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Title: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 04, 2015, 05:55:50 pm
Here ya go:

http://blog.stonebrewing.com/index.php/stone-pale-ale-recipe/
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 04, 2015, 06:02:59 pm
interesting they list 72F fermentation and either wlp002 or wlp007. very different yeast IMO with different attenuation results.  mash temp of 156F....whoa!
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 04, 2015, 06:09:26 pm
I think I will give a try at some point since it is being replaced soon. I will probably sub in S04 and I don't think I will follow that fermentation schedule with my system. I guess it would be a Stone'ish' Pale Ale
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Stevie on March 04, 2015, 06:10:33 pm
interesting they list 72F fermentation and either wlp002 or wlp007. very different yeast IMO with different attenuation results.  mash temp of 156F....whoa!
They recommend that yeast as their yeast is of English origin but proprietary. I have read of folks using a blend of the two with good results.


And the 72F temp at their scale does not necessarily jive at homebrew scale. From what I understand, the size of the fermenters used results in reduced ester formation due to pressure. I would go with 66-67F and adjust from there.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2015, 06:14:05 pm
+1 - Can't compare with big brewery fermentation temps.   I had always heard that they used 007 only for Arrogant Bastard and a clean one for the others.  Maybe not.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 04, 2015, 06:36:03 pm
ok understood on fermentation temps. a mash temp of 156F would likely be needed to keep 007 from dropping that FG down to 1.010 or less.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 04, 2015, 06:36:27 pm
Maybe I am missing something but those hop figures don't get me anywhere close to 50 IBUs. I also see on their website that they list Magnum instead of Columbus?
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2015, 06:41:47 pm
Maybe I am missing something but those hop figures don't get me anywhere close to 50 IBUs

Did you count the Columbus addition as 90 minutes ?
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 04, 2015, 06:44:41 pm
Maybe I am missing something but those hop figures don't get me anywhere close to 50 IBUs

Did you count the Columbus addition as 90 minutes ?

Yep. I get 27.29 IBUs with Brewer's Friend and a batch volume of 5.35 gallons which is what I average on my system.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: brewday on March 04, 2015, 06:46:22 pm
I'm sure they're pulling a bunch of IBUs from whirlpool.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2015, 06:51:35 pm
I'm sure they're pulling a bunch of IBUs from whirlpool.

That was my reaction, except that the recipe said to add the FO hops and 'chill as quickly as possible'.  Regardless, I'd bet they're picking up IBUs in whirlpool. It'd be easy enough to hop stand those Ahtanum additions, though.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 04, 2015, 06:51:58 pm
I don't trust this recipe. 1.22 oz of 6% ahtanum isn't going to contribute 23 IBUs. I am obviously missing something. Website says magnum not Columbus for bittering...

I guess I would just adjust up accordingly to get in the ballpark...
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: brewday on March 04, 2015, 06:53:57 pm
I'm sure they're pulling a bunch of IBUs from whirlpool.

That was my reaction, except that the recipe said to add the FO hops and 'chill as quickly as possible'.  Regardless, I'd bet they're picking up IBUs in whirlpool. It'd be easy enough to hop stand those Ahtanum additions, though.

I thought the same, till I noticed that was the "beginner" version of the recipe.  The advanced leaves a lot of the recipe formulation and technique up to the brewer.

EDIT:  And thinking back to my early days, 'chill as quickly as possible' could've very well meant a 45 minute hop stand!
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2015, 06:56:13 pm
I'm sure they're pulling a bunch of IBUs from whirlpool.

That was my reaction, except that the recipe said to add the FO hops and 'chill as quickly as possible'.  Regardless, I'd bet they're picking up IBUs in whirlpool. It'd be easy enough to hop stand those Ahtanum additions, though.

I thought the same, till I noticed that was the "beginner" version of the recipe.  The advanced leaves a lot of the recipe formulation and technique up to the brewer.

Yep, just saw that. There you go. I swear, you do better brewing a 'clone' of something to just go by your palate than using some of the recipes. I'd rather do it that way, anyway.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: brewday on March 04, 2015, 06:57:42 pm
I'm sure they're pulling a bunch of IBUs from whirlpool.

That was my reaction, except that the recipe said to add the FO hops and 'chill as quickly as possible'.  Regardless, I'd bet they're picking up IBUs in whirlpool. It'd be easy enough to hop stand those Ahtanum additions, though.

I thought the same, till I noticed that was the "beginner" version of the recipe.  The advanced leaves a lot of the recipe formulation and technique up to the brewer.

Yep, just saw that. There you go. I swear, you do better brewing a 'clone' of something to just go by your palate than using some of the recipes. I'd rather do it that way, anyway.

+1

Too many variables.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2015, 07:02:44 pm
Also, I don't buy the 1.25 lbs C60 and .25 lbs C75 - that's a pretty pale APA.  I call BS.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: brewday on March 04, 2015, 07:13:51 pm
Also, I don't buy the 1.25 lbs C60 and .25 lbs C75 - that's a pretty pale APA.  I call BS.

Been awhile, but I remember it being ESB-like in color.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2015, 07:18:34 pm
Also, I don't buy the 1.25 lbs C60 and .25 lbs C75 - that's a pretty pale APA.  I call BS.

Been awhile, but I remember it being ESB-like in color.

Been awhile, too. I could be wrong.

EDIT -  My bad.  I haven't had the pale in quite ahwile. I was thinking of their standard IPA which is paler.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: brewday on March 04, 2015, 07:32:45 pm
Also, I don't buy the 1.25 lbs C60 and .25 lbs C75 - that's a pretty pale APA.  I call BS.

Been awhile, but I remember it being ESB-like in color.

Been awhile, too. I could be wrong.

EDIT -  My bad.  I haven't had the pale in quite ahwile. I was thinking of their standard IPA which is paler.

That's probably why it's being retired!  Either way, with that much caramel I'd want every last IBU.
Title: Re: stone pale ale clone
Post by: EHall on March 05, 2015, 04:10:33 pm
This was what I got direct from Stone several years ago...
Stone Pale Ale
2-row pale malt
C-60 crystal malt
C-75 crystal malt
Magnum and Ahtanum hops
Finishing ABV=5.9%; IBU’s=41