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Title: C15L base malt?
Post by: ANDREW.GROGAN1 on January 16, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
This is probably a really dumb question for most of you but I have a recipe that calls for C15L malt.  What is that?
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 16, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
Crystal/caramel malt, 15 Lovibond
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: ANDREW.GROGAN1 on January 16, 2015, 07:28:02 PM
That's what I thought...Thank you!
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 16, 2015, 07:31:00 PM
One thing, though. That's not a base malt.  Double check your recipe. Are you an all grain brewer, or just adding some grains to extract ?
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: ANDREW.GROGAN1 on January 16, 2015, 07:33:38 PM
I was trying to make a clone.  I emailed the brewery.  I miss read the email and thought they were saying C15L as a base malt.  That's why I didn't want to assume it was Crystal.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: blatz on January 16, 2015, 07:34:39 PM
it is commonly found as "english extra light crystal" fyi.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 16, 2015, 07:35:54 PM
I was trying to make a clone.  I emailed the brewery.  I miss read the email and thought they were saying C15L as a base malt.  That's why I didn't want to assume it was Crystal.

Ok cool, because crystal is something you would typically use as more like 5-15ish% of your total, not as the base malt. Good luck.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: ANDREW.GROGAN1 on January 16, 2015, 07:39:28 PM
Maybe you guys can help me.  It’s a blonde ale.  It’s a tad on the sweet side but nothing crazy.  This is the response I got back from the brewery.

“We always give our recipes but don't give portions. The blonde ale has base, C15L and honey malts. One bittering addition of bravo hops and a clean ale strain.”

I am still an extract brewer but I was going to just convert the all grain recipe from them.  Unfortunately they didn’t list the base malt.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 16, 2015, 08:22:44 PM
I would assume domestic 2-row as a base malt and 5% -10% crystal and honey.  Maybe 10% if it's sweeter.  Split the crystal and honey malt 50/50 or 75/25.  I've never used honey malt, so I'm not sure what it adds.

If you're using malt extract, I'd use whichever light extract you prefer as your base malt.  Steep the crystal and honey malt.

Clean ale strain on a domestic beer likely means Chico.  US-05 or one of the liquid strains should do it.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: ANDREW.GROGAN1 on January 16, 2015, 08:26:57 PM
Here is what I came up with.  Thoughts?


Briess LME - Golden Light Extract   6.000 lb
Dry Extract (DME) - Light Dry Extract   1.000 lb
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L   8.000 oz
Honey Malt      8.000 oz
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 16, 2015, 08:33:49 PM
FWIW, if you thought the original is a tad on the sweet side, you might consider backing the honey malt to more like 4-6 oz.  It can go from nice to too much pretty easily.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: ANDREW.GROGAN1 on January 16, 2015, 08:42:49 PM
That's good information.  I have never used it before. 
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: santoch on March 27, 2015, 05:02:50 AM
(I agree with everything said above.)

Let's put some back of the envelope numbers so you can see where your recipe stands:

6x35 + 1x44 + .75x33 = ~278 gravity points
divide that by a 5.5 gal batch (to account for a bit of trub) should yield you about a 1.051 beer

They specify a single charge of Bravo in the boil (60)
For a blonde, I'd go for around 20 - 25 IBUs or a .5 BU:GU ratio.

So figuring 15%AA a half oz. at 60 in a 5.5 gal batch will give you about 27 IBUs or .4 oz will give you 22 IBUs.  Adjust up or down accordingly based on the alpha of the hops you actually get.

HTH-

Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on March 27, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Unless that beer is overwhelming you with honey flavor I would use half as much honey malt.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: klickitat jim on March 27, 2015, 02:02:53 PM
Can honey malt be steeped? I thought it needed to be mashed
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: santoch on March 29, 2015, 08:09:30 PM
Great question, Jim.  My understanding is that it is technically another form of caramel malt and is steepable.  I've never used it, but from what I hear, a little goes a LONG way, so use it sparingly.

S
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 29, 2015, 08:16:46 PM
Great question, Jim.  My understanding is that it is technically another form of caramel malt and is steepable.  I've never used it, but from what I hear, a little goes a LONG way, so use it sparingly.

S


Yeah, my understanding too. I've used it and a little definitely goes a long way. To me, much over 4 oz starts getting to be too much fast.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: klickitat jim on March 30, 2015, 05:15:15 PM
I cant find my mash dont mash list, but im quite sure honey malt needs to be mashed.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: erockrph on March 30, 2015, 05:44:46 PM
Can honey malt be steeped? I thought it needed to be mashed
I've steeped small amounts of Munich and Victory before without an issue. I think the old adage that certain malts "need to be mashed" only holds true if you're looking to extract fermentables from them. In low doses for flavor, I think most malts could be steeped without a significant issue. You just shouldn't expect much extract out of them. In larger amounts, you may see a starch haze issue as well.

For the typical usage rates of honey malt, I wouldn't expect much of an issue.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 30, 2015, 05:54:28 PM
I've always thrown honey malt in the cooler to mash with everything else, so I guess it doesn't matter for me.  I had always heard it could be steeped, though. And 3 or 4 oz, like Eric says, wouldn't cost you much in the way of fermentables anyway.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: factory on March 30, 2015, 06:14:28 PM
I've steeped honey malt in a honey brown ale.  Just .25 lbs.  I could definitely identify it, so it contributed something as far as flavor goes.
Title: Re: C15L base malt?
Post by: klickitat jim on March 30, 2015, 06:44:48 PM
You CAN steep anything and you CAN mash anything. Agreed

Im pretty sure you ought to mash honey malt