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Title: Beersmith?
Post by: brookspn on November 12, 2009, 03:11:18 AM
Hey all, I saw that some of you had mentioned Beersmith and had print outs from it in your posts.  I have heard of it but haven't done much looking into it.

Is it worth however much it costs?
Does it work on Mac?

I have created a sort of excel spread sheet to calculate gravity, color (loosely) and IBU, does this program do more than that?
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on November 12, 2009, 03:24:44 AM
check out the beersmith forum at BeerSmith.com (http://BeerSmith.com) for details.  Brad is currently working on the Mac interface for the next version (version 2.0, early next year). I believe some users are successfully using an emulator but I'm not sure.
BeerSmith is my brewing log and I use it extensively. 

Fred
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: brookspn on November 12, 2009, 03:30:03 AM
Thanks Fred.  I'll look forward to the Mac interface.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: smurfe on November 12, 2009, 12:07:12 PM
No Beersmith for Mac yet and I miss it so much. I have tried Beer Tools Pro which has a Mac version but I am so used to Beersmith that it just doesn't cut it for me. The one program I miss when I switched to Mac. I am getting my old Dell Notebook fixed just so I can run Beersmith. What sucks is when it crashed I lost all of my recipes with my Beersmith. Hopefully there is a Mac version soon and my Time Capsule will keep current back ups and I will never have that problem again.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: The Adequate Brewer on November 12, 2009, 05:39:45 PM
I used Beersmith for a couple of years and loved it.  My PC died in Februrary and I got a Mac.  Now I use Beer Alchemy and after much sadness and longing for Beersmith, I got used to the Beer Alchemy interface.  In my opinion it is just as powerful and useful as Beersmith, plus there is an iPhone app version of Beer Alchemy that effectively ties the program to your phone and computer.  No more hauling the laptop out to the back patio while brewing.  It's quite nice.  But hearing the news of a Mac version of Beersmith, I am intrigued.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: smurfe on November 13, 2009, 01:15:11 AM
I have tried Beer Alchemy to but just couldn't warm up to it. It is OK but once you get set in your ways it is hard to change. I was breezing through Beersmith in less than a half hour when I first got it. Beer Tools isn't bad but I have tried to contact their tech support on more than one occasion with no reply on questions I couldn't find searching their forum
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: a10t2 on November 13, 2009, 02:33:37 AM
If you need help with Beer Tools feel free to shoot me a PM. I spend more time in that app than I care to admit.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: jds on November 13, 2009, 02:50:57 AM
I use the PC version of Beersmith for all my recipe formulation and brewing logs/notes. It's one of the best $25 purchases I've made for brewing.

There are a couple of niggling details I wish were different, especially the "boil off rate" calculation, but on the whole, I'm a very satisfied user.

I'm excited to see how 2.0 will turn out.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: ndcube on November 13, 2009, 01:58:56 PM
Definetly worth the money.  Luckily I still have a PC.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: valorian on November 13, 2009, 02:00:35 PM
I've used Promash, Beersmith, and Beertools and I have to say I prefer Beersmith. It's just overall seems a lot easier to use. I think it's the interface that jusat seems to suit me best.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: hjherbenson on November 13, 2009, 04:53:35 PM
I have always used beertools lastnight I download the trial version of beersmith is there a big difference between the trial version and real thing? The grain ingredients is really lacking, and some of the text is very difficult to read, also in beertools while makeing a recipe I can duplicate ingredients but not in beersmith. Otherwise I really like the layout and versatility of beersmith and may be changing soon.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on November 13, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
Except for the timelimit the Trial BeerSmith IS the real thing.  You can play with the settings to change the font colors etc. to make it more readable for you.

Fred
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 13, 2009, 06:04:20 PM
You could run current version of beersmith thru WINE (emulator) in Mac and Linux.
I run ProMash in Linux thru WINE.
It runs very well.

Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: mrbowenz on November 17, 2009, 09:56:42 PM
As for the OP , you can simply copy and paste directly from Beersmith into most forum posts succuessfully , no special html language needed....hope this helps
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: slimsparty on November 19, 2009, 04:21:36 PM
I tried free tools, Beer Tools, and then Beersmith.  I realy like it a lot.

I probably use about 50% of the capabilities, but all I know if I get a good recipee and good beer results.

I just like to read about a recipe or style and then start messing around making my own version. 

Other plus:
-Fred Loaded a lot of his recipees in it
-Brad Smith is active in his forum and will answer any question you send him
-It is very flexible

It is a steal for $25.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: matt on November 19, 2009, 04:44:05 PM
I have always used beertools lastnight I download the trial version of beersmith is there a big difference between the trial version and real thing? The grain ingredients is really lacking, and some of the text is very difficult to read, also in beertools while makeing a recipe I can duplicate ingredients but not in beersmith. Otherwise I really like the layout and versatility of beersmith and may be changing soon.

You can download more grain options from the beersmith site. In addition you can always add and customize ingredients
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on November 19, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
Within the grain, yeast, and hops 'databases' you can duplicate and/or alter any item.  You can also add styles the same way.

Fred
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: mrbowenz on November 19, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
Other plus:
-Fred Loaded a lot of his recipees in it
-Brad Smith is active in his forum and will answer any question you send him
-It is very flexible

It is a steal for $25.

You should add to your list of plus's

My picture is on the front page  :D
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on November 20, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
On Brad's board BeerSmith.com
Quote
The new version is going well but it is not done.  I have about 90% of the tools complete, the basic databases and recipe entering and manipulation tools done.  I'm working on detailed statistics and mashing profiles next.  The largest blocks still left include the calendar, various file formats, and a lot of cleanup work such as keyboard shortcuts, options dialogs, cleaning up the look and feel, etc...not to mention all of the help documentation.  I also have all of the code running on Mac and PC as I'm developing in parallel.

I'm hoping to have something ready next Spring (sorry) but we will see.  If I can make a big push on the Christmas break I may at least have an alpha version for some of the early test team to cut their teeth on early next year.

It has been a long road and I know many are waiting for it.  I'm working to try to make it worth the wait.

Thanks,
Brad

The good news is that it sounds like Mac users will have an awesome piece of software early next year

Fred
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: The Adequate Brewer on November 20, 2009, 02:28:39 PM

The good news is that it sounds like Mac users will have an awesome oiece of software early next year

Fred
That is good news.  I'll gladly give $25 for the Mac version.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 26, 2009, 09:30:21 PM
Any Linux version in planning?
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: Matt B on November 26, 2009, 10:27:25 PM
I've gotten it to work under wine/cxoffice though I'm still unable to print, but I haven't spent a whole lot of time on it.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on November 27, 2009, 03:23:43 AM
Any Linux version in planning?
It is written on a platform that will allow easy porting to Linux and I expect Brad to give it serious consideration (he already has) but to get V2 out for PC and Mac first

Fred
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on November 27, 2009, 04:19:55 AM
If you are thinking of purchasing BeerSmith,  now might be the time.  For the first time a discount (25%)

http://www.beersmith.com/forum/index.php?topic=2870.new#new (http://www.beersmith.com/forum/index.php?topic=2870.new#new)

FWIW I get nothing from this product
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: tygo on November 27, 2009, 04:51:46 AM
I think I'm probably missing something here.

I've been using the free trial and I want to buy.  But when I click on the paypal link it doesn't seem to be adding Beersmith to my order.  I have a paypal account but when i click on it and log in it just shows zero with no option to add beersmith. 
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on November 27, 2009, 01:42:10 PM
Post your issue on the BeerSmith forum,

I'm sure Brad will help you out

Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: ndcube on December 01, 2009, 01:27:52 PM
FWIW I get nothing from this product

How so?
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on December 01, 2009, 02:19:50 PM
FWIW I get nothing from this product

How so?
I have no financial interest,
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: ndcube on December 01, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
FWIW I get nothing from this product

How so?
I have no financial interest,

OK.  I misread.  I was thinking you meant it wasn't very useful to you.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bigfatjoey on December 10, 2009, 11:38:27 PM
Beersmith VS ProMash????

Thoughts??
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bonjour on December 11, 2009, 12:35:34 AM
Beersmith VS ProMash????

Thoughts??
At this point in time, BeerSmith
If Jeff gets the new version out, ???? 

I've contributed to both

Fred
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: bluesman on December 11, 2009, 12:41:43 AM
+1

I use Beersmith and love it. I've tried Promash and prefer Beersmith. I think it's easier to use and has better options. JM2CW.  8)
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: gail on December 11, 2009, 01:01:25 AM
My preference is currently for BeerSmith.  Gives me all the ingredients I normally use, where ProMash doesn't.  I believe ProMash hasn't been updated for a little while.
Gail
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: ndcube on December 11, 2009, 01:30:02 PM
There are demos for each that I tried before purchasing.  You may want to look into that.  I chose Beersmith.  I liked the interface better.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on December 16, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Beersmith VS ProMash????

Thoughts??
That is like Fly sparge vs Batch Sparge.

I use ProMash but there is a lot of people who have only good things to say about BeerSmith.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: redbeerman on December 17, 2009, 08:28:28 PM
I've used both, but purchased Beersmith.  I'm used to using it and the more you dig into it, the more versatile it is.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: Kaiser on December 17, 2009, 09:02:48 PM
Is there still development for ProMash?

Kai
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: davidw on December 17, 2009, 09:17:52 PM
At this point in time the answer to that would seem to be 'no'.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on December 18, 2009, 06:58:17 PM
There is still support forum that is attended from time to time but I do not think it is in development any more.
What a shame if you ask me.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: denny on December 18, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
There is still support forum that is attended from time to time but I do not think it is in development any more.
What a shame if you ask me.


It is a shame, but that's how life goes.  Jeff has more important things to attend to, which is unfortunate not only for us, but especially for him.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on December 19, 2009, 03:17:50 AM
I do understand that family is more important than anything else.
I am not saying anything about it.

He wrote it as a one man band software company and he has all rights to keep it closed source is he chose to do so.
It is very good piece of software.
If unmaintained it will slowly die and all the happy ProMash users will have to find something else.
Title: Re: Beersmith?
Post by: denny on December 19, 2009, 04:17:11 PM
I do understand that family is more important than anything else.
I am not saying anything about it.

He wrote it as a one man band software company and he has all rights to keep it closed source is he chose to do so.
It is very good piece of software.
If unmaintained it will slowly die and all the happy ProMash users will have to find something else.


I didn't mean to say that you weren't sympathetic to his problems.  Sorry if I implied otherwise.  Yeah, I agree that it will slowly "die", but I don't think that means that it's usefulness will die, too.  Even though there hasn't been a major upgrade in years, I still find that I can do everything I want to do with Promash.