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Title: The Wheel of Time
Post by: narcout on November 11, 2009, 08:21:38 PM
Well, after four years and the passing away of Robert Jordan, the new Wheel of Time book came out a few weeks ago. Anybody reading it?

Please don't post any spoilers, I just ordered it yesterday...
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: denny on November 11, 2009, 08:28:17 PM
After several years of off again, on again reading, I'm about halfway through book 6.  I've got a way to go before I'm ready for the last one.  Actually, I heard the "last" book is actually gonna be 2 or 3 books.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: Robert on November 11, 2009, 08:54:05 PM
Where would y'all rank this series with Lord of the Rings? I've read LOTR every year for about 10 years now. I've been looking for another series to try out.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: denny on November 11, 2009, 09:00:51 PM
In some ways there's a lot of the "mythology" and general story line of LOTR and a lot of other fantasy books I've read.  I'd say WOT is definitely more sprawling, with more characters and story lines to follow.  I think in general the character development is good....at least it keeps me coming back.  The story seems to be more slow moving, but there are plenty of action moments.  I found it to be a great time killer after my heart attack, when all I could do was sit on the couch and read for hours at a time.  Highly recommended flor winter reading beside the wood stove.....oh, wait, you're in TX...OK, by the air conditioner!  ;)
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: dimik on November 11, 2009, 09:23:24 PM
I'm actually reading "The Gathering Storm" right now.
So far, so good. Much better than books 6-11, which were just painfully dull and empty.
The writing style changed with the author, but characters and story lines remain. Oh, and he doesn't describe clothing on each person for 5 pages like Jordan did :)
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: akr71 on November 11, 2009, 11:50:15 PM
Science Fiction and Fantasy is my thing when it comes to reading, but for some reason I've never found the time for this series.  I'm well aware of it - several friends in the past raved about it and I worked in a bookstore during college.  Maybe it was the size of each volume, or just the number of them - anything more than 6 six books and you've probably lost me.  I also have a lot less time to read nowdays, with a young family.  I can barely get BYO finished before the next issue arrives.

Maybe someday, it will make it into the rotation...
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: denny on November 11, 2009, 11:52:13 PM
I bought it specifically because it was 12+ volumes of around 1K pages each.  I figured that I wouldn't have to wonder about what to read for a long time!
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: jds on November 12, 2009, 12:08:05 AM
I do love my SF reading (that's 'speculative fiction', folks, and includes fantasy, science fiction, and alternate history / historical fiction), but I was never able to relly get into Jordan. Different strokes, I suppose.

Now, George R.R. Martin and SM Stirling, on the other hand, have a way of keeping me waiting with great anticipation for YEARS for the next installment.

(currently listening to Pournelle/Niven's  Lucifer's Hammer in the car while commuting)
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: dimik on November 12, 2009, 02:16:30 AM
Wheel of Time books 1-5 are so engaging, it's unbelievable. Once I started reading, it was almost as addicting as homebrewing.
Books 6-11... the best use for them is in bathroom... when you're out of toilet paper. That's my opinion, at least.
12 - so far so good, as I said before.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: brookspn on November 12, 2009, 02:52:20 AM
I started reading the WoT back in about 2000.  They were so engaging.  The characters were deep, the story fresh, and the world was fleshed out and brought to life in a way that many SF/Fantasy authors fail to do.  Then Robert Jordan, God rest his soul, realized that his books were all best sellers and that with every passing volume the size of his bank account grew by exponential numbers.  It was 'round about book 6, Lord of Chaos, that he started spending colossal amounts of time describing the events of characters that did not have any relevance to the story.  Then around book 7 and 8 he started spending several pages describing the inlay on someones boot, or the floral pattern on someone's shawl, or they way someone mouth was set just so--as if he had forgotten that we, the constant reader, had an ability to visualize what people looked like, how they were dressed, and what their expressions would be given a certain situation.  That all culminated in book 10, the Crossroad of Twilight, the entirety of which is spent describing the clothes, facial expressions, and general attitudes of characters we did not care about and had little or no bearing on the story.  Not to mention that not a goddamn thing happens ( I would strongly recommend reading a summary of book 10 on wikipedia or some such, because the time you will spend agonizing over the 850 page volume could be spent doing something much more engrossing and worth while...like home brewing!)  I'm in book 11 now and so far things have taken a turn for the better.  I hope it carries through into the final volume.  Mr. Jordan left Sanderson a mess, with plots and sub-plots (and sub-sub-plots), and I hope he's up to the challenge.  I would hate to have wasted 10 years of my life for a lousy ending.

Read The Song of Ice and Fire.  Now those books are phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: tesla_hv on November 12, 2009, 03:04:20 AM
I've been looking for another book series to read and this sounds like a good one.  Perhaps I should start with books 1-5 and call it a day.  Like many other series, the first books in the series are the best such as the "Mission Earth" series and the Patrick O'Brien "Master and Commander" series.  Both of those turned into painfully, mind-numbing boring books.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: brookspn on November 12, 2009, 03:16:23 AM
If you're going to read the series, I would say buckle down and read it all.  There will be times when you wonder why you're doing it...but persevere.  This thing is going to end and when it does, you'll be glad you read it.  I may complain about the books a lot ( I think I had a smart alec think to say every couple of pages during book 10) but I'll be glad to say I completed it.

For a fun thing though, I saw this on Amazon.

The Wheel of Time drinking game:

Are you reading about a character that has no bearing on the story?  Take a drink
Do you know what color the embroidery is on a character's shirt?  Take a drink
Did someone twitch their shawl?  Take 2 drinks

Although this may be a bad idea.  You'd be permanently pissed and never make it though any book beyond book 7!
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: weazletoe on November 12, 2009, 03:20:27 AM
 If you are looking for a good series, DO NOT pass up Lonesome Dove. This is the series that actually got me reading. Seriously.


    I just got done with "Wild Fire", by Nelson DeMille. Pretty good read, and right now I am halfway thorough Tsar, by Ted Bell.  I've got 3 more lined up after that. Been on a roll lately. I hit the discount stores, and snag the overstocks for 2 &  3 bucks. Beats 25-30 at Boarders. 
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: tesla_hv on November 12, 2009, 03:50:53 AM
I've read the first two Lonesome Dove books.  Are there more?  That miniseries is my favorite of all time.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: weazletoe on November 12, 2009, 03:56:54 AM
Lonesome Dove, Comanche Moon, Dead Man's Walk, and Streets of Laredo. In that order IIRC.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: dimik on November 12, 2009, 05:18:18 AM
If you like Fantasy and humor/satire, read Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels.
You'll wet yourself with laughter as well as interesting storylines.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: tubercle on November 12, 2009, 12:42:24 PM
I've got the entire Louis L'Amour paperback series I inherited from my dad. I think they are called the Frontier series. Must be about 75 of them. I need to get started ::)
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: akr71 on November 12, 2009, 12:54:21 PM
David Eddings 'The Belgariad' and 'The Malloreon' are a great series.  I consider it one series because they have the same characters and same general story arc.  Each one has 5 books in the series - the first time I read them, I burned through all ten in a row and was left wanting more and relieved it was over.  I think that's what may have turned me sour on series that have more than 6 books, unless each book can stand by itself (like Piers Anthony's Xanth series).

I'll have to re-visit The Belgariad soon, my wife has read all 10 at least twice since I introduced them to her.  I haven't re-read them in about 15 years.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: jds on November 12, 2009, 02:45:50 PM
David Eddings 'The Belgariad' and 'The Malloreon' are a great series.  I consider it one series because they have the same characters and same general story arc.  Each one has 5 books in the series - the first time I read them, I burned through all ten in a row and was left wanting more and relieved it was over.  I think that's what may have turned me sour on series that have more than 6 books, unless each book can stand by itself (like Piers Anthony's Xanth series).

I'll have to re-visit The Belgariad soon, my wife has read all 10 at least twice since I introduced them to her.  I haven't re-read them in about 15 years.

Great choice! Even though the Belgariad is 20+ years old, it's still a great choice. I re-read it a few years ago. it was interesting to see how differently I felt about some of the characters now compared to when I was a teenager.

Here are a few more great sf series I've read and enjoyed the hell out of:

Raymond E. Feist's Riftwar Saga (the first book is Magician: Apprentice
Robin Hobb's Liveship Traders (starts with Ship of Magic) and Farseer Trilogy (Assassin's Apprentice)
Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series (Red Mars starts it off)
Jacqueline Carey's Legacy series, which starts with Kushiel's Dart

There's a good six months of reading in that list, if not more.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: akr71 on November 12, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
...
Here are a few more great sf series I've read and enjoyed the hell out of:

Raymond E. Feist's Riftwar Saga (the first book is Magician: Apprentice
Robin Hobb's Liveship Traders (starts with Ship of Magic) and Farseer Trilogy (Assassin's Apprentice)
Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series (Red Mars starts it off)
Jacqueline Carey's Legacy series, which starts with Kushiel's Dart

There's a good six months of reading in that list, if not more.  Enjoy!

I absolutely loved Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series, and not because we share the same last name :D  At times through the second and third books, it gets a little tedious and the plot moves slow but worthwhile when you reach the end.  It seems to be a trend with some of his stuff (Antarctica, Icehenge, The Years of Rice and Salt) - he seems to get bogged down and the plot slows somewhere in the last third to last quarter of the story - IMO anyway.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: blatz on November 12, 2009, 03:20:03 PM
David Eddings 'The Belgariad' and 'The Malloreon' are a great series.  I consider it one series because they have the same characters and same general story arc.  Each one has 5 books in the series - the first time I read them, I burned through all ten in a row and was left wanting more and relieved it was over.  I think that's what may have turned me sour on series that have more than 6 books, unless each book can stand by itself (like Piers Anthony's Xanth series).

I'll have to re-visit The Belgariad soon, my wife has read all 10 at least twice since I introduced them to her.  I haven't re-read them in about 15 years.

+1

I'm personally a Dark Tower fan as well...
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: narcout on November 12, 2009, 05:33:10 PM

Then Robert Jordan, God rest his soul, realized that his books were all best sellers and that with every passing volume the size of his bank account grew by exponential numbers.

I've heard people say that before. Personally, I think he just got more and more ambitious concerning the scope of the story, and things began to spin a bit out of control.

Read The Song of Ice and Fire.  Now those books are phenomenal.

Seriously. 

If you're going to read the series, I would say buckle down and read it all.

Definitely...

I'm personally a Dark Tower fan as well...

Me too. I wouldn't normally consider myself a Stephen King, but that series was amazing.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: dbeechum on November 12, 2009, 06:39:52 PM
I'm not really much of a Sci-Fi/Fantasy fan (more of a mystery dood, myself), but I have been enjoying the following series (one of which is supposedly concluded and the other one is apparently about to)

Old Man's War's by John Scalzi - Think a more modern Starship Troopers with more sophisticated politics behind it. Should be done, there's 4 books in the sereis that I've read - Old Man's War, The Ghost Brigades, The Last Colony, Zoe's Tale. There's also a novella called the The Sagan Diary, but I couldn't bring myself to spend $13 for 100 pages that I'll read in an hour!

The Codex Alera Series by Jim Butcher (Starts with Furies of Calderon) - Imagine a world founded by a lost Roman legion where humans access magic via spirit incarnations called Furies. (What I think is the final book is about to be published in two weeks)

The Dresden Files by Jim Butcher - This is what restarted me looking at Fantasy/Sci-Fi recently. It's a series of books that deal with a modern day wizard in modern day Chicago. He acts like a PI, but gets entangled in the ongoing war between humanity and creatures from the NeverNever including the Fae and the Vampire courts, etc. Lots of fun.

And like I said I'm a big old mystery buff. Lvoe the damn things.

One series I'm working my way through right now is the Beekeeper's Apprentice series by Laurie R. King about a young woman becoming Sherlock Holmes apprentice in the years following his adventures chronicled by Watson.

Also, I find myself constantly returning to Raymond Chandler's works as well as the Travis McGee novels by John D. MacDonald.(Deep Blue Goodbye  is the first of them) - Those novels are direct influences on the whole "Florida" genre of crime writers that exist today.


Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: brookspn on November 12, 2009, 08:01:33 PM
Yeah, the Dark Tower is really great.  Plus, when you think of it, King created a world far more intricate and intriguing than many authors of the style, with several of his books taking place in the Dark Tower universe.  They guy made a mechanic to support the Tower and intertwines it into many of his books (Insomnia, 'Salem's Lot, Heart in Atlantis etc.) to create a tapestry of the world beyond the pages of a single series. 

After reading the Tower and the other books that occur in the same world, I was hard pressed to read anyone else's style of writing.  King is a genius.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: tesla_hv on November 12, 2009, 10:32:44 PM
In my opinion, "The Stand" is King's greatest work followed closely by the short story "The Long Walk" when he published under Bachman.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: brookspn on November 13, 2009, 02:29:37 AM
I just read The Long Walk.  That was awesome.  Crazy story, great character development, perfect ending.  The Stand was also great...oh, Randall Flagg...what an amazing character

If you haven't read the Dark Tower, he plays a huge part in that book.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: tesla_hv on November 13, 2009, 02:33:19 AM
Dark Tower eh?  I might just have to check that one out.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: dimik on November 13, 2009, 03:47:43 AM
Dark Tower is good.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: tygo on November 13, 2009, 03:53:50 AM
The Tower series is possibly one of the greatest fantasy epics I've ever read.  As someone mentioned above it's a lot different from the normal (if you can use that word with him) King novels.  I highly recommend it.

And I'll also concur that The Long Walk was a good read.  I picked that one up only recently after having read a lot of King over the years.  It's disturbing, but his best work is.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: tomthebrewer on November 13, 2009, 01:24:36 PM
Lots of great suggestions on this thread! I've read most of them and I'll add Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series to the mix.

WOT is still my favorite though. That may be because I started reading it in 1993 while in the 6th grade. I'm like Denny, halfway through book 6. I think by the time I get caught up, the whole book 12 trilogy will be out. I think I read that each book will be a year apart.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: blatz on November 13, 2009, 04:16:29 PM
I used to really dig the Terry Brooks Shannara series.

I remember reading Sword of Shannara on the bus home from school - that was the first sci/fi fantasy book I'd ever read and I was hooked. 

The whole series was pretty good, but the first three really wrapped you in.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: narcout on December 07, 2009, 03:59:52 AM
Well, I just finished The Gathering Storm, and it was fantastic.

Brandon Sanderson did an amazing job. I can't imagine how daunting a task it must have been, but he pulled it off.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: nicneufeld on December 07, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
I am a sucker for comic novels, and I don't mean "graphic novels/comic books", rather writing with a penchant for humor.  My favorite series used to be the LotR but somehow the movies, which I initially loved and greatly anticipated, have neutered this series a little for me.  Characters have been not so much ruined, but degraded, cheapened, watered down from where they were in my mind before Peter Jackson's little foray.

Now my favorite series is the scifi/humor classic Hitchhiker's Guide series, and Adams' followup Dirk Gently books.  This too had its poor adaptations, but the 2005 movie was so, SO bad that it somehow has managed not to corrupt the books for me.  I turned it off halfway through, it was so bloody awful.  The BBC TV series was bad, but in a chintzy BBC special effects sort of way...somehow Big-Budget Awful is worse than low budget, we're-trying-but-we-just-don't-have-the-funds sort of awful.

Another great line of books that is not so much a series as a tangled web of interwoven novels and short stories are the two major canons of PG Wodehouse, the Jeeves books and the Blandings Castle books.  Having exhausted the former I am enjoying of late some of the more prominent examples of the latter.  Just finished Summer Lightning and Heavy Weather, both very good, and Leave it to Psmith being the first of the Blandings Castle series that I read, it remains a favorite.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: Hokerer on December 08, 2009, 12:44:38 AM
(currently listening to Pournelle/Niven's  Lucifer's Hammer in the car while commuting)

Lucifer's Hammer is excellent.  After that, if you liked it, you ought to try Pournelle/Niven's Footfall, also excellent.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: Hokerer on December 08, 2009, 12:49:08 AM
The Dresden Files by Jim Butcher - This is what restarted me looking at Fantasy/Sci-Fi recently. It's a series of books that deal with a modern day wizard in modern day Chicago. He acts like a PI, but gets entangled in the ongoing war between humanity and creatures from the NeverNever including the Fae and the Vampire courts, etc. Lots of fun.

After you finish the Dresden books, check Netflix and get the Dresden Files TV series.  Half decent job of sticking with the books and pretty well done.  Season 1 (may have been all that was made) is available on something like three DVDs.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time
Post by: dbeechum on December 08, 2009, 12:52:10 AM
After you finish the Dresden books, check Netflix and get the Dresden Files TV series.  Half decent job of sticking with the books and pretty well done.  Season 1 (may have been all that was made) is available on something like three DVDs.

Actually, it was the TV Series that got me to check out the books initially. And yeah, one and done on the series. It was funny to see what they kept and what they didn't and of course, I can't read Dresden without seeing Paul Blackthorne as Harry.