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Title: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 02:59:43 AM
Okay, so I have all of my equipment ready.  I will be doing my first all grain batch this weekend.  I am trying to decide what to brew.  I love English Pale Ales but would like to make them a bit stronger (6-7%).  I want to have a great hop aroma, finish (i.e. floral).  I am thinking Maris Otter, Crystal, Roasted (?) and someone suggested Flaked maize.  For hops, Fuggle and Golding:

Assuming (first time and batch sparging) a 70% efficiency:

13 gallon initial boil
90 min boil

11 finish volume

25lb Maris Otter
2lb Crystal 40
.125 oz Roasted Barley
4.lb Flaked Maize
2 oz Goldings (60 mins)
2 0z Fuggle (15 mins)

Wyeast---?

I would appreciate all responses as I am completely unsure what the heck I am doing.

Equipment:

converted 15 gallon keg as brewpot
blichmann burner
secondary burner 65
10 gallon igloo cooler with false bottom
70 qt coleman extreme with coper manifold




Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: tygo on May 10, 2010, 11:10:32 AM
That's pretty low on the hopping rates for beefed up ESB.  Assuming those are 4.5% AA hops something like 5 oz of bittering and 3 oz of flavor would get you more in the ballpark at around 42 IBUs.  If it were me though I'd bump that up even higher to say, 6 oz bittering and 4 oz flavor.

Also, I'd swap the Fuggles and EKG and use the Fuggles for bittering.

 
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 01:35:58 PM
Thank you for that advice.  I will definitely boost the hops.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: dak0415 on May 10, 2010, 01:43:22 PM
I would leave out the flaked maize.  Without it you still have a 6% beer.  If you want to add more alcohol, add some brown sugar, that will also give it more character and keep it more "English".  If you want it darker, use 1oz of a chocolate malt.  That will make it browner, roasted barley will make it redder, but 1/8oz won't really do anything.  Do you have a higher AA% hop available (Northdown, Northern Brewer, Target, Challenger) for bittering (90 min)? Although I got some 2009 EKG that is 7%.  I would also flip the fuggle and EKG.  Use the EKG for aroma.

Yeast :
Wyeast 1968
White labs WLP002
White Labs WLP005 (my house yeast) but use a big stater (3L for each carboy, decant and pitch slurry). Ferment at 68-70 for more fruitiness.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 01:57:01 PM
So how much brown sugar should I use?  The basis of the recipe came from a buddy so I am not sure what the purpose or effect of adding the flaked maize. 

For hops, I can buy additional but I also have Amarillo, Magnum and Cascade. 

In regards to the 3L for each 5 gallons, I have one stir plate and a 2L flask.  I guess I could do a starter and buy additional packs....

Again, thanks all.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: dak0415 on May 10, 2010, 02:34:26 PM
Without any adjuncts you have 11 gals. of 6% beer
Each lb of flaked maize adds .25%
Each lb of sugar (brown or otherwise) adds .5%
For ESB I would use light brown sugar.
For Brown Ale - dark brown.

If you are going with 7%, you probably need about 50-55 IBU to cover the alcohol warmth!

What kind of stir plate do you have?  Will it turn your stirbar in a 1 gallon jug or growler?
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: tygo on May 10, 2010, 02:35:43 PM

For hops, I can buy additional but I also have Amarillo, Magnum and Cascade. 


I haven't used it but Magnum is supposedly a pretty clean bittering hop.  You could probably use that for bittering and the EKG for flavor/aroma.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 02:42:18 PM
My stir plate provides only a dimple in a 2000 ml Erlenmeyer Flask.  I am not confident that it could spin in a gallon jug.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bluesman on May 10, 2010, 02:43:44 PM
My stir plate provides only a dimple in a 2000 ml Erlenmeyer Flask.  I am not confident that it could spin in a gallon jug.

If worst comes to worst you could use intermittent shaking which will be just fine.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 02:45:42 PM
Should I then do a starter in the 2000 ml Erlenmeyer Flask on a stir plate and another in a jug?  Should I place an airlock on the starter in the jug?
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: richardt on May 10, 2010, 02:46:38 PM
I agree with Tygo and I have used Magnum as a bittering hop with great success in Saisons, Stouts, and Pale Ales.  
Magnum is a high AA (13%, I think) yet clean bittering hop.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: tygo on May 10, 2010, 02:49:57 PM
Should I then do a starter in the 2000 ml Erlenmeyer Flask on a stir plate and another in a jug?  Should I place an airlock on the starter in the jug?

I'd do two starters in two gallon milk jugs.  Split the yeast between the two and and use intermittent shaking.  Don't put an airlock on since you want O2 to be able to get to the wort.  Just loosely cover the jugs with sanitized foil.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bluesman on May 10, 2010, 02:54:49 PM
Should I then do a starter in the 2000 ml Erlenmeyer Flask on a stir plate and another in a jug?  Should I place an airlock on the starter in the jug?

I'd do two starters in two gallon milk jugs.  Split the yeast between the two and and use intermittent shaking.  Don't put an airlock on since you want O2 to be able to get to the wort.  Just loosely cover the jugs with sanitized foil.

+1

You'll need 6 Liters if you stir and 9 Liters if you shake. Two gallons will pretty much do it if you shake.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 02:57:47 PM
Okay-in each gallon jug; how many mls should I add and should I keep the starter wort at about 1.040?  How many days prior to a Saturday brew session should I start them?

Finally, in regards to the Magnum hops (I just purchased them from hops direct), how many ounces should I add to my recipe above?
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: dak0415 on May 10, 2010, 03:00:45 PM
What is the AA% of your Magnum, EKG and Fuggle?
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: richardt on May 10, 2010, 03:10:09 PM
Okay-in each gallon jug; how many mls should I add and should I keep the starter wort at about 1.040?  How many days prior to a Saturday brew session should I start them?

Finally, in regards to the Magnum hops (I just purchased them from hops direct), how many ounces should I add to my recipe above?

KEEP IT SIMPLE!  Follow the "10 to 1 rule."   Use 10 times the water for each unit of DME.  
For example, use "1000 ml of water for 100 grams of DME."  or
use "60 fl oz for 6 oz of DME."
Just make sure you're using the correct units (i.e., mls water and gms of DME, or fl oz water and oz DME)
The following website may be helpful: http://hbd.org/uchima/yeaststart/yeaststart.html (http://hbd.org/uchima/yeaststart/yeaststart.html)


Magnum hops have high AA %, use a program like BeerSmith or an online calculator to determine your additions and amounts (it all depends on the IBU's you want to have for the beer style you're shooting for).  Consequently, the amounts added and the boil times play a role in the final IBU number (bitterness from hops).  You need to decide what beer style you're shooting for (is it a pale ale or an IPA?)
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 03:11:46 PM
The Magnum (whole) is 10.5 and the Fuggle (pellets) is 4.0
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: dak0415 on May 10, 2010, 03:28:01 PM
IMO:
Amount Item Type % or IBU
2oz Magnum [10.50 %] (90 min) Hops 31.5 IBU
1oz Fuggles [4.00 %] (60 min) Hops 6.2 IBU
1oz Fuggles [4.00 %] (30 min) Hops 4.8 IBU
1oz Goldings, East Kent [4.50 %] (30 min) Hops 5.4 IBU
1oz Goldings, East Kent [4.50 %] (15 min) Hops 3.5 IBU

total 51.3 IBU (That's a lot but will be very smooth with the magnum, but make sure you do the Magnum full boil)

Also 350 g DME in 3.5 quart for each starter (you need some shakin' room)

Make one starter with the whole vial, then make the other, while it's cooling, pour half the first starter into the second jug, then top off both to 3.5 quarts!

Dave
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 03:35:00 PM
Great advice Dave.  I know that this beer does not fit any specific category but I was interested in something similar to an English IPA but did not want to dry hop or make it too bitter (so I can test it out on some neighbors). 

Regarding the starters-how many days before brew day should I start this process?


Thanks, Bill
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: dak0415 on May 10, 2010, 03:42:59 PM
Are you sure you want to start with a 7% beer?
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: tygo on May 10, 2010, 03:43:35 PM

Regarding the starters-how many days before brew day should I start this process?


Start them like 5 days ahead of time or so.  Let them ferment out for three or four days and then the night before brewday pop them in the fridge to crash the yeast.  When you're ready to pitch decant off the starter wort and pitch the slurry.
Title: Re: First All Grain Batch
Post by: bendbrew on May 10, 2010, 03:48:02 PM
I will start the Wyeast starters today.  In regards to 7% beer, my neighbors also enjoy a big beer but one that is balanced and not, as they would say, overly bitter.  That, in a nutshell, is the art of brewing-balancing out the elements.