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Title: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: weazletoe on November 12, 2009, 03:01:55 AM
   Sorry about the poor Pauly Shore reference.  ::)

    Today I scored 50' of 3/8 copper for 20$. (it's good to be in HVAC) I'm tossing around the idea of a different chiller design. Most all of us have or have used a typical chiller, stacked. I got to thinking, where does heat travel? Up. So, why not make a chiller more in the design of a spiral, like a stove element. It would lay just below the top few inches of hot wort. As the is cooled, the heat from the lower part of the kettle will rise, while the cooled wort on top falls. Am I onto something? Anyone else try this?

     Talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you a topic.... Chiller design.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: a10t2 on November 12, 2009, 04:30:02 AM
As the is cooled, the heat from the lower part of the kettle will rise, while the cooled wort on top falls.

Isn't that what happens anyway? I'm thinking it would actually be less efficient than the conventional design (assuming you're smart and have the water flow through the top coils first) because you'd be relying solely on convection, as opposed to using the temperature gradient to cool as much volume as possible. Now, if you used some other mechanism to force wort past the coil, that would probably work... but then you've built a plate chiller, more or less.

And there are no poor Pauly Shore references, only poor Pauly Shore movies.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: scottyb on November 12, 2009, 12:50:52 PM
As long as you do not restrict flow around and past the cooler too much with your design it should work.  Many systems utilize natural flow, ie hot to cold, certain nuclear power plants do it.  The key is free flowing product, in this case wort.  If you establish the flow up on the sides and down in the center it could work very well.

Or just hook up a pump and be done with it.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: tubercle on November 12, 2009, 01:05:12 PM
I have never been invited to M.I.T to lecture on the intricacies of thermodynamics, but...

  It seems like the flat design you are suggesting would only cool a 3/8" thick portion of the entire column of wort and rely on convection currents to equalize to cool the rest where as a stacked design will be cooling the entire column at the same time.

  We have all felt the bottom of the kettle during cooling and found to much cooler than the top so I see your concern. I use a long handle ss spoon to give a swirl every 5 minutes or so and get the temps down in about 20 minutes with a 50' stacked design of 3/8". I think your suggestion may take much longer.

  I just guessin' here.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 12, 2009, 03:43:10 PM
I have a really wide and short kettle.
I was thinking about having one inter coil and one outer coil to accommodate more tubing in the kettle.
The cold liquid would go to outer coil then inter coil and then out.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: tom on November 12, 2009, 04:43:53 PM
Either way, stirring the hot wort with the immersion chiller will increase the chilling speed immensely.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on November 12, 2009, 04:47:42 PM
I'm not feelin it Weez.  Wouldn't your design make it so you couldn't stir the pot?  Oh wait, you can still stir the pot here I guess    ;)
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: weazletoe on November 12, 2009, 10:27:06 PM
Yeah, I guess you all make good valid points. And, I suppose if it worked that well, there would be commercial ones available. Guess I will stick to the old tried and true. Thanks for the input. 
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: hamiltont on November 13, 2009, 02:03:02 AM
Yeah, I guess you all make good valid points. And, I suppose if it worked that well, there would be commercial ones available. Guess I will stick to the old tried and true. Thanks for the input. 

Don't give up so quickly.  When I first read it I thought...  Wow, you could move that thing up & down in the pot and almost touch every drop of wort???
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on November 13, 2009, 04:51:25 PM
Don't give up so quickly.  When I first read it I thought...  Wow, you could move that thing up & down in the pot and almost touch every drop of wort???

Ok, now it's somewhat interesting.  I'm envisioning some mechanical thingy moving the "Weezecoil" up and down to chill.  Like an eccentric gear or a very slow sawzall contraption.  I bet you'd get some efficient cooling that way.

Get to work Weeze   ???
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: scottyb on November 13, 2009, 05:22:22 PM
The coil itself would be the stir. ;D   Maybe even attached to a lever for mechanical advantage or increased up and down distance.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: weazletoe on November 13, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
Looks like i got some Inventin' to do.  ;D
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on November 13, 2009, 08:22:10 PM
Looks like i got some Inventin' to do.  ;D

You may want a splashguard for no pants brewing
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: rabid_dingo on November 15, 2009, 02:57:21 PM
Weazletoe, I have seen one like what you describe but it was in conjunction with
a whirlpooling system and IC. So basically it was a TON of surface area and the
chilled wort was pumped right at the level of the spiral near the surface...

Zymurgy gadget issue or BYO gadget article. Not sure which one.
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: 1vertical on November 16, 2009, 02:09:52 AM
Either way, stirring the hot wort with the immersion chiller will increase the chilling speed immensely.
+1 thats what my chiller coil does while cooling wort..it gets a swirley...lol
Title: Re: Chillin' with the Weazle.....
Post by: yugamrap on November 16, 2009, 03:08:00 AM
If you have a pump, maybe a whirlpool IC ala JZ would be the way to go...

http://www.wortomatic.com/articles/MyloFiore%27s-Jamil-O-Chiller