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Title: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brulosopher on August 31, 2015, 06:03:14 am
Kölsch is one of those styles that tastes great all year long, just as thirst quenching during the hot days of summer as it is quaffable in the middle of winter. For this week's xBmt, Ray was curious how different 2 yeast strains from different suppliers were. He split a 10 gallon batch of wort between 2 carboys, pitching 1 with Wyeast 2565 Kölsch yeast and the other with White Labs WLP029 German Ale/Kölsch yeast. Results are in!

http://brulosophy.com/2015/08/31/yeast-comparison-white-labs-wlp029-vs-wyeast-wy2565-xbmt-results/
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: Iliff Ave on August 31, 2015, 07:39:55 am
I just pitched 2565 yesterday for the first time. I normally use 029 so I am very excited to see which strain I prefer. I like a kolsch that is a bit more 'fruity' so it sounds like 2565 might provide a bit more of that.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brulosopher on August 31, 2015, 10:53:28 am
I just pitched 2565 yesterday for the first time. I normally use 029 so I am very excited to see which strain I prefer. I like a kolsch that is a bit more 'fruity' so it sounds like 2565 might provide a bit more of that.
I'm excited to hear which one you prefer as well!
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: chumley on August 31, 2015, 11:26:49 am
while the WY2565 beer was much “funkier” for lack of a more appropriate term. Not funk like a sour beer or Brett, just a lot more yeasty character (not specifically esters or anything).

The term that I have seen used, and agree with, is "winey".  That winey character is why my preference goes to WY2565.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 31, 2015, 11:42:35 am
The term that I have seen used, and agree with, is "winey".  That winey character is why my preference goes to WY2565.

+1
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brewday on August 31, 2015, 11:49:13 am
The term that I have seen used, and agree with, is "winey".  That winey character is why my preference goes to WY2565.

+1

+2
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: Iliff Ave on August 31, 2015, 11:52:44 am
while the WY2565 beer was much “funkier” for lack of a more appropriate term. Not funk like a sour beer or Brett, just a lot more yeasty character (not specifically esters or anything).

The term that I have seen used, and agree with, is "winey".  That winey character is why my preference goes to WY2565.

Good to hear. This is what I was referring to as 'fruity' but 'winey' is more appropriate. I have gotten it once out of WLP029 but I think that was in combination with some hop choices.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brewinhard on August 31, 2015, 12:04:43 pm
Just tapped into my latest kolsch with WY2565 two days ago.  I really enjoy the "chardonnay-like" character from the yeast. 
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: denny on August 31, 2015, 12:05:46 pm
The term that I have seen used, and agree with, is "winey".  That winey character is why my preference goes to WY2565.

+1

Yep...white wine with a bit of fruit.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: erockrph on August 31, 2015, 10:09:59 pm
The term that I have seen used, and agree with, is "winey".  That winey character is why my preference goes to WY2565.

+1

Yep...white wine with a bit of fruit.
Aside from Kolsch, that description really makes me want to brew a Nelson Sauvin pale ale with that yeast...
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: 69franx on September 01, 2015, 06:20:44 pm
The term that I have seen used, and agree with, is "winey".  That winey character is why my preference goes to WY2565.

+1

Yep...white wine with a bit of fruit.
Aside from Kolsch, that description really makes me want to brew a Nelson Sauvin pale ale with that yeast...
That sounds awesome Eric
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: majorvices on September 02, 2015, 08:40:54 am
The only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented  a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: Iliff Ave on September 02, 2015, 09:02:06 am
Man WY2565 took off quickly and went crazy on me. I was purposely fermenting it a bit warmer @ 65F and had my fermentation chamber set to 60F. Everything was perfect. Got home from work and it had jumped up to 68.7 which was disappointing. I set my chamber to 57F and it dropped to 66 in a couple of hours then slowed and dropped to 63. Last night I set the chamber to 65F and it is currently at 64F and seems to be staying at the chamber's ambient temperature.

It is what it is but I wish I could have controlled the temperature a lot better. I try to monitor fermentations closely but I have to go to work at some point...haha. I have never had a beer ferment 9F above ambient as they are usually closer to 5 for me. I will be prepared next time...
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: tommymorris on September 02, 2015, 09:33:15 am
Did either beer have:

Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"

Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"

Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."

I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint.

PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 02, 2015, 09:36:09 am
Did either beer have:

Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"

Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"

Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."

I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint.

PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.


I agree. Kolsch is not blonde ale or helles. It should have that subtle fruit/wine thing.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brewday on September 02, 2015, 09:58:10 am
Did either beer have:

Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"

Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"

Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."

I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint.

PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.


I agree. Kolsch is not blonde ale or helles. It should have that subtle fruit/wine thing.

+1

I do get subtle apple and pear from 2565.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 02, 2015, 10:15:52 am
The only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented  a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.

+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brewinhard on September 02, 2015, 05:33:41 pm
The only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented  a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.

+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.

The exact same temps I use as well. Clean, crisp, slight fruit/wine thing.
Title: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:24:02 am
Did either beer have:

Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"

Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"

Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."

I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint.

PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.
I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.
The only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented  a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.

+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.
I like that range for 029 as well!
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: AmandaK on September 03, 2015, 06:40:42 am
I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.

Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not!  :)
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:41:38 am

I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.

Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not!  :)
Totally! That's more like a Session Baltic :)
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: Stevie on September 03, 2015, 06:48:40 am


I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.

Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not!  :)
Totally! That's more like a Session Baltic :)
No, it's a helles with sinamar.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:51:10 am



I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.

Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not!  :)
Totally! That's more like a Session Baltic :)
No, it's a helles with sinamar.
Ha. I was referring to the layered porter comment. I'd say traditional Schwarzbier has a little more hop character than Helles, but yeah. I'll admit that my Schwarzbier (May the Schwarzbier With You) has some chocolate character, intentionally.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: AmandaK on September 03, 2015, 06:52:23 am



I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.

Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not!  :)
Totally! That's more like a Session Baltic :)
No, it's a helles with sinamar.
Ha. I was referring to the layered porter comment. I'd say traditional Schwarzbier has a little more hop character than Helles, but yeah. I'll admit that my Schwarzbier (May the Schwarzbier With You) has some chocolate character, intentionally.
While not perfect, I prefer to think that Schwarz is a Pils with sinimar. But I'm also in love with Pils. ;)
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: Stevie on September 03, 2015, 07:02:48 am
I was playing off of the "kolsch is a helles with ale yeast" comment. Schwaezbier should have a kiss of roast to it.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: majorvices on September 03, 2015, 07:15:15 am
Did either beer have:

Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"

Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"

Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."

I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint.

PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.
I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.
The only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented  a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.

+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.
I like that range for 029 as well!

I do too but you have to be careful because I have had it stall out if you don't raise it up about 62 before it finishes. But I start them both out at 56-58.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 07:16:32 am

Did either beer have:

Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"

Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"

Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."

I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint.

PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.
I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.
The only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented  a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.

+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.
I like that range for 029 as well!

I do too but you have to be careful because I have had it stall out if you don't raise it up about 62 before it finishes. But I start them both out at 56-58.
I've heard this from others, but in close to 30 experiences with 029 at 58F, I've never had it stall. That said, I always ramp the temp after 3-5 days.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 03, 2015, 07:42:41 am
I do too but you have to be careful because I have had it stall out if you don't raise it up about 62 before it finishes. But I start them both out at 56-58.

Yep, I usually give it 3 days @ 58-60, then bump up a bit.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: majorvices on September 03, 2015, 03:07:30 pm
If you always ramp it up it won't stall!  ;)
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: coolman26 on September 05, 2015, 08:57:36 pm
I'm brewing another Kolsch on Monday. This time with Giga Kolsch 021.  I wonder what strain it is from and where it falls around these yeasts?  I too like WY strain, 029 is too clean for me.     
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: crynski on November 11, 2015, 01:29:38 pm
I found this xbmnt after searching 2565.  I was checking ingredients for a honey wheat recipe someone here shared and it called for 2565, but my local homebrew store only carries white labs liquid yeast and various dry yeasts.  I know I can order it but a quick stop for one or two things means knowing what strain to swap for ones I can't get.  Also I have minimal temp control (brewing in my pantry keep the house pretty cold 60-62) so of suggested strains I sometimes have to pick the one best suited to my temps.

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Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: charles1968 on November 11, 2015, 02:55:33 pm
WLP029 is a good subtitute and drops out faster than 2565 as well as sticking down better in the bottle.

Another Kolsch yeast I can recommend is Colonia F, a dry yeast that you can order direct from Germany from http://www.brauwerkstatt.com/. Just e-mail the info e-mail address to sort out payment via paypal. It's under $3 a packet and a lot more convenient than liquid yeast. A few of the brewers on http://www.maischemalzundmehr.de/ use it. Not sure about shipping costs to the US but to me in the UK it was 4 euros - obviously works out better if you buy a few packets. The site also sells Nottingham and some other dry German yeasts.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: dmtaylor on November 11, 2015, 04:31:10 pm
I found this xbmnt after searching 2565.  I was checking ingredients for a honey wheat recipe someone here shared and it called for 2565, but my local homebrew store only carries white labs liquid yeast and various dry yeasts.  I know I can order it but a quick stop for one or two things means knowing what strain to swap for ones I can't get.  Also I have minimal temp control (brewing in my pantry keep the house pretty cold 60-62) so of suggested strains I sometimes have to pick the one best suited to my temps.

I think you're talking about my recipe.  You know what?  Yeast doesn't matter much in this recipe.  You can go ahead and use US-05 or Notty or WLP029 if you want and it will turn out just fine.  Get whatever's cheap.  I think you're going to like it regardless of yeast.  The malts are what matters in this recipe.
Title: Re: Yeast Comparison: White Labs WLP029 vs. Wyeast WY2565 | xBmt Results!
Post by: crynski on November 11, 2015, 05:19:26 pm
Yep that's the one.  I was really surprised my local only had the brand of liquid yeast.  Am eager to brew that, and I have some local honey (always use local)

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