wage. And that will not pay the mortgage or the utilities for that matter.

So for all you pros out there, how should I approach this? Just walk into a place and say put me to work for one or two weeks? What you you say if I came up to you and asked you that?

Good luck, guys!
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: majorvices on January 08, 2015, 02:08:55 AM
Try to find the newest, smallest brewery that is near you and pop in and offer to help. I know several where I live and they are always posting on social media about their brewing days and packaging days for people to stop by, help and get some beer for their efforts. It's funny but they love brewing and hate shoveling out the mash tun...... :o

What he said.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: speed on January 08, 2015, 02:25:34 PM
We just opened a small (10 bbl) brewery and I would love to have somebody clean out the mash tun  :o
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: bluesman on January 15, 2015, 02:02:01 AM
We're opening soon and I'd be happy to bring in some volunteers for cleaning, bottling, etc... Liability is a concern that we'll attempt to mitigate with a waiver of sorts. There's been quite the interest level for volunteer work at our brewery. It's a beautiful thing!
Title: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on January 15, 2015, 11:01:02 PM
We're opening soon and I'd be happy to bring in some volunteers for cleaning, bottling, etc... Liability is a concern that we'll attempt to mitigate with a waiver of sorts. There's been quite the interest level for volunteer work at our brewery. It's a beautiful thing!
You should have workmans comp insurance even with volunteers.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: a10t2 on January 16, 2015, 03:03:19 AM
I'm sure every brewery is different so don't stand too corrected. That said, there's usually one thing a small brewery is always short of and that is cheap labor.

I think the difference is knowing in advance that he's only planning on volunteering for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Newly unemployed and want to brew
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 24, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
A couple of lay offs ago I approached a brewpub to do this. The brewer said okay, but wouldn't you know it after months of no luck job hunting the very next day I got a new job and had to forego working at the brewpub,