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Title: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 18, 2015, 09:30:19 PM
Anybody else enjoying the Seahawks downward slide?
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 18, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
Yep. I root for the Pack, except for when they play the Colts. Be nice to have that problem. We'll see.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 18, 2015, 09:39:13 PM

Yep. I root for the Pack, except for when they play the Colts. Be nice to have that problem. We'll see.
That's what I am hoping for as well.

I have huge respect for Luck. He's a good kid and a great quarterback. I wish he'd ditch that stupid throat beard.

Russell Wilson too. He's dealt with a lot of bs (Golden Tate and lost receivers), been handed a huge amount of cash, stays humble and pays it forward every chance he can. It's not his fault that Pete Carroll is a complete tool and cheater.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 18, 2015, 09:44:28 PM

Yep. I root for the Pack, except for when they play the Colts. Be nice to have that problem. We'll see.
That's what I am hoping for as well.

I have huge respect for Luck. He's a good kid and a great quarterback. I wish he'd ditch that stupid throat beard.

Russell Wilson too. He's dealt with a lot of bs (Golden Tate and lost receivers), been handed a huge amount of cash, stays humble and pays it forward every chance he can. It's not his fault that Pete Carroll is a complete tool and cheater.

Yeah, I like both QBs too. It's gonna be tough for Indy to win this one - the O line and running game have been suspect all year. But not impossible either. They've been peaking at the right time. Yeah, never been a big Carroll fan.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 18, 2015, 10:14:03 PM
Brady is a hometown (Bay Area) boy, so I can't hate him as much as others. That said, i sure don't mind watching him cry after a loss.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/18/00cf4518065faf2d07a0996e3452d94f.jpg)
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 18, 2015, 10:21:22 PM
Brady is a hometown (Bay Area) boy, so I can't hate him as much as others. That said, i sure don't mind watching him cry after a loss.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/18/00cf4518065faf2d07a0996e3452d94f.jpg)


Hadn't seen that one.     :D
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 18, 2015, 11:15:40 PM
Gonna be a really boring Super Bowl. I haven't even bothered to watch championship games. Blah.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 18, 2015, 11:21:02 PM
Nah. I don't have a horse in the race, but these are some pretty good matchups.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks5 m
Post by: majorvices on January 18, 2015, 11:22:50 PM
My son told me 5 minutes ago that the Packs had one. This thread made me turn the game on. Can't believe it is going into OT. Hawks win the toss.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 18, 2015, 11:23:40 PM
I don't know, it's in OT now. I'd written Wilson off.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 18, 2015, 11:25:40 PM
I don't know, it's in OT now. I'd written Wilson off.

Hawks win the TOSS. And I speeled ONE wrong! ;D
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 18, 2015, 11:26:07 PM
FTR not that I care.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 18, 2015, 11:29:15 PM
So are you a Steel Curtain fan then ?  From Pa, right?
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 18, 2015, 11:30:36 PM
Holy crap.  Never seen a QB throw 4 picks and go to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 18, 2015, 11:32:13 PM
Holy crap.  Never seen a QB throw 4 picks and go to the Super Bowl.

Crazy. And apparently the Pack just mailed it in.

Eagles fan from way back. Grew up closer to east coast. Embarrassed to say a Titan's fan overall.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: JT on January 18, 2015, 11:32:15 PM
What a game!
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 18, 2015, 11:34:25 PM
There is no crying on football. Man. No matter how blessed you are, Man. No doubt. Man,
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: yso191 on January 18, 2015, 11:36:27 PM
The Seahawks were just sandbagging till the end.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 18, 2015, 11:38:45 PM
Field goals don't win playoff games. Seattle hung in and deserved that win.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 18, 2015, 11:40:28 PM
Field goals don't win playoff games. Seattle hung in and deserved that win.

Yeah, settling for 3 after trying to punch it in several times at the one is a killer.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 18, 2015, 11:41:00 PM
Blah.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: klickitat jim on January 18, 2015, 11:42:59 PM
That was first game I've watched in 3 plus years, and now I can say I watched one. Bummer! Now I have to see 12 bumper stickers for another year.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: klickitat jim on January 18, 2015, 11:45:28 PM
Now its time for the Cheaters vs the team formerly known as manning
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 18, 2015, 11:49:19 PM

Now its time for the Cheaters vs the team formerly known as manning
Jim, the Seahawks already played today.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 19, 2015, 12:06:07 AM
Cannot give Pats a freebie on a turnover. F#$%. Bad omen.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: BrewBama on January 19, 2015, 12:09:10 AM
I'm still in shock. I though GB had it. Then the clock hit 5 min and the 'hawks woke up. Wow.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 19, 2015, 01:26:08 AM
I literally turned on the TV expecting the game to be over and it was in OT. No idea really what happened. My son said it was over, that GB had intercepted.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: JT on January 19, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
All hell broke loose.  I wanted Packs vs Colts, but that was one helluva comeback.
I'm a Bengals fan, so I can handle disappointment. 
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 19, 2015, 01:37:04 AM
Seattle scored like 15 points in a minute or so. I don't think GB knows either.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: pete b on January 19, 2015, 03:01:11 AM
I feel all superior because a team that lives the nearest to me has proven themselves most competent at the game of football today.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: yso191 on January 19, 2015, 03:51:30 AM
I feel all superior because a team that lives the nearest to me has proven themselves most competent at the game of football today.

Reading between the lines, this is one of my most common thoughts regarding sports fans.  Here in Seattle (as most of you know) people extrapolate participation with the actual team by being a "12th man".  Really?!  I enjoy baseball and football, but wow.  A whole lot of people need some perspective. 
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: reverseapachemaster on January 19, 2015, 04:51:53 PM
I feel all superior because a team that lives the nearest to me has proven themselves most competent at the game of football today.

Reading between the lines, this is one of my most common thoughts regarding sports fans.  Here in Seattle (as most of you know) people extrapolate participation with the actual team by being a "12th man".  Really?!  I enjoy baseball and football, but wow.  A whole lot of people need some perspective.

With the noise volume fans can produce in that stadium they can play real havoc with the opposing offense's ability to communicate.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 19, 2015, 04:58:22 PM
I feel all superior because a team that lives the nearest to me has proven themselves most competent at the game of football today.

No arguments there. Colts played like garbage (again) against your boys. Not a big fan of the GM.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: chumley on January 19, 2015, 06:54:55 PM
I can't count how many times I have watched coaches with leads switch to conservative play calling, only to watch it bite them in the arse. The Packers collapse yesterday reminded me of 2 years ago, when the Ravens beat the Donkeys.  John Fox = Mike McCarthy =  Andy Reid = Marty Schottenheimer = Dennis Green = a long like of overly-conservative play calling.

You never see that from Bill Bellichick.  He never let up on the gas.  Pete Carroll?  Let's run a fake field goal on 4th and 10.  As a long-suffering Eagles fan, I'm just happy that Chip Kelly doesn't seem to suffer from the disease of conservative play calling.

Now I will root for the Seattle SeaQuacks to defeat the New England Bellicheats.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 20, 2015, 01:55:51 AM

Now I will root for the Seattle SeaQuacks to defeat the New England Bellicheats.

I guess I root for Seattle. Honestly I really don't care. I hate the Pats but have a hard time rooting for NFC. At least the Seahawks used to be AFC...
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: chumley on January 21, 2015, 03:57:58 PM
The Bellicheats are sure living up to their name.  11 of 12 balls underinflated.  One or two is a coincidence, but 11 of 12?  Hmmmm........
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 21, 2015, 10:59:26 PM
I feel all superior because a team that lives the nearest to me has proven themselves most competent at the game of football today.
That's what she said: she lives in Seattle.  :)
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 21, 2015, 11:02:18 PM
The Bellicheats are sure living up to their name.  11 of 12 balls underinflated.  One or two is a coincidence, but 11 of 12?  Hmmmm........
Is there an actual rule against it?
What was the final score? I could see one factor being decisive in a 10 to 7 game, but not in a blow out.
Is the other team mad because they didn't think of it?
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 21, 2015, 11:10:55 PM
I believe there is a rule, and the refs test the balls ahead of the game and sign off on them. To do this, the Patriots would have needed to build a spunding valve essentially with a needle. Otherwise the air would release uncontrollably and they wouldn't all match. Maybe somebody had their thumb on the scale?
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: mchrispen on January 21, 2015, 11:19:47 PM
There is an actual rule against it. AND caught cheating once already...  The rules are printed and well understood - and no excuses. Regardless. Period. Why? Look at how much that jacka** get paid. Decisive win? Why cheat against a team you clearly can beat? Did the Colts win over Manning give him the jitters? Maybe he should have watched the game.


I think the actual question is why such a talented and dominant team needs to cheat? I despised Belichick before. This cinches it. Belichick should be suspended for a year, and no team with him as coach should be eligible for playoffs in 2015. Enough is enough. Too much money in play though...


The choke point is that I am a long lived Broncos fan. Now I am forced to cheer on the Seahawks. At least they ain't the Raiders.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 21, 2015, 11:29:35 PM
As a huge Colts fan, I will say that they could've played with beach balls, golf balls, volleyballs, or frisbees and gotten thumped. The Colts played like absolute S@$t from the kickoff. No sour grapes. We sucked and deserved to lose. NONETHELESS, 11 of 12 balls is damn sure no coincidence, and the fact that it wasn't a close game doesn't suddenly make this ok. It goes to the integrity of the game.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: JT on January 22, 2015, 01:38:38 AM
I guess I just don't get it.  Did the Colts not use the same footballs?
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 22, 2015, 01:47:36 AM
Allegedly , no. It's the home team's responsibility to supply the balls, inspected 2 hours prior to game time by NFL officials. It's alleged that after the inspection some air was let out of the Pats balls to give better grip in the rain.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: mchrispen on January 22, 2015, 01:59:03 AM
Belichick can simply say someone used a faulty regulator. Can't be that hard to find one - roll it out. Or some lackey that goes all Water Boy and plays braindead. All would be well, except Belichick will always carry the cheater stigma. I still wonder what he was thinking. What a moronic cheat... if you cheat at something so inane, what is really under the hood? It's a very fair question.


BTW - the Colts had an good opportunity and Luck will be a great franchise QB given some years and a real offensive line around him, and a defense that can score a few points here and there. I see the Pats as the Dallas Cowboys with real talent, they always seems to win despite the odds. Broncos would not have faired any better.


For the record, I think they deserve their position in the SuperBowl. Great team, just lead by a cheater. That should inform the coming years and any Hall of Fame nominations.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: JT on January 22, 2015, 02:00:38 AM
Right, but then they put air back in them when the Colts had the ball?  Or the Colts used the same underinflated ball?
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: 69franx on January 22, 2015, 02:07:34 AM
Nope each offense has their own set of balls, pun was and was not intended
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: JT on January 22, 2015, 02:15:10 AM
I see.  Crazy and insulting to the Pats players really.  Not a Patriots fan but the team should be pissed.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: erockrph on January 22, 2015, 02:41:18 AM
It seems to be a big deal when Belichick and the Pats do stuff, but not for anyone else, even though every other quarterback in the league does the same thing. Haters gonna hate, I guess. Everyone's crying to keep the Pats out of the Super Bowl for this, but Ndamukong Suh gets to plea down to a slap on the wrist for something he could arguably be in jail for.

You never see that from Bill Bellichick.  He never let up on the gas.  Pete Carroll?  Let's run a fake field goal on 4th and 10.  As a long-suffering Eagles fan, I'm just happy that Chip Kelly doesn't seem to suffer from the disease of conservative play calling.
That sort of reminds me of this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/randomir/pats-sweepleg.jpg)
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 22, 2015, 02:47:53 AM
Right, but then they put air back in them when the Colts had the ball?  Or the Colts used the same underinflated ball?

Some QBs like the ball better under inflated - some do not. Tom Brady has been on record saying he prefers an under inflated ball.

The big deal is this: The balls were tested by the official and found to be within regulation. Someone tampered with the balls afterward.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: bboy9000 on January 22, 2015, 04:01:55 AM

There is an actual rule against it. AND caught cheating once already...  The rules are printed and well understood - and no excuses. Regardless. Period. Why? Look at how much that jacka** get paid. Decisive win? Why cheat against a team you clearly can beat? Did the Colts win over Manning give him the jitters? Maybe he should have watched the game.


I think the actual question is why such a talented and dominant team needs to cheat? I despised Belichick before. This cinches it. Belichick should be suspended for a year, and no team with him as coach should be eligible for playoffs in 2015. Enough is enough. Too much money in play though...


The choke point is that I am a long lived Broncos fan. Now I am forced to cheer on the Seahawks. At least they ain't the Raiders.

If cheating forces you to not cheer for the Patriots then you shouldn't be cheering for the Broncos:

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/aug/20/sports/sp-cheathow20
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Stevie on January 22, 2015, 04:26:42 AM
The article I read stated that each team provides a dozen balls, the home team also provides a dozen backups and nine kickers balls.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 22, 2015, 12:00:28 PM


If cheating forces you to not cheer for the Patriots then you shouldn't be cheering for the Broncos:

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/aug/20/sports/sp-cheathow20

Oh, it's not cheating that causes me not to route for the pats. I just hate the pats.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 22, 2015, 12:27:42 PM
regardless of what team is involved-until the NFL does more than $25k fine and loss of draft pick....this kind of thing will continue to go on. and this is at the very least a second offense for this team-hammer time.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 22, 2015, 12:42:35 PM

The big deal is this: The balls were tested by the official and found to be within regulation. Someone tampered with the balls afterward.

+1
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: klickitat jim on January 22, 2015, 01:38:03 PM
I have the proper penalty. For the Super bowl,  Seattle will be using this ball
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/22/15d1e0bd8c46ff8da68ef18ff3710163.jpg)

Boston will use this one
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/22/5a737443d9d03dd2a9c91f608529974a.jpg)
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: theDarkSide on January 22, 2015, 02:53:03 PM
Boston will use this one
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/22/5a737443d9d03dd2a9c91f608529974a.jpg)
The Boston Patriots?  Now there's a blast from the past.

I'm not defending what was done, but until there's some official word (ESPN does not equal the NFL), I'm holding judgement.  Yes, I'll be pissed if Brady or Belichick had some hand in this but everyone is pretty niave if you think this stuff doesn't go on everywhere in the NFL.  And because the Pats have been very successful, they tend to be hated and put under more scrutiny than others.  It is embarrassing as a fan and season ticket holder, but my love of the team doesn't waver.

I just wish the NFL would get off their duff and do whatever so the focus can be shifted to the actual game and the teams involved...who both earned the right to be there. 
 
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: majorvices on January 22, 2015, 02:57:22 PM
As Colin Cowherd said yesterday, the problem is it is on on-going problem. Yeah, "everyone does it" but Bellicheck has a tendency to thumb his nose at the NFL regularly. If the allegations are true I think the NFL is going to come down hard on Bellicheck next year.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: pete b on January 22, 2015, 03:37:32 PM
I don't follow football enough to know whether or not this is something that always goes on, I suspect it is, but what a lousy time to get caught! These two weeks are all about the media manufacturing stories to fill content because nothings really going on but people want to watch/read something about the Super Bowl. I don't quite understand why people have such high expectations of integrity from sports teams and athletes, whose jobs are merely to be entertaining enough to generate billions in advertising revenue and sell us crap. I think it would be interesting if this type of reporting and this level of public interest were invested in politics and social/environmental issues that really matter. This is a damned game and this silly over-inflated (pun intended) story is on the front page (not the front of the sports section, the actual front page) of serious news sources. While people are shouting for serious consequences for a football coach who may or may not have known about some under-inflated footballs our politicians are quietly undoing the modest consequences imposed on those responsible for the Great Recession. If only as much attention was paid to that.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: bboy9000 on January 22, 2015, 10:12:08 PM

I think it would be interesting if this type of reporting and this level of public interest were invested in politics and social/environmental issues that really matter. This is a damned game and this silly over-inflated (pun intended) story is on the front page (not the front of the sports section, the actual front page) of serious news sources. While people are shouting for serious consequences for a football coach who may or may not have known about some under-inflated footballs our politicians are quietly undoing the modest consequences imposed on those responsible for the Great Recession. If only as much attention was paid to that.

+1000^^^
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 22, 2015, 10:28:17 PM
As a huge Colts fan, I will say that they could've played with beach balls, golf balls, volleyballs, or frisbees and gotten thumped. The Colts played like absolute S@$t from the kickoff. No sour grapes. We sucked and deserved to lose. NONETHELESS, 11 of 12 balls is damn sure no coincidence, and the fact that it wasn't a close game doesn't suddenly make this ok. It goes to the integrity of the game.
Of course it doesn't, but it takes a lot more than one thing to cause a blowout.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 22, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
As a huge Colts fan, I will say that they could've played with beach balls, golf balls, volleyballs, or frisbees and gotten thumped. The Colts played like absolute S@$t from the kickoff. No sour grapes. We sucked and deserved to lose. NONETHELESS, 11 of 12 balls is damn sure no coincidence, and the fact that it wasn't a close game doesn't suddenly make this ok. It goes to the integrity of the game.
Of course it doesn't, but it takes a lot more than one thing to cause a blowout.

Steve, I guess I wasn't clear enough.  The Colts got embarrassed because they couldn't tackle anybody, and their WRs couldn't get open for the entire game. They sucked in every phase of the game.  They deserved to lose and did lose based on these things. But that didn't make rigging the footballs to gain an advantage in bad weather acceptable just because it was a blowout. Because who picks the point differential where cheating is and isn't ok ?
My sour grapes are with my team for playing so lousy and embarrasing the city. And if the Colts got caught doing something this dumb, I'd be furious at them. It's dumb for any team to do, especially one that doesn't need an advantage anyway.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: yso191 on January 23, 2015, 06:52:09 PM
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy153/yso191/12_zpsc949a160.jpg)
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: theDarkSide on January 23, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
Such a huge drop off in coverage from yesterday after the press conferences (why the hell do they have non-sports reporters cover a sports conference...pathetic), D'quell (or however the hell you spell it) saying he never mentioned anything about the ball being underinflated, the NFL dragging it's feet on a decision and they haven't even contacted Brady for an interview.

As far as I'm concerned, this was a witch hunt by a butt hurt head coach that got out thought and cried all the way to the NFL, who told him basically get over it!

So much misinformation in this whole affair by the media, so my final word on this is:

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn176/stevo155/pats.jpg)

Time to start talking about winning a football game.
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: narvin on January 23, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
Maybe this is why the Pats could actually catch the ball for once in the game against the Ravens this year.  I hope Amendola doesn't revert to his old ways once they pump the ball up for the Super Bowl.

Too bad, since the Ravens were without so many starters and still almost pulled it out.  All we heard two years ago was, "Oh, the Pats are better and would have won if Talib didn't go out in the second half."  ;)
Title: Re: Packers v Seahawks
Post by: theDarkSide on January 23, 2015, 08:07:00 PM
Too bad, since the Ravens were without so many starters and still almost pulled it out.  All we heard two years ago was, "Oh, the Pats are better and would have won if Talib didn't go out in the second half."  ;)

Of all the teams in the NFL, the Ravens scare me the most.  They always play the Pats hard.
Who knew the Pats success was not having Talib at all instead of losing him in the playoffs every year :)