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Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 09, 2015, 09:22:28 PM
Send a beer - Get a beer - Review a beer

If you want to participate in the Spring 2015 Beer Swap, send me an EMAIL with your Name and Shipping Address.
Participation requires a commitment that you will ship at least 1, no more than 3, beers which you have brewed, to the person/address which you will receive back in an email.

Package properly please, and include a description of what the beer is. This could be as simple as what style, or you can be super thorough and send your recipe and describe your full brewing process.

You are also making a commitment to post a polite but accurate review of the beer you receive back.
Snarky reviews and heated arguments over reviews are strongly discouraged.
Reviews should be posted on THIS thread, and contain comments on Appearance, Aroma, Flavor, Mouthfeel, and Overall, with a point score of 1 through 5. 1 = undrinkable, 3 = send me the recipe, and a 5 = best beer ever.

This works on the open honor system, meaning we trust you to ship and post a review, and if you don't it won't be secret

Due dates:
April 15 is the cuttoff for committing by email, including your NAME and SHIPPING ADDRESS
April 16 you will receive an email back with your shipping instructions
April 30 you must ship your beer by this date! Please keep your tracking info, as this may save your butt later


Ready? Go!


Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 09, 2015, 10:11:13 PM
Any reason we shouldn't post the review BJCP style if we're so inclined?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 09, 2015, 10:25:48 PM
Any reason we shouldn't post the review BJCP style if we're so inclined?

AFAIC no problem-as long as you don't care some of us don't know how to do that  ;D

Edit: im willing to learn if someone posts and example.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 09, 2015, 10:33:25 PM
BTW, whats the standard for beer descriptions? typical like style, OG, FG and ABV?
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hickory on April 09, 2015, 11:00:06 PM
Im down

Edit: It might be too much work, but maybe try to pair people closer together location wise. Might help with shipping. 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 09, 2015, 11:02:17 PM
BJCP style feedback is fine.

Also, my email is klickitatjim@gmail.com

Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on April 09, 2015, 11:03:16 PM
What's the email address?

Oops, never mind.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 09, 2015, 11:27:43 PM
Regarding BJCP stuff. Using your BJCP skills and whatnot if great but not required. Also, lets all keep in mind that this isn't a BJCP thing, nor is it a competition. Review,  don't judge. And the beer stands alone. Don't ding it for not following BJCP guidelines. Frankly, the beer I plan to send is a style not found in the 08 guidelines.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mbarnaby on April 09, 2015, 11:44:45 PM
when would the shipping dates be?  In Juneau the only non- USPS service is 2nd day air (Juneau is a geographic island without any connecting bridges(so only planes and boats).  I usually plan entering competitions around my trips down south( thought I was going to be going through Seattle during NHC but missed it by a week >:(  to save on the shipping issue.  anyways I am interested depending on the shipping window. 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 09, 2015, 11:56:17 PM
Regarding BJCP stuff. Using your BJCP skills and whatnot if great but not required. Also, lets all keep in mind that this isn't a BJCP thing, nor is it a competition. Review,  don't judge. And the beer stands alone. Don't ding it for not following BJCP guidelines. Frankly, the beer I plan to send is a style not found in the 08 guidelines.
Yea, I'm expecting something casual. A review is fine, I look forward to the feedback. Its more about sharing and connecting to me.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 09, 2015, 11:58:23 PM
Regarding BJCP stuff. Using your BJCP skills and whatnot if great but not required. Also, lets all keep in mind that this isn't a BJCP thing, nor is it a competition. Review,  don't judge. And the beer stands alone. Don't ding it for not following BJCP guidelines. Frankly, the beer I plan to send is a style not found in the 08 guidelines.
Yea, I'm expecting something casual. A review is fine, I look forward to the feedback. Its more about sharing and connecting to me.
I'm getting soft in my old age.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 12:06:36 AM
when would the shipping dates be?  In Juneau the only non- USPS service is 2nd day air (Juneau is a geographic island without any connecting bridges(so only planes and boats).  I usually plan entering competitions around my trips down south( thought I was going to be going through Seattle during NHC but missed it by a week >:(  to save on the shipping issue.  anyways I am interested depending on the shipping window.
If you join in, you'll know who and where to ship on April 16th. You'll have from April 16th to April 30th to get it shipped.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 12:09:27 AM
Regarding BJCP stuff. Using your BJCP skills and whatnot if great but not required. Also, lets all keep in mind that this isn't a BJCP thing, nor is it a competition. Review,  don't judge. And the beer stands alone. Don't ding it for not following BJCP guidelines. Frankly, the beer I plan to send is a style not found in the 08 guidelines.
Yea, I'm expecting something casual. A review is fine, I look forward to the feedback. Its more about sharing and connecting to me.
I'm getting soft in my old age.
Not soft, just comfortable.  And yes, casual. Like being handed a homebrew at a bbq, and then sharing your thoughts right there face to face. Again, not judging or critiquing, just friends sharing beer and thoughts about the beer.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 10, 2015, 12:11:05 AM
Regarding BJCP stuff. Using your BJCP skills and whatnot if great but not required. Also, lets all keep in mind that this isn't a BJCP thing, nor is it a competition. Review,  don't judge. And the beer stands alone. Don't ding it for not following BJCP guidelines. Frankly, the beer I plan to send is a style not found in the 08 guidelines.
Yea, I'm expecting something casual. A review is fine, I look forward to the feedback. Its more about sharing and connecting to me.
I'm getting soft in my old age.
Not soft, just comfortable.  And yes, casual. Like being handed a homebrew at a bbq, and then sharing your thoughts right there face to face. Again, not judging or critiquing, just friends sharing beer and thoughts about the beer.
Agreed! I'm in, will email info.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 12:24:07 AM
Guys - include your forum name in the email please. If you already emailed me, I'll reply asking for forum name.
Thanks
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 01:00:45 AM
By the way there are 8 of us already after only 3 hours. This should be fun. If it works out we'll try it again in the Fall.

Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 10, 2015, 01:14:52 AM
By the way there are 8 of us already after only 3 hours. This should be fun. If it works out we'll try it again in the Fall.
what happened to every month?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 01:35:55 AM
By the way there are 8 of us already after only 3 hours. This should be fun. If it works out we'll try it again in the Fall.
what happened to every month?
I'm not sure. I got old I guess?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on April 10, 2015, 03:25:48 AM
 I have an APA ready now and an IPA ready by the 24th.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 10, 2015, 03:27:12 AM
Review,  don't judge. And the beer stands alone. Don't ding it for not following BJCP guidelines. Frankly, the beer I plan to send is a style not found in the 08 guidelines.
I'm certainly not from the "look for a reason to fail" school of judging.  I'm just used to it by this point, and if I get a beer that claims to be from a certain style, I'm going to 'judge' it as such and make comments from that perspective.  I will think of the overall impression section to mention hedonistic enjoyment, just like I do in judging (and face-to-face comments).

AFAIC no problem-as long as you don't care some of us don't know how to do that  ;D

Edit: im willing to learn if someone posts and example.
Well, I'm certainly not going to 'judge' you if you post reviews from a purely hedonistic standpoint.  ;)  I'm just always trying to hone my scoresheet skills, so just wanting to make sure that it wouldn't upset the apple cart to use that format.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on April 10, 2015, 03:32:43 AM
Maybe I should say lightly hoppy and more hoppy.   Per the above.   
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 04:21:58 AM
BTW, whats the standard for beer descriptions? typical like style, OG, FG and ABV?
No standards. Up to you. Anything from, for example, summer beer, to a full description with recipe and methods. Your deal. Whatever you want your reviewer to know.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 10, 2015, 11:25:59 AM
I like Jim's standard of being handed a beer at a BBQ. In other words don't say something you wouldn't say to someone's face. OTOH I'm not sure if saying something to someone's face is all that inhibiting to Jim. ;-)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 06:30:45 PM
I like Jim's standard of being handed a beer at a BBQ. In other words don't say something you wouldn't say to someone's face. OTOH I'm not sure if saying something to someone's face is all that inhibiting to Jim. ;-)
It depends. Normally it takes a pretty strong gust of stupidity to ruffle my feathers.

As far as describing the beer you are sending, give the taster something to go on. That can be a descriptive title (Bill's Barnyard Brown) or a style (APA) or you can give as much info as you want, like full stats, recipe, photos of your brewery, etc. Whatever tickles your fancy.

As far as the review you post, type in the brewers forum name, which beer they sent, and then try to describe the beer as best you can and score it with the 1-5 system. Dont be rude is all I expect. Its not a test of reviewing skills, so just chill and have fun with it. If the brewer has comments back, post away, but lets avoid any arguments.

We have 11 participants so far! There were a two or three who said they'd be interested on the original thread that I havent gotten an email from yet.

I got a request for shipping tips. I'll post something on that when the time comes.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 10, 2015, 06:41:31 PM
I was also asked if Mead and Cider were allowed. I say you bet, why not.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 10, 2015, 07:35:57 PM
I was also asked if Mead and Cider were allowed. I say you bet, why not.

+1 i'm pretty sure i've never had mead, so wouldn't mind getting one to try.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on April 10, 2015, 11:27:20 PM
Man I would love to have someone review one of the two mead's i have fermenting however im not liking what they taste like so far so i wont be submitting those on this go around. I hope they turn out as good asmy first two attempts but im only 2 month or so in.  I am looking forward to hearing an honest review of my beer. I want to hear someone really review my stuff other than "wow you brewed this it's great"
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 12, 2015, 08:40:31 PM
16 of us committed so far! 3 more days to get in on it.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 15, 2015, 10:25:43 AM
Cut off for signing up is midnight tonight.  So far there are 18 of us.

After midnight I will send an email with instructions to each participant.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 15, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
Thanks for the idea and all the work Jim!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 15, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
My pleasure! Should be fun
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2015, 11:13:24 AM
Ok, we ended up with 18 of us participating! Woo hoo!

I have sent each of you an email, or a PM with instructions and the info on who you are shipping to.

When you ship, hang on to your tracking number and PM it to your recipient as a courtesy.

Shipping due date is April 30!

Good luck and im looking forward to the reviews and banter.

Jim
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 16, 2015, 02:09:43 PM
I just want to make sure this is right: the person that I am shipping to is NOT the person shipping to me. I thought there was some context here that made me think people were paired up but I PM'd the person I'm sending to let them know when I'm shipping and they are not sending to me. This is not a problem, I'm just making sure I don't end up beerless :'(
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on April 16, 2015, 03:56:14 PM
I'd prefer a one-on-one swap, but if not, oh well, this works.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 16, 2015, 06:52:26 PM
suggestion for now or if too late, next round:


keep the swap 1 to 1-i ship to person shipping to me. this way they can coordinate what and how mcuh they are swapping.
try to coordinate regional proximity to keep shipping costs par for each.


Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on April 16, 2015, 07:06:12 PM
I'd prefer a one-on-one swap, but if not, oh well, this works.

Too bad, Dave… You're getting some "vacuum-brewed" beers whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
There's nothing stopping anyone from PMing any other member at any time and coordinating a one on one beer swap with agreed contracts of precisely what is being sent so there are no surprises or fun involved.

Oops, edited to add ;-)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2015, 08:54:56 PM
I just want to make sure this is right: the person that I am shipping to is NOT the person shipping to me. I thought there was some context here that made me think people were paired up but I PM'd the person I'm sending to let them know when I'm shipping and they are not sending to me. This is not a problem, I'm just making sure I don't end up beerless :'(
Pete, its not one on one. But if everyone follows instructions you should get a tracking number PM by the 30th.

I'm pretty certain none of us will flake or be disappointed.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2015, 09:04:25 PM
It was a random pick, but not a secret anymore so I'll post the list.
Hickory to Braufesor
Braufesor to Secondrowsean
WortHOG to Cascadesrunner
Ynotbrusum to Toby
Secondrowsean to Hickory
Toby to PeteB
Mharding73 to WortHOG
Cascadesrunner to Ynotbrusum
PeteB to Mharding73
Jimmykx250 to Majorvices
Majorvices to Klickitat Jim
Frankenbrew to Jimmykx250
Hoosierbrew to a10t2
Dmtaylor to Frankenbrew
a10t2 to dmtaylor
Mchrispen to Hoosierbrew
Hooper to 3bbrewing
Klickitat Jim to Mchrispen
3bbrewing to Hooper
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 16, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
I'm just making sure I don't end up beerless :'(
You won't.  You'll just have to wait until I get back from my cruise to bottle the 2nd and 3rd beers.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hooper on April 16, 2015, 10:23:38 PM
I'm just making sure I don't end up beerless :'(
You won't.  You'll just have to wait until I get back from my cruise to bottle the 2nd and 3rd beers.

That is funny Toby...and then I thought...no matter what, I'm never beerless...
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 17, 2015, 12:41:57 AM
I just want to make sure this is right: the person that I am shipping to is NOT the person shipping to me. I thought there was some context here that made me think people were paired up but I PM'd the person I'm sending to let them know when I'm shipping and they are not sending to me. This is not a problem, I'm just making sure I don't end up beerless :'(
Pete, its not one on one. But if everyone follows instructions you should get a tracking number PM by the 30th.

I'm pretty certain none of us will flake or be disappointed.
Yep, I got it now. thanks.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 17, 2015, 12:49:07 AM
I bought my bubble wrap and a couple local commercial add alongs. Ship tomorrow hopefully. Crossing my fingers that Matt hasn't had Pelican Cape Kiwanda or Deschutes Hop Henge yet. One is a #1 classic example and the other has a cool story related to my neighborhood. Deschutes was on their way home from Yakima with a few bales of hops and got inspired by out replica of Stonehenge. So they built a Stonehenge out of hop bales when they got home and named the beer after it.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 17, 2015, 01:40:17 PM
I bought my bubble wrap and a couple local commercial add alongs. Ship tomorrow hopefully. Crossing my fingers that Matt hasn't had Pelican Cape Kiwanda or Deschutes Hop Henge yet. One is a #1 classic example and the other has a cool story related to my neighborhood. Deschutes was on their way home from Yakima with a few bales of hops and got inspired by out replica of Stonehenge. So they built a Stonehenge out of hop bales when they got home and named the beer after it.
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale. This is like Christmas except actually good.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on April 17, 2015, 02:28:11 PM
Pete.  You are too kind sir. 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 17, 2015, 02:40:55 PM
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale.

Very nice. Are they ever gonna produce enough to ship out of the area ?  Dying to try it at some point.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 17, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale.

Very nice. Are they ever gonna produce enough to ship out of the area ?  Dying to try it at some point.
My brother who works at the Abbey says they are shipping out of state now. If I remember correctly its in most New England states, NY and maybe California and D.C. I wonder if Jonathan, Eric and Darkside are seeing this in VT, RI, and NH.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 17, 2015, 11:17:48 PM
Matt, box is shipped. Tell Chris hi, the box originally came from him. Tracking number emailed.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 19, 2015, 06:38:18 PM
CascadesRunner / Drew-
3 bombers on the way tomorrow. German Pils, Vienna Mandarina IPA, and Helles Bock.

1Z14T94YP295120047
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on April 19, 2015, 07:03:48 PM
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Matt, box is shipped. Tell Chris hi, the box originally came from him. Tracking number emailed.

Thanks Jim! Will do... gotta catch up with him after their week at the Craft Brewers Conference. Looked like a really good one.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: erockrph on April 20, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale.

Very nice. Are they ever gonna produce enough to ship out of the area ?  Dying to try it at some point.
My brother who works at the Abbey says they are shipping out of state now. If I remember correctly its in most New England states, NY and maybe California and D.C. I wonder if Jonathan, Eric and Darkside are seeing this in VT, RI, and NH.
I'll keep my eye open in RI. I'm pretty sure I've gotten mine in Mass in the past.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: morticaixavier on April 20, 2015, 06:18:53 PM
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale.

Very nice. Are they ever gonna produce enough to ship out of the area ?  Dying to try it at some point.
My brother who works at the Abbey says they are shipping out of state now. If I remember correctly its in most New England states, NY and maybe California and D.C. I wonder if Jonathan, Eric and Darkside are seeing this in VT, RI, and NH.
I'll keep my eye open in RI. I'm pretty sure I've gotten mine in Mass in the past.

I haven't seen it in a store here in VT yet. Someone brought a bottle to homebrew club last month so I tasted some. I'm pretty sure they got it in MA though.

Western MA is a lovely region in ways. if you can avoid the ticks and tornadoes it's a nice place for a camping trip. Plus you are close to VT which is even nicer and (mostly) without tornadoes.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 20, 2015, 09:44:21 PM
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale.

Very nice. Are they ever gonna produce enough to ship out of the area ?  Dying to try it at some point.
My brother who works at the Abbey says they are shipping out of state now. If I remember correctly its in most New England states, NY and maybe California and D.C. I wonder if Jonathan, Eric and Darkside are seeing this in VT, RI, and NH.
I'll keep my eye open in RI. I'm pretty sure I've gotten mine in Mass in the past.

I haven't seen it in a store here in VT yet. Someone brought a bottle to homebrew club last month so I tasted some. I'm pretty sure they got it in MA though.

Western MA is a lovely region in ways. if you can avoid the ticks and tornadoes it's a nice place for a camping trip. Plus you are close to VT which is even nicer and (mostly) without tornadoes.
No ticks in vt?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on April 20, 2015, 10:50:52 PM
Package sent to Wort Hog
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 21, 2015, 09:21:02 AM
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Matt, box is shipped. Tell Chris hi, the box originally came from him. Tracking number emailed.

Thanks Jim! Will do... gotta catch up with him after their week at the Craft Brewers Conference. Looked like a really good one.
I just tracked it. Good lord, it took 3 days to go 100 miles. But its in SLC now. Says its two days out from your door.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: morticaixavier on April 21, 2015, 11:32:58 AM
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale.

Very nice. Are they ever gonna produce enough to ship out of the area ?  Dying to try it at some point.
My brother who works at the Abbey says they are shipping out of state now. If I remember correctly its in most New England states, NY and maybe California and D.C. I wonder if Jonathan, Eric and Darkside are seeing this in VT, RI, and NH.
I'll keep my eye open in RI. I'm pretty sure I've gotten mine in Mass in the past.

I haven't seen it in a store here in VT yet. Someone brought a bottle to homebrew club last month so I tasted some. I'm pretty sure they got it in MA though.

Western MA is a lovely region in ways. if you can avoid the ticks and tornadoes it's a nice place for a camping trip. Plus you are close to VT which is even nicer and (mostly) without tornadoes.
No ticks in vt?

plenty of ticks, fewer tornadoes.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 21, 2015, 12:49:07 PM
I'm going to add a Spencer Abbey Ale.

Very nice. Are they ever gonna produce enough to ship out of the area ?  Dying to try it at some point.
My brother who works at the Abbey says they are shipping out of state now. If I remember correctly its in most New England states, NY and maybe California and D.C. I wonder if Jonathan, Eric and Darkside are seeing this in VT, RI, and NH.
I'll keep my eye open in RI. I'm pretty sure I've gotten mine in Mass in the past.

I haven't seen it in a store here in VT yet. Someone brought a bottle to homebrew club last month so I tasted some. I'm pretty sure they got it in MA though.

Western MA is a lovely region in ways. if you can avoid the ticks and tornadoes it's a nice place for a camping trip. Plus you are close to VT which is even nicer and (mostly) without tornadoes.
No ticks in vt?

plenty of ticks, fewer tornadoes.

few earth quakes time to time...at least when I lived there.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: morticaixavier on April 21, 2015, 02:23:03 PM
on occasion. not quite as often as CA though.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: erockrph on April 21, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
on occasion. not quite as often as CA though.
And not as strong; that's for sure. The ones I've felt down here in RI have been similar to walking on a cruise ship in medium seas, at best. And those where in the low 3's on the Richter scale
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 22, 2015, 12:49:12 AM
I can only recall one big tornado in western mass, the one about 3 or 4 years ago that went from Springfield to Sturbridge. Not quite a hotbed. And barely western mass.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hooper on April 22, 2015, 10:56:00 AM
Brian,

Check is in the mail...USPS 9405503699300040142769

Simcoe Tris Pale, India Red Ale, Soma Saison

I double boxed and there is a note shoved between the 2 boxes...
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 22, 2015, 11:46:03 AM
Can't wait to see some reviews. Maybe next time we can take more time. I would love to have someone review some of my favorites as opposed to what I happen to have in the pipeline. That being said I'm impressed by how quickly Jim got this off the ground and how well it seems to be going. Its like he was in the Marines or something.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on April 22, 2015, 05:24:10 PM
Can't wait to see some reviews. Maybe next time we can take more time. I would love to have someone review some of my favorites as opposed to what I happen to have in the pipeline. That being said I'm impressed by how quickly Jim got this off the ground and how well it seems to be going. Its like he was in the Marines or something.

I agree - great job getting it organized and underway quickly.  I would love to do a swap from time to time and plan ahead better (personally) as well to have certain beers ready to roll. I too will be sending the beers I happen to have at this time.... been going through an experimental kick with American Pale Ales quite a bit recently, so I have several of those on deck.
I have swapped beer with several different folks (some on here) and have found it really beneficial to my brewing.  I live in a very rural area, no real highly organized clubs (just brewing friends getting together), no BJCP folks around..... so having a chance to get some feedback and opinions, as well as taste others brew and learn about their process is great.  I know that the communication I have had with a half dozen other brewers via beer exchanges and the ensuing feedback/conversation has helped me improve as a brewer.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 22, 2015, 11:06:35 PM
Thanks guys. Let's see how this goes. If its a hit, maybe we'll tweak the procedure a bit and try it again in the fall. Summer and winter are busy times and not the best conditions for shipping. For now, the train has barely left the station. Lets see how it goes.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 22, 2015, 11:30:51 PM
Sent my box UPS today to Toby in Baton Rouge.  I agree, Jim, great job putting this together so quickly. Worst case scenario, someone might have to re-send if the package does not make it through.  I used plastic (PET) brown pint bottles but wrapped one commercial brew bottle in buble wrap and put it in a ziplock just in case.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2015, 05:58:27 AM
Great tip. Try to prevent breakage,  but just in case try to contain leakage. One leaker can cause the whole box to be discarded.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2015, 06:03:04 AM
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Matt, box is shipped. Tell Chris hi, the box originally came from him. Tracking number emailed.

Thanks Jim! Will do... gotta catch up with him after their week at the Craft Brewers Conference. Looked like a really good one.
I just tracked it. Good lord, it took 3 days to go 100 miles. But its in SLC now. Says its two days out from your door.
Its in Mesquite, Tx. Delivers tomorrow. 

This is worse than sending your kids to camp. Lol
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 23, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
Well my beer swap arrives here today, and should be plenty cold seeing as we got couple inches of snow!
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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 23, 2015, 11:22:05 AM
Damn Ken, I thought we had a long winter. We still have some persistent snow in shady areas but its been beautiful the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 23, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
Thanks guys. Let's see how this goes. If its a hit, maybe we'll tweak the procedure a bit and try it again in the fall. Summer and winter are busy times and not the best conditions for shipping. For now, the train has barely left the station. Lets see how it goes.
I totally agree. I think what we are doing now is great. My suggestions are not criticisms about this but brainstorming for next time. Also agree that shipping in the summer isn't great. I think mid September at the earliest.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 23, 2015, 11:27:46 AM
Damn Ken, I thought we had a long winter. We still have some persistent snow in shady areas but its been beautiful the last two weeks.

well it was nice here and grass growing.....but then the snow last night.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 23, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
Damn Ken, I thought we had a long winter. We still have some persistent snow in shady areas but its been beautiful the last two weeks.

well it was nice here and grass growing.....but then the snow last night.

I feel your pain, Ken.  It seems to happen to me the day or two after I remove the snow plow and put the mower deck on my lawn tractor...like it's winters last kick in the pants.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2015, 11:53:32 AM
Thanks guys. Let's see how this goes. If its a hit, maybe we'll tweak the procedure a bit and try it again in the fall. Summer and winter are busy times and not the best conditions for shipping. For now, the train has barely left the station. Lets see how it goes.
I totally agree. I think what we are doing now is great. My suggestions are not criticisms about this but brainstorming for next time. Also agree that shipping in the summer isn't great. I think mid September at the earliest.
I'm tracking ya. All good.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 23, 2015, 09:59:25 PM
Package sent to Wort Hog

package received and in the fridge chilling. thanks
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on April 23, 2015, 10:01:05 PM
@hoosierbrew - package is on it's way. I will post the tracking number when it is sent to me. Fedex - supposed to arrive either Sat or Mon/Tue. Enjoy!

Jim - looks like the package arrives this evening. Looking forward to it! And thanks for taking the time to organize it. Cheers!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 23, 2015, 10:04:51 PM
@hoosierbrew - package is on it's way. I will post the tracking number when it is sent to me. Fedex - supposed to arrive either Sat or Mon/Tue. Enjoy!

Jim - looks like the package arrives this evening. Looking forward to it! And thanks for taking the time to organize it. Cheers!

Awesome, Matt. I look forward to it !
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on April 23, 2015, 11:21:17 PM
Jim, arrived and safe. I need a week to clear my congestion (damned allergies) and chill these down but looking forward to these!

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 24, 2015, 12:00:55 AM
Jim, arrived and safe. I need a week to clear my congestion (damned allergies) and chill these down but looking forward to these!

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That's a generous offering!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 24, 2015, 12:11:12 AM
Good news. Thats awesome! I was sort of hoping that the commercial stuff was new to you. Pelican won best small brewery last year at GABF. Good stuff I think.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on April 24, 2015, 12:13:15 AM
Yeah the commercial bottles are new to me. Fan of Rogue, but we only get a few styles down here and it's been a while since I bought any.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 24, 2015, 01:10:48 AM
Cool. Get well and enjoy. No rush on my end. The homebrew bombers should go first, they were filled off a keg.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jaftak22 on April 24, 2015, 04:44:05 AM
Cool. Get well and enjoy. No rush on my end. The homebrew bombers should go first, they were filled off a keg.

Jim I don't know if this is feasible, but I think what you have put together is amazing. This is something that should be done again. Did not get to participate as I have been out of the loop. What a great way to tie our community together in such a way.

I feel as though we need to do this Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: brulosopher on April 24, 2015, 04:48:39 AM
I'm bummed I missed this! Next time... always next time. If I catch it, I'll send some xBmt beers in addition to the exchange beers :)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 24, 2015, 05:39:13 AM
Thanks guys. Lets see how well this first one goes and take it from there.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 24, 2015, 04:54:44 PM
CascadesRunner / Drew-
3 bombers on the way tomorrow. German Pils, Vienna Mandarina IPA, and Helles Bock.

1Z14T94YP295120047

Drew-delivers today. all 3 bombers were keg filled, so don't worry about settling. just chill and enjoy  ;D
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 24, 2015, 05:28:11 PM
CascadesRunner / Drew-
3 bombers on the way tomorrow. German Pils, Vienna Mandarina IPA, and Helles Bock.

1Z14T94YP295120047

Drew-delivers today. all 3 bombers were keg filled, so don't worry about settling. just chill and enjoy  ;D

Toby - they should be there shortly, but I don't know if they will try delivery  on a weekend, if they get there that quick.  Like Ken, all of the HB was bottled from Keg, so chill and swill.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 24, 2015, 05:42:21 PM
Toby - they should be there shortly, but I don't know if they will try delivery  on a weekend, if they get there that quick.  Like Ken, all of the HB was bottled from Keg, so chill and swill.
Nope, UPS doesn't deliver on weekends to the office, so I assume Monday or Tuesday.  Tracking hasn't updated yet with a delivery estimate.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 24, 2015, 10:43:08 PM
Mark-

tried my first beer of two. the APA. will be writing up this weekend.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: 3bbrewing on April 25, 2015, 08:44:58 PM
Glenn - I got 'em!  In the frig chillin and on the docket for tonight.  Thank you!  Yours are on their way via UPS. 

Jim - great job putting this together.  I echo the positives that others have already said.  Nicely done...
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 26, 2015, 04:27:14 PM
Reminder: 4 more days to ship.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on April 27, 2015, 12:29:31 AM
JIMMYkx260,

Beer is on the way! A kolsch, an IPA, and a barrel-aged Belgian golden strong. I also sent a surprise from Hill Farmstead. The kolsch and IPA were bottled off the tap, but you'll need to let the golden strong settle out. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on April 27, 2015, 02:23:00 AM
Mine is all boxed up and will ship to SecondRow_Sean tomorrow. Some experimental APA's, a second-runnings Black Lager and some local commercial brews.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 27, 2015, 12:49:21 PM
Brewer: Mark Harding
Beer: Cascade Pale Ale 1
Style: APA (10A)


Bottle Inspection:  proper fill with layer of sediment on bottom.   

Aroma:  moderate to strong citrus aroma when opened that continues to dominate into the glass. Light caramel notes with fruity character. Very slight grassy notes from dry hops, although not a significant detraction.  No other fermentation defaults detected. 9/12

Appearance: large thick off white head that persists. Color is light golden amber color. Moderate-high yeast sediment- could benefit from cold crash before bottling. 2/3

Flavor:  Clean hoppiness that dominates up front with caramel and bready notes in the background that seems sweet at first but finishes moderately dry. Hop bitterness is smooth and has slight grassy finish – dry hop driven. Hop flavor is fruity and citrus dominate and balance well with malt. 16/20

Mouthfeel: medium body with moderately high carbonation. Smooth hop bitterness with moderate-high crisp dry finish. 4/5

Overall Impression:  very nice example of style. Caramel malt may be a touch too much (personal preference), and may consider dialing it back in conjunction with the grist profile that has munich and Vienna. I noted the yeast sediment as moderately high-while I did let the bottle set after receiving, it seemed a touch to cloudy and the high yeast sediment could be detracting from the beer. If not cold crashing might be an opportunity to reduce this. Doesn’t need to be clear IMO, just a little less sediment. Very nice thick head and very good retention. Carbonation is possibly just a touch high, but not to the point it significantly detracts. The late hop schedule and level of gypsum is evident- smooth bitterness, dry finish with strong hop flavor and aroma that doesn’t fade. I did detect a slight grassy note in the smell and finish – not necessarily a fault just personal preference to make note of and evaluate the dry hop schedule. Very nice beer single-hop APA that was easy and pleasant to drink Mark! 8/10


Total Score: 39/50
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on April 27, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
JIMMYkx260,

Beer is on the way! A kolsch, an IPA, and a barrel-aged Belgian golden strong. I also sent a surprise from Hill Farmstead. The kolsch and IPA were bottled off the tap, but you'll need to let the golden strong settle out. Enjoy!

Looking forward to them all!! Thanks and will review promptly.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 27, 2015, 05:46:15 PM
Good review WortHog
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on April 27, 2015, 05:59:37 PM
Stealing Wort's nice formatting :)

Brewer: Jim Leininger
Beer: Munich Dunkel
Style: Munich Dunkel (4B)


Bottle Inspection:  Brown Bomber, high fill, black crown

Aroma:  Malt sweetness, toast, light caramel. No DMS or Diacetyl. No hop aroma. Slight dark fruit or cut plum aroma, caramel and toffee as it warms up. 9/12

Appearance: Clear coppery brown with red highlights. Tan head, creamy with some large bubbles. Some lacing - medium high carbonation. 3/3

Flavor:  Medium sweetness. Rich malt. Good balance toward malt. Slight toast finish. Some chocolate and toast support complexity, but not muddled. Flavors open as it warms up. 14/20

Mouthfeel: Medium to light body. Tingly carbonation. No astringency, soft, slightly warming without apparent alcohol. Easy to drink. 5/5

Overall Impression:  Excellent example to style. What I would expect from a fresh and well executed beer in Munich! Wish I had a sausage platter and some great mustard to pair! Great Job! 8/10


Total Score: 39/50

My sinuses seem mostly recovered. I sampled this slowly out of a goblet (rather than the proper glassware) to ensure I could pickup aroma. Take my aroma comments with a grain of salt - but really enjoyed this... and the chance to practice judging. Plan to scan the score sheets and email them to you when done. I think I agree with your comments on malt choice - but this was very well done and should score high. The slight ester (could be my recovering sinuses) prevented this from being a 40 on my sheet. You might have someone else see if they pick that up.

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on April 27, 2015, 06:04:32 PM
Mine is all boxed up and will ship to SecondRow_Sean tomorrow. Some experimental APA's, a second-runnings Black Lager and some local commercial brews.

I'm currently eyeballing every UPS/FedEx truck that goes by my house.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 27, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
Stealing Wort's nice formatting :)

Brewer: Jim Leininger
Beer: Munich Dunkel
Style: Munich Dunkel (4B)


Bottle Inspection:  Brown Bomber, high fill, black crown

Aroma:  Malt sweetness, toast, light caramel. No DMS or Diacetyl. No hop aroma. Slight dark fruit or cut plum aroma, caramel and toffee as it warms up. 9/12

Appearance: Clear coppery brown with red highlights. Tan head, creamy with some large bubbles. Some lacing - medium high carbonation. 3/3

Flavor:  Medium sweetness. Rich malt. Good balance toward malt. Slight toast finish. Some chocolate and toast support complexity, but not muddled. Flavors open as it warms up. 14/20

Mouthfeel: Medium to light body. Tingly carbonation. No astringency, soft, slightly warming without apparent alcohol. Easy to drink. 5/5

Overall Impression:  Excellent example to style. What I would expect from a fresh and well executed beer in Munich! Wish I had a sausage platter and some great mustard to pair! Great Job! 8/10


Total Score: 39/50

My sinuses seem mostly recovered. I sampled this slowly out of a goblet (rather than the proper glassware) to ensure I could pickup aroma. Take my aroma comments with a grain of salt - but really enjoyed this... and the chance to practice judging. Plan to scan the score sheets and email them to you when done. I think I agree with your comments on malt choice - but this was very well done and should score high. The slight ester (could be my recovering sinuses) prevented this from being a 40 on my sheet. You might have someone else see if they pick that up.

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Hey thats good news Matt. Thanks for the great write up. I'm really looking forward to my next batch that's all Best Malz.  You gave me some encouragement, I might have to enter this beer and see how it does in a comp. Thanks!

Edit: The ester... you're talking about the fruitiness on the nose? I wonder if that could be from the great western dark munich? If I detect it in the batch thats all best malz, I think I will change the way I cold crash next time. Slow drop rather than immediate. Maybe its being expressed by the yeast from the rapid drop? But I'll know pretty soon if its malt bill.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on April 27, 2015, 11:09:50 PM
Brewer: Mark Harding
Beer: Cascade Pale Ale 1
Style: APA (10A)


Bottle Inspection:  proper fill with layer of sediment on bottom.   

Aroma:  moderate to strong citrus aroma when opened that continues to dominate into the glass. Light caramel notes with fruity character. Very slight grassy notes from dry hops, although not a significant detraction.  No other fermentation defaults detected. 9/12

Appearance: large thick off white head that persists. Color is light golden amber color. Moderate-high yeast sediment- could benefit from cold crash before bottling. 2/3

Flavor:  Clean hoppiness that dominates up front with caramel and bready notes in the background that seems sweet at first but finishes moderately dry. Hop bitterness is smooth and has slight grassy finish – dry hop driven. Hop flavor is fruity and citrus dominate and balance well with malt. 16/20

Mouthfeel: medium body with moderately high carbonation. Smooth hop bitterness with moderate-high crisp dry finish. 4/5

Overall Impression:  very nice example of style. Caramel malt may be a touch too much (personal preference), and may consider dialing it back in conjunction with the grist profile that has munich and Vienna. I noted the yeast sediment as moderately high-while I did let the bottle set after receiving, it seemed a touch to cloudy and the high yeast sediment could be detracting from the beer. If not cold crashing might be an opportunity to reduce this. Doesn’t need to be clear IMO, just a little less sediment. Very nice thick head and very good retention. Carbonation is possibly just a touch high, but not to the point it significantly detracts. The late hop schedule and level of gypsum is evident- smooth bitterness, dry finish with strong hop flavor and aroma that doesn’t fade. I did detect a slight grassy note in the smell and finish – not necessarily a fault just personal preference to make note of and evaluate the dry hop schedule. Very nice beer single-hop APA that was easy and pleasant to drink Mark! 8/10


Total Score: 39/50

Thanks for the good review Wort Hog.  It was nice to hear a detailed review like this.
I plan to cold crash more often but sometimes hard with only a water cooler. I could just add ice huh? I was able to pretty easy in the winter just in the garage. Maybe a freezer upgrade in the future.  Looking forward to your review on the IPA soon.
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 27, 2015, 11:16:18 PM
Brewer: Mark Harding
Beer: Cascade Pale Ale 1
Style: APA (10A)


Bottle Inspection:  proper fill with layer of sediment on bottom.   

Aroma:  moderate to strong citrus aroma when opened that continues to dominate into the glass. Light caramel notes with fruity character. Very slight grassy notes from dry hops, although not a significant detraction.  No other fermentation defaults detected. 9/12

Appearance: large thick off white head that persists. Color is light golden amber color. Moderate-high yeast sediment- could benefit from cold crash before bottling. 2/3

Flavor:  Clean hoppiness that dominates up front with caramel and bready notes in the background that seems sweet at first but finishes moderately dry. Hop bitterness is smooth and has slight grassy finish – dry hop driven. Hop flavor is fruity and citrus dominate and balance well with malt. 16/20

Mouthfeel: medium body with moderately high carbonation. Smooth hop bitterness with moderate-high crisp dry finish. 4/5

Overall Impression:  very nice example of style. Caramel malt may be a touch too much (personal preference), and may consider dialing it back in conjunction with the grist profile that has munich and Vienna. I noted the yeast sediment as moderately high-while I did let the bottle set after receiving, it seemed a touch to cloudy and the high yeast sediment could be detracting from the beer. If not cold crashing might be an opportunity to reduce this. Doesn’t need to be clear IMO, just a little less sediment. Very nice thick head and very good retention. Carbonation is possibly just a touch high, but not to the point it significantly detracts. The late hop schedule and level of gypsum is evident- smooth bitterness, dry finish with strong hop flavor and aroma that doesn’t fade. I did detect a slight grassy note in the smell and finish – not necessarily a fault just personal preference to make note of and evaluate the dry hop schedule. Very nice beer single-hop APA that was easy and pleasant to drink Mark! 8/10


Total Score: 39/50

Thanks for the good review Wort Hog.  It was nice to hear a detailed review like this.
I plan to cold crash more often but sometimes hard with only a water cooler. I could just add ice huh? I was able to pretty easy in the winter just in the garage. Maybe a freezer upgrade in the future.  Looking forward to your review on the IPA soon.

My pleasure. Keep in mind I am not a judge, and  have no qualifications in that field. I just tried to take my observations and apply the language of a judge. I've read a bunch of material on evaluating , so I did my best. At the end of the day, I just applied my own experience with what's good about a beer to me, and made a point to identify personal preferences vs. detractors or flaws.
 Edit: yes ice bath for few days could certainly help. Always a way to get there, even without a fridge or keezer.

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 27, 2015, 11:26:27 PM
And you did a great job! That was above and beyond what im hoping for.

For others who don't feel like expert beer judges or writers, dont sweat it. Do your best, write what you perceive, be honest but polite. Its all good. No one is going to be beat up for not being bjcp master quality.

The format being used so far is great, but not required. Looking forward to all the stuff yet to come.

By the way, if you end up getting commercial goodies, feel free to comment on those. Probably dont have to worry about technique tips LOL. But it would be fun to read people's thoughts, especially if its something new to you.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 27, 2015, 11:36:27 PM
Yeah, nice job Ken. I wasn't planning to use that format but I think I will now. I'm not a BJCP but I think I can ballpark it fairly accurately.


EDIT - At least enough not to embarrass myself.    ;D
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 27, 2015, 11:37:06 PM

And you did a great job! That was above and beyond what im hoping for.

For others who don't feel like expert beer judges or writers, dont sweat it. Do your best, write what you perceive, be honest but polite. Its all good. No one is going to be beat up for not being bjcp master quality.

The format being used so far is great, but not required. Looking forward to all the stuff yet to come.

By the way, if you end up getting commercial goodies, feel free to comment on those. Probably dont have to worry about technique tips LOL. But it would be fun to read people's thoughts, especially if its something new to you.

Well thanks Jim. I was a little intimidated doing it that way, and just wanted to do my best to offer mark my perspective while being clear I'm not a judge.

I agree, anyone wanting to try that level and format of write up should. Good opportunity to learn and to become more aware of the process.


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on April 28, 2015, 12:09:45 AM
Quote
The ester... you're talking about the fruitiness on the nose? I wonder if that could be from the great western dark munich? If I detect it in the batch thats all best malz, I think I will change the way I cold crash next time. Slow drop rather than immediate. Maybe its being expressed by the yeast from the rapid drop? But I'll know pretty soon if its malt bill.

Jim, that is certainly possible, but I still don't totally trust my nose. It came across as a cut plum, maybe a grilled plum (but no smokiness). If it is the yeast, it's very subtle, but came out as it warmed up a bit, say close to 55F or so. It is something I get quite a bit in my dubbel and like - but attribute it to some Special B and chocolate and the yeast character. There were no other esters I detected. I tend to cold crash pretty hard - never had an issue from the yeast throwing weird esters from that - but others may have different experience.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 28, 2015, 03:04:26 AM
Quote
The ester... you're talking about the fruitiness on the nose? I wonder if that could be from the great western dark munich? If I detect it in the batch thats all best malz, I think I will change the way I cold crash next time. Slow drop rather than immediate. Maybe its being expressed by the yeast from the rapid drop? But I'll know pretty soon if its malt bill.

Jim, that is certainly possible, but I still don't totally trust my nose. It came across as a cut plum, maybe a grilled plum (but no smokiness). If it is the yeast, it's very subtle, but came out as it warmed up a bit, say close to 55F or so. It is something I get quite a bit in my dubbel and like - but attribute it to some Special B and chocolate and the yeast character. There were no other esters I detected. I tend to cold crash pretty hard - never had an issue from the yeast throwing weird esters from that - but others may have different experience.
Well I think I trust your plugged nose more than my decrepit one. I think I know what you're talking about and I'm thinking its the GW 20L munich. I'll get to the bottom of it.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 28, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
Dunked is one of my favorite styles, Jim.  The caramel could be from the 20L* Munich and the ester could be from the yeast, if it is slight.  Maybe try a Munich 10L* along with a slow drop to rock the yeast to sleep?  That should limit both of those aspects a bit...but that sounds like it was a darn tasty beer.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 28, 2015, 11:25:11 AM
Right on. Ya, its getting closer to what I want it to be. Hopefully I still like dunkels by the time I get it nailed down LOL
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: erockrph on April 28, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
Right on. Ya, its getting closer to what I want it to be. Hopefully I still like dunkels by the time I get it nailed down LOL
I'm the same way. I have ADHD with brewing. If I brew a style a lot I end up getting bored with it for a while.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 28, 2015, 08:28:58 PM
My too, but its nice to have a squared away recipe to come back to.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 28, 2015, 09:28:20 PM
I'm the same way. I have ADHD with brewing. If I brew a style a lot I end up getting bored with it for a while.

I'm the same, too. About the time I feel I've got a good handle on brewing a style, I don't brew it again for awhile.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 28, 2015, 09:43:23 PM
I'm the same way. I have ADHD with brewing. If I brew a style a lot I end up getting bored with it for a while.

I'm the same, too. About the time I feel I've got a good handle on brewing a style, I don't brew it again for awhile.

liking riding a bike (or motorcycle)...once you got it you down you can always pick it back up down the road when you get the urge.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 29, 2015, 12:05:06 AM
Brewer: Jerry Hodge (ynotbrusum)
Beer: German Pilsner
Style: German Pilsner (2A)

Bottle Inspection:  Mr. Beer 0.5L, no sediment   

Aroma:  Moderate low spicy hops with a low graham cracker malt aroma at the backend. An initial hint of sweet corn which fades quickly. Light floral hints. No diacetyl or esters detected. 10/12

Appearance: Pale gold with one finger white head which dissipates quickly to a fine white creamy crown. Very good clarity. 2/3

Flavor:  Light honey graham maltiness with a soft but slightly tangy bitterness. Very low sweet corn. Clean finish. Balance only slightly to bitterness which does not linger. No diacetyl. 14/20

Mouthfeel: Medium-light bodied with moderate carbonation. No astringency or diacetyl slickness. Not as dry as expected. 4/5

Overall Impression: Excellent beer. Clean and refreshing, but could use some minor tweaks for style. I would probably start with adding 2 or 3 grams of gypsum per 5 gallons to accentuate the bitterness and crispness a bit more. It has a softer bitterness more reminiscent of a Bohemian Pils to me. Head retention is also on the low side. I would add 1/2# of carafoam or flaked wheat to the mash per 5 gallons, or add another step to the mash to raise the temp to ~158 for 15-20 minutes. 8/10


Total Score: 38/50

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 29, 2015, 03:04:29 AM
Thanks, Toby.  Yes, it is probably more of a bohemian Pilsner, but my IBUs  crept up to where I called it a German Pilsner, because I used Hersbrucker, IIRC.  Glad you liked it, though.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 29, 2015, 04:49:05 AM
Brewer: Jerry Hodge (ynotbrusum)
Beer: German Pilsner
Style: German Pilsner (2A)

Bottle Inspection:  Mr. Beer 0.5L, no sediment   

Aroma:  Moderate low spicy hops with a low graham cracker malt aroma at the backend. An initial hint of sweet corn which fades quickly. Light floral hints. No diacetyl or esters detected. 10/12

Appearance: Pale gold with one finger white head which dissipates quickly to a fine white creamy crown. Very good clarity. 2/3

Flavor:  Light honey graham maltiness with a soft but slightly tangy bitterness. Very low sweet corn. Clean finish. Balance only slightly to bitterness which does not linger. No diacetyl. 14/20

Mouthfeel: Medium-light bodied with moderate carbonation. No astringency or diacetyl slickness. Not as dry as expected. 4/5

Overall Impression: Excellent beer. Clean and refreshing, but could use some minor tweaks for style. I would probably start with adding 2 or 3 grams of gypsum per 5 gallons to accentuate the bitterness and crispness a bit more. It has a softer bitterness more reminiscent of a Bohemian Pils to me. Head retention is also on the low side. I would add 1/2# of carafoam or flaked wheat to the mash per 5 gallons, or add another step to the mash to raise the temp to ~158 for 15-20 minutes. 8/10


Total Score: 38/50

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That's a gorgeous beer. And the description seems like what I could drink a ton of.

Toby, what if it was stand alone? In other words how many points lost for style issues?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 29, 2015, 11:25:36 AM
Are there any issues mailing a bottle conditioned beer that's only been bottled a few days?
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 29, 2015, 11:49:50 AM
Are there any issues mailing a bottle conditioned beer that's only been bottled a few days?
Over primed Bottle bomb? That would get a drivers attention!


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 29, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
Are there any issues mailing a bottle conditioned beer that's only been bottled a few days?
Over primed Bottle bomb? That would get a drivers attention!


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It shouldn't be over-primed. I measure with a scale and use a calculator and haven't had any issues with priming solution not getting mixed in. Its an English IPA, forget the volumes of co2 but not that high.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 29, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
Are there any issues mailing a bottle conditioned beer that's only been bottled a few days?
Over primed Bottle bomb? That would get a drivers attention!


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It shouldn't be over-primed. I measure with a scale and use a calculator and haven't had any issues with priming solution not getting mixed in. Its an English IPA, forget the volumes of co2 but not that high.

not specific to you or your practices Pete. just possible in general was my thought.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 29, 2015, 01:57:03 PM
Are there any issues mailing a bottle conditioned beer that's only been bottled a few days?
Over primed Bottle bomb? That would get a drivers attention!


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It shouldn't be over-primed. I measure with a scale and use a calculator and haven't had any issues with priming solution not getting mixed in. Its an English IPA, forget the volumes of co2 but not that high.

not specific to you or your practices Pete. just possible in general was my thought.
Yea, in theory it should not be a problem but I won't have the benefit of having a couple weeks to KNOW there are no bottle bombs. I might skip adding it to my package.
EDIT: I definitely wouldn't want to add a bottle bomb to my package if you know what I'm saying. :o
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 29, 2015, 02:00:17 PM
That's a gorgeous beer. And the description seems like what I could drink a ton of.
It was very crushable.  Also, the 'haze' that you see isn't haze.  It's condensation on the glass.
Quote
Toby, what if it was stand alone? In other words how many points lost for style issues?
That was pretty much it.  A couple points for appearance and mouthfeel (head retention and a touch undercarbed, but I chalked the latter up to the PET bottles possibly not handling shipping as well as glass).  I completely understand Jerry's dilemma, though.  My 'Kolsch' that I'm sending out tomorrow is line straddler like that.  LHBS was out of my usual Spalt, so I subbed Hallertau, but didn't notice the AA was way over my normal numbers (almost double).  It comes off as a Kolsch/German Pils hybrid for that reason.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on April 29, 2015, 10:29:25 PM
JIMMYkx260,

Beer is on the way! A kolsch, an IPA, and a barrel-aged Belgian golden strong. I also sent a surprise from Hill Farmstead. The kolsch and IPA were bottled off the tap, but you'll need to let the golden strong settle out. Enjoy!
Frank-
Your way to kind and I have to admit I am intimidated reviewing your beers. Packing was great no problems and everyone is settling in the fridge. I will let them sit a few days and get to reviewing. Like I said im a novice (just at one year now) and have never reviewed any ones beer before so please give me a little leeway. I am looking forward to having my beer reviewed critically for the first time as the only people who have had my home brew really are not reviewing my beer and I always wonder if they are being 100% honest. Thanks again-
Jim
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 29, 2015, 10:38:16 PM
jimmykx250 -  Don't sweat it. This is just a fun thing. You don't have to give a formal review - write what your senses pick up on, what you think. No worries ! RDWHSEHB ( relax, don't worry, have SOMEONE ELSE'S homebrew).    ;D
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on April 29, 2015, 11:51:04 PM
JIMMYkx260,

Beer is on the way! A kolsch, an IPA, and a barrel-aged Belgian golden strong. I also sent a surprise from Hill Farmstead. The kolsch and IPA were bottled off the tap, but you'll need to let the golden strong settle out. Enjoy!
Frank-
Your way to kind and I have to admit I am intimidated reviewing your beers. Packing was great no problems and everyone is settling in the fridge. I will let them sit a few days and get to reviewing. Like I said im a novice (just at one year now) and have never reviewed any ones beer before so please give me a little leeway. I am looking forward to having my beer reviewed critically for the first time as the only people who have had my home brew really are not reviewing my beer and I always wonder if they are being 100% honest. Thanks again-
Jim

Yeah, no worries, Jim! I'm an old hand at sharing, being reviewed, and the whole competition thing. So, just relax, enjoy the beer and be honest. You'll be fine.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 30, 2015, 02:11:26 AM
REMINDER: Tomorrow is shipping due date.

Hypothetically, by tomorrow night we each will have received an email with a tracking number. At least communication as to shipping plans. I hope to not have to follow up on that stuff for folks. But, if you have not gotten a tracking number, beer, or a communicated agreement as to when your stuff will be shipped by May 10, feel free to send me an email or PM and I will reach out with a more personal reminder. But lets avoid that and end up with 100% happy campers.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on April 30, 2015, 03:25:07 AM
Frank, you'll be receiving a little something that looks like this.  FedEx Tracking number 773491423973.  I'll be shipping probably Friday if that's alright with you -- the box is already packed but I don't think I can drop off with the shipper until Friday when I'm off work.

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af341/dmtaylo1/frank.jpg) (http://s1022.photobucket.com/user/dmtaylo1/media/frank.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on April 30, 2015, 10:18:11 AM
Man that sounds like a fun grouping. Way to go!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on April 30, 2015, 11:49:36 AM
Frank, you'll be receiving a little something that looks like this.  FedEx Tracking number 773491423973.  I'll be shipping probably Friday if that's alright with you -- the box is already packed but I don't think I can drop off with the shipper until Friday when I'm off work.

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af341/dmtaylo1/frank.jpg) (http://s1022.photobucket.com/user/dmtaylo1/media/frank.jpg.html)

Great, Dave! I'm looking forward to tasting this creative offering of beers. I'm really glad that most of them will take me to places I usually don't go.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 30, 2015, 01:57:09 PM
REMINDER: Tomorrow is shipping due date.

Hypothetically, by tomorrow night we each will have received an email with a tracking number. At least communication as to shipping plans. I hope to not have to follow up on that stuff for folks. But, if you have not gotten a tracking number, beer, or a communicated agreement as to when your stuff will be shipped by May 10, feel free to send me an email or PM and I will reach out with a more personal reminder. But lets avoid that and end up with 100% happy campers.

Mine is sitting by the back door waiting for FedEx to pick it up.  Just messaged Peter with tracking number, notes, and Untappd links.  I actually bottled a couple extras of the ones I just bottled to use as extras in trades.  I almost never bottle, so I figured if I was cleaning and sanitizing bottling stuff anyway...
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 30, 2015, 02:07:21 PM
REMINDER: Tomorrow is shipping due date.

Hypothetically, by tomorrow night we each will have received an email with a tracking number. At least communication as to shipping plans. I hope to not have to follow up on that stuff for folks. But, if you have not gotten a tracking number, beer, or a communicated agreement as to when your stuff will be shipped by May 10, feel free to send me an email or PM and I will reach out with a more personal reminder. But lets avoid that and end up with 100% happy campers.

Mine is sitting by the back door waiting for FedEx to pick it up.  Just messaged Peter with tracking number, notes, and Untappd links.  I actually bottled a couple extras of the ones I just bottled to use as extras in trades.  I almost never bottle, so I figured if I was cleaning and sanitizing bottling stuff anyway...
Thanks Toby! BTW I have never judged a beer in the format people are doing with points. I don't really want my first time to beer here so I'll use the established areas to analyze: looks, aroma,etc. but not do points when I put up reviews. I think my descriptions will be more helpful at this point.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 30, 2015, 02:16:20 PM
Mark (MHarding) I left your package for UPS to pick up at work today. They come almost every day but every once in a while don't so pretty sure they will go out today.
I didn't have time to put descriptions with the beers, just labeled with tape.
I sent:
Cranberry Mead: made with fresh cranberries from Cape Cod
Bretted Peach Saison: A rhubarb saison I made last summer then racked onto fresh peaches from my tree and Brett L. last August
Rye Saison
American Dark Something: wasn't going by style, just trying to make something that was quaffable, malty but not too sweet, bitter but not hop forward. Ended up sort of porter like but more red in color without much roast.
I also threw in a nice fresh Spencer Abbey Ale.
All the homebrews are bottle conditioned BTW.
I'll PM you in the next couple days with more descriptions of each homebrew and tracking.


Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 30, 2015, 03:01:04 PM
Thanks Toby! BTW I have never judged a beer in the format people are doing with points. I don't really want my first time to beer here so I'll use the established areas to analyze: looks, aroma,etc. but not do points when I put up reviews. I think my descriptions will be more helpful at this point.
No worries.  However you're comfortable with reviewing is cool with me.  I'm probably my own harshest critic where styles and competitions are concerned, but I generally don't brew for competitions anyway.  It's more of a 'this beer would go well as a XXXX, so that's how I'll enter it' kind of thing.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on April 30, 2015, 06:45:49 PM
Mark (MHarding) I left your package for UPS to pick up at work today. They come almost every day but every once in a while don't so pretty sure they will go out today.
I didn't have time to put descriptions with the beers, just labeled with tape.
I sent:
Cranberry Mead: made with fresh cranberries from Cape Cod
Bretted Peach Saison: A rhubarb saison I made last summer then racked onto fresh peaches from my tree and Brett L. last August
Rye Saison
American Dark Something: wasn't going by style, just trying to make something that was quaffable, malty but not too sweet, bitter but not hop forward. Ended up sort of porter like but more red in color without much roast.
I also threw in a nice fresh Spencer Abbey Ale.
All the homebrews are bottle conditioned BTW.
I'll PM you in the next couple days with more descriptions of each homebrew and tracking.
Update: UPS did come and take the packages today.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 30, 2015, 10:02:08 PM
Klickitat - I shipped to a10t2 today. I'll message him with the tracking #.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on April 30, 2015, 10:03:24 PM
I don't mean to brag, but this is my haul from the beer swap. Way above and beyond, but thanks Kevin (braufessor)!

(http://i.imgur.com/AcwoXXH.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on April 30, 2015, 10:05:05 PM

I don't mean to brag, but this is my haul from the beer swap. Way above and beyond, but thanks Kevin (braufessor)!

(http://i.imgur.com/AcwoXXH.jpg)
That would have cost me $100 to ship! Very nice.


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: kmccaf on April 30, 2015, 10:44:26 PM
I don't mean to brag, but this is my haul from the beer swap. Way above and beyond, but thanks Kevin (braufessor)!

(http://i.imgur.com/AcwoXXH.jpg)

What a haul. Those New Glarus brews are top notch. Enigma is one of the best beers I have ever had.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 30, 2015, 10:49:29 PM
Yeah, hell of a haul. I've had several New Glarus beers. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on April 30, 2015, 10:58:59 PM
Holy crap Kevin im north of you by quite a bit and i NERVER have seen any of those new Glarus beers where are you buying? Very nie by the way.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on April 30, 2015, 10:59:22 PM
I guess if you're going to break the rules, blow them completely out of the water. lol
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 01, 2015, 12:23:13 AM
I really should have thought this through better. Beer swap pyramid scheme. Whatever you ship you have to also ship to me. Dang it!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 01, 2015, 01:33:50 AM
Good idea!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 01, 2015, 01:44:06 AM
Mark (MHarding) I left your package for UPS to pick up at work today. They come almost every day but every once in a while don't so pretty sure they will go out today.
I didn't have time to put descriptions with the beers, just labeled with tape.
I sent:
Cranberry Mead: made with fresh cranberries from Cape Cod
Bretted Peach Saison: A rhubarb saison I made last summer then racked onto fresh peaches from my tree and Brett L. last August
Rye Saison
American Dark Something: wasn't going by style, just trying to make something that was quaffable, malty but not too sweet, bitter but not hop forward. Ended up sort of porter like but more red in color without much roast.
I also threw in a nice fresh Spencer Abbey Ale.
All the homebrews are bottle conditioned BTW.
I'll PM you in the next couple days with more descriptions of each homebrew and tracking.

Sounds really good Pete!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hickory on May 01, 2015, 02:53:02 AM
I don't mean to brag, but this is my haul from the beer swap. Way above and beyond, but thanks Kevin (braufessor)!

(http://i.imgur.com/AcwoXXH.jpg)

Dang! Well I definately won't be able to match that, but Braufessor your box was sent this morning, will send a pm with the tracking number.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on May 01, 2015, 04:04:10 AM
I don't mean to brag, but this is my haul from the beer swap. Way above and beyond, but thanks Kevin (braufessor)!



Glad they made it safe and sound.  I brew an unhealthy amount of beer :o  I think I have about 40-50 gallons on hand right now....... So, if I am sending some beers, might as well throw in the things I have on hand :)

I am a few miles from Toppling Goliath and I can easily get New Glarus in Prairie DuChien or LaCrosse Wisconsin - about an hour away, so I always have those on hand too.  Plus, it seems people are always leaving beer at my house..... come to drink homebrew, and they leave a 6 pack.  I can't keep up.

The 4 clear bottles are variations of recent APA experiments I believe.  The dark one is a "Black Lager Thing."  That big bomber is a mystery session IPA..... to be honest, i can't remember exactly what batch that was.... hopefully a good one.  The recipes I sent were for the 4 clear 12 ounce bottles I believe.

Hope you enjoy them. 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 01, 2015, 11:10:18 AM
Man, I feel like I was a piker with what I sent...only one local brew - Zombie Dust from Three Floyds.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 01, 2015, 11:29:55 AM
Man, I feel like I was a piker with what I sent...only one local brew - Zombie Dust from Three Floyds.

i had to look up piker  ::)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 01, 2015, 11:35:04 AM
Man, I feel like I was a piker with what I sent...only one local brew - Zombie Dust from Three Floyds.

That's a nice one, though!  I sent Sean some 3Floyds, too.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 01, 2015, 01:35:20 PM
Man, I feel like I was a piker with what I sent...only one local brew - Zombie Dust from Three Floyds.
No worries bud.  I'm kind of overflowing with beer at the moment from a couple trades and a BiF (and my own personal acquisition problem).  The Zombie Dust is already gone, though.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on May 01, 2015, 01:43:39 PM
Man, I feel like I was a piker with what I sent...only one local brew - Zombie Dust from Three Floyds.

Zombie Dust is  a great brew and not easy to come by for most folks, so that is a great one to get.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on May 01, 2015, 02:11:26 PM
Ive never had a three floyds beer. Never seem to find it! But I keep looking!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 01, 2015, 11:21:13 PM
Brewer:  Matt Chrispen (mchrispen)

Beer : Porter

Style : Robust Porter (12B)

Bottle Inspection : Proper fill, no sediment.

Aroma : Aromas are of dark chocolate, milk chocolate, coffee, with some toffee notes. No diacetyl or esters perceived.     9/12 pts

Appearance : Deep black with ruby highlights at the corners. Thick one finger head that falls quickly.
2/3 pts

Flavor : Dark chocolate and coffee flavors, with a medium roastiness. A slight toffee character gives a counterpoint to the coffee and roast character.   15/20 pts

Mouthfeel : Medium bodied with light to moderate carbonation. No diacetyl or astringency perceived.
4/5 pts

Overall Impression : This is a nice example of the style. The beer is slightly undercarbed, but given the British origins this is not a negative. If I made any suggestions at all, it would be to give a slightly maltier balance to the coffee and roast character ( a tad more Munich ?) , and to increase the foam building malts a bit. Having said all this, this is a delicious porter that I would buy a few pints of. Nice job Matt !  Can't wait to review the others.     8/10 pts


Total Score :   38/50 pts
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 02, 2015, 03:52:06 AM
Cool, thanks! The keg was over-carbed , so bet a lot of carb was lost filling.  That had to sit and de-foam while I filled the others and then top up cripplingly slow. This is a case where I wonder if better carbonation would increase complexity... Shared a bit today with a friend (different keg, same batch) and poured a two finger head that fell to crema that lasted through the drink.

FYI - that bit of Vienna was subbed because I ran out of Munich - good call, although tempted now to rebrew with a portion of Red X and Munich as basemalt.

Anyway - love the feedback! Cheers!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 02, 2015, 02:06:59 PM
Brewer : Matt Chrispen (mchrispen)

Beer : Belgian Strong Ale

Style : Belgian Dubbel  (18B)


Bottle Inspection : Proper fill, no sediment.

Aroma : Aromas are of honey, caramel, dark fruit with a 'rum soaked raisin' character. Mild banana ester, mild spicy phenol. No diacetyl perceived.   11/12 pts

Appearance : Deep reddish brown with a thick head that falls quickly. Good lacing.   2/3 pts

Flavor : Honey, caramel, dark fruit, light banana, light spice, rum character. The alcohol, while substantial, is mild and well integrated.   16/20 pts

Mouthfeel : Medium bodied with light to medium carbonation. No astringency or diacetyl perceived.   4/5 pts

Overall Impression : This is a well made example of the style. It would probably do well in comps as a Quad too, given its alcohol level. This beer pretty much checks all the boxes for dark Belgian complexity - caramel, honey, dark fruit, rum character, with good yeast character that doesn't overpower. I would buy this one at a pub. Great job, Matt !             9/10 pts


Total Score :  42/50 pts
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 02, 2015, 08:32:13 PM
Thanks! That one was made with honey I bochet'd very dark, well past hard ball temperatures. Your score and notes are very consistent with my score sheets from NHC first round. Alas, didn't make it past the mini-BOS.

I gotta get onto another of Jim's beers today!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 02, 2015, 08:50:39 PM
Cool. Looking forward to it
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hooper on May 03, 2015, 03:01:43 AM
K Jim,
Thanks for putting this together…a nice way to get some informal feedback and taste some different homebrew.

Brian (3bbrewing) sent 4 homebrews and 3 large local (SOCAL) IPA’s. A very generous offering for the piker who only sent 3 homebrews.

Brian,
Really solid brews and the IPA’s were great. I don’t consider myself a beer judge and I apologize for the short reviews. I doubt I’ll ever have the palate or nose to pick gooseberry notes out of a beer…so I’m giving my untrained thoughts and please take everything with a grain of salt.


Ok…

All rise…here come da judge…

0 – Irish Red Ale - Carrot colored, tastes like black olives wrapped in cardboard…



JOKING…


1 – American Lager – Star of the show. Pale golden, 2 fingers fluffy white head that lingers, Crisp, refreshing, subdued yeast and hop notes. I’ve not done a Lager yet but this one may inspire me to try. I would buy this…
KJ scale - 4 = send me the recipe…please

2 – American Barley Wine – Bottle conditioned, not clear, burnt orange color, 1 finger white head that lasts. Nice spicy Barley Wine taste. I really enjoyed this beer and I am not a big Barley Wine fan.
KJ scale - 3 = to style and very nicely done

3 – Export Stout – Unfortunately didn’t make the trip. The inch left in the bottle smelled fantastic…sorry I missed this one.

4 – Belgian PA – Bottle conditioned, not clear, amber color, thick white head supported with a fair amount of effervescence. 
KJ scale - 2.5 = a pretty drinkable BPA.

KJ Scale
1 = undrinkable, 3 = send me the recipe, and a 5 = best beer ever.

Enjoyed them all Brian...Glenn
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 03, 2015, 04:37:25 AM
Wow! 3B must be a pretty skilled brewer, rocking the high score with light lager. Not much wiggle room for error in those.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hooper on May 03, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
Wow! 3B must be a pretty skilled brewer, rocking the high score with light lager. Not much wiggle room for error in those.

Ya...maybe 3.5 would have been more appropriate...like I said...grain of salt...but it was nice...
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 03, 2015, 03:35:11 PM
Go with your gut, first impression. 4 works
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 03, 2015, 03:54:33 PM
Early, but I promised Jim and didn't get to it yesterday. Put on some old T Rex - which might have influenced this :)

Brewer
: Jim Leininger (Klickitat Jim)

Beer : Munich Helles

Style : Munich Helles  (1D)


Bottle Inspection : Brown Bomber, high fill, gold crown

Aroma : Sweet grain, slightly floral, mild citrus shows as light hop aroma. Grainy. No DMS, diacetyl, or off-aromas.   10/12 pts

Appearance : Bright. Pale golden, white fluffy head stand, medium and medium small bubbles stacked 3 fingers. Head persists to 1/2 finger   3/3 pts

Flavor : Clean malt, white bread, soft and round Pils graininess. Low hop character. Malt lingers - tasty. (Nit)-perhaps can use some acidity to sharpen up malt expression. No diacetyl. (Nit)-Slightly sweet for style.   16/20 pts

Mouthfeel : Medium/Medium light body. Lingering creamy texture. Medium to high carbonation. Some acidity or dryness to lift the malty creaminess.   4/5 pts

Overall Impression : Another excellent beer. Hell Yes @ The ABGB is my fav here in Austin. In comparison - this lacks just a bit of dryness/crispness that I expect. Still - should do very well in comps.           7/10 pts


Total Score :  40/50 pts

Jim - really good beer. Survived well. I added a few drops of lactic after scoring to see if I was heading in the right direction, I think it helped but YMMV. The differences are in milimeters not miles - very subtle. I drink so much Hell Yes that it has skewed my preferences and the dryness is not mentioned in the style guide. How do you keep this around? I would burn through that keg in a week! FYI - real close to the Real Ale Brewer's Cut Helles, which falls on the otherside of the soft creamy scale.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 03, 2015, 04:09:57 PM
Hey that's good news. I don't keep it around lol. My wife loves it. It goes fast. I get the sweetness perception too. That one was tettnanger bittered. The one before was hallertau. The one I'm bottling tonight is magnum. I'll see how that one comes out and choose which hop of the three works best. Then I'll do a double brew day and bump the pH down a little on one of them. Glad you enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 03, 2015, 04:33:18 PM
Jim, FWIW Matt sent me a couple bottles of the Real Ale Brewer's Cut Helles he talked about. If your helles is real close to that, you must've done a hell of a job. I see what he's saying about the crispness of it, but it's still a hell of a beer. Practically inhaled it.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 03, 2015, 04:53:44 PM
Cool. I'll have to try to find some and compare. I agree with him that a touch more bite, or sharpness would really make mine pop. Fine tuning that one will be a fun fall project
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 03, 2015, 06:43:25 PM
Brewer: Mark Harding
Beer: American IPA
Style: IPA (14B)

Bottle Inspection:  proper fill with layer of sediment on bottom.   

Aroma:  moderate to strong pine and spicey aroma when opened, with light floral and citrus notes in the glass. notes of caramel and honey. No fermentation defaults detected. 10/12

Appearance: large three fingered head that persists before finally settling to ¼” creamy head. Color is golden amber. Slight haze from yeast sediment. 2/3

Flavor:  Complex hoppiness that dominates up front with caramel and honey notes in the background that finishes very dry. Hop bitterness is smooth at first and has bitter finish. Hop flavor is piney and spicey with hint of citrus and floral and balances well with malt. 17/20

Mouthfeel: light to medium body with ideal carbonation. Smooth hop bitterness with crisp dry finish. 4/5

Overall Impression:  very nice example of style. Very nice beer with complex hop schedule that makes you keep sipping to figure out all that’s going on in this beer. Hops and malt balance very nicely. Carbonation was perfect, and I really enjoyed drinking this beer Mark.  9/10


Total Score:   42/50
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on May 03, 2015, 07:53:11 PM
Brewer: Nathan Crawford (Hickory)
Style: American Blonde

Bottle Inspection:  ***One of the beers leaked in transit as the box was a touch wet and smelled like beer.  I "think" it was this one as the fill was only to the very bottom of the neck.  This is the reason I started with this one first as I was worried about carbonation, etc. if it was the leaker...... It opened with a pfffft though, and is carbonated.... so it seems ok.

Aroma:  moderate floral, fruity, almost slight lemony aroma.  Light, sweet malty notes. 8/12

Appearance: Hazy gold. Appropriate head dissipates to a thin layer, but lingers throughout sampling and laces glass. Some of the haziness is because I drank this one after only one day in fridge from shipping (due to leak concern)  Bottle conditioned?? 2/3

Flavor:  Sweet, malty flavor upfront.  Some light graininess.  Dominant flavor is a moderate fruity ester....  Berry for sure.  Some citrus/lemony tartness.  Not objectionable and actually kind of refreshing.  Not sure exactly what is driving this berry/citrus flavor.  Low to no real hop bitterness.  Could some of the fruity/lemon be coming from the hops?  Does not seem like a typical fermentation issue.  No phenols.  No Harshness, No Other "flawed" flavors. 12/20

Mouthfeel:  Medium body with medium carbonation. Smooth beer, Tart, crisp finish.  Slightly dry finish, but not astringent. 3/5

Overall Impression:  This is a very drinkable beer - I bet you and your friends enjoy this one on a hot day.  The fruity esters are probably a bit beyond what is "to style" - but they are surprisingly refreshing in this beer.  There may be a couple "technical" aspects of this beer (esters, clarity, tartness) that would hurt it in a BJCP competition.  However, as far as just an approachable, drinkable, enjoyable summer brew to enjoy several pints of.... I think you have a winner here.  I did not look at the recipe before sampling because I did not want to bias myself.  Would be curious as to your thoughts on the lemon/citrus/berry flavors and if you pick them up too, and their possible source.    7/10

****Side note - worth mentioning - This is the 5th beer Nathan has brewed.  I can tell you this Nathan, my 5th beer was not this good.  Any "criticism" is more about being "to style."  I did not detect any sanitation issues.  No real "off" flavors.  Nicely done.


Total Score:   32/50  (This is what I would give it comparing it to BJCP Blonde Ale).  As far as just a nice drinking beer.... I think it exceeds this and I would consider it a very good beer.  I would drink 2-3 pints of this no problem sitting out in the sun.

Thanks
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jeffy on May 03, 2015, 08:08:53 PM
Everybody is so polite.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 03, 2015, 08:16:04 PM
Well yeah... but the two beers so far from Jim have been stellar.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 03, 2015, 08:45:38 PM
Well yeah... but the two beers so far from Jim have been stellar.
Lol! Right! Im waiting for the other shoe to drop when you get to the sour and scottish, er uh, Colonial Tavern Ale.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on May 03, 2015, 10:33:37 PM

Brewer: Frank (frankenbrew)
Belgian golden strong ale
Proper fill
Aroma: Sweet I swear i smell honey (I reviewed before reading the recipe)
Appearance: Golden solid color with a nice 1/8" thick head.
Flavor: Sweet with caramel note almost feels like a toffee bar.
Mouth feel: full body beer bold flavor.
Overall impression: As im not familiar with this style beer I will say this would b a good beer by the fire in the middle of winter. Sweet tasting, different for my pallet as im a hop head. Didn't detect any flaws this is a solid beer and quite potent i may add. I think i could drink a few of these!!! Nice beer Frank!! Looking forward to the others.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 03, 2015, 10:56:45 PM

Brewer: Frank (frankenbrew)
Belgian golden strong ale
Proper fill
Aroma: Sweet I swear i smell honey (I reviewed before reading the recipe)
Appearance: Golden solid color with a nice 1/8" thick head.
Flavor: Sweet with caramel note almost feels like a toffee bar.
Mouth feel: full body beer bold flavor.
Overall impression: As im not familiar with this style beer I will say this would b a good beer by the fire in the middle of winter. Sweet tasting, different for my pallet as im a hop head. Didn't detect any flaws this is a solid beer and quite potent i may add. I think i could drink a few of these!!! Nice beer Frank!! Looking forward to the others.

Thanks, Jimmy! Nice job on the review. Your assessment of this beer being good in front of the fire is spot on. Because this beer has been aging so long (2+ years) it seems to change every time I have one.

You're also right about the potency; at 9+% ABV, you'd better be careful getting up from the fire.  ;)

Well done!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 03, 2015, 11:04:00 PM
Brewer: Mark Harding
Beer: American IPA
Style: IPA (14B)

Bottle Inspection:  proper fill with layer of sediment on bottom.   

Aroma:  moderate to strong pine and spicey aroma when opened, with light floral and citrus notes in the glass. notes of caramel and honey. No fermentation defaults detected. 10/12

Appearance: large three fingered head that persists before finally settling to ¼” creamy head. Color is golden amber. Slight haze from yeast sediment. 2/3

Flavor:  Complex hoppiness that dominates up front with caramel and honey notes in the background that finishes very dry. Hop bitterness is smooth at first and has bitter finish. Hop flavor is piney and spicey with hint of citrus and floral and balances well with malt. 17/20

Mouthfeel: light to medium body with ideal carbonation. Smooth hop bitterness with crisp dry finish. 4/5

Overall Impression:  very nice example of style. Very nice beer with complex hop schedule that makes you keep sipping to figure out all that’s going on in this beer. Hops and malt balance very nicely. Carbonation was perfect, and I really enjoyed drinking this beer Mark.  9/10


Total Score:   42/50

Thanks for the review.  I will work on my water profile next and hopefully take my beers to the next level.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 05, 2015, 12:32:57 AM
Brewer : Matt Chrispen (mchrispen)
Beer : Belgian and French Ale
Style : Saison (16C/23)

Bottle Inspection : Proper fill, no sediment.

Aroma : Berries, floral character, esters of lemon/orange, crackery/toasty malt. No diacetyl noted.
10/12 pts

Appearance : Deep orange, low level haze, with thick one finger head that falls, leaving nice lacing.  2/3 pts.

Flavor : Berries, tart lemony ester, toasty malt, floral character, slight spice.     15/20 pts

Mouthfeel : Medium/light body, moderate to light carbonation, no astringency or diacetyl perceived.   4/5 pts

Overall Impression :  This is a fairly standard saison base infused with a flavorful, aromatic herbal tea which has acai, red currant, hibiscus and rose character. The infusion works very nicely, complimentary to the tart, lemony character present in many saison yeasts. The beer could use a tad more carbing for the style, but I'm sure some got lost between the beer gun and  the travel. This is a very drinkable beer at over 7% abv, is well attenuated, and was a pleasure to drink. Nice job, Matt. Thanks for all the tasty beer !    8/10 pts

39/50 pts
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 05, 2015, 01:06:02 AM
I have been experimenting with more tartness with that... A tiny bit on lactic seems to open it up a bit more. You think that might help it a bit?

And thanks for the reviews! Very helpful.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 05, 2015, 01:08:07 AM
I have been experimenting with more tartness with that... A tiny bit on lactic seems to open it up a bit more. You think that might help it a bit?

Maybe. I like a tart Saison. I also like to mash like 5.2-5.25 pH to get a crisp, tart finish. Really helps IMO. Regardless, that was a tasty beer !
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 05, 2015, 03:28:11 AM
I just got my package today from Cascades Runner!  Drew - let me know what category the 1469 capped beer (assuming a British ale of some sort) is and the Grand Teton capped beer is - the saison is pretty obvious.  You can PM me or reply on the thread.  I seem to have lost the email or PM that you previously sent me.

I am heading out of town Wednesday after work and returning Sunday, so I will try to get a review out on one of the beers before I leave town, if possible.  Which one should go first, if that matters to you....

Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: erockrph on May 05, 2015, 12:34:35 PM
I have been experimenting with more tartness with that... A tiny bit on lactic seems to open it up a bit more. You think that might help it a bit?

Maybe. I like a tart Saison. I also like to mash like 5.2-5.25 pH to get a crisp, tart finish. Really helps IMO. Regardless, that was a tasty beer !
Was this 3711? I mash at 5.2 as well, and the resulting beer has a nice tart-citrus character. It also makes tart additions like hibiscus and currants work really well.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 05, 2015, 12:52:47 PM
I have been experimenting with more tartness with that... A tiny bit on lactic seems to open it up a bit more. You think that might help it a bit?

Maybe. I like a tart Saison. I also like to mash like 5.2-5.25 pH to get a crisp, tart finish. Really helps IMO. Regardless, that was a tasty beer !
Was this 3711? I mash at 5.2 as well, and the resulting beer has a nice tart-citrus character. It also makes tart additions like hibiscus and currants work really well.

He used Belle on this one ( ie., dry 3711 if you believe the accounts).
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on May 05, 2015, 02:08:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/umZlMNg.jpg)

Hop Fu Jr (American Pale Ale), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Poured with a nice fluffy head and pretty strong hop aroma. Initial bitterness seemed a little high for my expectations, however it mellowed a bit and this beer is extremely tasty. The more I drank, the more I wanted and now it's gone and I'm all sad.

(http://i.imgur.com/aJk3BDg.jpg)

Comet (American IPA), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Solid hop aroma/flavor and pleasant bitterness. I was expecting a little more malt backing, however I've seen the recipe/grain bill and I probably don't know what I'm talking about. Tasty IPA and I would gladly have another.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 05, 2015, 03:10:12 PM
Quote
Was this 3711? I mash at 5.2 as well, and the resulting beer has a nice tart-citrus character. It also makes tart additions like hibiscus and currants work really well.

He used Belle on this one ( ie., dry 3711 if you believe the accounts).

I used Belle Saison - two packets rehydrated I believe. I also psuedo-open fermented, leaving the lid loose and foil over the lock, and my temp controller went crazy and dropped primary to 34F while I was out of town. I replaced the controller (Ranco) but let it free rise to around 72F. Was prepared for a new yeast pitch, but it kicked back up and fermented clean. The base beer was just really restrained, so thought the teas would be a nice test.

I really love this yeast, but I don't get the tartness on the first pitch. It performs better for me after a repitch, but gets super attenuative after 4-5 rounds (less spice as well). Going back to my BWS records, I mashed this one at 5.3. For some reason I didn't note the actual. I also normally use continental pils but subbed in some fresh 2-row to see how it would come out.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on May 05, 2015, 03:52:30 PM


Hop Fu Jr (American Pale Ale), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Poured with a nice fluffy head and pretty strong hop aroma. Initial bitterness seemed a little high for my expectations, however it mellowed a bit and this beer is extremely tasty. The more I drank, the more I wanted and now it's gone and I'm all sad.



Comet (American IPA), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Solid hop aroma/flavor and pleasant bitterness. I was expecting a little more malt backing, however I've seen the recipe/grain bill and I probably don't know what I'm talking about. Tasty IPA and I would gladly have another.

Glad you liked them.  I was not sure how that "hop fu jr" would hold up as it was kind of getting on the old side.... probably 8-10 weeks past brewday.  It was based on this recipe/thread that Kelsey McNair posted on Homebrewtalk: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=201080
It only ended up being about a 4.5% beer and had a firmly hoppy profile.    That "mystery bomber" that says "session" on it might actually be another bottle of this as I look back at my brew log.  It might also be a duplicate of that Columbus Session IPA I sent.... I really need to keep track of my beers a little better :o
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/umZlMNg.jpg)

Hop Fu Jr (American Pale Ale), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Poured with a nice fluffy head and pretty strong hop aroma. Initial bitterness seemed a little high for my expectations, however it mellowed a bit and this beer is extremely tasty. The more I drank, the more I wanted and now it's gone and I'm all sad.

(http://i.imgur.com/aJk3BDg.jpg)

Comet (American IPA), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Solid hop aroma/flavor and pleasant bitterness. I was expecting a little more malt backing, however I've seen the recipe/grain bill and I probably don't know what I'm talking about. Tasty IPA and I would gladly have another.
I like the little snippets of people's lives you get in their beer pictures. It looks like you play rugby and have a bulldog, a little girl, and allergies and are a wallet guy rather than a money-clip guy.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 05, 2015, 04:34:05 PM
Quote
I like the little snippets of people's lives you get in their beer pictures. It looks like you play rugby and have a bulldog, a little girl, and allergies and are a wallet guy rather than a money-clip guy.

That is a great observation!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 05, 2015, 04:37:45 PM
Quote
I like the little snippets of people's lives you get in their beer pictures. It looks like you play rugby and have a bulldog, a little girl, and allergies and are a wallet guy rather than a money-clip guy.

That is a great observation!

+1.  Pete, you'd make a hell of a detective. I bet your kids don't get anything by on you.   ;D
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 04:43:04 PM
Quote
I like the little snippets of people's lives you get in their beer pictures. It looks like you play rugby and have a bulldog, a little girl, and allergies and are a wallet guy rather than a money-clip guy.

That is a great observation!

+1.  Pete, you'd make a hell of a detective. I bet your kids don't get anything by on you.   ;D
Well my son is 24 now and I'm sure he got a thing or two by me although for the most part I have the type of disposition where people really don't think they need to get anything by.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 05, 2015, 04:44:35 PM
Quote
I like the little snippets of people's lives you get in their beer pictures. It looks like you play rugby and have a bulldog, a little girl, and allergies and are a wallet guy rather than a money-clip guy.

That is a great observation!

+1.  Pete, you'd make a hell of a detective. I bet your kids don't get anything by on you.   ;D
Well my son is 24 now and I'm sure he got a thing or two by me although for the most part I have the type of disposition where people really don't think they need to get anything by.

Gotcha. Just being silly.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 04:58:18 PM


Gotcha. Just being silly.
Yep, me too.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 05, 2015, 05:49:44 PM
OK, now I can check provisional on the judging sheets. Was at least prepared for the blitzkrieg of questions and random styles today.

Celebrating with Rogue Dead Guy from Jim. Forgotten how good this beer is! Cheers!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 05, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
Took the online written?

Dead Guy is frequently in my fridge. At $10 a six though, not too much
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 07:03:38 PM
Took the online written?

Dead Guy is frequently in my fridge. At $10 a six though, not too much
Is beer cheaper out there because of all the competition? Around here $10 for a six is about the starting point for craft.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 05, 2015, 07:35:10 PM

Took the online written?

Dead Guy is frequently in my fridge. At $10 a six though, not too much

Just the online entrance. Scheduled for Sept tasting. Gotta rack some points judging as well.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 05, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
Took the online written?

Dead Guy is frequently in my fridge. At $10 a six though, not too much
Is beer cheaper out there because of all the competition? Around here $10 for a six is about the starting point for craft.
I normally pay about $8 for a six $15 for 12 pack of Full Sail, Deschutes, Sierra Nevada, etc. Dead Guy is at least ten. Normally bombers are $4-5
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 05, 2015, 08:38:06 PM

Took the online written?

Dead Guy is frequently in my fridge. At $10 a six though, not too much

Just the online entrance. Scheduled for Sept tasting. Gotta rack some points judging as well.
Awesome! Good job. You will do well.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 10:06:52 PM
Took the online written?

Dead Guy is frequently in my fridge. At $10 a six though, not too much
Is beer cheaper out there because of all the competition? Around here $10 for a six is about the starting point for craft.
I normally pay about $8 for a six $15 for 12 pack of Full Sail, Deschutes, Sierra Nevada, etc. Dead Guy is at least ten. Normally bombers are $4-5
I live in a rural area and usually buy beer from a couple local country stores so I probably pay a bit more because of that.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
Toby, your beer is safe and sound in my fridge in Barre, Massachusetts. It looks like a great selection! thanks.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 05, 2015, 10:32:35 PM
Pete.  Package received.  Thanks. 
 (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/e03b5c77d9c086f5223838d345c5bd09.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 10:39:57 PM
Pete.  Package received.  Thanks. 
 (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/e03b5c77d9c086f5223838d345c5bd09.jpg)
hope no one thinks I'm anal because I spent so much time making them look professional.  ;)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 05, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
Pete.  Package received.  Thanks. 
 (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/e03b5c77d9c086f5223838d345c5bd09.jpg)
hope no one thinks I'm anal because I spent so much time making them look professional.  ;)
No, that would be rude and insensitive. So, thanks for beating me to it. Now I don't have to ban myself
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 05, 2015, 11:15:48 PM
Looking forward to my first tasting.  I think it will be the American dark. 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 05, 2015, 11:37:29 PM
Looking forward to my first tasting.  I think it will be the American dark.
good choice, its probably at its peak. I would let it settle until tomorrow night in the fridge. I would say go with the rye saison last, its a bit young for a saison.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 06, 2015, 12:00:39 AM
Sounds good.  Gonna do the dark on Friday.   
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 06, 2015, 12:02:26 AM

Looking forward to my first tasting.  I think it will be the American dark.
good choice, its probably at its peak. I would let it settle until tomorrow night in the fridge. I would say go with the rye saison last, its a bit young for a saison.

Yeah but Pete, it's in a grolsch bottle so it must be good!


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on May 06, 2015, 12:13:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/umZlMNg.jpg)

Hop Fu Jr (American Pale Ale), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Poured with a nice fluffy head and pretty strong hop aroma. Initial bitterness seemed a little high for my expectations, however it mellowed a bit and this beer is extremely tasty. The more I drank, the more I wanted and now it's gone and I'm all sad.

(http://i.imgur.com/aJk3BDg.jpg)

Comet (American IPA), brewed by Kevin (braufessor)

Solid hop aroma/flavor and pleasant bitterness. I was expecting a little more malt backing, however I've seen the recipe/grain bill and I probably don't know what I'm talking about. Tasty IPA and I would gladly have another.
I like the little snippets of people's lives you get in their beer pictures. It looks like you play rugby and have a bulldog, a little girl, and allergies and are a wallet guy rather than a money-clip guy.

Mostly correct, all except the allergies. Good job.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 06, 2015, 02:06:43 AM
its been a long time since I have had a little one around. I realize now that the big box of tissues isn't because you have allergies but because your kid, like all of them have...SNOTS!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 06, 2015, 02:18:05 AM

Looking forward to my first tasting.  I think it will be the American dark.
good choice, its probably at its peak. I would let it settle until tomorrow night in the fridge. I would say go with the rye saison last, its a bit young for a saison.

Yeah but Pete, it's in a grolsch bottle so it must be good!


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I couldn't resist something like 40 grolsch bottles at a yard sale for, I think, 8 bucks. A package of new seals and some cleaning and sanitizing and I was good to go. I'm amazed that they are still packaged like that too. you think the work and material needed for a ceramic, metal, and rubber contraption would be cost prohibitive given the choices.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on May 06, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
Brewer : Jon H (HoosierBrew)
Beer : West Coast APA
Style : American Pale Ale (10A)

Bottle Inspection: Proper fill, very small layer of sediment.

Aroma: Prominent tropical and stone fruits with definite citrus notes and a subtle grass- or hay-like vegetal character. Very light nuttiness. 10/12

Appearance: Somewhere between golden and orange. Very large, persistent white foam cap with moderate lacing. Excellent clarity. 3/3

Flavor: First impression is of citrus, then pine that stops short of being "dank". A tropical fruit character is more restrained. Some nuttiness could be either malt or yeast-derived, but hops clearly dominate this beer. Finish is a bit minerally, and bitterness lingers. 14/20

Mouthfeel: Effervescent, dry but not thin or watery. No astringency. 4/5

Overall Impression: A dry, hop-forward, "new-hopped" pale ale. Definitely hits all the high notes for the style. Any tweaks would be largely personal preference at this point. 8/10

Total: 39/50


OK, I'm back with Jon's detailed recipe notes after tasting blind. He describes this as a "West Coast-style APA", and on that basis I probably should have scored it a few points higher. I would have guessed at the Cascade, but I don't think I've had an Azacca-hopped beer before. I'll definitely be ordering some to brew with, especially with our APA being based around Calypso and not having found a sub that's even close.

This bottle was a mild "gusher", but I don't think that's indicative of anything other than it coming up from sea level. Carbonation seems a touch high and that plus the high attenuation from 1056 (my fave!) contributes to an overall dry impression. I'd describe this as in the same ballpark as Dale's Pale Ale - bigger and drier than a "typical" APA, but still very drinkable. I'd prefer this beer as it has a lot more going on in the hop flavor and aroma.

Really well done, Jon. Next time I'm visiting my folks I'll return your full Grolsch bottles. ;)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 06, 2015, 10:14:50 PM
Thank for the nice review, Sean !  I carbed the keg up a tad extra since I was using the beer gun, maybe a tad too much. I bottled several beers from the keg and none were gushers here, so I wonder about the altitude differences, like you mentioned ? Regardless, glad it got there in good shape overall. And those Azacca are really nice hops. Cheers !
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 06, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
Drew sent me my review to PM, so I'm posting it....Drew thanks for the great descriptions and perceptions- hope you enjoyed:
Brewer: Ken Harvey

GERMAN PILS
I gotta tell you this is a style I tend to avoid, but I can't really tell you why after tasting yours.  The last Pils I had was from Breakside in Portland and it was memorable for all the wrong reasons.  I would happily take a four pack of yours to the golf course on a hot day.

-Good white head when poured
-Clear and bright as a Pils should be
-The aroma was what I would expect from a Pils, nice and light
-Great mouthfeel.  Nice and light without being thin
-Flavor matched and had enought complexity to keep it interesting and yet light
-A great clean finish that was crisp and gave a refreshing feel to it.

HELLES BOCK
This was my personal favorite, it really hit the mark and is the style I look forward to this time of year.
-Strong white head
-Great Clarity and copper color
-Good malty aroma, low hop aroma
-Medium bodied with smooth malty flavor offset by the hops
-Good somewhat dry, malty finish

VIENNA IPA
It is always a nice change of pace to get an IPA not made in the NW.

-Good head and lacing down the glass
-Color and clarity were great, the color was toward the copperish end
-Great citrusy and floral aroma without being overpowering
-Nice malty front leveled with hop bitterness, really well done
-Medium bodied with great transitions
-I wouldn't mind seeing the finish a little more on the dry side,  but certainly well within range.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 06, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
Frank, you'll be receiving a little something that looks like this.  FedEx Tracking number 773491423973.  I'll be shipping probably Friday if that's alright with you -- the box is already packed but I don't think I can drop off with the shipper until Friday when I'm off work.

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af341/dmtaylo1/frank.jpg) (http://s1022.photobucket.com/user/dmtaylo1/media/frank.jpg.html)

Dave, The Eagle has landed, and it's Christmas in Massachusetts! The beer arrived today, very well packed and intact. I popped them in the fridge as soon as I got home. My plan is to give them a couple of days to settle and chill, so I'll probably review the first one over the weekend. I'm not sure which one will be first, but I'm thinking the smoked apple. Thanks!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 06, 2015, 10:40:53 PM

Looking forward to my first tasting.  I think it will be the American dark.
good choice, its probably at its peak. I would let it settle until tomorrow night in the fridge. I would say go with the rye saison last, its a bit young for a saison.



Yeah but Pete, it's in a grolsch bottle so it must be good!


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I couldn't resist something like 40 grolsch bottles at a yard sale for, I think, 8 bucks. A package of new seals and some cleaning and sanitizing and I was good to go. I'm amazed that they are still packaged like that too. you think the work and material needed for a ceramic, metal, and rubber contraption would be cost prohibitive given the choices.

awesome deal for great bottles.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on May 06, 2015, 11:11:05 PM
I bottled several beers from the keg and none were gushers here, so I wonder about the altitude differences, like you mentioned ?

I wouldn't even give it a second thought. 5 psi is a big difference in pressure, and I'm sure that my beers that went the other way will seem under-carbed.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 06, 2015, 11:14:58 PM
I bottled several beers from the keg and none were gushers here, so I wonder about the altitude differences, like you mentioned ?

I wouldn't even give it a second thought. 5 psi is a big difference in pressure, and I'm sure that my beers that went the other way will seem under-carbed.

Cool, good to know. I assume Colorado breweries that bottle must take that into account, right?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 06, 2015, 11:16:45 PM

I bottled several beers from the keg and none were gushers here, so I wonder about the altitude differences, like you mentioned ?

I wouldn't even give it a second thought. 5 psi is a big difference in pressure, and I'm sure that my beers that went the other way will seem under-carbed.

Cool, good to know. I assume Colorado breweries that bottle must take that into account, right?

I often thought many a commercial beer was over carbed..like drinking pop.


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Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 06, 2015, 11:24:39 PM
Brewer : Jon H (HoosierBrew)
Beer : West Coast APA
Style : American Pale Ale (10A)

Bottle Inspection: Proper fill, very small layer of sediment.

Aroma: Prominent tropical and stone fruits with definite citrus notes and a subtle grass- or hay-like vegetal character. Very light nuttiness. 10/12

Appearance: Somewhere between golden and orange. Very large, persistent white foam cap with moderate lacing. Excellent clarity. 3/3

Flavor: First impression is of citrus, then pine that stops short of being "dank". A tropical fruit character is more restrained. Some nuttiness could be either malt or yeast-derived, but hops clearly dominate this beer. Finish is a bit minerally, and bitterness lingers. 14/20

Mouthfeel: Effervescent, dry but not thin or watery. No astringency. 4/5

Overall Impression: A dry, hop-forward, "new-hopped" pale ale. Definitely hits all the high notes for the style. Any tweaks would be largely personal preference at this point. 8/10

Total: 39/50


OK, I'm back with Jon's detailed recipe notes after tasting blind. He describes this as a "West Coast-style APA", and on that basis I probably should have scored it a few points higher. I would have guessed at the Cascade, but I don't think I've had an Azacca-hopped beer before. I'll definitely be ordering some to brew with, especially with our APA being based around Calypso and not having found a sub that's even close.

This bottle was a mild "gusher", but I don't think that's indicative of anything other than it coming up from sea level. Carbonation seems a touch high and that plus the high attenuation from 1056 (my fave!) contributes to an overall dry impression. I'd describe this as in the same ballpark as Dale's Pale Ale - bigger and drier than a "typical" APA, but still very drinkable. I'd prefer this beer as it has a lot more going on in the hop flavor and aroma.

Really well done, Jon. Next time I'm visiting my folks I'll return your full Grolsch bottles. ;)

Azacca....never heard nor used. What's the skinny on that hop Jon ?


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 06, 2015, 11:30:33 PM
Azacca....never heard nor used. What's the skinny on that hop Jon ?


It's really nice - mango, peach up front with a little citrus and pine. But not over the top strong, one note mango like Citra. On the oil/strength/intensity scale, it's Cascade/Centennial-ish. Love it.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 06, 2015, 11:31:37 PM

Azacca....never heard nor used. What's the skinny on that hop Jon ?


It's really nice - mango, peach up front with a little citrus and pine. But not over the top strong, one note mango like Citra. On the oil/strength/intensity scale, it's Cascade/Centennial-ish. Love it.

Yeah that sound lovely. I dig the cascade centennial combo.


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on May 06, 2015, 11:34:14 PM
Cool, good to know. I assume Colorado breweries that bottle must take that into account, right?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who's packaging much above 5,000 ft and sending beer out of state. All the major production facilities (New Belgium, Oskar Blues, Breckenridge) are on the Front Range and that ~2 psi differential doesn't seem noticeable to me.

If you had separate in- and out-of-state distribution, though, it's certainly what I would do.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 06, 2015, 11:34:53 PM

Azacca....never heard nor used. What's the skinny on that hop Jon ?


It's really nice - mango, peach up front with a little citrus and pine. But not over the top strong, one note mango like Citra. On the oil/strength/intensity scale, it's Cascade/Centennial-ish. Love it.

Yeah that sound lovely. I dig the cascade centennial combo.


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Me too. And it blends really nicely with either. I used it with Cascade in this one.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 06, 2015, 11:37:15 PM
Cool, good to know. I assume Colorado breweries that bottle must take that into account, right?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who's packaging much above 5,000 ft and sending beer out of state. All the major production facilities (New Belgium, Oskar Blues, Breckenridge) are on the Front Range and that ~2 psi differential doesn't seem noticeable to me.

If you had separate in- and out-of-state distribution, though, it's certainly what I would do.

That's interesting. Obviously everybody knows about the altitude difference, but the effects on carbing can get overlooked. Probably no coincidence the heavy hitters there prefer not to be any higher up.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on May 06, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
That's interesting. Obviously everybody knows about the altitude difference, but the effects on carbing can get overlooked. Probably no coincidence the heavy hitters there prefer not to be any higher up.

I think it's just a happy coincidence driven by demographics. The Denver metroplex packs 51% of Colorado's population into 6% of the land area.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 07, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Decided to use the shiny new 2015 guidelines for this one (although they really didn't change much for this style other than category).

Brewer: Jerry Hodge (ynotbrusum)
Beer: Dry Stout
Style: Irish Stout (15B - 2015 Guidelines)

Bottle Inspection:  Mr. Beer 0.5L, no sediment   

Aroma: Moderate coffee with low chocolate.  Very low dark fruit (cherry).  No diacetyl or hop aroma detected.  A hint of vanilla as it warms more. 10/12

Appearance: Black with slight ruby tint at the edges.  Practically opaque with a one finger tan head with moderate retention.  Lots of fine bubbles with creamy lacing. 3/3

Flavor: Moderate dark roast coffee with just the right touch of roasty bitterness to balance the very faint chocolatey sweetness.  Moderate-low dark bread crust mid-palate.  No hop flavor to speak of.  Well balanced with a roasty finish that lingers only a second. 17/20

Mouthfeel: Medium-full bodied with moderate carbonation (higher in the mouthfeel than appearance).  Lightly dry in the finish but not astringent.  No diacetyl slickness.  Only the barest hint of alcohol warmth. 5/5

Overall Impression: Excellent beer! I think it maybe lost a touch of carbonation in transit since the head wasn't quite as thick as I would have liked, but I expect the transportation of the PET bottles probably has everything to do with that. 8/10


Total Score: 43/50

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 07, 2015, 12:16:56 AM
Drew sent me my review to PM, so I'm posting it....Drew thanks for the great descriptions and perceptions- hope you enjoyed:
Brewer: Ken Harvey

GERMAN PILS
I gotta tell you this is a style I tend to avoid, but I can't really tell you why after tasting yours.  The last Pils I had was from Breakside in Portland and it was memorable for all the wrong reasons.  I would happily take a four pack of yours to the golf course on a hot day.

-Good white head when poured
-Clear and bright as a Pils should be
-The aroma was what I would expect from a Pils, nice and light
-Great mouthfeel.  Nice and light without being thin
-Flavor matched and had enought complexity to keep it interesting and yet light
-A great clean finish that was crisp and gave a refreshing feel to it.

HELLES BOCK
This was my personal favorite, it really hit the mark and is the style I look forward to this time of year.
-Strong white head
-Great Clarity and copper color
-Good malty aroma, low hop aroma
-Medium bodied with smooth malty flavor offset by the hops
-Good somewhat dry, malty finish

VIENNA IPA
It is always a nice change of pace to get an IPA not made in the NW.

-Good head and lacing down the glass
-Color and clarity were great, the color was toward the copperish end
-Great citrusy and floral aroma without being overpowering
-Nice malty front leveled with hop bitterness, really well done
-Medium bodied with great transitions
-I wouldn't mind seeing the finish a little more on the dry side,  but certainly well within range.
Glad you posted it. Thats half the fun, reading about how these beers are coming out.
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 07, 2015, 12:25:47 AM
Drew sent me my review to PM, so I'm posting it....Drew thanks for the great descriptions and perceptions- hope you enjoyed:
Brewer: Ken Harvey

GERMAN PILS
I gotta tell you this is a style I tend to avoid, but I can't really tell you why after tasting yours.  The last Pils I had was from Breakside in Portland and it was memorable for all the wrong reasons.  I would happily take a four pack of yours to the golf course on a hot day.

-Good white head when poured
-Clear and bright as a Pils should be
-The aroma was what I would expect from a Pils, nice and light
-Great mouthfeel.  Nice and light without being thin
-Flavor matched and had enought complexity to keep it interesting and yet light
-A great clean finish that was crisp and gave a refreshing feel to it.

HELLES BOCK
This was my personal favorite, it really hit the mark and is the style I look forward to this time of year.
-Strong white head
-Great Clarity and copper color
-Good malty aroma, low hop aroma
-Medium bodied with smooth malty flavor offset by the hops
-Good somewhat dry, malty finish

VIENNA IPA
It is always a nice change of pace to get an IPA not made in the NW.

-Good head and lacing down the glass
-Color and clarity were great, the color was toward the copperish end
-Great citrusy and floral aroma without being overpowering
-Nice malty front leveled with hop bitterness, really well done
-Medium bodied with great transitions
-I wouldn't mind seeing the finish a little more on the dry side,  but certainly well within range.
Glad you posted it. Thats half the fun, reading about how these beers are coming out.

Yeah I felt it was part of the process we all signed up for. I know folks are nervous about doing reviews, but at the end of the day it's not about judging credentials - just honest sensory descriptions.


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on May 07, 2015, 10:59:59 AM
Brewer: Frank (Frankenbrew)
IPA
Fill quite high for a grolsh type bottle seemed to be ok though more to drink:)
Aroma: Lightly citrus odor from the top but not too much
Appearance: Golden in color
Flavor: I like the balance in this beer not too hoppy and good clean straight forward.
Overall impression: I like this beer quite a bit. In fact I will be brewing this in my future. Very mild but citrus in the background. This is not an in your face beer and I like that. No flaws clean and tasty. This is what I want to brew like. To me this is what home-brewing is all about! You should be proud Frank!
 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 07, 2015, 12:57:53 PM
Brewer: Frank (Frankenbrew)
IPA
Fill quite high for a grolsh type bottle seemed to be ok though more to drink:)
Aroma: Lightly citrus odor from the top but not too much
Appearance: Golden in color
Flavor: I like the balance in this beer not too hoppy and good clean straight forward.
Overall impression: I like this beer quite a bit. In fact I will be brewing this in my future. Very mild but citrus in the background. This is not an in your face beer and I like that. No flaws clean and tasty. This is what I want to brew like. To me this is what home-brewing is all about! You should be proud Frank!

Jimmy,

I think your perception is right on. I brewed it intentionally as a middle of the road IPA. I don't have the recipe in front of me, but I think it comes in at about 55 IBUs.

You are right about homebrewing. I brew beers the way I like them. With that said, I'm tickled that you liked it as well. Probably the best compliment is that you would like to brew it.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 08, 2015, 12:27:19 AM
Brewer: Toby
American Amber

Aroma: Very slight hop aroma, mild maltiness, perhaps a whiff of carmel

Appearance: Dark amber medium clarity, 1/4 inch head with fine bubbles that persists for awhile then settles to a finer layer of froth covering 3/4 of surface. some lacing.

Flavor: Malt flavor was only a little sweet with some grain flavor, nicely complex. an assertive but not harsh bitterness. Bitterness present early and persists after swallowing. Very slight warm alcohol.

Mouthfeel: nice carbonation fills the mouth. Full bodied but not even close to cloying.
Overall impression: Very drinkable and nicely balanced. Toby told me it is a couple months old and indeed, as expected the finishing hops aroma and flavor was minimal. Frankly I don't miss it in this style. The rich maltiness and firm balancing bitter makes this beer for me. I would not have noticed it by how drinkable this beer is, but because I was reviewing I noticed that the alcohol was perhaps a bit stronger than the drinkability suggested. Nice job, I want another.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 08, 2015, 12:41:56 AM
Brewer: Toby
American Amber

Aroma: Very slight hop aroma, mild maltiness, perhaps a whiff of carmel

Appearance: Dark amber medium clarity, 1/4 inch head with fine bubbles that persists for awhile then settles to a finer layer of froth covering 3/4 of surface. some lacing.

Flavor: Malt flavor was only a little sweet with some grain flavor, nicely complex. an assertive but not harsh bitterness. Bitterness present early and persists after swallowing. Very slight warm alcohol.

Mouthfeel: nice carbonation fills the mouth. Full bodied but not even close to cloying.
Overall impression: Very drinkable and nicely balanced. Toby told me it is a couple months old and indeed, as expected the finishing hops aroma and flavor was minimal. Frankly I don't miss it in this style. The rich maltiness and firm balancing bitter makes this beer for me. I would not have noticed it by how drinkable this beer is, but because I was reviewing I noticed that the alcohol was perhaps a bit stronger than the drinkability suggested. Nice job, I want another.
Glad you liked it, but you got the last bottle of the batch.  It's definitely getting brewed again in the next couple of months, though, and I'll hook you up with a couple.  It's all Amarillo, so when it's fresh, it's practically orange juice to me.  Citrus bomb with just the right balance of light caramel sweetness with citrusy bitterness.  It's right around 6% ABV.  I just got my medal in the mail for it from a local comp back in March (the AHA medals are notoriously slow lol).  I'll message you the recipe if you're interested.  It was a complete experiment since I took a standard amber recipe and changed up some of the malts (e.g. went with Carastan instead of C40 and Special B instead of C120).
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on May 08, 2015, 12:49:26 AM
Glad you liked it, but you got the last bottle of the batch.  It's definitely getting brewed again in the next couple of months, though, and I'll hook you up with a couple.  It's all Amarillo, so when it's fresh, it's practically orange juice to me.  Citrus bomb with just the right balance of light caramel sweetness with citrusy bitterness.  It's right around 6% ABV.  I just got my medal in the mail for it from a local comp back in March (the AHA medals are notoriously slow lol).  I'll message you the recipe if you're interested.  It was a complete experiment since I took a standard amber recipe and changed up some of the malts (e.g. went with Carastan instead of C40 and Special B instead of C120).

Sounds right up my alley… I'd like to see the recipe.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 08, 2015, 12:58:45 AM
Brewer: Toby
American Amber

Aroma: Very slight hop aroma, mild maltiness, perhaps a whiff of carmel

Appearance: Dark amber medium clarity, 1/4 inch head with fine bubbles that persists for awhile then settles to a finer layer of froth covering 3/4 of surface. some lacing.

Flavor: Malt flavor was only a little sweet with some grain flavor, nicely complex. an assertive but not harsh bitterness. Bitterness present early and persists after swallowing. Very slight warm alcohol.

Mouthfeel: nice carbonation fills the mouth. Full bodied but not even close to cloying.
Overall impression: Very drinkable and nicely balanced. Toby told me it is a couple months old and indeed, as expected the finishing hops aroma and flavor was minimal. Frankly I don't miss it in this style. The rich maltiness and firm balancing bitter makes this beer for me. I would not have noticed it by how drinkable this beer is, but because I was reviewing I noticed that the alcohol was perhaps a bit stronger than the drinkability suggested. Nice job, I want another.
Glad you liked it, but you got the last bottle of the batch.  It's definitely getting brewed again in the next couple of months, though, and I'll hook you up with a couple.  It's all Amarillo, so when it's fresh, it's practically orange juice to me.  Citrus bomb with just the right balance of light caramel sweetness with citrusy bitterness.  It's right around 6% ABV.  I just got my medal in the mail for it from a local comp back in March (the AHA medals are notoriously slow lol).  I'll message you the recipe if you're interested.  It was a complete experiment since I took a standard amber recipe and changed up some of the malts (e.g. went with Carastan instead of C40 and Special B instead of C120).
I would love the recipe. It would be great to try it fresh, I'm a fan of amarillo I think it would have definitly be even better if that aspect was a lot more evident. The bitterness really had a quality I like that I don't see much in commercial examples. Hopfundmaltz introduced the worg "suffig" that basically means "wanting more" and refers to the bitterness in German lagers I believe. Its like that.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 08, 2015, 01:57:49 AM
This is the recipe from BeerSmith, but I actually mashed slightly lower (more like 149-150) and overshot my efficiency by quite a bit (original estimate was 1.054 and I hit 1.061 and fermented down to 1.010 IIRC).

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Ambre Jaune
Brewer: Toby M Guidry
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Amber Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 13.47 gal
Post Boil Volume: 10.92 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 10.50 gal   
Bottling Volume: 10.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.054 SG
Estimated Color: 12.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 39.1 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 75.0 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
13.00 ml              Phosphoric Acid (Mash 60.0 mins)         Water Agent   1        -             
10.00 g               Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent   2        -             
6.00 g                Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins)        Water Agent   3        -             
16 lbs                Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)           Grain         4        76.2 %       
2 lbs                 Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM)               Grain         5        9.5 %         
1 lbs                 Carafoam (2.0 SRM)                       Grain         6        4.8 %         
1 lbs                 Carastan (37.0 SRM)                      Grain         7        4.8 %         
1 lbs                 Extra Special (Briess) (130.0 SRM)       Grain         8        4.8 %         
1.00 oz               Amarillo [9.20 %] - First Wort 90.0 min  Hop           9        21.0 IBUs     
1.00 oz               Amarillo [9.20 %] - Boil 30.0 min        Hop           10       13.7 IBUs     
1.00 oz               Amarillo [9.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool  15. Hop           11       4.4 IBUs     
2.0 pkg               American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [124.21 Yeast         12       -             
1.00 oz               Amarillo [9.20 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days    Hop           13       0.0 IBUs     


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 21 lbs
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Mash In           Add 26.25 qt of water at 167.1 F        152.0 F       60 min       

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (2.73gal, 6.78gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:
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Created with BeerSmith 2 - http://www.beersmith.com
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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: 69franx on May 08, 2015, 02:47:36 AM
Looks and sounds great Toby, just plugged into my beersmith for future use
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 08, 2015, 01:51:35 PM
Toby-
I'll review the Kolsch next and the 80/ last. When I do the 80/ I plan on taking my first stab at actual BJCP style scoring ( I promise not to ding it for "no peat character"  ;)) Since you know this beer so well, have had it scored many times, and are a certified judge, would you do me the kindness of actually critiquing my scoring/descriptions after I post it?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 08, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
Toby-
I'll review the Kolsch next and the 80/ last. When I do the 80/ I plan on taking my first stab at actual BJCP style scoring ( I promise not to ding it for "no peat character"  ;))
lol...yeah that's a pet peeve.  I'll see if I can write up a scoresheet on it over the weekend.  Just let me know which guidelines (2008 vs. 2015) you plan to use.  They aren't that different, but I'm actually liking the 2015 guidelines for the category better.
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Since you know this beer so well, have had it scored many times, and are a certified judge, would you do me the kindness of actually critiquing my scoring/descriptions after I post it?
Sure thing, but the Scotch is the one that has been entered a plethora of times.  The 80/- is its little brother.  Similar recipe, but obviously a lot smaller.
It would be a 9C under the 2008 Guidelines: http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php#1c
It would be a 14C under the 2015 Guidelines: http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 08, 2015, 04:54:21 PM
Toby-
I'll review the Kolsch next and the 80/ last. When I do the 80/ I plan on taking my first stab at actual BJCP style scoring ( I promise not to ding it for "no peat character"  ;))
lol...yeah that's a pet peeve.  I'll see if I can write up a scoresheet on it over the weekend.  Just let me know which guidelines (2008 vs. 2015) you plan to use.  They aren't that different, but I'm actually liking the 2015 guidelines for the category better.
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Since you know this beer so well, have had it scored many times, and are a certified judge, would you do me the kindness of actually critiquing my scoring/descriptions after I post it?
Sure thing, but the Scotch is the one that has been entered a plethora of times.  The 80/- is its little brother.  Similar recipe, but obviously a lot smaller.
It would be a 9C under the 2008 Guidelines: http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php#1c
It would be a 14C under the 2015 Guidelines: http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf
Gotcha. But still a good chance for me to get feedback on judging skills. BTW I like your using French names to go with your local heritage (Guidry must be common down there: I remember Ron "Louisiana Lightning'" Guidry). The best we can do in Massachusetts is call an amber an "ambah".
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 08, 2015, 07:57:11 PM
Gotcha. But still a good chance for me to get feedback on judging skills. BTW I like your using French names to go with your local heritage (Guidry must be common down there: I remember Ron "Louisiana Lightning'" Guidry). The best we can do in Massachusetts is call an amber an "ambah".
heh...yeah, Ron is a distant cousin.  Pretty much every Guidry (and alternate spellings) on the Gulf Coast is related somewhere along the line.  There were something like 13 brothers that got scattered in the Expulsion from Acadie.  Almost all of them wound up somewhere on the Gulf Coast between Houston and Biloxi.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 08, 2015, 09:45:54 PM
This is my first beer review ever. 

Brewer: Pete b
American Dark

Bottle Inspection: Proper fill, very small layer of sediment.

Aroma: Malty and mild hop aroma. Makes me want to keep smelling it.  Something unique about it.

Appearance: Brownish/Red hue. 1/4 head that goes away after a while. 

Flavor: First impression Matly/slight roast and slight chocolate with smooth bitterness.  Very clean and tasty.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with medium carbonation.

Overall Impression: Would drink this beer again. Good design and execution Pete!

Total: 3.8/5 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 08, 2015, 10:23:00 PM
Gotcha. But still a good chance for me to get feedback on judging skills. BTW I like your using French names to go with your local heritage (Guidry must be common down there: I remember Ron "Louisiana Lightning'" Guidry). The best we can do in Massachusetts is call an amber an "ambah".
heh...yeah, Ron is a distant cousin.  Pretty much every Guidry (and alternate spellings) on the Gulf Coast is related somewhere along the line.  There were something like 13 brothers that got scattered in the Expulsion from Acadie.  Almost all of them wound up somewhere on the Gulf Coast between Houston and Biloxi.
Sounds like the Guidry boys were well liked by the ladies. Its a unique culture that has contributed a lot to our artistic, culinary, and alternative culture. I really need to visit down there sometime.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 08, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
This is my first beer review ever. 

Brewer: Pete b
American Dark

Bottle Inspection: Proper fill, very small layer of sediment.

Aroma: Malty and mild hop aroma. Makes me want to keep smelling it.  Something unique about it.

Appearance: Brownish/Red hue. 1/4 head that goes away after a while. 

Flavor: First impression Matly/slight roast and slight chocolate with smooth bitterness.  Very clean and tasty.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with medium carbonation.

Overall Impression: Would drink this beer again. Good design and execution Pete!

Total: 3.8/5
Thanks Matt. It was an experiment that went well. The only change next time might be a bit of carafoam. I'm pleased with the subtle roast the modest amount of midnight wheat and TF Pale chocolate gave. BTW I'm going with "American Porter" from now on with that one. Good job with the review, you described it accurately.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 08, 2015, 10:41:35 PM
Brewer: Toby Guidry
Beer: Kolsch

Aroma: Grainy sweetness, earthy. I'm throwing in the towel a little here: there is an aroma from some german and dutch styles that is ubiquitous but I just can't describe it. Does it come from the noble hops? I don't know.
Appearance: bright gold, nice clarity. Thin, wispy head with some lacing.
Flavor: Slight sweetness, a pleasant but subtle lemony flavor without tartness followed by a smooth bitterness that only lingers a few seconds.
Mouthfeel: Medium body, well carbonated, semi-dry finish
Overall Impression: A well made Kolsch. Good malt/hops balance, very drinkable. I've had some disappointing versions of this style lately so this was very welcome.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 09, 2015, 12:33:31 AM
Brewer: Toby Guidry
Beer: Kolsch

Aroma: Grainy sweetness, earthy. I'm throwing in the towel a little here: there is an aroma from some german and dutch styles that is ubiquitous but I just can't describe it. Does it come from the noble hops? I don't know.
Yeah, in this case, that light spicy/slightly earthy is Hallertau hops.  I usually use Spalt, but the LHBS didn't have any.  There should also be the distinctive apple/pear aroma of the Kolsch yeast.
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Appearance: bright gold, nice clarity. Thin, wispy head with some lacing.
Flavor: Slight sweetness, a pleasant but subtle lemony flavor without tartness followed by a smooth bitterness that only lingers a few seconds.
That's First Wort Hopping in action. lol I noticed after the fact that the AA on the Hallertau was almost twice what it usually is, so it actually came out a little more bitter than it should have.
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Mouthfeel: Medium body, well carbonated, semi-dry finish
Overall Impression: A well made Kolsch. Good malt/hops balance, very drinkable. I've had some disappointing versions of this style lately so this was very welcome.
It's hard to get a good example, honestly.  The only one available around here is Reisdorf, and it's rare to find it fresh.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 09, 2015, 11:25:13 AM
Brewer: Toby Guidry
Beer: Kolsch

Aroma: Grainy sweetness, earthy. I'm throwing in the towel a little here: there is an aroma from some german and dutch styles that is ubiquitous but I just can't describe it. Does it come from the noble hops? I don't know.
Yeah, in this case, that light spicy/slightly earthy is Hallertau hops.  I usually use Spalt, but the LHBS didn't have any.  There should also be the distinctive apple/pear aroma of the Kolsch yeast.
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Appearance: bright gold, nice clarity. Thin, wispy head with some lacing.
Flavor: Slight sweetness, a pleasant but subtle lemony flavor without tartness followed by a smooth bitterness that only lingers a few seconds.
That's First Wort Hopping in action. lol I noticed after the fact that the AA on the Hallertau was almost twice what it usually is, so it actually came out a little more bitter than it should have.
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Mouthfeel: Medium body, well carbonated, semi-dry finish
Overall Impression: A well made Kolsch. Good malt/hops balance, very drinkable. I've had some disappointing versions of this style lately so this was very welcome.
It's hard to get a good example, honestly.  The only one available around here is Reisdorf, and it's rare to find it fresh.
I knew you said you over bittered but honestly, ibu's aside, if its not harsh bitterness the more the better within reason IMO.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 09, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
This is going very well so far guys. By looking through the whole thread we still have 8 people who have not posted a review yet. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on May 09, 2015, 01:41:02 PM
My beer is slated to arrive any day now.  Not that I could drink it anyway, I'm currently on call at work until Monday.  :P
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 09, 2015, 03:42:11 PM
I knew you said you over bittered but honestly, ibu's aside, if its not harsh bitterness the more the better within reason IMO.
No, it's not harsh at all, just wouldn't score as well for style as a Kolsch.  It's more a Kolsch/Pils hybrid.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hickory on May 09, 2015, 04:02:55 PM
I'll be drinking one or two of Sean's brews tonight. The wife will be away so I'll have time to kick back, watch the Rangers, and enjoy.
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 10, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
Ok Jim, hang on till the end :) Not the best beer you sent.

 Brewer : Jim Leininger (Klickitat Jim(
Beer : Mixed Fermentation Sour Beer
Style : Mixed Fermentation Sour Beer (28B, 2015 Guidelines)

Bottle Inspection : 12 oz brown bottle, red crown. Slight high fill

Aroma : Stong sweet tinned pineapple juice. Apparent sour aroma, slight spice/pepper. Subdued brett funk. Some tea notes, bergamot. No hops, no DMS, no diacetyl.
9/12 pts

Appearance : Bright, no haze, golden. Pours with a thin high white frothy head, falls to persistent thin foam cap, light lace  3/3 pts.

Flavor : Suprisingly low sourness. Pineapple juice, low acidity, malty backbone. Subtle flavors develop slowly - missing the striking lacto bite & brett funk. Needs to age. Tastes young.     8/20 pts

Mouthfeel : Medium to Medium Light body, some slickness - not thin. Effervescent. No astringency.   3/5 pts

Overall Impression :  Amazing aroma, but flavors are not as sharp or clean as pungent aroma promises. I suspect this will age into more crisp fruit, funk and acidity. Maybe lactic acid or fruit in secondary will open this up.   6/10 pts

29/50 pts

Notes:
I can taste the potential for a really lovely and subtle beer. The flavors are just muted, but come up when warming to promise something special with a long age. I know this will change in the bottle (or in bulk) with age. Judging against the new style description was different, since this it is really wide open. This is a very well made beer that with a little work can become quite good. For comps, I fear it is just going to be too subtle. As is, with a little spice tincture, could serve as a saison (although I don't think the new guidelines allow for the brett character - fruity pineapple in this case with light funk). This also might benefit from a little tannic addition, maybe a long age on oak soaked in cabernet - I would stay away from any strong liquor notes.

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 10, 2015, 07:20:53 PM
Interesting observations. The judges at Seattle both said pineapple, but they got high sourness. Could just be the bottle I suppose. Could be they havent had a texas sour yet ;-) That brett lambicus definitely isnt as funky as brux, though I've heard that the fruitiness mutates to funk over time. Unfortunately, the wife loved that beer and you got the last bottle.

There's one think I failed to mention on my notes, and to not make this sound like a personal conversation I will share the full run down. That was my first sour, brewed early last summer. Grain bill was 50/50 pale/American munich 10L. <10 IBU Willamette at 10 minutes I think. A starter of lactobaccilus buchneri for 7 days at 90º, (heres the missing part)  smack pack of NW Ale at 68 for about 5 days, no gravity change, brett lambicus at 68 for total of two months. Gravity was 1.003 or so for a couple weeks so I bottled it, bottle conditioned for 3 volumes.

I dont think the NW Ale pitch did anything. I think that the willamette late hop altered the typical brett L cherry-pie to pineapple. I have a few things im going to do differently on this summer's sours. But, for a first sour that one was... an ok maiden voyage. I'm jazzed to try your sours.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 10, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
Jim it was good, drinkable and I enjoyed the whole thing. It got a lot better as it warmed. I did let it set out about 15 minutes before sampling - so it should have been the right temps.

Maybe I am just used to scorching acidity up front that fades to layers of crisp flavors? Some commercial sours have it - many are just one-note sour and too many are vinegar. I should have added some lactic to see if it opened it up a bit more. Shame that was the last bottle - like I said - it should age really well. I kind of wonder if the lacto was coming back up - there was a slight slickness I noticed, but no diacetyl. I always expect these to be super dry as well.

The aroma was characteristic of Trois and Brux... I always get that from Trois after primary. Brux in secondary seems to really bring the funk. I wonder about the brett/hops interplay - sometimes I get bright hop character, othertimes it folds down into tobacco and wet leaves for me (you should see that in the B bottle I sent). Part of the fun for wild beers - always some surprises. Only once have I gotten the cherry pie thing - and that was from Roselaire dregs of all things. I did drop the dregs into my sour beer jar, and added some dubbel on top. Will pitch it all into my barrel later this summer with a saison.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 10, 2015, 08:07:09 PM
Awesome. Ya, I just don't know on these sours. Thats part of the fun. Figuring it out. I think there's a wide range of just about everything out there to explore. I hear ya on trying to game competitions though. I hope that slam your lips shut sour isnt going to be the only winning character, or barn floor dead donkey funkiness. Kind of how heart stopping bitterness was for a while with IPAs. But no doubt the American Wild category will change and expand over time. I'm really looking forward to learning the game aling the way.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 10, 2015, 09:13:03 PM
And just in case... the 29 does not bother me a bit. No offense or hurt feelers at all. And I am really looking forward to induldging with that Texas style chewing tabbaki funk bomb!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 10, 2015, 09:20:56 PM
And just in case... the 29 does not bother me a bit. No offense or hurt feelers at all. And I am really looking forward to induldging with that Texas style chewing tabbaki funk bomb!

Cool. Hope you enjoy them!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 10, 2015, 09:32:19 PM
 Hey fellow swappers,

I'm going to preface my first evaluation with a waiver: I am not a beer judge, though I have judged. So, I have decided to do what many other swappers have done, and that is evaluate the beers without a numerical assessment. I think, for me at least, a numerical evaluation would be arbitrary. With that said, I am going to do my best, as a writer, to describe the beer and give a fair evaluation. So, here goes:

AHA Beer Swap 2015 Beer Evaluation
Brewer: Dave Taylor (dmtaylor)
Style: 27A Standard Cider (U.S. 05 Cider)
Serving type/Glass: 12oz. longneck bottle into 16 oz. Mason jar
Appearance: brilliantly clear and very pale straw color with just a wispy ring of bubbles around the glass.
Aroma: faint apple, very clean, redolent of apple pie without the crust. Apples
   intensify as it sits, skin adding tannins as well as flesh with its sweetness.
Taste: mild, slightly tart, more like apple juice than cider. Only a trace of alcohol is evident. Hits the
   sweet spot between sweetness and dryness; not cloying, finishes dry. Very clean.
Mouth-feel: still, light, with slight pucker though the middle and a neutral finish.
Overall impression: This cider is light, refreshing and enjoyable. I can imagine drinking this with a nice
   barbecued piece of fish; swordfish, salmon, cod, flounder or haddock at a lazy cookout. Nice job, Dave!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 10, 2015, 09:42:28 PM
#mouthwatering

Some day I have to press my own.

Good review!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on May 11, 2015, 12:40:54 AM
Glad you enjoyed the cider, Frank!  It was a very simple and straight-forward cider with US-05 yeast.  I am a purist and don't add any other sugars or spices or odd chemicals to my ciders, just the real deal.  I'm sure I've listed the process on threads elsewhere on the forums, if anyone wants to see how I do it.  I find that heat pasteurization, a slow fermentation, racking often, with gelatin to remove yeast when necessary, are the keys to my favorite kind of cider.  I used no nutrients, pectinase, sulfites or sorbate, usually don't -- haven't found it to be necessary.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 11, 2015, 01:56:47 AM
Decided to use the shiny new 2015 guidelines for this one (although they really didn't change much for this style other than category).

Brewer: Jerry Hodge (ynotbrusum)
Beer: Dry Stout
Style: Irish Stout (15B - 2015 Guidelines)

Bottle Inspection:  Mr. Beer 0.5L, no sediment   

Aroma: Moderate coffee with low chocolate.  Very low dark fruit (cherry).  No diacetyl or hop aroma detected.  A hint of vanilla as it warms more. 10/12

Appearance: Black with slight ruby tint at the edges.  Practically opaque with a one finger tan head with moderate retention.  Lots of fine bubbles with creamy lacing. 3/3

Flavor: Moderate dark roast coffee with just the right touch of roasty bitterness to balance the very faint chocolatey sweetness.  Moderate-low dark bread crust mid-palate.  No hop flavor to speak of.  Well balanced with a roasty finish that lingers only a second. 17/20

Mouthfeel: Medium-full bodied with moderate carbonation (higher in the mouthfeel than appearance).  Lightly dry in the finish but not astringent.  No diacetyl slickness.  Only the barest hint of alcohol warmth. 5/5

Overall Impression: Excellent beer! I think it maybe lost a touch of carbonation in transit since the head wasn't quite as thick as I would have liked, but I expect the transportation of the PET bottles probably has everything to do with that. 8/10


Total Score: 43/50

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Thanks for the comments and I am glad you liked the stout.  I was out of town the last few days, so I will be getting to the judging of the beers I received later this week from Cascadesrunner!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 11, 2015, 11:50:20 PM
Brewer: Toby
Beer: 80/- (Scottish Export) 14c 2015 BJCP Guidelines
This is my first try at actually using scores so grain of salt and I welcome feedback on the feedback.
Aroma: Rich, caramel malt aroma. No hops aroma. Didn't get any other biscuit aromas. 9/12
Appearance: Dark brown, with some amber/reddish hue on sides and bottom. Very thin head 2/3
Flavor: Malty with medium sweetness carmel flavor dominates my palette, nicely tame but balancing bitterness. 17/20
Mouthfeel: Creamy, low carbonation, dare I say "luxurious" but not slick. 4/5
Overall Impression: A nicely done version that compares favorably to Belhaven which I have fairly regularly. The balance of sweetness and caramel with the bittering hops is done exceptionally well in this beer, making it more drinkable than I usually find this style. My only suggestion is I would welcome a little English hop floral aroma/flavor to add complexity. Nice job Toby, I really enjoyed this beer. 8/10
40/50
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 12, 2015, 01:43:40 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dljfetc6jh0h1tz/IMG_0573.JPG?dl=0

Here's my first review - a Saison from Cascadesrunner:

Brewer: Drew Sauser (Cascadesrunner)

Category: 16 /Subcategory: C  - Saison

Bottle Inspection:  Appropriate Fill (Bomber - 22 oz.  Thanks!)

Aroma:  Fruity and slightly bready initially, mild earthiness in hop aroma; fruit is pear-like and slightly orange to tangerine rind with mild pepper as it warms.  No diacetyl.  9/12

Appearance:  Persistent off-white and rocky head; pale orange color; slightly hazy but fairly clear on initial pour; second pour was a bit more hazy so it must have settle out some in the week or so that passed from when received and refrigerated.  Not a problem there, however. 3/3

Flavor:  Soft malt character; fully attenuated to achieve profile expected in flavors present from the yeast; fruity and peppery; malt dominates the balance over any hop detected, which was simply earthy; very mildly sour like some wheat malts produce or perhaps simply the yeast selected in that respect.  No diacetyl. Clean refreshing finish; good grain selection as pils malt breadiness is evident with likely munich or Vienna balancing some as well. 16/20

Mouthfeel:  Effervescent carbonation early, but no carbonic bite; medium body, no alcohol warmth - the absence of which is appreciated in all respects.  Dry finish as expected.  Slight acidity from mild sourness is prickly mid-palate, but not distracting.  3/5

Overall Impression:  A very good example of the style.  Not a DuPont-like saison, rather milder and restrained funk - but all good on that count. A truly enjoyable beer that would go well with salmon grilled on the plank with a fresh garden salad with mild red onion, vinaigrette dressing and garlic croutons.  Fermentation was handled well - you could go warmer if you want to increase the esters and phenolics a bit, but the fermentation profile utilized here restrained the extreme flavors that can arise in this style, which worked well, if youintended to do that.  All in all, a well done, solid beer.  It would sell!  Cheers.  8/10

Total Score 39/50



Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 12, 2015, 02:12:16 AM
Brewer: Pete b

Notes from Pete on the Beer. 

Bretted Peach Saison: Last summer I racked some of a large batch of Rhubarb Rye Saison ( 1.050 og, 1.012 fg) onto some peaches from my tree and pitched brett l. it has been in my root cellar since racking off the peaches in September until bottling in March.

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Unfortunately this beer lost it’s carbonation on the trip over. 
 
Aroma: Sour and some peach. 

Appearance: Very Clear as you can see.  Nice yellow color.


Flavor: Sour/ Peach. Finished very dry.  I’m sure Rhubarb was in there but been so long since I’ve had it I can’t remember the smell or flavor.

Overall:  This beer was very good, even better if carbed up. 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 12, 2015, 11:18:44 AM
Bummer about the Carb. I only had it left in grolsch bottles and was afraid that would happen. At least it didn't leak. The original fig was a bit high for a saison but the brett brought it down to close to 1.000. I plan on making 10 gallons every year but with a different saison recipe, just because I have gotten better at saisons. I'll probably use about 25# of peaches when I add the brett. Also each year I'll add fresh peaches to a portion of the one year old stuff and let it work for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jimmykx250 on May 13, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
Brewer: Frank (Frankenbrew)
Kolsch
Fill seemed good
Nice aroma slightly sweet smelling
I must say this beer is crystal clear and nicely carbonated.
Another beer style im not familiar with but here are my thoughts.
This is a light clean bright refreshing beer. Slightly sweet in a good way and carbonated perfectly. This to me is the perfect beer to be sitting on the porch drinking on a hot summer day. Very nice beer frank!
I would like to brew this beer and wonder how critical the wyeast 2565 is to producing this crisp clean flavor.
Thanks again Frank for the sassion from grassroots that was a very unique beer!! Overall this has been a great experience for me to be able to sample another home brewers brew and gauge where I am at. I have some work to do but that's ok the learning curve is fun:)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 13, 2015, 01:51:35 PM
There are going to be some slight differences in our experience, since I pulled a sample off the kegerator, but...
Brewer: Toby
Beer: 80/- (Scottish Export) 14c 2015 BJCP Guidelines
This is my first try at actually using scores so grain of salt and I welcome feedback on the feedback.
Aroma: Rich, caramel malt aroma. No hops aroma. Didn't get any other biscuit aromas. 9/12
I got a few more things out of it.  Moderate caramel with moderate low toffee and toasted bread.  Low dark fruit (plum and raisin).  No hop aroma or diacetyl.  Very slight chocolate, cherry, and pear as it warmed.
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Appearance: Dark brown, with some amber/reddish hue on sides and bottom. Very thin head 2/3
I had it noted as deep copper with one finger off-white head with moderate retention.  High clarity.  Lots of fine bubbles with light creamy lacing.
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Flavor: Malty with medium sweetness carmel flavor dominates my palette, nicely tame but balancing bitterness. 17/20
My notes had moderate caramel and toffee.  Medium-low toasted bread.  Very light earthy hop flavor, but balancing bitterness which keeps it from being cloying.  Medium-low plum and a hint of cherry.  Finishes balanced with a very slight bitter chocolate that lingers only a second.
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Mouthfeel: Creamy, low carbonation, dare I say "luxurious" but not slick. 4/5
I had medium bodied with moderate-low carbonation.  Very light dryness in the finish.  No diacetyl slickness.  Tiny hint of alcohol warmth.
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Overall Impression: A nicely done version that compares favorably to Belhaven which I have fairly regularly. The balance of sweetness and caramel with the bittering hops is done exceptionally well in this beer, making it more drinkable than I usually find this style. My only suggestion is I would welcome a little English hop floral aroma/flavor to add complexity. Nice job Toby, I really enjoyed this beer. 8/10
40/50
Glad you enjoyed.  I've had this recipe around a long time (1995 or 1996).  It was loosely based on Belhaven as well as some recipes from Noonan's book.  Scots ales of all types are fairly straightforward beers.  I'll keep the hop comment in mind for next time.  It's all EKG, but mostly FWH for bitterness.  I have a pretty small late hop addition (5 minutes), but I may bump that up or split batch experiment with some dry hopping.

From a scoring/description standpoint, you were within 4 points of my score, but I'm biased.  If you decide to ever pursue certification, the biggest thing that they look for is more description.  You want to assign levels to the things you sense (high, medium, low, etc.).  The more adjectives the better.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 13, 2015, 06:01:37 PM
Thanks for the feedback Toby. I really need to have an ah ha moment with biscuit/bread flavors and aromas. I never pick them up which makes me think I don't get what they are. In other words I don't perceive them in a way I identify with bread/biscuits/ cracker. I am trying to pay attention so one day I just get it. Two things I perceived faintly but maybe wasn't confident enough to write: the fruit and dry finish. It does sound like my sample had less carbonation and much less head. Good advice about modifying with high/ low etc.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 14, 2015, 12:19:49 AM
Brewer: Frank (Frankenbrew)
Kolsch
Fill seemed good
Nice aroma slightly sweet smelling
I must say this beer is crystal clear and nicely carbonated.
Another beer style im not familiar with but here are my thoughts.
This is a light clean bright refreshing beer. Slightly sweet in a good way and carbonated perfectly. This to me is the perfect beer to be sitting on the porch drinking on a hot summer day. Very nice beer frank!
I would like to brew this beer and wonder how critical the wyeast 2565 is to producing this crisp clean flavor.
Thanks again Frank for the sassion from grassroots that was a very unique beer!! Overall this has been a great experience for me to be able to sample another home brewers brew and gauge where I am at. I have some work to do but that's ok the learning curve is fun:)

Thanks, Jimmy!

I'm glad that you liked the beers, and that you feel like you got a lot from the experience. You're absolutely right; it's all about the learning. I've been brewing for 21 years now, and I'm still learning.

I do think that kolsch yeast is essential to brewing the style, and by the way you are absolutely right about sitting on the porch with this one; It's exactly how I feel about it. Anyway the ironic thing about the kolsh is that although the recipe I sent with the beer says Wy2565, I actually used the White Labs WLP029 on that one. Either one is good, though the 2565 is a little bit fruitier than the 029. Also the 029 isn't as fussy about fermentation temperature, and finally the 029 flocs a little better giving you a clearer beer. Needless to say, I have switched to the WLP029. But my advice is to try them both and see which one you prefer. They both make a great kolsh, and no other yeast can do it, IMHO.

Thanks for the kind reviews.

Frank
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 14, 2015, 12:43:04 AM
+1.  Definitely no substitute for kolsch yeast in a kolsch, Frank. Pretty unique stuff.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 16, 2015, 12:45:15 AM
AHA Beer Swap 2015 Beer Evaluation
Brewer: Dave Taylor (dmtaylor)
Style: Dusseldorf Altbier 7C
Serving type/Glass: 12 oz. longneck into a stange
Appearance: Nice looking beer! It pours coppery brown with a one finger head that persists with large round bubbles. Crystal clear with ruby red highlights and a constant upward cascade of  bubbles. Very appealing; makes me want to take a chug, but I resist. This is, after all, a tasting!
Aroma: Very clean; lager like. No, extremely clean. After warming I detect a subtle nutty aroma. No fruitiness or diacytel. I wonder if this has been lagered for a long time; it is so clean smelling.
Taste: Perfectly balanced upon first sip. The elements are in complete harmony rather than fighting it out for my attention. Malt, yeast and hops seem to be acquiescing to each other, each saying, “you first. No, you first. Okay, you go ahead.” Ultimately it is the hops that win, though it is through pure strength rather than flamboyance because though they are strong, they are clean and humble. But, just when I think that the bitterness stands out, here comes the malt which is unobtrusive yet holds its own with its bitter counterpart. No yeast character to speak of, but that’s the point of a good alt, very clean; flawless
Mouth-feel: Effervescent; the excellent carbonation gives this beer a full feeling though it is relatively sessionable. Full feel gives way slowly to a soft, lingering aftertaste that is very pleasant, neither too sweet nor too dry.
Overall impression: This beer is a winner! I don’t feel comfortable assigning numbers to beers, but I’d be tempted to rate this one easily into the forties. The only drawback, if it is a drawback is that I would expect a beer with this much flavor and mouthfeel to have a more prominent aroma. With that said, it could be me; it is, after all, allergy season. This is a great all-season, all-around beer. I can imagine having a cold glass of this alt with a lunch of weiner schnitzel in late fall/early winter. A well-made beer. Nice job, Dave!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 16, 2015, 01:05:46 AM
Man, that makes me want a big glass. Nice descriptions, Frank !
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 16, 2015, 01:12:02 AM
Great job, both brewer and reviewer.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: majorvices on May 16, 2015, 09:24:23 AM
I am not a fan of reviewing beers so I am probably the worst of the forum at doing so. I look for flaws and if I find them I bring them to attention (and I'm pretty good at finding flaws) but as far as descriptors I just don't go for it so much.

I got the pleasure of reciveing  jimmykx250 beers. I've enjoyed 2 of them so far. Happy to say I found no flaws or offlavors!

The first was his Pliny Clone. This beer was till very fresh (brewed 3/7/15) as, as I have had the pleasure to drink Pliny with Vinny before, I can tell you this actually reminded me of Pliny very much. Nice clarity, strong and bright hop presence. Citrussy and slightly fruity but dry. hid the ABV very well. Would have liked a little more aroma but a very ncie beer.

The second was his black IPA. I admit I am not a fan of the style but I did enjoy his, There was a perfume quality in the nose that I kept finding myself coming back for. A slight roast character, nice malty balance.

I'll be back to review his other 2 beers after the weekend.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 16, 2015, 05:01:39 PM
Keith, your beers showed up today. Thanks! I'll let them chill a bit and get to work on them later this week.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: 3bbrewing on May 16, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
Greetings everyone..  I had the good fortune to get beers from "Hooper". 

1.  Simcoe Trois Pale -   This beer poured a clear medium yellow with a nice white head that turned to a skim and lasted throughout the drink.  The upfront aromas were a nice pine and passion fruit like aroma backed by some bready malt.  The body was light medium with nice carbonation.  There was a nice malt flavor upfront followed by a solid slightly lingering bitterness and a tiny hint of funk.  Glenn said he brewed this with WLP644 Brett Trois and it came through nicely.  This beer was rock solid and delicious. 


2.  India Red Ale - This beer poured a nice red color; much like the elusive perfect Irish red.   It had a nice off white head that turned to a skim lasting throughout the drink.   This was one of the most prettiest beers I've seen in a long time.  Soft Beer Porn! ;-)  The aroma was a very pleasant general citrus with grapefruit and pine.  There was a very soft malt aroma also.  This had a nice medium mouthfeel and good carbonation.  I really liked the hop flavors of grapefruit and pine coupled with the solid malt flavor.  It seemed sweet yet wasn't really sweet at all...just the malt giving that impression which really supported the hop nicely.

3.  Soma Saison – this beer poured a nice yellow with a lasting rocky white head.  It had a very nice "sweet" malt aroma, some light citrus, and a little funk/sour going on.  The mouthfeel was medium light and had good carbonation.  This beer  had a wonderful malt flavor, nice hops and a little sour/funk that made it a stand-out.  This was by far my wife's favorite and if pressed to pick one, it would be mine too. 

All three beers I received from Hooper were really good.  Yea - I would pay for them.  I live in the "most breweries in USA" city of San Diego.  I know it's much harder and different to brew on a large scale, but the 3 that Glenn sent would stand up just fine against 80% of the breweries in SD.  That's 90+ of them (excluding the duplicate locations of some breweries...).

Thank you Hooper!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mchrispen on May 16, 2015, 08:31:08 PM
The final of Jim's generous 4 beers. Jim, after judging barrel aged beers, of which most were Scottish ales, I think you and Toby need to swap a few!

Brewer : Jim Leininger (Klickitat Jim)
Beer : Scottish 90 Shilling
Style : Scottish 80 (9C, 2008 Guidelines)

Bottle Inspection : 12 oz brown bottle, gold crown. Perfect fill. Some sediment.

Aroma : Light caramel sweetness, mild floral hops, low fruity ester. No DMS or Diacetyl. NO SMOKE?!?! :)
10/12 pts

Appearance : Bright, Coppery red, White/OffWhite head, pours to 2 fingers. Falls to lace and a lingering ring. 3/3 pts.

Flavor : Medium sweet malt - mild and very round and mellow. Great balance with hops - which are present but in harmony. Not overly sweet. No kettle "scortch", mild kettle carmelization    17/20 pts

Mouthfeel : Medium body, low carbonation with a soft creamy finish. Mild grainy caramel aftertaste that lingers. No astringency.   4/5 pts

Overall Impression :  An excellent beer. Better than a few I have had in Scotland. Lovely restrained caramel that soften the apparent hops flavor. If anything is missing - it is a more apparent kettle carmelization character, but not really missed in the drinking here. 8 /10 pts

42/50 pts

Notes:
I can see this scoring consistently high in competitions. Very lovely beer, maybe on the more subtle side of Scot 90/. Jim, this may well be the best beer of the set. You are an incredibly skilled brewer and deserved the 42 at NHC Round 1! I can only guess that its subtleties were an Achilles Heel against others with a touch more sharp caramel/burned tone, or smoke.

No photo today - beat after a humid brew day (96% humidity, but only 86F). I might as well move back to southern Mississippi! We need the rain to fully bust the 10 year drought... but it's like breathing underwater down here!

Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 16, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
Wow im honored. Glad you liked it. I worked on scottish for quite a while, dialing in that beer and at the same time dialing in my overall process. I was afraid it was getting too "carmely" and thought about not doing the first gallon reduction trick, but you've convinced me to keep it. I will be rebrewing a couple batches of that this fall. I've got saisons going right now and the next 3 or 4 months will be American Wild beers. After that comes Scottish, Old School APA, then its lager season before you know it.

Anyway, thanks gobs for the excellent feedback and help!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Hooper on May 16, 2015, 10:54:54 PM
Greetings everyone..  I had the good fortune to get beers from "Hooper". 

1.  Simcoe Trois Pale -   This beer poured a clear medium yellow with a nice white head that turned to a skim and lasted throughout the drink.  The upfront aromas were a nice pine and passion fruit like aroma backed by some bready malt.  The body was light medium with nice carbonation.  There was a nice malt flavor upfront followed by a solid slightly lingering bitterness and a tiny hint of funk.  Glenn said he brewed this with WLP644 Brett Trois and it came through nicely.  This beer was rock solid and delicious. 


2.  India Red Ale - This beer poured a nice red color; much like the elusive perfect Irish red.   It had a nice off white head that turned to a skim lasting throughout the drink.   This was one of the most prettiest beers I've seen in a long time.  Soft Beer Porn! ;-)  The aroma was a very pleasant general citrus with grapefruit and pine.  There was a very soft malt aroma also.  This had a nice medium mouthfeel and good carbonation.  I really liked the hop flavors of grapefruit and pine coupled with the solid malt flavor.  It seemed sweet yet wasn't really sweet at all...just the malt giving that impression which really supported the hop nicely.

3.  Soma Saison – this beer poured a nice yellow with a lasting rocky white head.  It had a very nice "sweet" malt aroma, some light citrus, and a little funk/sour going on.  The mouthfeel was medium light and had good carbonation.  This beer  had a wonderful malt flavor, nice hops and a little sour/funk that made it a stand-out.  This was by far my wife's favorite and if pressed to pick one, it would be mine too. 

All three beers I received from Hooper were really good.  Yea - I would pay for them.  I live in the "most breweries in USA" city of San Diego.  I know it's much harder and different to brew on a large scale, but the 3 that Glenn sent would stand up just fine against 80% of the breweries in SD.  That's 90+ of them (excluding the duplicate locations of some breweries...).

Thank you Hooper!

Thanks for the very generous review Brian...BTW that Garage Brewing Co. Hatch Chili IPA you sent was fantastic...I would love to be able to brew that...
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: 3bbrewing on May 16, 2015, 11:47:53 PM
Great - glad you liked it.  The brewer at Garage is in our homebrew club.  I can ask him if he has a scaled down recipe he can share.  My understanding is that he did his training in Germany and has since brewed at many breweries here - seems mostly east coast if I recall. 
Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on May 17, 2015, 02:00:58 AM
Brewer – Pete b
Cranberry Mead
First off I would like to share that this was brewed in 2009 with fresh cranberries and local honey.  I was really excited to try this mead with my friend who likes mead too.
Aroma – Cranberry /honey.  I know the obvious right.
Appearance – Crystal clear amber.
Flavor – Starts tart from the cranberry then finishes very very dry with honey flavor.  All I can say is delicious.  No alcohol taste.  Can you send more immediately for further evaluation! And I do not even like cranberry.
Overall – All I and my buddy can say is this mead stands tall to other meads that we have tried.  I would buy this mead. This recipe is a keeper. 47/50.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/16/26cfe9b4dce8afa2f1d423870c86fb55.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on May 17, 2015, 02:35:01 AM
Hickory's Beer #2

Belgian Dubbel:

Appearance: Deep Amber..... Clear and Ruby Red in the light.  Moderate white head.  Dissipates to a thin, lingering head that continues to lace the glass.

Aroma:  Sweet.  Malty, complex.... caramel, some raisin/plum aroma.  No spicy, phenolic.  No chocolate or roast aromas.  Clean.....

Flavor: Wow...... malty.  rich sweetness, complex.  Some moderate fruit esters.... raisin.  Plum.   No significant spicy or phenolic flavors.  No significant hop flavors. No off flavors.  Really clean, rich and malty.

Mouthfeel:  Medium.  Moderate to low carbonation.  No astringency.  Very moderate alcohol warmth, appropriate to style.  Not hotness from alcohol.

Overall Impression.... this is a great beer.  Hits all the style points.  Also (purely to my personal preference) it avoids some of the "belgian" characteristics I am not personally fond of such as phenolic, spice, alcohol hotness. Rich, complex beer.  Very malty.... and yet not overly sweet. Finishes dry and drinkable.  I am not a huge fan of Belgian beers, but this reminds me of Flying Fish Dubbel - a belgian beer I really like.

Criticism: ????? I have little to criticize.  Super nice beer.  really good.  I can't believe this is your 8th beer.  Nice work.  Perhaps a touch undercarbed for style - but that is splitting hairs and I like the slightly lower carbonation personally. 

40(ish) / 50  - this is really a nice beer.  THANKS!

(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w495/kpk028/dubbel_zpsgkrmy3v4.jpg) (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/kpk028/media/dubbel_zpsgkrmy3v4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 17, 2015, 02:38:36 AM
Dang that's a pretty one!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 17, 2015, 12:14:02 PM
Brewer – Pete b
Cranberry Mead
First off I would like to share that this was brewed in 2009 with fresh cranberries and local honey.  I was really excited to try this mead with my friend who likes mead too.
Aroma – Cranberry /honey.  I know the obvious right.
Appearance – Crystal clear amber.
Flavor – Starts tart from the cranberry then finishes very very dry with honey flavor.  All I can say is delicious.  No alcohol taste.  Can you send more immediately for further evaluation! And I do not even like cranberry.
Overall – All I and my buddy can say is this mead stands tall to other meads that we have tried.  I would buy this mead. This recipe is a keeper. 47/50.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/16/26cfe9b4dce8afa2f1d423870c86fb55.jpg)
I think I mentioned this when I originally pm'd Mark but I was the assistant to my girlfriend who is the meadmaker in the family. One of the best things about home brewing is that you can do things that brewers trying to make a profit can't do .At our house this often means using crazy quantities of super fresh ripe local,  usually home grown fruit in season.
I'm glad you liked it Mark.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: majorvices on May 17, 2015, 12:42:21 PM
Keith, your beers showed up today. Thanks! I'll let them chill a bit and get to work on them later this week.

Awesome! Hope you liked the styrofoam bomber protector. I had to modify it slightly to fix the box but should be reusable.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 17, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
Keith, your beers showed up today. Thanks! I'll let them chill a bit and get to work on them later this week.

Awesome! Hope you liked the styrofoam bomber protector. I had to modify it slightly to fix the box but should be reusable.
You know me too well. I definitely save stuff like that
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 17, 2015, 07:07:10 PM
(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy175/ynotbrusum/57136566e21a39540697ab7982f5036e.jpg)

Brewer: Drew Sauser - cascades runner

Category - 11C (2008) Northern English Brown Ale

Bottle Inspection:  nice fill to mid neck, Grand Teton Brewing cap

Aroma: nice caramel notes; fruity esters - Apple and pear notes slight to very low; slight hop earthiness in the background, very low but detectable; no diacetyl 10/12

Appearance: reddish brown, brilliant clarity, rich and lasting off-white to light tan head - dense and persistent, shrinking to about 3/8ths inch with tight small bubbles 3/3

Flavor: Very malty early, light caramel notes found; fairly well balanced hops to malts; bitterness clearly present but holding firmly in the background and helping with the dry finish then giving way to the malts to let them shine through in the aftertaste - definitely to style in this regard; minimal fruity esters, no diacetyl, fully attenuated 18/20

Mouthfeel:  medium body, dry aftertaste, but enough lingering malt to urge another sip; lightly creamy, no alcohol warmth or astringency, slight prickly sensation from carbonation - well carbonated no carbonic bite 5/5

Overall Impression: a very good example of the style - enjoyable drink that would go well with a steak and garlic mashed potatoes or shepherds pie. No flaws in this beer.  Congratulations and please post the recipe, including yeast used.  This is the highest score I have ever given for a beer I have judged.  Technical merit is highly accomplished without any suggestions for improvement. 9/10

Total: 45/50

Comments - wow that is good.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 17, 2015, 07:29:56 PM
Wow! We may have a winner there
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 17, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
Sounds fantastic.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 17, 2015, 11:12:34 PM
Brewer: Jerry Hodge (ynotbrusum)
Beer: Rye IPA
Style: Specialty IPA - Rye IPA (21B - 2015 Guidelines)

Bottle Inspection:  Mr. Beer 0.5L, no sediment   

Aroma: Moderate spiciness with a medium-low citrus, floral, and grassy component. Light biscuity/toast notes come through as it warms. No diacetyl. 9/12

Appearance: Deep gold/light copper with rocky white head with high retention.  Lots of fine bubbles and lacing.  Very creamy. 3/3

Flavor: Moderate spice/pepper with low toasty and very low caramel components.  Medium-low grassy and earthy notes with a light citrus at the finish. Balance is nicely bitter with just enough malt to make its presence known. No diacetyl or off flavors. 15/20

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Crisp and dry in the finish but not astringent. No diacetyl slickness. 5/5

Overall Impression: Excellent beer! I would probably have liked a little more hop character, though. I wonder if using a bright citrusy hop like Amarillo for dry-hopping would have played well with the rye. 8/10


Total Score: 40/50

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 18, 2015, 02:20:04 AM
Glad you liked it To y.  Yes, I think some Amarillo in the dry hop might improve it... But I better ask Denny first!  I can't claim any credit on the recipe, just the "cloning".  It is a favorite for a business partner of mine, so I make it a couple times a year.  Thankfully, Denny made the first several batches to tweak the recipe!  I just made it per the suggested guidelines - but my cooler was white!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 18, 2015, 01:52:16 PM
That explains the extra 'spiciness' then.  Mt. Hood is a descendant of Hallertau, IIRC, so it's got more noble hop properties than Cascade variants.

Edit: And just looking at the recipe again, I noticed the Columbus dry-hop, which explains the pepper and citrus.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 19, 2015, 12:45:07 AM
Keith AKA majorvices

Belgian Wheat

Appeared cloudy in the bottle so I gave it a roll, what they heck. Pours hazy light yellow, bright white tiny bubble head that faded fairly fast to a lasting ring of white. Light lacing that almost makes legs. The nose is light Belgian spicy esters, light graininess, and a lemon-lime zest that strengthens as it warms. Flavor is a combo, one might say "happy marriage" of Belgian esters and lemon-lime zest and fresh juices. A light malty graininess supports. I didnt pick out any specific hop flavor but the bitterness is at a perfect level to support that citrus flavor without pushing it. Finishes dry and clean with a faint lingering lemon-lime. The finish reminds me of the finish of a citrus selzer. Medium light body, fluffy, well carbonated. No astringency or stickiness or slickness. Invites multiple sips. Super enjoyable, light, inviting, refreshing beer. I would buy this by the 12 pack all summer long! The little lady got a 6 ounce pour of this. Her first words were "Oh oh, Belgian" not her favorite style. She got lime and fresh ginger. Couldn't find that nasty spice they usually have. She finished it in 3 sips and wants me to find more.

After tasting and making notes, I read the brewer's notes. 4.8 %, no coriander, lime leaves, ginger, and chamomile instead. Great beer Keith! You really ought to open a brewery and sell this stuff ;-)

My obligatory rate-beer rating on this one is 4.5 and I have no idea how it would do at a BJCP comp, or where you would enter it. But stand alone, just a beer as it is on its lonesome... mighty fine. It deserves a 45 somewhere.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on May 19, 2015, 02:33:03 AM
Howdy all,

I did finally taste one of Sean Terrill's (a10t2) four delicious looking selections this past weekend.  All bottles arrived intact with a little yeast moving around that's been settling out in the fridge (bottle conditioned).  As such I purposely popped the witbier first since haze is most appropriate there.

Witbier --

Overall very tasty, like liquid Wonder Bread(!), but also having those certain special "Belgiany" esters and peppery spice.  Hazy gold, NOT opaque, low white head but with beautiful lacing.  A bit yeasty in flavor and aroma, perhaps due to its journey and freshness, but in a very pleasant way that added to the Wonder Breadiness.  A little tart, good for style.  Low/medium peppery phenol, yum.  Balance is slightly on the sweeter side as opposed to hop bitterness.  No hop flavor.  No pithy bitterness.  No DMS or diacetyl or anything like that.  Seeking the coriander and orange peel typical for the style, I didn't find any... but I was perfectly alright with that, as I've noticed that even Hoegaarden is low on these, in favor of the peppery spice.  I find this example to be sort of like a cream ale, but obviously fermented with Belgian yeast, making it oh so tasty.  Very well made for sure.  Commercial level of quality, no doubt better than many commercial examples I have tasted -- yes, that's right, if you sold this, I would buy it.  Deserving of mid-30s in competition, with small dings in part to the yeast that some folks might not care for (I don't mind it at all) and very low / non-existent coriander (which I'm also fine with).  Sean, if you like it like this, don't change it, it's great!  Otherwise maybe just double your coriander, and you're good to go, honestly.

After this one, I'm certainly looking forward to the others!  Maybe tomorrow or next day.

Thanks and cheers!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on May 19, 2015, 02:35:52 AM
Keith AKA majorvices

Belgian Wheat

Appeared cloudy in the bottle so I gave it a roll, what they heck. Pours hazy light yellow, bright white tiny bubble head that faded fairly fast to a lasting ring of white. Light lacing that almost makes legs. The nose is light Belgian spicy esters, light graininess, and a lemon-lime zest that strengthens as it warms. Flavor is a combo, one might say "happy marriage" of Belgian esters and lemon-lime zest and fresh juices. A light malty graininess supports. I didnt pick out any specific hop flavor but the bitterness is at a perfect level to support that citrus flavor without pushing it. Finishes dry and clean with a faint lingering lemon-lime. The finish reminds me of the finish of a citrus selzer. Medium light body, fluffy, well carbonated. No astringency or stickiness or slickness. Invites multiple sips. Super enjoyable, light, inviting, refreshing beer. I would buy this by the 12 pack all summer long! The little lady got a 6 ounce pour of this. Her first words were "Oh oh, Belgian" not her favorite style. She got lime and fresh ginger. Couldn't find that nasty spice they usually have. She finished it in 3 sips and wants me to find more.

After tasting and making notes, I read the brewer's notes. 4.8 %, no coriander, lime leaves, ginger, and chamomile instead. Great beer Keith! You really ought to open a brewery and sell this stuff ;-)

My obligatory rate-beer rating on this one is 4.5 and I have no idea how it would do at a BJCP comp, or where you would enter it. But stand alone, just a beer as it is on its lonesome... mighty fine. It deserves a 45 somewhere.

Oh, hey, that must be the so-called "Catalyst".  I brewed that one up myself a few years ago.  Very tasty and a hit with my brewing buddies.  Yeah, it's a 40-something recipe for sure.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: majorvices on May 19, 2015, 10:24:43 AM
Thanks for the review, Jim! That is our biggest selling beer by far. I brew it almost weekly. We are bottling it today as a matter of fact.

Dave, I'm impressed by your memory. Catalyst was what this recipe was based on but it evolved from a Belgian pale ale with spices to a Belgian Wheat. It truly was the beer "Catalyst" for Yellowhammer!
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 19, 2015, 12:37:16 PM
Well its pretty genius. Just different enough to be really interesting. Very tasty too.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 19, 2015, 10:35:43 PM
Brewer: Jerry Hodge (ynotbrusum)
Beer: American Pale Ale

Not going to score this one from a BJCP perspective since it wouldn't fare well with the current guidelines and I don't think it's really fair to the beer.

Aroma is really subtle citrus with hints of caramel and toasted bread.  Nothing off.  Jerry said this one wasn't dry hopped, so wasn't really surprised and not sure of its age.

Appearance is deep gold and approaching amber. Relatively low white head, but relatively good retention and slightly creamy in appearance.

Flavor has a bit of citrus and caramel and toast.  Nice bitterness which keeps the balance to the hoppy side with very light piney notes.  No off flavors.

Mouthfeel is medium-light bodied with moderate carbonation.  No diacetyl slickness.  Slightly dry at the finish which lingers only a second.

Overall impression is a very refreshing beer.  Hop aroma is really low for where the style has gone, but that seems to be the trend (thinking of 90 Minute as an American IPA or SNPA as an APA).  Not sure of the age on it either, but still very crushable.  From a purely hedonistic, Untappd sort of perspective, I'd give it 3.75/5 caps.  I expect that would go up on draft and/or fresher.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/reverendtoby/Beerporn/20150519_171430_zps9ds3ca7r.jpg) (http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/reverendtoby/media/Beerporn/20150519_171430_zps9ds3ca7r.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on May 19, 2015, 11:24:14 PM
Deserving of mid-30s in competition, with small dings in part to the yeast that some folks might not care for (I don't mind it at all) and very low / non-existent coriander (which I'm also fine with).  Sean, if you like it like this, don't change it, it's great!  Otherwise maybe just double your coriander, and you're good to go, honestly.

Story time! This was supposed to be a batch of what I call a "Belgian blond" but I was low on wheat (usually 30%, this was 12%) and decided to try pitching a smack pack without a starter since it's only a 10.2°P beer. So it is essentially a cream ale fermented with a Belgian strain, and under-pitched at that. I do feel like the phenols ran away with this one. No coriander.

I probably shouldn't call it a wit but it doesn't really fit anywhere in the BJCP guidelines and that seemed closest. If I actually wanted to enter it I'd put it in Belgian Specialty and call it a "single" or something like that but as small a beer as it is I doubt it would do well.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: toby on May 19, 2015, 11:41:55 PM
I probably shouldn't call it a wit but it doesn't really fit anywhere in the BJCP guidelines and that seemed closest. If I actually wanted to enter it I'd put it in Belgian Specialty and call it a "single" or something like that but as small a beer as it is I doubt it would do well.
Have you looked at the Trappist Single category in the 2015 Guidelines? Category 26A.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: a10t2 on May 20, 2015, 12:20:01 AM
Have you looked at the Trappist Single category in the 2015 Guidelines? Category 26A.

Nice! I haven't had a chance to look at the new guidelines yet.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 20, 2015, 05:33:58 PM
Well, tapatalk was down last night so this is all from memory. It was my Friday and Terri's Sunday, so we indulged.

Started with Keith's (majorvices') Quad. It actually made me wish it was still winter. I could sit by the fire and sip that all night. It had all the quad check box parts but no rough edges at all. Belgian style fermentation profile, deep dark figgy pudding and dark plum and dark candy sugar flavors with a perfect bitterness supporting. Finished nice n dry. Noticeable alc but not at all hot or solventy. Over 10% but seemed like 7, untill it snuck up and pasted a perma grin on my face. Overall it was a perfect antidote to a long week of dealing with people.

Next was the Schwartzbeir. Coffee and chocolate roastiness with a clean lager fermentation and enough hops flavor and bitterness to know they are there but not intrude. Another spectacular beer. I'm noticing a theme. Keith's beers are all superbly crafter with no faults at all and each has a subtle but very interesting points that seperate him from the crowd. Dandy stuff!


After that I through caution to the wind and enjoyed three American Wild barrel aged beers generously gifted to me by mchrispen. I'll just say that I loved each of them for various reasons, learned a lot, and came to the conclusion that I would dig doing a sour collaboration brew with him.

This swap has been a ball for me. The next best thing to actually sitting on the deck with each of you and sharing and talking about our beer. There probably are still a few stragglers out there and I look forward to reading those.

Brew more beer guys. I might fire up a late fall swap, so get ready if you're interested.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 20, 2015, 05:47:17 PM
I've enjoyed it, too, Jim.  I'm definitely up for doing it again. Hopefully I can make NHC next year and share a few in person with some of the forum folks -  that'd be a blast.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: erockrph on May 20, 2015, 05:54:21 PM
I will definitely be keeping a potential fall swap in mind as I'm starting to get some brewing done this spring. It's been great following along with you guys.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on May 20, 2015, 06:20:55 PM
Thanks for setting it up Jim, it was fun.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 20, 2015, 09:47:00 PM
You are all very welcome but its success is really all about you guys! Thanks to everyone.

Brew away and save a few for... Swaptoberfest?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 20, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
Brewer: Jerry Hodge (ynotbrusum)
Beer: American Pale Ale

Not going to score this one from a BJCP perspective since it wouldn't fare well with the current guidelines and I don't think it's really fair to the beer.

Aroma is really subtle citrus with hints of caramel and toasted bread.  Nothing off.  Jerry said this one wasn't dry hopped, so wasn't really surprised and not sure of its age.

Appearance is deep gold and approaching amber. Relatively low white head, but relatively good retention and slightly creamy in appearance.

Flavor has a bit of citrus and caramel and toast.  Nice bitterness which keeps the balance to the hoppy side with very light piney notes.  No off flavors.

Mouthfeel is medium-light bodied with moderate carbonation.  No diacetyl slickness.  Slightly dry at the finish which lingers only a second.

Overall impression is a very refreshing beer.  Hop aroma is really low for where the style has gone, but that seems to be the trend (thinking of 90 Minute as an American IPA or SNPA as an APA).  Not sure of the age on it either, but still very crushable.  From a purely hedonistic, Untappd sort of perspective, I'd give it 3.75/5 caps.  I expect that would go up on draft and/or fresher.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/reverendtoby/Beerporn/20150519_171430_zps9ds3ca7r.jpg) (http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/reverendtoby/media/Beerporn/20150519_171430_zps9ds3ca7r.jpg.html)

Thanks for the input, Toby - I would agree that this one is a more of an English Pale style in terms of hop level, but brewed with American ingredients and yeast.  Frankly, I forgot that I sent it to you and yes, it is a bit long in the tooth at this point.  It was half of a ten gallon batch that a neighbor brewed with me for a wedding he attended.  His half was dry hopped and we also did a ten gallon Two Hearted Ale clone for the hopheads at the same wedding.  The wedding guests were eminently pleased to partake, as I am told.

I agree with the comments of the participants here - great idea, Jim and Swaptoberfest sounds like another great idea in terms of timing these things.  (Swapril and Swaptoberfest could become a regular thing....)
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: majorvices on May 21, 2015, 10:14:53 AM
Thanks for the kind reviews, Jim. I found a stash of Dark Hammer in my garage and popped a few of them in the fridge and enjoyed one apparently the same night you had yours. I found it had aged really nicely and was pretty happy with it and hoped you would be too. My schwarzbier isn't exactly to style, it used a blend of Best Munich I and II and Best pils and Midnight Wheat and just a wee lil' bit of CaraMunich 40L (about 2%) and it is just a little bit roasty for the style, but I like to put a twist on all the styles I make so that they aren't just BJCP replications of whatever the style guides say. That particular beer is the "brewery staff favorite". The assistant brewers and tasting room staff scarf up all the remaining underfills and miscaps and eagerly await that particular bottling day.

I still have two sample the other 2 beers from jimmykx250 but plan to do it tonight. Enjoyed the beer swap and look forward to doing it again soon.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 21, 2015, 11:18:32 AM
Keith - do you plan to distribute into other states any time soon?  I'm way up here in IL, but my daughter is in Athens GA and will be driving to NOLA soon...thought maybe she could look for your products on her trip and save me a couple.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 21, 2015, 04:26:34 PM
Thanks for the kind reviews, Jim. I found a stash of Dark Hammer in my garage and popped a few of them in the fridge and enjoyed one apparently the same night you had yours. I found it had aged really nicely and was pretty happy with it and hoped you would be too. My schwarzbier isn't exactly to style, it used a blend of Best Munich I and II and Best pils and Midnight Wheat and just a wee lil' bit of CaraMunich 40L (about 2%) and it is just a little bit roasty for the style, but I like to put a twist on all the styles I make so that they aren't just BJCP replications of whatever the style guides say. That particular beer is the "brewery staff favorite". The assistant brewers and tasting room staff scarf up all the remaining underfills and miscaps and eagerly await that particular bottling day.

I still have two sample the other 2 beers from jimmykx250 but plan to do it tonight. Enjoyed the beer swap and look forward to doing it again soon.
Good deal Keith, besides its not your job to brew what they describe. They should be describing what you brew.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: morticaixavier on May 22, 2015, 12:26:29 AM
I'm in for the next round. wasn't going to happen this time around with the move and all but I've got plans... oh yes, I've got plans.

Working on my Vermont Farmhouse recipe and I've gotta polish my wit recipe as it's my wife's fav.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: klickitat jim on May 22, 2015, 12:54:21 AM
That would be awesome Jonathan. Would be great to have you in on it
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: 69franx on May 22, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
I plan on trying to be I. For the next swap as well. This thread has been an awesome read start to finish/now
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: jeffy on May 22, 2015, 11:26:00 AM
Wow.  21 pages!
I'll try to be in on it next time also.  At the time of this swap I didn't feel I had any noteworthy beers to share.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 23, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
AHA Beer Swap 2015 Beer Evaluation

Brewer:  David Taylor (dmtaylor)

Style: Specialty Beer? Smoked Apple Ale

Serving type/Glass:  12 oz. longneck into a snifter.

Appearance: Pours crystal clear deep, rich golden color with a nice head of fine bubbles that settles down to a nice wisp of feathery foam and a ring of tight bubbles around the glass. Very nice presentation!

Aroma:  Apples, of course, also earthy hops and grainy light malt. Very faint barnyard—nice. Not much smoke.

Taste: Very nice balance of flavors, although the apple seems a bit subdued compared with the aroma. Hops provide an almost perfect balance to the malt. Apples are subdued when the mouth is full, but they return to say goodbye in the after taste, leaving me wanting to take another sip. Still, not much smoke.

Mouth-feel: Carbonated very well, light medium body make it feel more like an ale than a cider, which it is. After taste is slightly slick, in a good way, leaving my mouth ready for a bite of food or just more of the beer.

Overall impression: This is a well crafted beer. I think it would be perfect with a nice apple stuffed pork chop dinner. My experience with Dave’s beer tells me that he is a very skilled brewer. My only recommendation for this beer would be more smoked malt—if smoke is what you are looking for. Otherwise it is a really nice beer.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on May 24, 2015, 02:41:53 AM
I'm glad you liked the smoked apple ale.  It was a lot more smoky when first bottled in February, and at that time I really did not like the smoke in there at all.  It's kind of a preference thing -- some people want more smoke and some less.  Right now it has faded to the point that I enjoy it much more.  In future I think I'm going to skip the smoke altogether.  I agree there's not a lot of apple flavor, except when it shows up in the aftertaste.  I have made this recipe many times over the years and it's always been like this, like... where's the apple?  Oh, THERE it is, in the aftertaste!  Plus it's a slightly tart beer from the cider as well.  I could have messed around with adding apple concentrate and all that jazz, but, I'm a purist.  No Redd's Apple Ale for me, thank you very much.  If you want it done right, you've got to brew it yourself.   8)

Cheers!  Oh... recipe is here for anyone interested:  http://forum.northernbrewer.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=71478&p=662452&hilit=harvest+apple#p662452
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 24, 2015, 01:27:00 PM
Dave - I have always wanted to try an apple ale - your recipe looks great (though I may skip the smoked barley initially).  Do you prefer a certain type of Apple variety?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: dmtaylor on May 24, 2015, 07:45:11 PM
I use local orchard cider, so I'm not exactly sure what apples even go in.  Some kind of culinary blend.  If I had my choice, a blend of Honeycrisp and any Mac variety (e.g., McIntosh itself, or Cortland, Jonamac, etc.) would make a great cider or apple ale.  The best cider is fresh cider from any apples, not from concentrate!, not pasteurized, no preservatives, use it fresh.  Frozen probably also works fine.  Anything to avoid the preservatives.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on May 26, 2015, 10:56:59 AM
+1 on fresh. I found local whole foods store that carries 1-gal jugs of fresh, unfiltered, non pasteurized and no preservatives apple juice. nice and cloudy and all the sediment on the bottom. IIRC, its around 1.062 OG and I made a great cider with it.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 29, 2015, 12:40:13 AM
My final review on Cascadesrunner's beers.  All were quite good to more than wonderful....

https://flic.kr/p/tsXiK6

Brewer: Drew Sauser - Cascadesrunner

Category: 14C - Imperial IPA

Bottle inspection: good fill, slight sediment at bottom, cap says "1469", so the yeast used is pretty obvious.

Aroma:   Caramelly aroma at the initial whiff - sweet, but gives way tocitusy, piney, resinous notes of the hops; slightly toasty and ready from the malt; neutral fermentation aroma; not hot or solventy despite expected ABV; no diacetyl; aromas linger well in the bouquet as the beer warms.  9/12

Appearance:  clear copper color, surprisingly brilliant on the first pour with no sediment disturbed - expected some dry hopped haziness, but none; one inch tight white beaded head lingers a minute or so, then gives way to a 3/8ths inch tight fully lingering bead and pretty white lacing as the first sips are taken; tight sediment in the bottle holds until the second pour, but even then is only modestly disturbed from its slumber.  3/3

Flavor:  smooth bitterness reminds me of a first wort hop addition; very bready maltiness in the first sip; hop presence, but not overboard with variety - seems to be a good mix of citrusy, piney, slightly floral balance of hops; maintains hop forwardness with good malt balance; no diacetyl; fully attenuated; slightest of oxidation - perhaps tasters fault for longish storage.  16/20

Mouthfeel:  medium body as expected; good carbonation; not overly warming,but definitely bigger than a mere IPA; slightest astringency in the mid to aftertaste - but possibly just my palate's reaction to the late hop addition; creamy impression later; late hop additions create tingling on my gums and lips as paired with the carbonation - good impression there.  4/5

Overall Impression:  A very beautiful beer when held to the light; I enjoyed the caramel and bready malt balance paired with the hops selected; oxidation could be cured with careful racking, perhaps under CO2 blanket - or by drinking sooner - which I imagine happens with this beer.  This would be well enjoyed with a plank-grilled  marinated salmon fillet paired with an asian ginger-dressed salad and heaping helping of steamed broccoli. 

Well done Drew.  You brew dang good beer and I am both feeling privileged and lucky to have drawn you in this swap.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: braufessor on June 12, 2015, 12:47:47 AM
Hickory's beer #3 - final beer.

Been tardy on this one.  Between being crazy busy and the fact that it is a "winter warmer" that I did not want to drink on an 80 degree day..... I procrastinated.  Well - it has now been raining for 12 hours, and will be raining for 12 more.... time for a winter warmer.

I did not really "judge" it BJCP style..  Rather, just drinking it for what it is.

Black.  hard to see through, even in the light.  Faint ruby highlights perhaps.  Rich malty aroma.... stonefruit, raisin type maltiness... some chocolate, some sweetness..... munich malt???  complex, rich.  Some alcohol warming, but no hotness.  This seems to drink a lot like an 18E Belgian Dark Strong Ale to be honest - however no phenols, no spiciness.
Low to no head.... but carbonation seems to be there when drinking it - medium carbonation.  No hop aroma. Appropriate bitterness to  counter the malt though.  Smooth, full bodied. Really drinkable for what I would assume is a pretty high alcohol beer.  i could see this one getting away from you on a cold night.

Again - a super nice beer.  Like I said - I perceive this as a Belgian Dark Strong, although I am not sure if that is what you were going for as a winter warmer.   I could see this being a 37-41 type beer depending on how it was entered.  Really well done. Thanks again...... all of your beers were really good, and I am amazed that they were all within your first 10 batches. 
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: mharding73 on June 13, 2015, 03:19:24 AM
Here is my final review for Pete B.  Rye Saison.

A - Golden straw.  Strong carbonation.  Good head retention.

F - pepper/spicy/Lemon. Saison yeast and clean.

M - Silky/Dry

O - Damn good saison.  I would drink more than one of these!

All of Pete's offerings were better than good.  The great one was the meade.  Thanks Pete!  Oh.  I can't forget the Spencer Trappist Ale.  Thanks for the bottle.  Probably the only one I will ever have for a long time.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on June 13, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Here is my final review for Pete B.  Rye Saison.

A - Golden straw.  Strong carbonation.  Good head retention.

F - pepper/spicy/Lemon. Saison yeast and clean.

M - Silky/Dry

O - Damn good saison.  I would drink more than one of these!

All of Pete's offerings were better than good.  The great one was the meade.  Thanks Pete!  Oh.  I can't forget the Spencer Trappist Ale.  Thanks for the bottle.  Probably the only one I will ever have for a long time.
Thanks Matt, glad you enjoyed. This was fun.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 24, 2016, 12:39:09 AM
I'm in ....can't wait!


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on February 24, 2016, 12:45:30 AM
Ken, you are either on the wrong thread or in a time machine.
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 24, 2016, 12:46:44 AM
Haha yeah hit the wrong one....


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 24, 2016, 12:53:43 AM

Ken, you are either on the wrong thread or in a time machine.

Oh and by the way....oil will drop like a rock and Donald Trump will be leading the republican nomination


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on February 24, 2016, 01:20:04 AM

Ken, you are either on the wrong thread or in a time machine.

Oh and by the way....oil will drop like a rock and Donald Trump will be leading the republican nomination

Oh, man! imagine if you knew that would happen a year ago, you could be retired with gambling and stock market earnings. And by the way... the Pope said the republican nominee isn't Christian and it had zero effect!
(btw, know this sounds like politics and religion but just really referring to it abstractly. pushing the boundary for sure, but thought it was within the realm, sorry if not...)


Title: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 24, 2016, 01:24:58 AM
Ahh don't sweat It Pete. We're the only two nitnuks on an old thread.


Edit: spoiler alert....golden state wins consecutive NBA championship.

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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pinnah on February 24, 2016, 02:23:34 AM
Ahh don't sweat It Pete. We're the only two nitnuks on an old thread.

Lol.

You guys know it is only Tuesday right?  ;D
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 24, 2016, 02:24:32 AM
It's 5'oclock and Friday somewhere right!


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Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: pete b on February 24, 2016, 02:27:04 AM
It's 5'oclock and Friday somewhere right!


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It's also 2 A.M. somewhere, and lit with a single light bulb...
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: brewinhard on February 24, 2016, 01:39:24 PM
Ha! This is truly great.... ;D
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: ynotbrusum on February 25, 2016, 05:14:17 AM
That is funny.  We are a year older but wiser?
Title: Re: Spring 2015 Beer Swap
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 25, 2016, 12:53:01 PM
That is funny.  We are a year older but wiser?


Older anyway.   ;D