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Title: 2011 NHC
Post by: micsager on May 13, 2010, 04:57:03 PM
Anyone know where the conference will be NEXT year.  (I have to plan way ahead of time)
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: rupert on May 13, 2010, 05:03:29 PM
I think they will announce the location at the 2010 NHC.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on May 13, 2010, 05:17:50 PM
San Diego has been floating around as a rumor, but the official word won't come until Saturday night at this year's NHC.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bluesman on May 13, 2010, 05:21:45 PM
San Diego has been floating around as a rumor, but the official word won't come until Saturday night at this year's NHC.

I hope that becomes reality. I love San Diego. Great weather.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on May 13, 2010, 05:32:02 PM
I'd like to see some East coast love, but a trip to San Diego in June would be cool too.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bluesman on May 13, 2010, 06:24:14 PM
I'd like to see some East coast love, but a trip to San Diego in June would be cool too.

I heard that...the East Coast would be just fine with me.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: Kaiser on May 13, 2010, 06:47:05 PM
I'd like to see some East coast love, but a trip to San Diego in June would be cool too.

It had been in that area last year. Are there no east cost places that would be willing to host?

Kai
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: micsager on May 13, 2010, 06:53:22 PM
us folks in Washington are gonna try and get one over the next few years in Seattle.  We got our laws changed last year to make it legal !!!  (transporting and such)

What do you guys think of Seattle?  Lot's of great places for the BNA pub crawl.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on May 13, 2010, 07:29:32 PM
Seattle would be great but I would need to take at least 2 weeks off to explore all that the PNW has to offer.  Oh and another week after that to recover...I just don't have that kind of vacation time. :)
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: dbeechum on May 13, 2010, 07:38:06 PM
Oh boy, there's a lot of planning going on. We're trying to keep ahead of the game because it's been demonstrated that when we have a lot of time and a team that's on the stick, the conference is a madhouse, a very smoothly running madhouse.

And there's the rub, the AHA depends upon us to be that team that provides the backbone of the conference. All of those events? Planned by someone local.

For the conference to come to your area, what the organization needs is at least one crazy person to raise their hand, start exploring possibilities, demonstrate local availability of volunteers and work with Gary to find appropriate hotels that won't kill us on cost, are right sized for the attendance and have intriguing possibilities nearby. (By the way, your local tourist board or city convention committee can give you a leg up on this.)

So, if you're wanting to see the conference swing to your area, contact the G-man (gary@brewersassociation.org) for the planning document and go to it.  In other words, yup, the conference will appear where we have teams that can put together the right package.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bluesman on May 13, 2010, 07:53:15 PM
Oh boy, there's a lot of planning going on. We're trying to keep ahead of the game because it's been demonstrated that when we have a lot of time and a team that's on the stick, the conference is a madhouse, a very smoothly running madhouse.

And there's the rub, the AHA depends upon us to be that team that provides the backbone of the conference. All of those events? Planned by someone local.

For the conference to come to your area, what the organization needs is at least one crazy person to raise their hand, start exploring possibilities, demonstrate local availability of volunteers and work with Gary to find appropriate hotels that won't kill us on cost, are right sized for the attendance and have intriguing possibilities nearby. (By the way, your local tourist board or city convention committee can give you a leg up on this.)

So, if you're wanting to see the conference swing to your area, contact the G-man (gary@brewersassociation.org) for the planning document and go to it.  In other words, yup, the conference will appear where we have teams that can put together the right package.

Think cheesesteaks, pretzels, the Liberty Bell and Beer!

Where's the G-MAN when one needs him?
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: majorvices on May 13, 2010, 08:05:24 PM
I'd like to see either Nashville, TN or Asheville, NC sometime soon. But I am not crazy enough to raise my hand.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bo_gator on May 14, 2010, 12:02:47 AM
I'd like to see either Nashville, TN or Asheville, NC sometime soon. But I am not crazy enough to raise my hand.
There has been some discussion about it by some in the Asheville home brew club, but we do not have anywhere near the number of hotel rooms that are needed. I was hitting up the Charlotte club, but did not get any bites  :'(
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: Crispy275 on May 14, 2010, 01:10:39 AM
Drew is spot on - we need a commited local group of homebrewers that can help support the effort.

Gary (and pretty much all of the AHA GC) has a decent document put together over the years that outlines what it takes to pull one of these off. It's about 30 pages, and gives a core team some excellent guidance as what it takes. We should probably put this up on the website - brilliant! Hell, it may already be there - better check  ;)

Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: dbarber on May 14, 2010, 12:57:21 PM

Think cheesesteaks, pretzels, the Liberty Bell and Beer!

Where's the G-MAN when one needs him?

Several clubs are working to bring the NHC to Philly in 2012 or 2013.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on May 14, 2010, 01:09:49 PM
I heard rumors that the NHC was in Manchester, NH once...I'm sure it has grown 10 fold since then.  I couldn't imagine it here now.

Philly, Boston, DC all sound good to me.  Unfortunately I think NYC would be too expensive in June.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bluesman on May 14, 2010, 01:26:26 PM

Think cheesesteaks, pretzels, the Liberty Bell and Beer!

Where's the G-MAN when one needs him?

Several clubs are working to bring the NHC to Philly in 2012 or 2013.

That's a good thing. I hope it can happen. I am about an hours drive from center city.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bo_gator on May 14, 2010, 01:31:59 PM
I would not complain too much even if it came to Atlanta >:(
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: dbeechum on May 14, 2010, 04:04:54 PM
I heard rumors that the NHC was in Manchester, NH once...I'm sure it has grown 10 fold since then.  I couldn't imagine it here now.

Almost, but not quite ten fold since the conference back then. We now need a hotel that can comfortably accommodate a thousand homebrewers. Typically that requires a relatively adjancent set of overflow hotels. (witness this year and how quickly the main hotel went full or the number of hotels that we spread across last year in Oakland.) Fortunately, hotel selection is the sort of thing that the convention folks can help you with.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: MDixon on May 17, 2010, 01:14:04 PM
I know this will offend someone, but Alanta kinda sucks for beer. There are certainly some good spots, but they are not centralized and most don't have a Hotlanta address - think Sandy Springs, Decatur, etc. As far as Asheville, there is no place large enough for the conference hotel that I am aware of and flying into Asheville, while possible, is not a great move financially. The best prices for flights would be Charlotte, or maybe Greensboro or Greenville and then you're looking at a drive. Now the beer scene would be perfect for the conference. Darn near everything within walking distance of everything else (if there was a hotel).

Another rub is what Drew mentioned, local support. MALT has a strong club, but probably not enough to pull off the conference by itself if held in Asheville. Just the cellarmaster job and their staff would be a nightmare with 760 beers in the second round, so 2280 bottles (95 cases of beer). Couple that with club night with around 400 5gallon kegs and ProBrewer's Night with 50 (or more) 15 gallon kegs and one starts to understand the task at hand! How do you keep that many beers cold and organized can be a logistical nightmare. Most cellarmasters don't see much of the conference.

My hat's off to those who are up to the challenge!
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 17, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
The NHC has grown a lot since I started to attend.  Been to Chicago (03), Denver, Cincinnatti, and Oakland (last 3).  Each year  of the last 3 the growth is noticable, and 2010 will be the same.

The NCAA final 4 used to be played in arenas around 20k,and medium sized cities.  Now it is in stadiums in large cities with the amount of hotel rooms that the NCAA requires.  This limits the number of host cities to a few.

The NHC appears to have a similar path, as it grows some past venues like Manchester NH can't meet the new requirements to put on the conference.  This is one of the downsides of growth, but the growth indicates that the hobby is healthy. 
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bo_gator on May 17, 2010, 05:10:49 PM
I know this will offend someone, but Alanta kinda sucks for beer. There are certainly some good spots, but they are not centralized and most don't have a Hotlanta address - think Sandy Springs, Decatur, etc. As far as Asheville, there is no place large enough for the conference hotel that I am aware of and flying into Asheville, while possible, is not a great move financially. The best prices for flights would be Charlotte, or maybe Greensboro or Greenville and then you're looking at a drive. Now the beer scene would be perfect for the conference. Darn near everything within walking distance of everything else (if there was a hotel).

Another rub is what Drew mentioned, local support. MALT has a strong club, but probably not enough to pull off the conference by itself if held in Asheville. Just the cellarmaster job and their staff would be a nightmare with 760 beers in the second round, so 2280 bottles (95 cases of beer). Couple that with club night with around 400 5gallon kegs and ProBrewer's Night with 50 (or more) 15 gallon kegs and one starts to understand the task at hand! How do you keep that many beers cold and organized can be a logistical nightmare. Most cellarmasters don't see much of the conference.

My hat's off to those who are up to the challenge!

I think our best bet is Bill Lynch's group with some support from the other clubs.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bobby_m on May 28, 2010, 08:11:01 PM
The WHALES are always willing to lend a hand. Get in touch. We want to see it in Philly too!
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: SiameseMoose on May 29, 2010, 03:14:11 PM
I would just add a couple notes to the growth: the conference was here in Cincinnati only two years ago, in 2008. The conference has already added additional growth to the point that there are no hotels big enough here any more.

Concerning hotels, it's not just, "Are they big enough?" They have to allow outside alcohol without any corkage fees. Alcohol sales are a big part of a hotel's convention business, and they are loath to give it up. (Plus, there are some states where it would probably cause legal issues.) When I toured hotels here prior to our making a bid for the conference, multiple hotels were eliminated on this one issue alone. And one hotel (a Hilton) that made a bid was forced to withdraw it because the corporate offices vetoed it.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: dbeechum on May 29, 2010, 04:32:46 PM
I would just add a couple notes to the growth: the conference was here in Cincinnati only two years ago, in 2008. The conference has already added additional growth to the point that there are no hotels big enough here any more.

Sadly, it seems like throwing a world class kickass beer party takes a ton of work, luck and circumstances falling into place.

And seriously, if the host hotels were really on the game, they'd change up their normal hotel bar lineup and fill it with craft beer and take that chunk of sales. You'd be surprised just how many guys are in the bar buying beers (because they don't see them at home, etc). I remember in Chicago, the hotel made a move to bring in a "little" Goose Island before we arrived and sold out of it so quickly that they brought in a ton more before the conference was over. Of course that was also the same year we shared the hotel with a Southern Baptist group and an AA group. :)
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: SiameseMoose on May 29, 2010, 05:03:29 PM
Of course that was also the same year we shared the hotel with a Southern Baptist group and an AA group. :)

I well remember those groups.

Before the opening luncheon, a group of us Bloatarians was in the main hall practicing for our "opening ceremony". (We had been asked by Randy Mosher, one of our founders and life members, to do an abbreviated version of our secret ceremony.) We were loud. A very angry guy came storming into the room, and insisted we had to be quiet. He was the "facilitator" for the group in the next room, and they needed quiet for their serious session. We were already done, but informed him we were doing it for real in 30 minutes for the full group. That was unacceptable to him, and he insisted we reschedule our lunch of hundreds to accomodate his group of 20. We said tough, and he went storming off to the hotel manager. Never heard from him again. His group? A support group for parents whose kids were going into detox.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: dbeechum on May 29, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
See, this is why I really love these conventions... sometimes you just end up with the wackiest things going on.

Of course I was asleep for one of my favorite ones I've heard. At the Vegas Conference, someone got the fool idea of having the Hospitality Suite open 24 hours a day. (yikes) The Falcons took one of the overnight shifts and at some point (3AM-4AM?) I stretched out on a couple of stackable chairs and zonked. Meanwhile, the other guys who stayed awake reported that at some wee hour, a working girl came walking into the suite and hung out with them for a while, just shooting the s*** and drinking beer. Apparently didn't even try drumming up any work from them. (Homebrewers in general don't seem to be an ideal target audience for that market)
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: denny on May 29, 2010, 07:32:42 PM
See, this is why it's great that NHC has gotten big enough that we take over the whole hotel these days!
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bobby_m on June 22, 2010, 08:01:36 PM
Not true Denny. I saw a wedding going on in Minneapolis. Somehow I don't think we minded their presence as much as the other way around ;-)
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: denny on June 22, 2010, 09:13:56 PM
Not true Denny. I saw a wedding going on in Minneapolis. Somehow I don't think we minded their presence as much as the other way around ;-)

Actually, it looks like they joined us for some mead!  Take a look in the events section.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: sutorbrew on June 22, 2010, 09:15:48 PM
Not true Denny. I saw a wedding going on in Minneapolis. Somehow I don't think we minded their presence as much as the other way around ;-)

Actually, it looks like they joined us for some mead!  Take a look in the events section.

I figured they needed some so I brought them some of my club members Basswood Mead :) You need some Honeywine for your Honeymoon right!
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bfogt on June 24, 2010, 03:37:21 AM
It seem like this derailed a bit anyway, but seems the right place to ask/comment...

It is really only 1500 people?  That's tiny, really.  We had 2000 Geocachers in Kendallville, IN, two years ago.  Look the town up.  Certainly not San Diego or Minneapolis.  Sure, half of them camped at our venue, but I would think that homebrewing and Geocaching would have the same size of base if not more to the homebrewers. 

So you're looking at 900 rooms and meeting space for 2k or a bit more?  I'd think it's just too small to be a huge mark on a city's calendar.  For NHC regional judging in Indy, we were priced out of hotels due to the Firefighters bringing 35,000 to town. 

Has the AHA considered moving to a 2 year planning cycle or more?  It makes facility concerns much easier to deal with.  Take it from someone who had an event for 50 mushroom to 450 the first year, then 800, then 1300 and 2000. 

Shoot, if we had more breweries in the area, I'd offer up my town.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: dbeechum on June 24, 2010, 04:24:55 AM
We're actually doing that right now. The economy and the AHA's sure footing has allowed us to get there.

One complication for the Conference that we usually forget to remember. Hotels are loathe to allow free alcohol since they envision the loss of dollars. That has thrown a spanner in the works in the past. Plus since we're an organization all about alcohol, you have to imagine most hotel event planners are a bit leary until we provide references for our stellar behavior.
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: boulderbrewer on June 24, 2010, 04:25:51 AM
I think they are looking for places 3 to 4 years in advance. What is really needed is a committed group that can pull it all together. There are many cities that have the space but is there the group willing to put forward the effort. You don't need breweries you need to showcase what you have. I was at this year’s conference and I never got close to a brewery. Step forward with a proposal, check out the document. Maybe you can do it and we will all be there!

http://ahaclubs.homebrewersassociation.org/NHCplanningguide
Title: Re: 2011 NHC
Post by: bonjour on June 24, 2010, 01:30:56 PM
Another big concern is to make sure that the majority do not have to drive during the conference.  Something about drinking (do we do that?) and driving.

The combination of rooms and meeting space is limiting our choices.