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Title: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 26, 2010, 11:10:01 AM
So you go into an AMERICAN restaurant and look at the menu... what would be on it? I mean, if it was going to be authentic, and nobody can call BULL$#!T on your menu - what would be on  there? For example - Spaghetti and meatballs, no matter how good they are - Fails. (Italian)

I think a pulled pork bbq sammich dripping in sauce, topped with coleslaw, on a big ol bun is pretty American though.

What else?
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: BrewArk on May 26, 2010, 11:18:08 AM
...
Not zucchini, fettuccini, or bulger wheat,
But a big warm bun and a huge hunk of meat.

Cheeseburger is paradise.
Heaven on earth with an onion slice.
Not too particular, not too precise.
I'm just a cheeseburger in paradise.

I like mine with lettuce and tomato,
Heinz Fifty-seven and French fried potatoes.
Big kosher pickle and a cold draft beer.
Well, good God Almighty, which way do I steer
For my cheeseburger in paradise.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: dbeechum on May 26, 2010, 11:19:24 AM
Well, here's the question - what about things that are ethnic in inspiration, but very, very much American in actual execution.

To take your example, for instance, spaghetti and meatballs as we know it: meatballs and red sauce tossed together with spaghetti is entirely an American concoction. If you tried to get that in Italy they'd look at you funny for combining two courses. (Same thing with corned beef and cabbage, pretty much everything we think is "Chinese" food and the burrito)
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: richardt on May 26, 2010, 11:21:27 AM
Bison burger.

BBQ anything

Fries (the French had nothing to do with it--pommes frites)



Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: nicneufeld on May 26, 2010, 11:32:14 AM
I would maintain that most of the archetypal American foods still have strong ties to all our various mother countries.  While we tend to do more "hot smoking", smoking meat is a thoroughly European custom, prevalent particularly in northern Europe (more often cured smoked meats and fish). 

"French" fries are Belgian!

And how funny that two of the most classic "American" dishes are named after cities from the Old World...Hamburger, Wiener, Frankfurter.  American food is just fusion!  From tacos to spaghetti to hot dogs to lager beer, we take things from the Old World and do them in slightly different ways...they become almost indistinguishable because of new ingredients and cultures over here, but the lineage is still there.  Look at the microbrew renaissance.  We finally stopped doing knock-off beers of the Germans after a century or so, and decided we wanted to brew unique stuff, like......UK Pale Ale, UK ESB, UK Porter, Stout, etc...  :D  Sure, anything domestically brewed labelled "ESB" doesn't taste anything like British beer, but we naturally are in to taking old influences as starting points and tweaking them.  We're a young country still, we can do that!
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: bluesman on May 26, 2010, 11:45:17 AM
I would venture to say that one could travel around America and find at least one creation from each and every city or town that it could call it's own.

Like a "Philly Cheesesteak" or a "New York Style Pizza" and a "California Smoothie".

Every city has it's own creations based on it's history and the heritage that has embraced it. It's ethnic heritage....

But we can call it American for sure.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: weithman5 on May 26, 2010, 11:48:04 AM
i have no knowledge of the origins but how about
 
a blt with lots of bacon and slathered in that wonderful white stuff called mayo?
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: hamiltont on May 26, 2010, 12:06:55 PM
Can't be more American than a Reuben Sandwich, although it's disputed whether it originated in Nebraska or New York. I'm sayin' Nebraska just because... ;D
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 26, 2010, 12:19:32 PM
New thread? Bastardized Foods? I don't want to trace back noodles to china and call BS on any other people using noodles. That would be taking it a little to far, but if that's what floats your boat that's more on topic than I'm sure some of the posts here will be. :D

BBQ Pork fried rice comes to mind as does a double meat, frito-suizo chimmi changa for the bastardo category.
Probably anything with a half pound of meat or more on the plate as a single serving would qualify as American.

Hot Wings
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: nicneufeld on May 26, 2010, 12:52:41 PM
Roast turkey and anything with corn is fairly native!
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: hamiltont on May 26, 2010, 01:05:53 PM
I doubt any other country will claim ABT's...
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: denny on May 26, 2010, 01:51:47 PM
KFC Double Down...what other country would be stupid enough to come up with THAT?
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: narvin on May 26, 2010, 02:09:57 PM
There's lots of regional seafood... many varieties of fish, Blue Point Oysters, Maryland Blue Crabs / crabcakes, etc.  How can you call bulls*** on something that natively grows in America or off of its shores?
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: capozzoli on May 26, 2010, 02:11:19 PM
Thanks Giving dinner like nick said.

Meat loaf mashed potatoes and peas with gravy.

Open face roast beef and/or turkey.

Snapper soup.

Pepper pot soup.

Hearty roast game dishes.

+1 as denny said on fried chicken.

Crawdads.

There are a lot more,

Are ya gonna open up a place over there?

Spaghetti and meat balls as we know them Is American, just ask any one from Italy. But I wouldnt want to see it on an "American" menu.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 26, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
Without going into a dissertation, this thread comes from the ethnic cooking thread where a question was posed by babalou "Isn't all cooking ethnic?" And much like we can trace back dishes, we can trace back our own lineage, so is there American cuisine? Never would have thought of the seafood, since I am landlocked. Cool answers so far, and Cap if I were gonna open a place it would be Balkan foods.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: richardt on May 26, 2010, 03:29:37 PM
Can't be more American than a Reuben Sandwich, although it's disputed whether it originated in Nebraska or New York. I'm sayin' Nebraska just because... ;D

GO BIG RED!
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: narvin on May 26, 2010, 05:20:21 PM
Salisbury steak and freedom fries?
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: capozzoli on May 26, 2010, 05:39:48 PM
What are freedom fries?

We have fries around here, I think they are called dirty fries. French fries with fried onions and gravy.

I am really interested in local American dishes. There are so many that I haven't tried. Some known some I havent even heard of yet.

For example the Calamari Steak of coastal California. Never had one anywhere else. Man they are good too. They must real in those giant squids out in the Pacific.

Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: dj99 on May 26, 2010, 05:59:12 PM
Ha ha, freedom fries are "rebranded" french fries after the French didn't back us as they should have after 9/11.

The Calamari steak sounds interesting!
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 26, 2010, 06:17:59 PM

We have fries around here, I think they are called dirty fries. French fries with fried onions and gravy.


Wets - Fresh cut fries (you know kinda soggy limp) in a bowl, covered in brown gravy.

and then there's

The Slinger is a Midwestern diner specialty typically consisting of two eggs, hash browns, and a hamburger patty (or any other meat) all covered in chili (with or without beans) and generously topped with cheese (cheddar or American) and onions. The eggs can be any style. The Slinger is considered to be a St. Louis late-night culinary original. It is described as "a hometown culinary invention that might account for St. Louis' high rate of heart disease: a mishmash of meat, hash-fried potatoes, eggs, and chili, sided with your choice of ham, sausage, bacon, hamburger patties, or an entire flippin' T-bone steak. It's dirt cheap, damn good and a drunk's dream."

I only ate these on Fridays.  ;)
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: weithman5 on May 27, 2010, 08:45:35 AM
last night i had a peanut butter and rhubarb/strawberry jelly sandwhich on rye bread.  actually was very good, so i thought (at midnight)  why not brew a beer with this combo. and actually in homebrew garden found a recipe for a rhubarb and rye ale. can't wait.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: euge on May 27, 2010, 09:02:03 AM
Nachos. Especially the ones you find at the ballpark or movie theater that have that synthetic runny yellow-orange cheese product.

Or Corn-dogs. OMG I love those things.

Onion rings.

Philly Cheese-steak.

So far these examples don't seem to be particularly healthy... :D
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: mikeypedersen on May 27, 2010, 09:04:40 AM
Or Corn-dogs. OMG I love those things.
It's kinda sad, but one of my favorite things is deep fried Mini-Corndogs.  So freakin' good.

Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: chumley on May 27, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
Here in Montana, the only real contribution to American cuisine that we have made is the pork chop sandwich:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/176286733_0ebe2f53db.jpg?v=0)

The one pictured is "Loaded"....mustard, pickles, onions.

"Loaded delux" is the same, plue lettuce tomato and mayo.

My favorite is loaded with both hot and yellow mustard.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: dbeechum on May 27, 2010, 10:46:25 AM
I'll proffer the things that have come out of my current home town for American cuisine (my real hometown hasn't contributed much except some football players and indoor foliage)

- The chili size - Take a bowl, add some chili, add a griddle cooked hamburger patty, add more chili and cheese. Serve - an LA classic
- The French Dip - Hotly contested between two locations here in downtown - the French Dip was invented either at Phillipes, which is a funny old fashioned place to go grab a bite, or Cole's Pacific Electric Buffet. For my money, I prefer Phillipes and their devil mustard.
- The "LA" Chili Dog - There's a variant of hot dog chili that seems to be about 1/3 flour, meat, fat and tomatoes. Very smooth stuff, unlike any other chili I've seen on dogs. Best seen at Cupid's, Flooky's or Pink's (if you feel like waiting in line forever) (LA actually had a very interesting hot dog subculture)
- The BBQ Chicken Pizza - Invented by Ed LaDou while he worked at Spago's with Wolfgang Puck. Ed passed away sudddenly a couple years ago, but his little place Caioti Pizza Cafe still makes rocking pizzas and they have a salad called "The Salad" that some folks swear by to induce labor.

There are a few others, but how about the big mammer jammer that has unfortunately seated itself deep into the roots of the world.

- The Drive Through and the Fast Food Restaurant - McDonald's was born out in San Berdoo as was the drive through window at In n Out Burger (seriously fantastic fast food burger) Carl's Jr (owner of Hardee's as well), El Pollo Loco, Fatburger, Foster's Freeze, Green Burrito, Hot Dog on a Stick, H. Salt Fish & Chips, Jack in the Box, Johnny Rockets, Weinerschinitizel, Original Tommy's (oh god, the chili and grease), Panda Express, Taco Bell, Tastee Freez, Wetzel's Pretzels, wInchell's Donuts (and its owner Yum-Yum Donuts). - all LA region started fast fooderies that have been clogging everyone's arteries for a while now. Go LA! :)
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: bluesman on May 27, 2010, 11:44:50 AM
Imagine this...

(http://networkfood.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/america-food.jpg)
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: hamiltont on May 27, 2010, 01:44:59 PM
How about all that food they serve at the State Fair.  "Anything imaginable" on a stick.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: blatz on May 27, 2010, 02:11:50 PM
SPAM.

I'd say pot roast, but then isn't it derived from sauer braten.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: nicneufeld on May 27, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
How about all that food they serve at the State Fair.  "Anything imaginable" on a stick.

I gather there are places in China that seriously one-up us on the "anything imaginable on a stick" front!

EDIT: One example:
http://www.foodnut.com/408/beijing-dong-hua-men-night-market-wangfujing-food-market-review-beijing-china/
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 27, 2010, 05:52:15 PM
How about all that food they serve at the State Fair.  "Anything imaginable" on a stick.

I gather there are places in China that seriously one-up us on the "anything imaginable on a stick" front!

Andrew Zimmern did a show where he walked into one of those places. Skewer full of rooster comb anyone? Or the breast bone which is cartilage, is also skewerable.

But anyway - back to America. With all the stuff listed is it any wonder we have an obesity epidemic?

SMORES !
Orange Cheese, Chocolate Cheese, Velveeta
Anything in the chip/snack isle. No country can touch our Doritos, Potato Chips, or Cheese curls.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: dbeechum on May 27, 2010, 07:07:56 PM
No country can touch our Doritos, Potato Chips, or Cheese curls.

I dunno, I'm kinda partial to Walker's Onion and Bacon Flavored Crisps.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 27, 2010, 08:13:10 PM
No country can touch our Doritos, Potato Chips, or Cheese curls.

I dunno, I'm kinda partial to Walker's Onion and Bacon Flavored Crisps.

Meh, that's American too.  ;)

Walkers is now owned by Frito-Lay, which in turn is a subsidiary of PepsiCo, with the current logo a derivative of the North American Lay's logo.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: dbeechum on May 27, 2010, 08:34:07 PM
Does that mean we can now say that Budweiser is a Belgian or Brazilian beer?
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 27, 2010, 08:42:57 PM
Globalization sucks!
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: capozzoli on May 28, 2010, 11:35:56 AM
Far and beyond the best crispy snack: Chrumky.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: weithman5 on May 28, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
Does that mean we can now say that Budweiser is a Belgian or Brazilian beer?

about 22 years ago i ordered a budweiser in a bar in hong kong.  british marine took offense that i didn't order something british.  i wonder if the outcome would have been as ugly if i said i prefer my Belgian beer rather than American.. 8)
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: nicneufeld on May 28, 2010, 01:42:50 PM
Far and beyond the best crispy snack: Chrumky.

Had to look that one up.  Cornmeal puffs coated in fried peanuts?  Sounds tasty enough!

Found it on this site, which has some good recipes it looks like...halusky and paprikash and such.

Oh wait, which thread am I in?  :-[
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: bernman on May 28, 2010, 02:30:07 PM
What about New England Clam Chowder.
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on May 28, 2010, 07:22:06 PM
Far and beyond the best crispy snack: Chrumky.

Had to look that one up.  Cornmeal puffs coated in fried peanuts?  Sounds tasty enough!

Found it on this site, which has some good recipes it looks like...halusky and paprikash and such.

Oh wait, which thread am I in?  :-[

I had peanutbutter flavored cornmeal puffs. Kids hated em. I guess this should be in "ethnic" :)
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: richardt on June 01, 2010, 02:07:56 PM
Sweet Tea--does that count as a "Southern" thing?

In case you haven't tried it--a friend just recently introduced me to "Firefly" and "Jeremiah Weed" Sweet Tea-Flavored Vodka (70 proof/35% ABV).

Take a tumbler filled with some ice.  Just put in a inch and a half of Firefly or JW top off the rest of the way with water and stir.

Smooth "session" sweet tea! ;)
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: bluesman on June 01, 2010, 02:53:40 PM
Oh.... I think a Chesapeake Bay Crabcake Sandwich with crabfries and an APA would be awesome right about now!

The sad thing about this ^^^^^^ delicacy is what is yet to become of our oceans with this dreaded oil leak.  :(
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: bmilford on June 02, 2010, 08:07:19 PM
Pizzaburger like I got in school

PIZZA BURGERS   

1 lb. ground beef
1 can Spam
3/4 lb. cheese, mild or cheddar
1 can tomato soup
1 sm. can tomato paste
1 onion
Salt, pepper, oregano, garlic
Use own judgment to seasoning

Brown beef and cool, put cheese, Spam and onion through meat grinder, combine all ingredients. Spread on open buns. Bake at 450 degrees for 7 to 10 minutes.

Kinda close, all other recipies had a hamburger patty involved.

Jalepeno poppers?
Title: Re: AMERICAN cuisine
Post by: beerocd on June 02, 2010, 09:37:20 PM
like I got in school


Cello wrapped pizza bread, with equal amounts of cheese on the bread and the wrapper, with perfect little meatlike cubes scattered sparsely about. School lunch thread, that's gotta be good.