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Title: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 10, 2015, 05:30:23 PM
Baltimore. June 9-11.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: theDarkSide on June 10, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
Thanks Jeff.  That may even be driving distance for me!

T-365 days and counting!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: toby on June 10, 2015, 05:38:45 PM
Ha.     Beat me to the post.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: redbeerman on June 10, 2015, 06:30:49 PM
I will be there.  I can probably take the train.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: S. cerevisiae on June 10, 2015, 06:46:11 PM
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No travel involved, Yeah!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: brewinhard on June 10, 2015, 09:37:01 PM
I am totally going to hit this one up!  Yeah, back on the East Coast baby!  8)
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: klickitat jim on June 11, 2015, 12:02:49 AM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 11, 2015, 03:54:51 AM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
The AHA is looking at a West Coast (2015), East Coast (2016), Mid-section (2017) cadence.

Coming to flyover country, Jim?
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: klickitat jim on June 11, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
The AHA is looking at a West Coast (2015), East Coast (2016), Mid-section (2017) cadence.

Coming to flyover country, Jim?
I'd be up for that. I've been in every state but Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire. But my experience in the states between Massachusetts and North Carolina was not good. Way too many people. Freaks me out!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: theDarkSide on June 11, 2015, 01:18:24 PM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
The AHA is looking at a West Coast (2015), East Coast (2016), Mid-section (2017) cadence.

Coming to flyover country, Jim?
I'd be up for that. I've been in every state but Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire. But my experience in the states between Massachusetts and North Carolina was not good. Way too many people. Freaks me out!

Seems to me a trip to New England would all but complete your list, saving Hawaii for last.  Most of northern NE (NH, VT, ME) have their populated areas, but there are places you could go where you won't see people for miles.  Some great beer out this way too. 

This weekend is the start of the annual Bike Week in Laconia, in the lakes region of NH.  They're expecting about 400,000 people during the week.  I don't ride so I tend to avoid the area...NH roads were not designed for this volume of traffic.  Would that be too crowded for you?
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dkfick on June 11, 2015, 01:29:28 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: theDarkSide on June 11, 2015, 01:46:43 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

The Philly conference was great.  I rolled a couple extra vacation days into 4th of July and had almost 2 weeks off. 

I just looked at the calendar and this falls on the night of my son's 8th grade graduation.  Unless we get 3 snow days we have to make up, I think I'm going to have to skip next year too.  COME ON SNOWSTORMS!!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: pete b on June 11, 2015, 01:53:16 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

The Philly conference was great.  I rolled a couple extra vacation days into 4th of July and had almost 2 weeks off. 

I just looked at the calendar and this falls on the night of my son's 8th grade graduation.  Unless we get 3 snow days we have to make up, I think I'm going to have to skip next year too.  COME ON SNOWSTORMS!!
I can't believe 8th grade graduation is a thing now! My son is only 24 and that wasn't done when he finished 8th grade. I don't remember anything before finishing High School even CALLED "graduating". They make kid's and therefore parents lives so busy and stressful these days. I'm glad my kid is grown up.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: pete b on June 11, 2015, 01:58:59 PM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
The AHA is looking at a West Coast (2015), East Coast (2016), Mid-section (2017) cadence.

Coming to flyover country, Jim?
I'd be up for that. I've been in every state but Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire. But my experience in the states between Massachusetts and North Carolina was not good. Way too many people. Freaks me out!

Seems to me a trip to New England would all but complete your list, saving Hawaii for last.  Most of northern NE (NH, VT, ME) have their populated areas, but there are places you could go where you won't see people for miles.  Some great beer out this way too. 

This weekend is the start of the annual Bike Week in Laconia, in the lakes region of NH.  They're expecting about 400,000 people during the week.  I don't ride so I tend to avoid the area...NH roads were not designed for this volume of traffic.  Would that be too crowded for you?
I went to bike week when I was 18 with my friend and his Dad. They put their boat on Lake Winnipesauke. It was crazy, 3 of us drank 4 cases of bud cans and a bottle of vodka in one day and saw tons of public sex and nudity. I imagine its tamer now?
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: troybinso on June 11, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

The Philly conference was great.  I rolled a couple extra vacation days into 4th of July and had almost 2 weeks off. 

I just looked at the calendar and this falls on the night of my son's 8th grade graduation.  Unless we get 3 snow days we have to make up, I think I'm going to have to skip next year too.  COME ON SNOWSTORMS!!
I can't believe 8th grade graduation is a thing now! My son is only 24 and that wasn't done when he finished 8th grade. I don't remember anything before finishing High School even CALLED "graduating". They make kid's and therefore parents lives so busy and stressful these days. I'm glad my kid is grown up.

My 6 year old had a kindergarten graduation this year. He was sick that day so we missed the festivities, but I was sure surprised when he brought the note home about it.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: micsager on June 11, 2015, 02:39:04 PM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
The AHA is looking at a West Coast (2015), East Coast (2016), Mid-section (2017) cadence.

Coming to flyover country, Jim?
But my experience in the states between Massachusetts and North Carolina was not good. Way too many people. Freaks me out!

+1  I love rural Washington.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: realbeerguy on June 11, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
ROAD TRIP!

We're in!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: theDarkSide on June 11, 2015, 02:52:22 PM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
The AHA is looking at a West Coast (2015), East Coast (2016), Mid-section (2017) cadence.

Coming to flyover country, Jim?
I'd be up for that. I've been in every state but Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire. But my experience in the states between Massachusetts and North Carolina was not good. Way too many people. Freaks me out!

Seems to me a trip to New England would all but complete your list, saving Hawaii for last.  Most of northern NE (NH, VT, ME) have their populated areas, but there are places you could go where you won't see people for miles.  Some great beer out this way too. 

This weekend is the start of the annual Bike Week in Laconia, in the lakes region of NH.  They're expecting about 400,000 people during the week.  I don't ride so I tend to avoid the area...NH roads were not designed for this volume of traffic.  Would that be too crowded for you?
I went to bike week when I was 18 with my friend and his Dad. They put their boat on Lake Winnipesauke. It was crazy, 3 of us drank 4 cases of bud cans and a bottle of vodka in one day and saw tons of public sex and nudity. I imagine its tamer now?

I think so...you don't usually hear a lot about it on the news.  But then again, what happens at bike week, stays at bike week.

I think the actual name for the 8th grade thing is "Promotion".  But it's a big ceremony.  They are going from the one building middle school to Pinkerton Academy (private school but our town's high school) which looks like a college campus.

Kindergarten graduations aren't that bad.  It is a move up from one lifestyle to another.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: klickitat jim on June 11, 2015, 02:59:46 PM
Looks like my first NHC will be 2017
The AHA is looking at a West Coast (2015), East Coast (2016), Mid-section (2017) cadence.

Coming to flyover country, Jim?
I'd be up for that. I've been in every state but Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire. But my experience in the states between Massachusetts and North Carolina was not good. Way too many people. Freaks me out!

Seems to me a trip to New England would all but complete your list, saving Hawaii for last.  Most of northern NE (NH, VT, ME) have their populated areas, but there are places you could go where you won't see people for miles.  Some great beer out this way too. 

This weekend is the start of the annual Bike Week in Laconia, in the lakes region of NH.  They're expecting about 400,000 people during the week.  I don't ride so I tend to avoid the area...NH roads were not designed for this volume of traffic.  Would that be too crowded for you?
Well, in the county I live in there are an average of 10 people per square mile, and thats really pushing it for me.
Baltimore is about 7,700 per square mile. Nnnnnnnn no thanks.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: brewinhard on June 11, 2015, 06:31:22 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

Agreed.  It is tough to get those days off when prepping for exams and proctoring them are rolling on. 
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: reverseapachemaster on June 12, 2015, 02:17:43 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

The Philly conference was great.  I rolled a couple extra vacation days into 4th of July and had almost 2 weeks off. 

I just looked at the calendar and this falls on the night of my son's 8th grade graduation.  Unless we get 3 snow days we have to make up, I think I'm going to have to skip next year too.  COME ON SNOWSTORMS!!
I can't believe 8th grade graduation is a thing now! My son is only 24 and that wasn't done when he finished 8th grade. I don't remember anything before finishing High School even CALLED "graduating". They make kid's and therefore parents lives so busy and stressful these days. I'm glad my kid is grown up.

I'm 34 and I don't remember these graduation ceremonies except the one at the end of high school. I seem to recall at the end of elementary school we had a pizza party or something on the last day of school as a celebration but that was just the students and the teachers. Otherwise getting summer break was your graduation ceremony. Now I see friends on facebook attending kindergarten graduation ceremonies. Apparently they do these ceremonies every year in school around here.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: Frankenbrew on June 12, 2015, 11:30:15 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

+1 Bummer! This would be a great location for me, but a bit too close to the end of the school year. I'm hoping for a year without snow, then I might be out in time to make it.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dkfick on June 13, 2015, 05:13:13 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

+1 Bummer! This would be a great location for me, but a bit too close to the end of the school year. I'm hoping for a year without snow, then I might be out in time to make it.
Yeah it seems like a decent % of homebrewers are teachers and have limited options of they want to attend the NHC the post few years since it moved up a week.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: brewinhard on June 13, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
My last one was Philly and that was before they moved it back a couple weeks.  I was able to take off the very last day to make it work. 
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: denny on June 13, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

+1 Bummer! This would be a great location for me, but a bit too close to the end of the school year. I'm hoping for a year without snow, then I might be out in time to make it.
Yeah it seems like a decent % of homebrewers are teachers and have limited options of they want to attend the NHC the post few years since it moved up a week.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't....in the past there have been complaints about it conflicting with Father's Day when it's later.  I'd guess there are more fathers than teachers in the AHA.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dkfick on June 13, 2015, 08:38:21 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

+1 Bummer! This would be a great location for me, but a bit too close to the end of the school year. I'm hoping for a year without snow, then I might be out in time to make it.
Yeah it seems like a decent % of homebrewers are teachers and have limited options of they want to attend the NHC the post few years since it moved up a week.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't....in the past there have been complaints about it conflicting with Father's Day when it's later.  I'd guess there are more fathers than teachers in the AHA.
Lol yeah I didn't think about fathers day... But really I see that as much less of a conflict than 'stuck at work'
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: brewinhard on June 13, 2015, 09:51:54 PM
Hey, that could even be your "fathers" day present! 
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dkfick on June 13, 2015, 10:52:26 PM
Hey, that could even be your "fathers" day present!
Indeed.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: flbrewer on June 14, 2015, 09:33:43 PM
Can the south get some love? I heard Tampa has one or two good breweries  ;D.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: braufessor on June 14, 2015, 10:47:01 PM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

+1 Bummer! This would be a great location for me, but a bit too close to the end of the school year. I'm hoping for a year without snow, then I might be out in time to make it.
Yeah it seems like a decent % of homebrewers are teachers and have limited options of they want to attend the NHC the post few years since it moved up a week.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't....in the past there have been complaints about it conflicting with Father's Day when it's later.  I'd guess there are more fathers than teachers in the AHA.

There is a solution for all the teachers who want to go to NHC..... come teach in Iowa..... we were done May 22nd this year ;D  We start mid august, and we don't get spring break or many other breaks during the year.   But, being done early....... priceless.

I have 2 sister who live in Baltimore.... so, might have to shoot for making it next year.
Title: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: tommymorris on June 15, 2015, 03:11:20 AM
Can the south get some love? I heard Tampa has one or two good breweries  ;D.
Huntsville, AL would be great!

PS. Technically, Baltimore is in the south. Just not to us.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: theDarkSide on June 15, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
Ugh still so early. Really screws over teachers.

+1 Bummer! This would be a great location for me, but a bit too close to the end of the school year. I'm hoping for a year without snow, then I might be out in time to make it.
Yeah it seems like a decent % of homebrewers are teachers and have limited options of they want to attend the NHC the post few years since it moved up a week.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't....in the past there have been complaints about it conflicting with Father's Day when it's later.  I'd guess there are more fathers than teachers in the AHA.

Last year ended on Father's Day and they had a free beer on Southwest...a win, win in my book.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: toby on June 15, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
Can the south get some love? I heard Tampa has one or two good breweries  ;D.

I get the distinct impression there's some sort of thing with the south.  Don't know if it's hurricane season, the heat, the laws, or what.  Personally, I'd love to see it in NOLA.  Maybe they're just concerned that nobody would make it to the seminars.  lol
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: klickitat jim on June 15, 2015, 03:15:26 PM
It will be interesting to see how AHA lays out the catagories next year.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: mike89t on June 15, 2015, 10:32:06 PM
Huntsville, AL would be great!

I've been to Huntsville for work and wouldn't want to visit there for vacation.  If you want Alabama then maybe somewhere near the beaches like Mobile/Pensacola.  Not sure what kind of craft brew presence is down there though.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: flbrewer on June 16, 2015, 12:50:23 AM
Are the NHC meetings normally in "big" beer cities? Forgive me for asking, but what's in Baltimore outside of Stillwater and DuClaw?







-Vote for Tampa in 2017!  ;D
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: S. cerevisiae on June 16, 2015, 04:05:15 AM
One has to understand that Baltimore and Washington, D.C. are part of the same metropolis known as the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan area.  This area also includes Northern Virginia.  Maryland is split in two by the Chesapeake Bay and the Susquehanna River.  The portion of Maryland that lies west of the Chesapeake Bay is known as the Western Shore.  The portion that lies east of the Chesapeake Bay is known as the Eastern Shore (which is part of the Delmarva Peninsula).   

Western Shore Breweries

Baltimore-Washington Beer Works (RavenBeer) - Baltimore, Maryland
Barley And Hops - Grill & Microbrewery - Frederick, Maryland
Baying Hound Aleworks - Rockville, Maryland
Brewer's Alley - Frederick, Maryland
The Brewer's Art - Baltimore, Maryland
Denizens Brewing Company - Silver Spring, Maryland
Diamondback Beer - Baltimore, Maryland
DuClaw Brewing Company - Bel Air, Maryland
Ellicott Mills Brewing Company - Ellicott City, Maryland
Flying Dog Brewery - Frederick, Maryland
Franklin's Restaurant, Brewery, and General Store - Hyattsville, Maryland
Frey's Brewing Company - Mount Airy, Maryland
Full Tilt Brewing Co - Baltimore, Maryland
Gordon Biersch - Rockville - Rockville, Maryland
Growlers of Gaithersburg - Gaithersburg, Maryland
Clipper City Brewing Company (Heavy Seas Beer)- Baltimore, Maryland
Jailbreak Brewing Company - Laurel, Maryland
Milkhouse Brewery at Stillpoint Farm - Mount Airy, Maryland
Monocacy Brewing Company - Frederick, Maryland
Mully's Brewery - Frederick, Maryland
Oliver Breweries/Pratt Street Ale House - Baltimore, Maryland
Peabody Heights Brewery - Baltimore, Maryland
Pub Dog Brewing Company - Westminster, Maryland
Push American Brewing Co at Frisco Taphouse - Columbia, Maryland
Ruddy Duck Brewery & Grill - Dowell, Maryland
Ruhlman Brewery LLC, "OUR ALES" - Hampstead, Maryland
Scorpion Brewing - Owings, Maryland
Union Craft Brewing Company - Baltimore, Maryland
White Marsh Brewing Company - White Marsh, Maryland


Eastern Shore Breweries

Burley Oak Berlin, Maryland
Eastern Shore Brewing - St. Michaels, Maryland
Evolution Craft Brewing Company - Salisbury, Maryland
Fin City Brewing Company - Ocean City, Maryland
RAR Brewing - Cambridge, Maryland
Shorebilly Brewing Co. - Ocean City, Maryland


Maryland passed a law a few years ago that allows for the establishment of breweries that are located on working farms.  Milkhouse and Frey's are farmhouse breweries that grow their own hops.


Now, if we include the District of Columbia (a.k.a. Washington, D.C.) and Northern Virginia (Washington, D.C. is roughly the same distance from Baltimore that Escondido is from San Diego), we can add the following breweries to the list.

District of Columbia Breweries
 
3 Stars Brewing Company
Atlas Brew Works
Bluejacket
DC Brau Brewing Company
District Chophouse
Hellbender Brewing Company
Right Proper Brewing Company


Northern Virginia Breweries

Heritage Brewing Company
Lost Rhino Brewing Company
Mad Fox Brewing Company
Old Ox Brewery
Port City Brewing Company
Adroit Theory Brewing Company
Beltway Brewing Company
Corcoran Brewing Company
Forge Brew Works

Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 16, 2015, 05:37:42 AM
One has to understand that Baltimore and Washington, D.C. are part of the same metropolis known as the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan area.  This area also includes Northern Virginia.  Maryland is split in two by the Chesapeake Bay and the Susquehanna River.  The portion of Maryland that lies west of the Chesapeake Bay is known as the Western Shore.  The portion that lies east of the Chesapeake Bay is known as the Eastern Shore (which is part of the Delmarva Peninsula).   

Western Shore Breweries

Baltimore-Washington Beer Works (RavenBeer) - Baltimore, Maryland
Barley And Hops - Grill & Microbrewery - Frederick, Maryland
Baying Hound Aleworks - Rockville, Maryland
Brewer's Alley - Frederick, Maryland
The Brewer's Art - Baltimore, Maryland
Denizens Brewing Company - Silver Spring, Maryland
Diamondback Beer - Baltimore, Maryland
DuClaw Brewing Company - Bel Air, Maryland
Ellicott Mills Brewing Company - Ellicott City, Maryland
Flying Dog Brewery - Frederick, Maryland
Franklin's Restaurant, Brewery, and General Store - Hyattsville, Maryland
Frey's Brewing Company - Mount Airy, Maryland
Full Tilt Brewing Co - Baltimore, Maryland
Gordon Biersch - Rockville - Rockville, Maryland
Growlers of Gaithersburg - Gaithersburg, Maryland
Clipper City Brewing Company (Heavy Seas Beer)- Baltimore, Maryland
Jailbreak Brewing Company - Laurel, Maryland
Milkhouse Brewery at Stillpoint Farm - Mount Airy, Maryland
Monocacy Brewing Company - Frederick, Maryland
Mully's Brewery - Frederick, Maryland
Oliver Breweries/Pratt Street Ale House - Baltimore, Maryland
Peabody Heights Brewery - Baltimore, Maryland
Pub Dog Brewing Company - Westminster, Maryland
Push American Brewing Co at Frisco Taphouse - Columbia, Maryland
Ruddy Duck Brewery & Grill - Dowell, Maryland
Ruhlman Brewery LLC, "OUR ALES" - Hampstead, Maryland
Scorpion Brewing - Owings, Maryland
Union Craft Brewing Company - Baltimore, Maryland
White Marsh Brewing Company - White Marsh, Maryland


Eastern Shore Breweries

Burley Oak Berlin, Maryland
Eastern Shore Brewing - St. Michaels, Maryland
Evolution Craft Brewing Company - Salisbury, Maryland
Fin City Brewing Company - Ocean City, Maryland
RAR Brewing - Cambridge, Maryland
Shorebilly Brewing Co. - Ocean City, Maryland


Maryland passed a law few years ago that allows for the establishment of breweries that are located on working farms.  Milkhouse and Frey's are farmhouse breweries that grow their own hops.


Now, if we include the District of Columbia (a.k.a. Washington, D.C.) and Northern Virginia (Washington, D.C. is roughly the same distance from Baltimore that Escondido is from San Diego), we can add the following breweries to the list.

District of Columbia Breweries
 
3 Stars Brewing Company
Atlas Brew Works
Bluejacket
DC Brau Brewing Company
District Chophouse
Hellbender Brewing Company
Right Proper Brewing Company


Northern Virginia Breweries

Heritage Brewing Company
Lost Rhino Brewing Company
Mad Fox Brewing Company
Old Ox Brewery
Port City Brewing Company
Adroit Theory Brewing Company
Beltway Brewing Company
Corcoran Brewing Company
Forge Brew Works

Dogfish Head is also close enough to have a presence - they did for Philly.
Blue Earl in Delaware was started by a former Governing Committee member.

Personal confession - was driving from Rehoboth Beach to home after the conference, and when we crossed into Maryland it dawned on me what Delmarva stands for. Doh!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: SiameseMoose on June 16, 2015, 12:35:14 PM
Can the south get some love? I heard Tampa has one or two good breweries  ;D.

I get the distinct impression there's some sort of thing with the south.  Don't know if it's hurricane season, the heat, the laws, or what.  Personally, I'd love to see it in NOLA.  Maybe they're just concerned that nobody would make it to the seminars.  lol

Just my speculation, but the last two conferences held in the South, Dallas and Orlando, were the biggest (maybe only) financial losses the NHC has ever had. The Orlando conference was widely skipped due to a very high cost of transportation for most of the country. I was there, and the Florida liquor laws made for a very awkward situation (no beer in the hallways, for instance).

I'm on the NHC sub-committee, and I'll just say that conference locations pretty much have to be originated by the local clubs first. In a few places clubs have been quietly approached about potential interest, and the lack thereof is why a number of cities are not on the site list of the current conference survey. BTW, if you went to NHC you should have received an email link to a survey. I'm begging you to fill it out! Response rates the last few years have been low.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: reverseapachemaster on June 16, 2015, 03:47:56 PM
Just my speculation, but the last two conferences held in the South, Dallas and Orlando, were the biggest (maybe only) financial losses the NHC has ever had. The Orlando conference was widely skipped due to a very high cost of transportation for most of the country. I was there, and the Florida liquor laws made for a very awkward situation (no beer in the hallways, for instance).

The southern states have been slow to catch on to the craft beer movement, minus Asheville, and there are few major cities with enough breweries and craft bars to drive people to want to come out for a week of drinking. There are some good breweries across the region but the concentration just isn't the same yet. So I certainly understand why we have been left out of the NHC site list.

In 2002 Dallas had very little craft beer presence. I can't see why anybody would have wanted to come to Dallas at that time for the beer scene. There are longstanding homebrewing clubs but it's not like people go to NHC to hang out with the local clubs. In many ways we are still a long way off from many other metropolitan areas. For example, Dallas-Fort Worth is 2/3 the size of the Baltimore-Washington D.C. metro area but we don't even have a fraction of the number of breweries listed by Mark. Things are changing and it may not be too long before Austin or DFW hosts an NHC in the future.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 16, 2015, 06:56:54 PM
Just my speculation, but the last two conferences held in the South, Dallas and Orlando, were the biggest (maybe only) financial losses the NHC has ever had. The Orlando conference was widely skipped due to a very high cost of transportation for most of the country. I was there, and the Florida liquor laws made for a very awkward situation (no beer in the hallways, for instance).

The southern states have been slow to catch on to the craft beer movement, minus Asheville, and there are few major cities with enough breweries and craft bars to drive people to want to come out for a week of drinking. There are some good breweries across the region but the concentration just isn't the same yet. So I certainly understand why we have been left out of the NHC site list.

In 2002 Dallas had very little craft beer presence. I can't see why anybody would have wanted to come to Dallas at that time for the beer scene. There are longstanding homebrewing clubs but it's not like people go to NHC to hang out with the local clubs. In many ways we are still a long way off from many other metropolitan areas. For example, Dallas-Fort Worth is 2/3 the size of the Baltimore-Washington D.C. metro area but we don't even have a fraction of the number of breweries listed by Mark. Things are changing and it may not be too long before Austin or DFW hosts an NHC in the future.

Austin was long rumored to be in the running for 2014, but fell off due to "legal issues". What those were is something I don't know. You might ask around, or contact the Conf. Sub Committee. If some law needs to be changed you could help with that.

Austin is a place I know due the family in TX. It and the area would a great location.

Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: Stevie on June 16, 2015, 07:57:26 PM
Issue in Texas could be the laws concerning removing Homebrew from the home and maybe due to licensing at the venues.

(b) For the purpose of participating in an organized tasting, evaluation, competition, or literary review, a person to whom this section applies may deliver wine, ale, malt liquor, or beer produced and manufactured by the person to locations that are not licensed under this code for the purpose of submitting those products to an evaluation at an organized tasting competition that is closed to the general public or by a reviewer whose reviews are published if:

(1) no charge of any kind is made for the wine, ale, malt liquor, or beer, for its delivery, or for attendance at the event; and

(2) the commission consents in writing to the delivery.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dogglebe on June 16, 2015, 09:20:33 PM
My biggest problem with NHC this year is a personal thing:  I don't like IPAs... and you couldn't throw a rock without hitting one.  My friends thought I was crazy for going...

Another big problem I had was the news that we couldn't bring homebrew into the banquet.  My friends and I (and probably most others) found this out while waiting in line for the banquet.  Very surprising!


Phil
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: toby on June 16, 2015, 09:39:58 PM
Just my speculation, but the last two conferences held in the South, Dallas and Orlando, were the biggest (maybe only) financial losses the NHC has ever had. The Orlando conference was widely skipped due to a very high cost of transportation for most of the country. I was there, and the Florida liquor laws made for a very awkward situation (no beer in the hallways, for instance).

Well, obviously drinking laws in NOLA are pretty lax.  ;)
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I'm on the NHC sub-committee, and I'll just say that conference locations pretty much have to be originated by the local clubs first.
Is there a documented process for this?  The last time NHC was held nearby was before I was that into brewing (1995 or 1996) and the club in NOLA was a lot more active.  I'm sure I could help spear them along if there's a chance it could happen (they're not my primary club, but I am a member for event purposes).

The southern states have been slow to catch on to the craft beer movement, minus Asheville, and there are few major cities with enough breweries and craft bars to drive people to want to come out for a week of drinking. There are some good breweries across the region but the concentration just isn't the same yet. So I certainly understand why we have been left out of the NHC site list.
We're growing by leaps and bounds, but we're not on the national radar yet, although people do want to come out for a week of drinking fairly often.  It just isn't normally looking for beer.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: flbrewer on June 16, 2015, 09:42:56 PM


 The Orlando conference was widely skipped due to a very high cost of transportation for most of the country. I was there, and the Florida liquor laws made for a very awkward situation (no beer in the hallways, for instance).

News to me there are any specific liquor laws prohibiting drinking beer in hotel hallways. I think this may have been a crotchety hotel rule.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: flbrewer on June 16, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Baltimore. June 9-11.

Who actually votes on the locations?
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: SiameseMoose on June 17, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Is there a documented process for this?  The last time NHC was held nearby was before I was that into brewing (1995 or 1996) and the club in NOLA was a lot more active.  I'm sure I could help spear them along if there's a chance it could happen (they're not my primary club, but I am a member for event purposes)

There was the start of a document a few years ago, but things have been changing so quickly, and state-by-state situations are so different, that it was dropped. Now it starts with an email to Gary Glass, and he'll have plenty of questions for you.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: SiameseMoose on June 17, 2015, 12:14:26 AM
News to me there are any specific liquor laws prohibiting drinking beer in hotel hallways. I think this may have been a crotchety hotel rule.

It was an interpretation of legal separation of homebrew and commercial beer, and everything outside of the specific rooms of the conference was deemed part of the hotel liquor license, and therefore off-limits.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: flbrewer on June 17, 2015, 12:17:39 AM
News to me there are any specific liquor laws prohibiting drinking beer in hotel hallways. I think this may have been a crotchety hotel rule.

It was an interpretation of legal separation of homebrew and commercial beer, and everything outside of the specific rooms of the conference was deemed part of the hotel liquor license, and therefore off-limits.

I'm just struggling to see who would even enforce that and perhaps it wouldn't have been a problem if the hotel just thought they were commercial beers.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 17, 2015, 12:25:30 AM
Baltimore. June 9-11.

Who actually votes on the locations?
You can vote for what cities you would consider in the survey if you went this year.

It is not popular vote, the AHA/BA decides. If it were a popular vote it would always be in a big city. Grand Rapids proved to be a good location. Someday Asheville or Austin might be good places.

Some where I said there are a list of criteria considered for possible locations, it goes into the process, and a decision is somehow arrived at later.

Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: SiameseMoose on June 17, 2015, 01:39:05 AM
News to me there are any specific liquor laws prohibiting drinking beer in hotel hallways. I think this may have been a crotchety hotel rule.

It was an interpretation of legal separation of homebrew and commercial beer, and everything outside of the specific rooms of the conference was deemed part of the hotel liquor license, and therefore off-limits.

I'm just struggling to see who would even enforce that and perhaps it wouldn't have been a problem if the hotel just thought they were commercial beers.

"Lawyers were involved"
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: JT on June 17, 2015, 01:51:34 AM


Another big problem I had was the news that we couldn't bring homebrew into the banquet.  My friends and I (and probably most others) found this out while waiting in line for the banquet.
Wait... You couldn't bring homebrew to the home brewing banquet?? 


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Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dbeechum on June 17, 2015, 04:08:01 AM
Wait... You couldn't bring homebrew to the home brewing banquet?? 

Welcome to an effect of the new CA law which requires that homebrew served at a member's festival that mixes homebrew and commercial beer have the two services clearly separated. The AHA was being strict in the implementation. I believe there was miscommunication between the AHA and the security staff because Gary did ask in the banquet that people with homebrew should just step outside the banquet area and pour their homebrew and bring it back in
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: udubdawg on June 17, 2015, 11:37:23 AM
Wait... You couldn't bring homebrew to the home brewing banquet?? 

Welcome to an effect of the new CA law which requires that homebrew served at a member's festival that mixes homebrew and commercial beer have the two services clearly separated. The AHA was being strict in the implementation. I believe there was miscommunication between the AHA and the security staff because Gary did ask in the banquet that people with homebrew should just step outside the banquet area and pour their homebrew and bring it back in

The solution Gary mentioned was reasonable. I think people are just saying it should have been communicated in materials given when we arrived, and probably during his other speeches. Telling people this after they sat down to eat, possibly having left their beer in their room, kinda defeats the purpose.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: S. cerevisiae on June 17, 2015, 01:44:06 PM
Personal confession - was driving from Rehoboth Beach to home after the conference, and when we crossed into Maryland it dawned on me what Delmarva stands for. Doh!

It's not apparent to many travelers that Delmarva stands for Delaware-Maryland-Virginia.  The Delaware and Maryland parts are easy, but the Virginia part is not apparent until one looks at a map.  Delaware used to be part of Maryland at one point.  It was then a part of Pennsylvania.  This tug of war is the reason for the establishment of the Mason-Dixon line.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: realbeerguy on June 17, 2015, 02:58:24 PM
Atlanta has been mentioned.  We looked at Savannah in the past when the conference was much smaller.  Real problem is GA beer laws and homebrew.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: denny on June 17, 2015, 03:01:08 PM
I'm just struggling to see who would even enforce that and perhaps it wouldn't have been a problem if the hotel just thought they were commercial beers.

When you're an organization like the AHA running an event like NHC, you can't just ignore inconvenient laws.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dbeechum on June 17, 2015, 03:31:58 PM
When you're an organization like the AHA running an event like NHC, you can't just ignore inconvenient laws.

Particularly when we have further ongoing efforts to champion other changes to CA law. If the org just flouted the laws as they stood when it came time to testify again, it wouldn't look great to have that black mark on the record.

Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: timberati on June 17, 2015, 10:38:34 PM
Baltimore. June 9-11.

I got a text or a Tweet (not sure which, it just showed up on my ipad) that said it's Philly next year.  :o
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: klickitat jim on June 18, 2015, 12:10:45 AM
Personal confession - was driving from Rehoboth Beach to home after the conference, and when we crossed into Maryland it dawned on me what Delmarva stands for. Doh!

It's not apparent to many travelers that Delmarva stands for Delaware-Maryland-Virginia.  The Delaware and Maryland parts are easy, but the Virginia part is not apparent until one looks at a map.  Delaware used to be part of Maryland at one point.  It was then a part of Pennsylvania.  This tug of war is the reason for the establishment of the Mason-Dixon line.
Cool. I wonder how long till they call my area Wagonho?
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: narvin on June 18, 2015, 01:03:41 AM
Are the NHC meetings normally in "big" beer cities? Forgive me for asking, but what's in Baltimore outside of Stillwater and DuClaw?

-Vote for Tampa in 2017!  ;D

What's in Tampa other than Cigar City and that chain restaurant bar?  ;)

Glad you asked.  First, I'm not affiliated with the AHA, but I'd say that conference is held in cities that meet all of the following:

a) Have craft beer bars/brewpubs/breweries.
b) Have a big convention center and international airport
c) Have enough non-beer related activities for family.
c) Have active homebrewing clubs that volunteer to help and have submitted a bid for the conference.

Is it always in a "big" beer city?  Maybe, maybe not, depending on your definition of big, I suppose.

However: the conference was in Baltimore twice before, and they were both a really good time (at least, I know the second one was personally).  There's a lot of beer happenings in the area because craft beer and homebrewing has been popular for a while -- definitely before the first craft beer bubble in the late 90s.  Some good ones from the first boom didn't survive, but the city and the greater metro area has plenty of breweries as mentioned above, old and new, as well as the nearby Delaware and south-central PA areas.

Other things to note:

- 16 homebrew clubs in central maryland.
- The Brewer's Art, a brewpub in a sprawling Victorian townhouse that's been making Belgian-style beer in America long enough to be the original owner of the domain "belgianbeer.com ".(https://web.archive.org/web/19980417235256/http://www.belgianbeer.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/19980417235256/http://www.belgianbeer.com/))
- Oliver's, at the Pratt Street Alehouse, making English ales since 1993 with ringwood, open fermenters, and a true 7 barrel Peter Austin system in the basement.
- Max's Taphouse (http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1189/ (http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1189/)), all around great beer bar with 145 taps and host of the best Belgian festival in the US every year, according to the Good Beer Guide to Belgium.
- And, uh, the birthplace of the bottle cap (have to mention it, since it's our club logo).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_cork

Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 18, 2015, 03:24:27 AM
Baltimore. June 9-11.

I got a text or a Tweet (not sure which, it just showed up on my ipad) that said it's Philly next year.  :o
Yeah, I did too from the conference App, followed by "oops Baltimore!".

Not in Philly.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: S. cerevisiae on June 18, 2015, 04:14:43 AM
- 16 homebrew clubs in central maryland.

Maryland has a mature homebrewing community.  We also have a homebrew club association called the Free State Homebrew Guild.  The Free State Homebrew Guild was a first within the AHA. 

http://www.mdhomebrewers.com/

If anyone bothered to notice, the NHC 2015 tasting glass sports Maryland Homebrew's logo.  Maryland Homebrew has been in business since 1992 (www.mdhb.com).  I have been a customer since the basement days.  A lot of home brewing supply stores have come and gone in the last twenty three years.

 
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: pete b on June 18, 2015, 01:30:47 PM
Personal confession - was driving from Rehoboth Beach to home after the conference, and when we crossed into Maryland it dawned on me what Delmarva stands for. Doh!

It's not apparent to many travelers that Delmarva stands for Delaware-Maryland-Virginia.  The Delaware and Maryland parts are easy, but the Virginia part is not apparent until one looks at a map.  Delaware used to be part of Maryland at one point.  It was then a part of Pennsylvania.  This tug of war is the reason for the establishment of the Mason-Dixon line.
Cool. I wonder how long till they call my area Wagonho?
I live in Mass near the NH and Vermont border. VENHMA? MANHVE?
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: theDarkSide on June 18, 2015, 02:18:22 PM
Personal confession - was driving from Rehoboth Beach to home after the conference, and when we crossed into Maryland it dawned on me what Delmarva stands for. Doh!

It's not apparent to many travelers that Delmarva stands for Delaware-Maryland-Virginia.  The Delaware and Maryland parts are easy, but the Virginia part is not apparent until one looks at a map.  Delaware used to be part of Maryland at one point.  It was then a part of Pennsylvania.  This tug of war is the reason for the establishment of the Mason-Dixon line.
Cool. I wonder how long till they call my area Wagonho?
I live in Mass near the NH and Vermont border. VENHMA? MANHVE?
Ver-hamp-sachusetts!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: toby on June 18, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
What's in Tampa other than Cigar City and that chain restaurant bar?  ;)
There are 3 CCB related properties (the brewery, brewpub, and cider and meadery), Tampa Bay Brewing, Coppertail, Dunedin, Rapp, 7venth Sun, Cycle, St. Somewhere, and Green Bench, just off the top of my head.  ;)
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: flbrewer on June 18, 2015, 02:51:50 PM
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Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dbeechum on June 18, 2015, 03:32:10 PM
I've been to a surprising number of those. :)
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: klickitat jim on June 19, 2015, 03:44:48 AM
Personal confession - was driving from Rehoboth Beach to home after the conference, and when we crossed into Maryland it dawned on me what Delmarva stands for. Doh!

It's not apparent to many travelers that Delmarva stands for Delaware-Maryland-Virginia.  The Delaware and Maryland parts are easy, but the Virginia part is not apparent until one looks at a map.  Delaware used to be part of Maryland at one point.  It was then a part of Pennsylvania.  This tug of war is the reason for the establishment of the Mason-Dixon line.
Cool. I wonder how long till they call my area Wagonho?
I live in Mass near the NH and Vermont border. VENHMA? MANHVE?
Ver-hamp-sachusetts!
Pronounced verns hamster chewed shoes
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: guido on June 19, 2015, 09:13:27 AM
What's in Tampa other than Cigar City and that chain restaurant bar?  ;)
There are 3 CCB related properties (the brewery, brewpub, and cider and meadery), Tampa Bay Brewing, Coppertail, Dunedin, Rapp, 7venth Sun, Cycle, St. Somewhere, and Green Bench, just off the top of my head.  ;)

On a scale of 1-10, how serious is the humidity in Tampa in June?
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: jeffy on June 19, 2015, 11:51:34 AM
What's in Tampa other than Cigar City and that chain restaurant bar?  ;)
There are 3 CCB related properties (the brewery, brewpub, and cider and meadery), Tampa Bay Brewing, Coppertail, Dunedin, Rapp, 7venth Sun, Cycle, St. Somewhere, and Green Bench, just off the top of my head.  ;)

On a scale of 1-10, how serious is the humidity in Tampa in June?

10 being the most humid, I'd ay 10.  I tell you what, it was a real shock coming back from San Diego Sunday night.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: toby on June 19, 2015, 01:24:25 PM
What's in Tampa other than Cigar City and that chain restaurant bar?  ;)
There are 3 CCB related properties (the brewery, brewpub, and cider and meadery), Tampa Bay Brewing, Coppertail, Dunedin, Rapp, 7venth Sun, Cycle, St. Somewhere, and Green Bench, just off the top of my head.  ;)

On a scale of 1-10, how serious is the humidity in Tampa in June?
About the same as these parts.  It's only about a 10 in June.  Wait for July and August for it to go higher.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: narvin on June 19, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
It was rainforest-level humidity when we got back Sunday night, but we had a week of unusually hot weather and a ton of rain.  If you're lucky, the mid-atlantic could be nice in early June.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: toby on June 19, 2015, 02:22:33 PM
I thought we were all homebrewers?  If the standard weather in the South bothers people, they would outright die on one of my summer brew days.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 19, 2015, 02:36:35 PM
It was rainforest-level humidity when we got back Sunday night, but we had a week of unusually hot weather and a ton of rain.  If you're lucky, the mid-atlantic could be nice in early June.
I remember Philly being hot and humid, with a daily afternoon thunderstorm rolling through.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: flbrewer on June 19, 2015, 04:26:00 PM
It's hot, humidity can differ throughout the day. Call me crazy, but a fall meeting in the south would be ideal.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: guido on June 24, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Has there been any word about the host hotel in Baltimore? I'm assuming its in the inner harbor.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 24, 2015, 05:40:52 PM
Has there been any word about the host hotel in Baltimore? I'm assuming its in the inner harbor.

No announcement on the hotel(s).
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: dbeechum on June 24, 2015, 05:42:19 PM
Hotel probably won't be announced until January/Febuary
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: Phil_M on June 24, 2015, 07:29:33 PM
Looks like this will be my first NHC!
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 25, 2015, 01:41:00 AM
Hotel probably won't be announced until January/Febuary

That is SOP most years.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: grod on June 28, 2015, 04:39:20 AM
Forget the argument for 2017 as I propose Branxton NSW for that event. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branxton,_New_South_Wales (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branxton,_New_South_Wales)

g
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: calpyro on July 10, 2015, 04:17:01 AM
With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: klickitat jim on July 10, 2015, 05:05:19 AM
With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.
Agreed. Really hard for me to get excited about going there.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: bboy9000 on July 10, 2015, 05:51:38 AM

With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.

I doubt it's as bad as you think.  I travel to St. Louis frequently (right next to Baltimore in crime) and I've never felt unsafe.

BTW, St. Louis has Schlafly, Urban Chestnut, Perennial and Side Project amongst many more.  Being from KC I hate to admit STL is a great place for NHC, but if the AHA doesn't want to chose an historic brewing capitol (no, not just A-B) then I guess that just leaves more Side Project for us Midwesterners.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: jeffy on July 10, 2015, 11:11:40 AM
With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.
Agreed. Really hard for me to get excited about going there.
Actually, it's not bad.  My wife and I took a flight there a year or so ago and had a very nice longish weekend.  There's light rail to get from the airport to the Inner Harbor.  That part of Baltimore is very safe and has tons of tourist venues as well as historic sights.  The aquarium is one of the best, there's a water taxi to take you to Fells Point, there's lots of good beer.  Just don't walk too far out of the Inner Harbor area.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 10, 2015, 11:43:54 AM
With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.
The same thing could have been written for Oakland in 2009. Those riots happened ~6 months before the conference.


With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.

I doubt it's as bad as you think.  I travel to St. Louis frequently (right next to Baltimore in crime) and I've never felt unsafe.

BTW, St. Louis has Schlafly, Urban Chestnut, Perennial and Side Project amongst many more.  Being from KC I hate to admit STL is a great place for NHC, but if the AHA doesn't want to chose an historic brewing capitol (no, not just A-B) then I guess that just leaves more Side Project for us Midwesterners.
Form a committee with the local clubs and make it happen. I think it was on the survey that went out after the conference, so it is on the radar.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: tommymorris on July 10, 2015, 11:45:03 AM

With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.
Agreed. Really hard for me to get excited about going there.
Actually, it's not bad.  My wife and I took a flight there a year or so ago and had a very nice longish weekend.  There's light rail to get from the airport to the Inner Harbor.  That part of Baltimore is very safe and has tons of tourist venues as well as historic sights.  The aquarium is one of the best, there's a water taxi to take you to Fells Point, there's lots of good beer.  Just don't walk too far out of the Inner Harbor area.
I was there this week for work. Downtown is clean and nice. There is a nice harbor area.  I saw nothing remotely scary.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: narvin on July 10, 2015, 02:10:42 PM
With the recent riots, soaring crime/murder rate, Baltimore has zero appeal for me to come visit. I'll sit this one out.

Crime was worse in 1995 when the first NHC was there.  Despite what the media tells you, there has been a decrease in violent crime across all cities in the US.
Title: Re: NHC 2016 Location
Post by: narvin on July 10, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
The increase this spring is concentrated in specific areas where the police have basically stop policing.  Not going to get into the politics behind this here. There's been increases violent crime in many major cities this year, though, but it's still better than 20 years ago.