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Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 21, 2015, 01:01:19 AM
I'm moving the thread to general, due to folks not finding it on events...

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=23735.0

Here is the sign up list so far.
Klickitat Jim
Pete b
Morticaixavier
Toby
Jeffy
Mchrispin
Blatz
69franx
WortH.O.G.
AmandaK
Heavydeadlifts

Reminder, or for folks that haven't seen this before, if you join in you are committing to ship 3 bombers or 6 12s to the person you are assigned. Done by random draw. Its not a pairing because that requires an equal number of participants. You'll ship to one person and receive from another. I suggest at least one homebrew and suggest that local offerings that arent available where your swapper lives are nice too.

If you want in, send me a PM with your user name, real name, and shipping address

The sign up ends this week 9/25. The next day I will post the drawing and PM the shipping info.
Please ship so they get beer during October

Disclaimer: this is not an AHA thing. We are just helping eachother brew better beer. Also, I am not policing this and sending reminders for shipping... if November comes and you haven't gotten a package, feel free to PM your shipper and get it figured out. Keep in mind that we had 100% last time. No deadbeats! Woo hoo! Hint, reduce impatience and nervousness by PMing your plan and a tracking number to your recipient.

What makes this really fun is the polite but helpful banter in the forum on this thread about the beer...


If you want in, shoot me a PM with your info.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 21, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
Added to the list are Surfin.mikeg and Erockrph

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 22, 2015, 04:01:05 AM
Joe Sr, check your PM inbox.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 22, 2015, 11:50:33 AM
Glad you posted it here Jim.  I replied on the other thread but I'll duplicate that by saying I am in, Jim, if it is still open!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on September 22, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
I'm excited! I'll have to ask my receiving person if they like sours or not...  8)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on September 22, 2015, 12:29:56 PM
I'm excited! I'll have to ask my receiving person if they like sours or not...  8)
I think to be safe Jim should make me Amanda's receiving person.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on September 22, 2015, 12:41:37 PM
I like them too Amanda!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 22, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
Glad you posted it here Jim.  I replied on the other thread but I'll duplicate that by saying I am in, Jim, if it is still open!
Cool. Send me a PM with your Name and Shipping Address and I will add you to the list
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 22, 2015, 04:07:01 PM
Joe Sr is officially on the list
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 12:03:59 AM
Update:

I restarted the thread here on general brewing, and locked the one on events, to eliminate confusion and split threads.

Its the 25th! When I get up in the morning I'll take any who have sent me a PM with forum name, real name, and shipping address (no PO Boxes)

I'll post that sign ups are closed

Then I will do the drawing and post that. Sometime tomorrow, all participants will get a PM from me with your recipient's info and some final instructions.

Last chance to join up guys, no more reminders.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on September 26, 2015, 12:08:44 AM
Guess I'll look at bottling Sunday.  :)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 01:25:55 AM
A couple things while we wait for the clock to clock down

No rush on shipping, so long as they receive while it is still Oktober...

Someone asked me what to do if you're going to be gone for certain days and dont want a box of beer sitting in the weather. Easy fix. When I release the lineup, I encourage you to contact your recipient with an estimate of when you will ship. Waiting sucks, but waiting with info is much better. This is when you would let your shipper know if you are going to be out of town a certain time frame. You might also ask them if there is a local offering they've been wanting to try out. You might check to see if they are allergic to shelfish before shipping your Clam-bucha. Stuff like that. Then, if you want to be especially awesome, you will send them their tracking info.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 26, 2015, 01:40:13 AM
Jim - It a bomber of 2 different homebrews + 1 bomber local good stuff, right ?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 02:55:21 AM
Jim - It a bomber of 2 different homebrews + 1 bomber local good stuff, right ?
That would work! All just suggestions, no hard rules. Keeps it kinda equal. You can send a case, but only expect 3 bombers or 6 12s
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
Sign ups are closed

Edited to show recipient changes

Klickitat Jim ships to AmandaK
Pete B ships to Mchrispen
Morticaixavier ships to Blatz
Toby ships to Joe Sr
Jeffy ships to Ynotbrysum
Mchrispen ships to Heavydeadlifts
Blatz ships to Pete B
Erockrph ships to Klickitat Jim
Joe Sr ships to Toby
Ynotbrewsum ships to Jeffy
Hoosierbrew ships to Erockrph
69franx ships to Surfin.mike
WortHOG ships to Hoosierbrew
AmandaK ships to 69franx
Surfin.mikeg ships to WortHOG
Heavydeadlifts ships to Morticaixavier

Shippers: I will PM the address of your recipient soon. Please PM them with your shipping plans, then PM the tracking number to them when you ship. The goal is to get beer while its still Oktober.

Recipients: Feel free to discuss the beer on this thread.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 01:01:46 PM
All PMs have been sent with shipping info. Woo hoo, the work is done, let the fun begin!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 02:36:42 PM
So... because I didn't have the foresight to keep records from the last swap, Mchrispen ended up with the same recipient as last time. To alleviate too much confusing, would one person swap recipients with him? First person to quote reply to this post with "I will" send Mchrispen your recipient info in a PM, and he will respond with your new recipients info.

Hopefully that is the only repeat...

Next swap I will have to remember that tid bit of info. Sorry folks
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on September 26, 2015, 02:53:09 PM
So... because I didn't have the foresight to keep records from the last swap, Mchrispen ended up with the same recipient as last time. To alleviate too much confusing, would one person swap recipients with him? First person to quote reply to this post with "I will" send Mchrispen your recipient info in a PM, and he will respond with your new recipients info.

Hopefully that is the only repeat...

Next swap I will have to remember that tid bit of info. Sorry folks

you can swap me- i sent him my person shipping info.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 02:58:28 PM
So... because I didn't have the foresight to keep records from the last swap, Mchrispen ended up with the same recipient as last time. To alleviate too much confusing, would one person swap recipients with him? First person to quote reply to this post with "I will" send Mchrispen your recipient info in a PM, and he will respond with your new recipients info.

Hopefully that is the only repeat...

Next swap I will have to remember that tid bit of info. Sorry folks

you can swap me- i sent him my person shipping info.
Good job, problem solved. I edited the recipient list above to reflect that change.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Guys and Gal, I'm getting a lot of pleasant banter via PM. I appreciate it, but for fun thats what this thread is for. Feel free to banter away about the Swap right here. If its a private question for me, or info like names and addresses, then please use the PM
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on September 26, 2015, 04:47:47 PM
So this will be my first swap or shipping of beer, without trying to Google it on my phone, what is the best way to package safely?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: quattlebaum on September 26, 2015, 04:50:57 PM
oops! maybe i should pay more attention to the forum:) maybe next time
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 05:23:27 PM
So this will be my first swap or shipping of beer, without trying to Google it on my phone, what is the best way to package safely?
Best way? Best I've seen was a box with Styrofoam specially made for the 6 bombers of awesome homebrew I got from an awesome brewer in Texas.

I individually wrap my bottles in bubble warp, and then pack in the box so they can't wiggle around.  Line the box first with a garbage bag, then tie it off once all the bubble wrapped bottles and packing material is inside. In case of a leak, it contains it and keeps them from throwing it away.

Do not use the US Postal Service. I recommend a private shipper such as UPS or FedEx. I'll avoid the debate on rules and ethics, and just say that if they ask me what is in the box I tell them its "homemade gifts." I've also used "yeast samples" when shipping bottles of live yeast in bottles of spent wort to competions that receive their shipments at breweries.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 05:24:18 PM
oops! maybe i should pay more attention to the forum:) maybe next time
Yes you should! No worries, I will do another swap in the spring.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on September 26, 2015, 07:34:06 PM
Thanks Worthog. I am sure Jon will enjoy beer from someone besides me!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 26, 2015, 07:39:26 PM
Thanks Worthog. I am sure Jon will enjoy beer from someone besides me!
Variety is nice, but your beer ain't nothing to pass up. Now the pressure is on for WortHOG lol.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on September 26, 2015, 08:17:12 PM
Thanks Worthog. I am sure Jon will enjoy beer from someone besides me!
Variety is nice, but your beer ain't nothing to pass up. Now the pressure is on for WortHOG lol.

Jon's had some of my beers before..i will send something different this time anyway! Jon- I will also grab some fatheads or try for something exclusive to to great lakes tap room to throw in. if they have that black ipa i will grab that.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 26, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
Thanks Worthog. I am sure Jon will enjoy beer from someone besides me!
Variety is nice, but your beer ain't nothing to pass up. Now the pressure is on for WortHOG lol.

No joke. Your beer was great, Matt - especially that dubbel ! I'd have been happy to drink yours again. Wort-Hog's is no slouch either though, to put it mildly.
Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on September 27, 2015, 01:14:30 AM
Thanks Worthog. I am sure Jon will enjoy beer from someone besides me!
Variety is nice, but your beer ain't nothing to pass up. Now the pressure is on for WortHOG lol.
No joke. Your beer was great, Matt - especially that dubbel ! I'd have been happy to drink yours again. Wort-Hog's is no slouch either though, to put it mildly.
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You might be getting the all German flight Jon- Munich dunkel, Pilsner, and o'fest ....but have UK challenger pale ale and cascade, centennial, Citra and Amarillo pale ale, esb...... Might be a big box!


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 27, 2015, 02:14:57 AM
You might be getting the all German flight Jon- Munich dunkel, Pilsner, and o'fest ....but have UK challenger pale ale and cascade, centennial, Citra and Amarillo pale ale, esb...... Might be a big box!

Sounds fantastic !  I'm sure I'll enjoy whatever it is.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on September 27, 2015, 10:17:36 PM
Sign ups are closed

Edited to show recipient changes

Klickitat Jim ships to AmandaK
Pete B ships to Mchrispen
Morticaixavier ships to Blatz
Toby ships to Joe Sr
Jeffy ships to Ynotbrysum
Mchrispen ships to Heavydeadlifts
Blatz ships to Pete B
Erockrph ships to Klickitat Jim
Joe Sr ships to Toby
Ynotbrewsum ships to Jeffy
Hoosierbrew ships to Erockrph
69franx ships to Surfin.mike
WortHOG ships to Hoosierbrew
AmandaK ships to 69franx
Surfin.mikeg ships to WortHOG
Heavydeadlifts ships to Morticaixavier

Shippers: I will PM the address of your recipient soon. Please PM them with your shipping plans, then PM the tracking number to them when you ship. The goal is to get beer while its still Oktober.

Recipients: Feel free to discuss the beer on this thread.
Looks like a couple direct swaps in there. lol
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 27, 2015, 10:45:52 PM
Sign ups are closed

Edited to show recipient changes

Klickitat Jim ships to AmandaK
Pete B ships to Mchrispen
Morticaixavier ships to Blatz
Toby ships to Joe Sr
Jeffy ships to Ynotbrysum
Mchrispen ships to Heavydeadlifts
Blatz ships to Pete B
Erockrph ships to Klickitat Jim
Joe Sr ships to Toby
Ynotbrewsum ships to Jeffy
Hoosierbrew ships to Erockrph
69franx ships to Surfin.mike
WortHOG ships to Hoosierbrew
AmandaK ships to 69franx
Surfin.mikeg ships to WortHOG
Heavydeadlifts ships to Morticaixavier

Shippers: I will PM the address of your recipient soon. Please PM them with your shipping plans, then PM the tracking number to them when you ship. The goal is to get beer while its still Oktober.

Recipients: Feel free to discuss the beer on this thread.
Looks like a couple direct swaps in there. lol
You're right Toby, you and Joe Sr. Not sure how that fell in place. Hopefully it's OK
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on September 27, 2015, 10:48:50 PM
Sign ups are closed

Edited to show recipient changes

Klickitat Jim ships to AmandaK
Pete B ships to Mchrispen
Morticaixavier ships to Blatz
Toby ships to Joe Sr
Jeffy ships to Ynotbrysum
Mchrispen ships to Heavydeadlifts
Blatz ships to Pete B
Erockrph ships to Klickitat Jim
Joe Sr ships to Toby
Ynotbrewsum ships to Jeffy
Hoosierbrew ships to Erockrph
69franx ships to Surfin.mike
WortHOG ships to Hoosierbrew
AmandaK ships to 69franx
Surfin.mikeg ships to WortHOG
Heavydeadlifts ships to Morticaixavier

Shippers: I will PM the address of your recipient soon. Please PM them with your shipping plans, then PM the tracking number to them when you ship. The goal is to get beer while its still Oktober.

Recipients: Feel free to discuss the beer on this thread.
Looks like a couple direct swaps in there. lol
You're right Toby, you and Joe Sr. Not sure how that fell in place. Hopefully it's OK

Also Ynotbrusome and me.  I think we're OK with that.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 28, 2015, 01:28:08 AM
Definitely good with me.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 28, 2015, 02:37:00 AM
Cool. I do it kinda random, but I missed a couple details this time. I'll have the bugs worked out next go around. Maybe
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on September 28, 2015, 03:16:09 PM
You're right Toby, you and Joe Sr. Not sure how that fell in place. Hopefully it's OK
Not a problem at all.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 30, 2015, 02:02:13 AM
AmandaK

Box en route tomorrow. My saison with bret, a helles and a dunkel. Your mission is to figure out which is which, LOL. Also something from Hood River, something from Portlang, and something Denny should know about. I'll PM a tracking number tomorrow

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on September 30, 2015, 05:30:38 PM
AmandaK
PM sent with tracking number. Enjoy unpacking it! Bwahahah
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 03, 2015, 01:19:38 PM
@69franx

Frank! Your package is in route.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/03/ba1541589f2c2655115122246896e5cb.jpg)

From left to right: Crooked Stave, a 13% dark saison from 2013, two of our American Wild Stouts, my Gueuze (blend of 2011 & 2013 lambic), and our wedding toast beer "Ein Prosit". You said you wanted sours! :)

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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 03, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
AmandaK
PM sent with tracking number. Enjoy unpacking it! Bwahahah
Am I gonna have to hack it apart with a razor blade?? Lol

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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 03, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
Amanda, that sounds awesome! Wild stout sounds very intriguing and of course I have heard great things about Crooked Stave
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 03, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
AmandaK
PM sent with tracking number. Enjoy unpacking it! Bwahahah
Am I gonna have to hack it apart with a razor blade?? Lol

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No, a pair of vice grips and an ATV winch ought to get it done
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 03, 2015, 02:22:15 PM
You didn't fill the box with concrete again?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 03, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
Not this time. Well, not that I know of
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 03, 2015, 04:54:25 PM
Dunno how I missed all te posts here.

I've been hitting a number of different bottle shops to find some good locals for Toby. I don't usually think about it much but wow do we have a lot of locals.

Bottling this weekend and hoping to ship next week. Still not 100% on what going in.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 03, 2015, 05:44:22 PM
I am filling a 12 slot box for Ynotbrusum with 6 home brews and a variety of local commercial beers.  I cannot say I am proud of the homebrews I am sending, but I won't tell you about them until after you've tried them, so as to avoid instilling any preconceptions.  For all I know you may like them.
These are the homebrews:
Old Ale aged in an oak barrel with some Brett
IPA dry hopped with Amarillo
Belgian Witbier
Same witbier with poblano peppers
A blend of two 4+ year old solara sours
A very old, very dry cranberry mead
These are beers I picked up as growlers and decanted into bottles:
Raised Bungalow from Southern Brewing, a Berliner with prickly pear that won Best Florida Beer Pro competition this year
Andre's Ete d'Houblon, a hoppy Saison from Cigar City, one of their Trocadero Series beers
These are cans or bottles:
Maduro Brown Ale, Cigar City
Tocabaga Red, Cigar City
Reef Donkey, Tampa Bay Brewing, APA that won a GABF medal last year
Sauvage, collaboration with Green Bench and Trinity

That last one cost as much as all the others combined, so I hope it's good.



Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 04, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
I am filling a 12 slot box for Ynotbrusum with 6 home brews and a variety of local commercial beers.  I cannot say I am proud of the homebrews I am sending, but I won't tell you about them until after you've tried them, so as to avoid instilling any preconceptions.  For all I know you may like them.
These are the homebrews:
Old Ale aged in an oak barrel with some Brett
IPA dry hopped with Amarillo
Belgian Witbier
Same witbier with poblano peppers
A blend of two 4+ year old solara sours
A very old, very dry cranberry mead
These are beers I picked up as growlers and decanted into bottles:
Raised Bungalow from Southern Brewing, a Berliner with prickly pear that won Best Florida Beer Pro competition this year
Andre's Ete d'Houblon, a hoppy Saison from Cigar City, one of their Trocadero Series beers
These are cans or bottles:
Maduro Brown Ale, Cigar City
Tocabaga Red, Cigar City
Reef Donkey, Tampa Bay Brewing, APA that won a GABF medal last year
Sauvage, collaboration with Green Bench and Trinity

That last one cost as much as all the others combined, so I hope it's good.
Holy smokes, he'll be changing his name to ynotdrinksum
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 04, 2015, 02:49:10 AM
I've been hitting a number of different bottle shops to find some good locals for Toby. I don't usually think about it much but wow do we have a lot of locals.

Bottling this weekend and hoping to ship next week. Still not 100% on what going in.
I'm in a similar boat, except I don't drink a heck of a lot of commercial brews. We've had quite a few locals appear on the scene recently, but I have to admit that I'm not familiar with a lot of it. I'm going to need to do some homework before I ship to Jim. Tough work, I suppose  ;D

I'm probably not going to be able to ship for a few more weeks. I have a few things in the pipeline that I'm waiting on, but I have some solid backups if they're not ready for primetime.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 04, 2015, 02:59:31 AM
I've been hitting a number of different bottle shops to find some good locals for Toby. I don't usually think about it much but wow do we have a lot of locals.

Bottling this weekend and hoping to ship next week. Still not 100% on what going in.
I'm in a similar boat, except I don't drink a heck of a lot of commercial brews. We've had quite a few locals appear on the scene recently, but I have to admit that I'm not familiar with a lot of it. I'm going to need to do some homework before I ship to Jim. Tough work, I suppose  ;D

I'm probably not going to be able to ship for a few more weeks. I have a few things in the pipeline that I'm waiting on, but I have some solid backups if they're not ready for primetime.
Absolutely no rush. Im looking forward to whatever comes my way. Fun stuff
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 05, 2015, 05:17:24 AM
I've been hitting a number of different bottle shops to find some good locals for Toby. I don't usually think about it much but wow do we have a lot of locals.

Bottling this weekend and hoping to ship next week. Still not 100% on what going in.
There's a goodly amount of Chicago beers, so feel free to time your shipment so that it's not sitting in a warehouse over the weekend.  Also keep in mind that I'm out of town next Thursday (the 15th), so if you don't get to ship where it'll be in on the 14th, I have no issue waiting until the Monday following for you to ship.

The box to you will be going out tomorrow.  I bottled today.  3 bombers of mine along with a couple of locals to fill it out.  I'll message you the details of the beers from me, but there is a multi-award winning beer in the mix.  Hopefully the intangibles are all there.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 05, 2015, 12:32:15 PM
Amanda, that sounds awesome! Wild stout sounds very intriguing and of course I have heard great things about Crooked Stave

The wild stout has a few awards under its belt. 2nd place this weekend at the Sower's Cup in 23A, advanced to Nationals this year, and has a few other medals that I can't remember off the top of my head. The gueuze has won in plenty of comps, the toast beer never got entered in a comp since I only had it in large format bottles (but the recipe wins about 60% of the time), and the 13% saison is one of those beers that you don't even enter in comps - hence the waxing. I hope you enjoy! I would have sent some German lagers, but we pretty much cleared out the kegerator the weekend before I shipped - whoops!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 05, 2015, 12:44:07 PM
Amanda, that sounds awesome! Wild stout sounds very intriguing and of course I have heard great things about Crooked Stave

The wild stout has a few awards under its belt. 2nd place this weekend at the Sower's Cup in 23A, advanced to Nationals this year, and has a few other medals that I can't remember off the top of my head. The gueuze has won in plenty of comps, the toast beer never got entered in a comp since I only had it in large format bottles (but the recipe wins about 60% of the time), and the 13% saison is one of those beers that you don't even enter in comps - hence the waxing. I hope you enjoy! I would have sent some German lagers, but we pretty much cleared out the kegerator the weekend before I shipped - whoops!

Sounds like Frank is hitting the mother lode, Amanda !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 05, 2015, 03:31:19 PM
One of the cool things about these swaps is how they show what brewers are like. Its at least as much fun to share than receive. I think that if there wasn't a three beer suggested limit, folks would ship a whole pallet. Another aspect is that we all appreciate whatever we get. From quirky first tries to tried and true medal winners. What a cool hobby with great people
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 05, 2015, 04:36:06 PM
One of the cool things about these swaps is how they show what brewers are like. Its at least as much fun to share than receive. I think that if there wasn't a three beer suggested limit, folks would ship a whole pallet. Another aspect is that we all appreciate whatever we get. From quirky first tries to tried and true medal winners. What a cool hobby with great people

Oops.  Three beer limit?  Well, they are all smaller bottles....
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 05, 2015, 04:49:41 PM
The limit is a suggestion. It gives a kind of heads up to only expect and be happy with 3 bombers, or 6 12s. Or 2 bombers and two 12s,  or...  its supposed to prevent situations where a guy ships a case and only gets one bottle back, and feels cheated, and then rants about what a ripoff it was, ruining the whole vibe. Yuk! Plus with a limit of 3, most people can feel up to joining in. Not everyone has a cellar full of awesome variety. And thats OK!

But honestly, the overwhelming majority of homebrewers are crazy generous and very grateful people. Rules are normally not needed. Its about the fun of sharing, and making connections, and learning.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 05, 2015, 04:58:27 PM
The limit is a suggestion. It gives a kind of heads up to only expect and be happy with 3 bombers, or 6 12s. Or 2 bombers and two 12s,  or...  its supposed to prevent situations where a guy ships a case and only gets one bottle back, and feels cheated, and then rants about what a ripoff it was, ruining the whole vibe. Yuk! Plus with a limit of 3, most people can feel up to joining in. Not everyone has a cellar full of awesome variety. And thats OK!

But honestly, the overwhelming majority of homebrewers are crazy generous and very grateful people. Rules are normally not needed. Its about the fun of sharing, and making connections, and learning.
I think having a target and holding it loosely is perfect. It seems that the so called limit is really in practice considered a minimum. That's perfect too.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 05, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
The limit is a suggestion. It gives a kind of heads up to only expect and be happy with 3 bombers, or 6 12s. Or 2 bombers and two 12s,  or...  its supposed to prevent situations where a guy ships a case and only gets one bottle back, and feels cheated, and then rants about what a ripoff it was, ruining the whole vibe. Yuk! Plus with a limit of 3, most people can feel up to joining in. Not everyone has a cellar full of awesome variety. And thats OK!

But honestly, the overwhelming majority of homebrewers are crazy generous and very grateful people. Rules are normally not needed. Its about the fun of sharing, and making connections, and learning.
I think having a target and holding it loosely is perfect. It seems that the so called limit is really in practice considered a minimum. That's perfect too.

+1.  I agree, I enjoy the sharing of beers more than worrying about what comes in return. Just takes the fun of the forum up a notch for me.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 05, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
I'm sending 5 bombers.  3 of my beers and 2 locals.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 05, 2015, 06:11:49 PM
Yes Jon, I am very excited about Amanda's shipment, but drinking it will have to wait, as we will be out of town for a wedding from Friday till the following Sunday. I am shipping to Surfin.Mikeg hopefully on Thursday this week. Targeting 1 each from my pilsner split batch between 830& 833, 1 saison with your blend of 3724&3711 at a 2:1 level, then 2 different homebrew Märzens I am bottling tonight. He originally said he did not want any local stuff, but I may find something nice to round out the package
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 05, 2015, 08:23:02 PM
One of the cool things about these swaps is how they show what brewers are like. Its at least as much fun to share than receive. I think that if there wasn't a three beer suggested limit, folks would ship a whole pallet. Another aspect is that we all appreciate whatever we get. From quirky first tries to tried and true medal winners. What a cool hobby with great people

Oops.  Three beer limit?  Well, they are all smaller bottles....

Wow, Jeff - you went way overboard.  I PM'd you this morning on what is being sent your way (dropped them off at lunch today), but now I feel like a piker:

1 Berliner Weiss from me and 1 from Off Color (Fierce), 1 Flanders Red (Bretted Solera with Tart Cherry Wine base added about a year ago and blended last winter), 1 Kentucky Common (poor fill - sorry about that one, it was way carbed in the keg), 1 Ordinary bitter, 1 Blackberry Bretted Saison (bottle conditioning - it was just racked from primary, so give it a couple weeks); 1 Oktoberfest from Two Brothers - an oaked imperial Okto, 3 Wild Onion IPA's, 3 Half Acre IPA's.

The partridge in a pear tree was left out.  I will PM you the tracking info....

I will PM the tracking to you.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 05, 2015, 08:26:03 PM
Yes Jon, I am very excited about Amanda's shipment, but drinking it will have to wait, as we will be out of town for a wedding from Friday till the following Sunday.

I forgot to mention that the American Wild Stout has actually been pasteurized. So that beer will taste exactly as it is when you get it or if you decide to save one/both for later. Pasteurizing wild beers when they get 'perfect' is awesome - I've had some of my own wild beer, from a friend's cellar, 4 years later and it was amazing how much it tasted exactly like I had it years before. :o Crazy.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 05, 2015, 10:52:34 PM
Jon- packaged up a bomber each of Northern German pils, O'Fest, Vienna Citra, Centennial, Cascade, and Amarillo Pale Ale, and Munich Dunkel. Making a trip this week to Great Lakes to see if I can score a growler of Imperial Dortmunder so I can send you a bomber of that. All goes as planned, ship out end of this week.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 05, 2015, 10:54:14 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 05, 2015, 11:03:38 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

ended up being all German- including the Imperial Dortmunder if I score that from GL.....had some others but thought WTF, lets do it Deutschland Style!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 05, 2015, 11:08:52 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

ended up being all German- including the Imperial Dortmunder if I score that from GL.....had some others but thought WTF, lets do it Deutschland Style!

Love it. I've been drinking a lot of German beers lately. Got a couple in the pipeline, too. Love GL Dort, so I'm betting the Imperial is excellent. I've really enjoyed every one of the beers I've had from them.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 05, 2015, 11:12:46 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

ended up being all German- including the Imperial Dortmunder if I score that from GL.....had some others but thought WTF, lets do it Deutschland Style!

Love it. I've been drinking a lot of German beers lately. Got a couple in the pipeline, too. Love GL Dort, so I'm betting the Imperial is excellent. I've really enjoyed every one of the beers I've had from them.

My APA I coined GPA is my rendition of what I would think a German might (i say might as they just don't seem to be there yet) produce and drink. hop smooth rendition of the APA.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 05, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

ended up being all German- including the Imperial Dortmunder if I score that from GL.....had some others but thought WTF, lets do it Deutschland Style!

Love it. I've been drinking a lot of German beers lately. Got a couple in the pipeline, too. Love GL Dort, so I'm betting the Imperial is excellent. I've really enjoyed every one of the beers I've had from them.

My APA I coined GPA is my rendition of what I would think a German might (i say might as they just don't seem to be there yet) produce and drink. hop smooth rendition of the APA.

That's one of the cool things about homebrewing - no partners or shareholders to answer to. We get to do stuff like that ! Sounds good.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 05, 2015, 11:20:01 PM
Sauvage, collaboration with Green Bench and Trinity

That last one cost as much as all the others combined, so I hope it's good.

You're shipping cologne?  I've heard of people drinking scope, but never cologne...

3 Half Acre IPA's.

What did you get from Half ACre?  I thought of getting some Akari Shogun and bottling it, but my time is sooo limited.  Kids aren't home yet, so here I am back on-line.

I've got some Daisy Cutter on tap in the basement I could bottle up, I suppose.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 05, 2015, 11:22:39 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

ended up being all German- including the Imperial Dortmunder if I score that from GL.....had some others but thought WTF, lets do it Deutschland Style!

Love it. I've been drinking a lot of German beers lately. Got a couple in the pipeline, too. Love GL Dort, so I'm betting the Imperial is excellent. I've really enjoyed every one of the beers I've had from them.

My APA I coined GPA is my rendition of what I would think a German might (i say might as they just don't seem to be there yet) produce and drink. hop smooth rendition of the APA.

That's one of the cool things about homebrewing - no partners or shareholders to answer to. We get to do stuff like that ! Sounds good.

oops just remembered  :o  ...slipping a bomber of Robust Vanilla Porter in their also. 10 months old and aged well I think.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 06, 2015, 09:40:02 PM
3 Half Acre IPA's.

What did you get from Half ACre?  I thought of getting some Akari Shogun and bottling it, but my time is sooo limited.  Kids aren't home yet, so here I am back on-line.

I've got some Daisy Cutter on tap in the basement I could bottle up, I suppose.

It was a toss up between Daisy Cutter and Gone Away - I went with Gone Away.  Balanced that with 3 Wild Onion IPA's.

I think this Swaptoberfest is gonna work out pretty darn well.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 06, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
AmandaK, your/my box full of goodies arrived today and all look to be in good shape. All in refrigerator now, but will likely only have time to try one before leaving town Friday morning. Any suggestions as to what to try first?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 06, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
Eric (erockrph) - Shipped some good stuff to you today.  Just PM'd you the tracking number.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 07, 2015, 12:04:51 AM
Suggestion folks

Pretend they are your beers. let them sit in the fridge a few days. Let them settle. No one is in a hurry, or well, shouldn't be
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 07, 2015, 01:36:19 AM
All my beers are from kegs- no settling required so chill and enjoy at your leisure


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 07, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

1Z02X4860390027614

out this afternoon so there by Friday latest.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 07, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

1Z02X4860390027614

out this afternoon so there by Friday latest.

Awesome. I'm psyched !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 07, 2015, 02:17:51 PM
AmandaK
PM sent with tracking number. Enjoy unpacking it! Bwahahah

Jim, you evil, evil man. ;D I've seen some wicked packing jobs before when unpacking for comps, but this one takes the cake! I had to use a exacto blade to get it all unpacked. Pics for everyone's enjoyment:

I tried to pull on the little white bag tuft, it just resulted in packing peanuts everywhere. I ended up having to cut open the bag while it stayed in the peanuts:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LGGIzdcEuun0hGq375gosrx_EKQlTJLmDuuL9O7k3W8dRjaoziUM_BuI_XBXuDnrR9pIU69mWn5HVfLkT4_AFx46YcXrTpX2CAXddhFJ7JRmYBOCNE7sdXxcXPzqOB0f2gy9leVeE01KyabdVotJQ8SiliCDAwSeM9YI4qQeQO7ttlsKyWxUV83HYI4ZjimztAsx-oZ4-QXMHsMapvQUOfq6CHx6kkIUQI43ki66CPbzF3sQ1LLLwgRDBcBK4VLg8tWRh5AQBhzoSdVUkYaw6QBV6_H4YbrabHw9EQGgKaoTP8E7dSq3Bkfko7d6eFROQ9wGIqp_aDuKLhvED6iewEwvebDeJgh0-giuGNGVrmBnzHdsNLzIe4FtVE2ijn4tFmE9KsRUJo8ZhMIu-6Qthc8867H46i5Z8jK7M_sbVPpzxheOCEwh73ouPhuDhsdrQ6NsNCbK3jk4RUN8X90-H2yGq38wRnzRWoNmpCdyIXaiotMfw_eEzbOeCB7TSBna2W-I_YndYvwHjqbQqYc9WlvOSoCqb6vUAuE-D7h6r64=w483-h858-no)

And then they were sealed in a Food Saver bag, 2 bottles per pouch:
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Lololol - this one had bonus packing peanuts in it  ;D I was giggling the whole time I opened these:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MBcarli1xywTYT05DRFG5fe-tTfh7uQAq9hH-LJOSs27QbQUBy90LLBAkUZFXqYGGnEBBJayv3zofJZNGVCqZ57ACBShTDl3bwa6MtlSHCjP_zpLRjHo7d1bVTuTrVeRpgjBLB1xg8_NoECwUcpH6dTuUtv549WV9uhrX44ovtFn7vbKeX_dlGHhPPnM2Q16vlUlYAOCU7V1DMw3daD04s9MBtrJCThLZqBRG1e0HYTiTpEMP09PW45IWHHKHc1meLdmgyfTX2t2uEIyPu9nE2mICWSWOcIMLzpui-oDyTuilbvCI3__uDDpGBvw9QPjX_03DPVLJKQG66EM7ScIN18oy07TPvScDadd6S0cotkSEGoQVYPCpTCdrgURT-OjlhIZwpsyKdRixyu4KC7udRjOBtLrWlbOryP_pzIeYUMBW1ghikhXBEvy05qtJmfAfk1ArmXyXKBIv7CJW9eMyVbyKT3M7l6u2j271bd1CaJBce78_pBxdvU4VX4H5Kq9lawJKRpGJUvTZEDVN7PbfopYVvaqKKpjDpR3ACYNdZ4=w483-h858-no)

And finally, inside the Food Saver bags was bubble wrap:
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Success!
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I had probably way to much fun opening this package. I'm quite looking forward to these beers. Myles is eye-ballin' the Espresso Stout already.  8)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 07, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Awesome.  ;D
Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 07, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
Can't wait, Ken. Sounds terrific !

1Z02X4860390027614

out this afternoon so there by Friday latest.

Awesome. I'm psyched !

Curve ball on imperial dort- didn't have it. Went with Great Lakes Ohio city farmhouse saison... See pic for details.
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 07, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
Sounds awesome. Love that brewery.
Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 07, 2015, 04:21:56 PM
Sounds awesome. Love that brewery.
Package is off. Now I'm heading home to have a pint of that Saison!
 Edit: here's what the GL Saison looks like....tastes fantastic!
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 07, 2015, 04:23:10 PM
AmandaK
PM sent with tracking number. Enjoy unpacking it! Bwahahah

Jim, you evil, evil man. ;D I've seen some wicked packing jobs before when unpacking for comps, but this one takes the cake! I had to use a exacto blade to get it all unpacked. Pics for everyone's enjoyment:

I tried to pull on the little white bag tuft, it just resulted in packing peanuts everywhere. I ended up having to cut open the bag while it stayed in the peanuts:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LGGIzdcEuun0hGq375gosrx_EKQlTJLmDuuL9O7k3W8dRjaoziUM_BuI_XBXuDnrR9pIU69mWn5HVfLkT4_AFx46YcXrTpX2CAXddhFJ7JRmYBOCNE7sdXxcXPzqOB0f2gy9leVeE01KyabdVotJQ8SiliCDAwSeM9YI4qQeQO7ttlsKyWxUV83HYI4ZjimztAsx-oZ4-QXMHsMapvQUOfq6CHx6kkIUQI43ki66CPbzF3sQ1LLLwgRDBcBK4VLg8tWRh5AQBhzoSdVUkYaw6QBV6_H4YbrabHw9EQGgKaoTP8E7dSq3Bkfko7d6eFROQ9wGIqp_aDuKLhvED6iewEwvebDeJgh0-giuGNGVrmBnzHdsNLzIe4FtVE2ijn4tFmE9KsRUJo8ZhMIu-6Qthc8867H46i5Z8jK7M_sbVPpzxheOCEwh73ouPhuDhsdrQ6NsNCbK3jk4RUN8X90-H2yGq38wRnzRWoNmpCdyIXaiotMfw_eEzbOeCB7TSBna2W-I_YndYvwHjqbQqYc9WlvOSoCqb6vUAuE-D7h6r64=w483-h858-no)

And then they were sealed in a Food Saver bag, 2 bottles per pouch:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fdDxjQatmNgLphWWZj7pQ7TTusnOnlsaZv_-Ic9khNZGsnKYeCVqrHDIk6e736UxQk3S_XRtNImbDdsen5PoI2z8dsNDfDvZGOu9JiBkHm2sUCtpGDEYsLGJcGSOqS8IYHXZJi1h9w8AO9hnoNnXmBLaqzciKmBgYb-iZYwAAHXuALFtwmt-lJBgAZVJwVvYp9JbKMy4ZQdDxihthSjvs7buH4kSpRye0j7w-avwp3S7nwt6crMHsvRhTcxQPWM_MIYBDrhD6tIRirQqCHpFhvFA_9xlw3RuOV1RtRSEib3adWi90wcv27QAmI2FlALn0UaiWgi1Rs9s242kmtzakM3op05nj3zF-yZoXozUP2xTVBh7k5O1OJAHy6IvViOEnyqGv04PUKe67-rgZej_1AcsWV6mTFyvdZqlJOW7IvS7NznGkKMK2_3QulSDkcpzACa7GktZBvVqHKR_zIVkLhdW2tmKco3Z9LgcSaZ1vgJIjty8AjEBAmEOgaQ7yfAPOK7Gfy0fBH8rGWv8M8k08nyXZMrar1LX4MhNxsj2rmI=w483-h858-no)

Lololol - this one had bonus packing peanuts in it  ;D I was giggling the whole time I opened these:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MBcarli1xywTYT05DRFG5fe-tTfh7uQAq9hH-LJOSs27QbQUBy90LLBAkUZFXqYGGnEBBJayv3zofJZNGVCqZ57ACBShTDl3bwa6MtlSHCjP_zpLRjHo7d1bVTuTrVeRpgjBLB1xg8_NoECwUcpH6dTuUtv549WV9uhrX44ovtFn7vbKeX_dlGHhPPnM2Q16vlUlYAOCU7V1DMw3daD04s9MBtrJCThLZqBRG1e0HYTiTpEMP09PW45IWHHKHc1meLdmgyfTX2t2uEIyPu9nE2mICWSWOcIMLzpui-oDyTuilbvCI3__uDDpGBvw9QPjX_03DPVLJKQG66EM7ScIN18oy07TPvScDadd6S0cotkSEGoQVYPCpTCdrgURT-OjlhIZwpsyKdRixyu4KC7udRjOBtLrWlbOryP_pzIeYUMBW1ghikhXBEvy05qtJmfAfk1ArmXyXKBIv7CJW9eMyVbyKT3M7l6u2j271bd1CaJBce78_pBxdvU4VX4H5Kq9lawJKRpGJUvTZEDVN7PbfopYVvaqKKpjDpR3ACYNdZ4=w483-h858-no)

And finally, inside the Food Saver bags was bubble wrap:
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I had probably way to much fun opening this package. I'm quite looking forward to these beers. Myles is eye-ballin' the Espresso Stout already.  8)
I just couldn't resist.  Glad you had fun
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 07, 2015, 04:27:09 PM
I dropped off a package for Wort-HOG this morning.  I revamped my approach to homebrewing after the AHA Conference (going for lighter and more balanced flavor across hops/grain/yeast) and I'm hoping to get some feedback. 

I'm happy to reship in smaller containers if anything is broken.  For the curious:

UPS said they no longer mark packages as "Fragile" as it's all automated via barcodes and that it's gotta survive 5 foot drops across conveyor belts.  I have each bomber wrapped in plastic, then 0.5 to 1.5 inch of foam, and then two layers of cardboard.  It's a tight fit.  Five feet is a large drop though.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 07, 2015, 04:48:13 PM
I dropped off a package for Wort-HOG this morning.  I revamped my approach to homebrewing after the AHA Conference (going for lighter and more balanced flavor across hops/grain/yeast) and I'm hoping to get some feedback. 

I'm happy to reship in smaller containers if anything is broken.  For the curious:

UPS said they no longer mark packages as "Fragile" as it's all automated via barcodes and that it's gotta survive 5 foot drops across conveyor belts.  I have each bomber wrapped in plastic, then 0.5 to 1.5 inch of foam, and then two layers of cardboard.  It's a tight fit.  Five feet is a large drop though.

should be good....whats on the menu?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 07, 2015, 04:55:32 PM
Sounds awesome. Love that brewery.
Package is off. Now I'm heading home to have a pint of that Saison!
 Edit: here's what the GL Saison looks like....tastes fantastic!
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Love saisons. Can't wait, and for your Germans as well.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 07, 2015, 05:23:05 PM
Somewhere in Chicago, IL, there is a package out for delivery...
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 07, 2015, 05:33:44 PM
Awesome.

I need to box my selections up.  I'm a lazy man.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 07, 2015, 06:38:55 PM
Chicago to Baton Rouge is 2 days via FedEx Ground (make sure you don't send it as a residential address), so if you ship Monday, I'll get it next Wednesday, and can stick them in the fridge to drink when I get back from the Dixie Cup.  :)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 07, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
I'll get on this tonight, if the kids go to bed on time.

I even snatched up a good box from Binny's last week.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 07, 2015, 06:49:10 PM
MikeG, yours are boxed up, just need to get them out tonight or tomorrow. Tomorrow is likely to spend less time enroute over the weekend
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 07, 2015, 07:38:34 PM
should be good....whats on the menu?

It's a surprise.  It does includes a first pass at a Brown IPA; here's the OG/FG images:

(http://i.imgur.com/NEo0LNY.jpg)
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 07, 2015, 07:39:29 PM
MikeG, yours are boxed up, just need to get them out tonight or tomorrow. Tomorrow is likely to spend less time enroute over the weekend

I'm thrilled and cannot wait.  Thank you again.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 07, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
Just got home to find a box on my porch.  I was like "what the hell did I order this time?"

But, no, I did not order anything late one night from Amazon.  At least not this box.

I've got 5 bombers to check out.  I'm going to pick one and chill it and sample it while the Cubs battle the Pirates.  Perhaps the Way Heavy.

I'll be filling that box up and sending it back to Louisiana.

Thanks, Toby!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 07, 2015, 10:45:22 PM
Just got home to find a box on my porch.  I was like "what the hell did I order this time?"

But, no, I did not order anything late one night from Amazon.  At least not this box.

I've got 5 bombers to check out.  I'm going to pick one and chill it and sample it while the Cubs battle the Pirates.  Perhaps the Way Heavy.

I'll be filling that box up and sending it back to Louisiana.

Thanks, Toby!

And Toby is not only an award winning Brewer, he gives good feedback!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 07, 2015, 11:23:27 PM
Yeah.  I'm feeling more and more like a piker...

Perhaps I need to ship mine before I try his so I'm all in.  Otherwise, I'll be second guessing myself...

Just cracked a Bell's Old Ale, which mine is based off of.  It's soooo good.  Of course, it's also been aging in my cellar getting better.  Mine?  I'll reserve my critical analysis.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 07, 2015, 11:47:28 PM
Just got home to find a box on my porch.  I was like "what the hell did I order this time?"

But, no, I did not order anything late one night from Amazon.  At least not this box.

I've got 5 bombers to check out.  I'm going to pick one and chill it and sample it while the Cubs battle the Pirates.  Perhaps the Way Heavy.

I'll be filling that box up and sending it back to Louisiana.

Thanks, Toby!

Well, just my opinion, but I would probably do the Mosaic IPA first.  Uber fresh (just kegged on 9/25 and bottled on 10/4).  Save the Scotch ales to either celebrate a momentous victory or to soothe the pains of a long string of disappointments.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 08, 2015, 02:41:23 PM
Surfin.mikeg: your package is on the way, will pm with tracking info, as I forgot to on my last pm to you
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 08, 2015, 02:44:14 PM
Just got home to find a box on my porch.  I was like "what the hell did I order this time?"

But, no, I did not order anything late one night from Amazon.  At least not this box.

I've got 5 bombers to check out.  I'm going to pick one and chill it and sample it while the Cubs battle the Pirates.  Perhaps the Way Heavy.

I'll be filling that box up and sending it back to Louisiana.

Thanks, Toby!

And Toby is not only an award winning Brewer, he gives good feedback!
Yes, I was lucky to be the one to receive Toby's offerings last time around. All great stuff!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 08, 2015, 03:44:21 PM
Just received a big box from Ynotbrusum!  Five homebrews and eleven commercial beers (mostly 12 ounce bottles/cans).  Jackpot!
Thanks, Jerry
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 08, 2015, 07:36:32 PM
Jon- got notifier that 16# of olive oil was successfully delivered to your door at 3:33pm.   get your bread out and start dipping!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 08, 2015, 07:43:38 PM
Jon- got notifier that 16# of olive oil was successfully delivered to your door at 3:33pm.   get your bread out and start dipping!

I better buy a bakery then !  Wife just texted me - beer made it there intact. Awesome !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 08, 2015, 11:13:41 PM

Jon- got notifier that 16# of olive oil was successfully delivered to your door at 3:33pm.   get your bread out and start dipping!

I better buy a bakery then !  Wife just texted me - beer made it there intact. Awesome !

Box and packing should look familiar


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 08, 2015, 11:17:12 PM

Jon- got notifier that 16# of olive oil was successfully delivered to your door at 3:33pm.   get your bread out and start dipping!

I better buy a bakery then !  Wife just texted me - beer made it there intact. Awesome !

Box and packing should look familiar


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Yeah, pretty familiar. Circle of life.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 09, 2015, 12:45:03 AM
Just received a big box from Ynotbrusum!  Five homebrews and eleven commercial beers (mostly 12 ounce bottles/cans).  Jackpot!
Thanks, Jerry

Back at ya Jeff - all intact - 8 homebrews and 4 really nice commercials.  Yea for Cigar City, Tampa Brewing and and Green Bench collaboration with Trinity - that last one looks pretty intriguing (almost as intriguing as the homebrews!)

Pic if it posts right:  https://www.flickr.com/gp/131183133@N07/V5z1B4

Can't wait to start the sampling after I get back in town Tuesday!

Man do I feel lucky!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 09, 2015, 12:55:11 AM
Just received a big box from Ynotbrusum!  Five homebrews and eleven commercial beers (mostly 12 ounce bottles/cans).  Jackpot!
Thanks, Jerry

Back at ya Jeff - all intact - 8 homebrews and 4 really nice commercials.  Yea for Cigar City, Tampa Brewing and and Green Bench collaboration with Trinity - that last one looks pretty intriguing (almost as intriguing as the homebrews!)

Pic if it posts right:  https://www.flickr.com/gp/131183133@N07/V5z1B4

Can't wait to start the sampling after I get back in town Tuesday!

Man do I feel lucky!
Well, you might not feel so lucky after a some of my less successful homebrews  ;).
Seven homebrews actually.  Some of the commercial brews I bought as growlers and carefully poured into bottles and recapped, so they look a lot like homebrews.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 09, 2015, 01:31:27 AM
Just received a big box from Ynotbrusum!  Five homebrews and eleven commercial beers (mostly 12 ounce bottles/cans).  Jackpot!
Thanks, Jerry

Back at ya Jeff - all intact - 8 homebrews and 4 really nice commercials.  Yea for Cigar City, Tampa Brewing and and Green Bench collaboration with Trinity - that last one looks pretty intriguing (almost as intriguing as the homebrews!)

Pic if it posts right:  https://www.flickr.com/gp/131183133@N07/V5z1B4

Can't wait to start the sampling after I get back in town Tuesday!

Man do I feel lucky!
Well, you might not feel so lucky after a some of my less successful homebrews  ;).
Seven homebrews actually.  Some of the commercial brews I bought as growlers and carefully poured into bottles and recapped, so they look a lot like homebrews.

Ah, I see.  No problems there - mine are not the best of my brews either, but what I had on hand.  That's why I sent a fair share of commercial brews to hopefully make up for it. (Or to cleanse your palate from the homebrews, if necessary.). Enjoy!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 09, 2015, 06:42:18 PM
UPS guy just dropped off a package today - my new pair of Irish Setters! Best hunting/hiking boot ever!

Even better, there was a second box marked all over with some Italian word that I think is pronounced Fra-jee-lay :) Inside the box were bottles of homebrew and some local selections from 3 Floyds and Taxman Brewing. Everything arrived in perfect condition. Looking forward to them. Thanks, Jon!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 09, 2015, 07:02:53 PM
UPS guy just dropped off a package today - my new pair of Irish Setters! Best hunting/hiking boot ever!

Even better, there was a second box marked all over with some Italian word that I think is pronounced Fra-jee-lay :) Inside the box were bottles of homebrew and some local selections from 3 Floyds and Taxman Brewing. Everything arrived in perfect condition. Looking forward to them. Thanks, Jon!

Good to hear it !  That's right - 'fra-jee-lay'. It's a major award.  ;D  Hope you enjoy.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 11, 2015, 11:13:21 PM
Ok, I guess I'll jump in first on the beer tastings. Last time I went through the whole scoring breakdown process (nothing wrong with that), but this time I'm not gonna do that. I just want to give impressions like we do in the 'Commercial Beer Review' thread.

Anyway, I was fortunate to get several homebrews from Ken (Wort-HOG) including these first two - a 'German Pale Ale' and a North German Pils. The German Pale Ale is as advertised- I get definite pilsner malt character in the nose, along with spicy German hop character which also has some slightly fruity, citrusy character. So I suspect that some newer German hops like Mandarina (with possibly Huell Melon ?) were used with possibly a traditional noble variety. The beer is perfectly clear, very pale orange, settles into a foam cap of two fingers that laces to the glass nicely. The hop bitterness and flavor are spot on for pale ale, body is medium/light,and there is a slight Caramunich/Caravienne character that, along with the pils flavor, gives a balance to the pleasant, fairly dry finish. I've liked the idea for a while to do a German pale ale or IPA and this is proof that it can work well. Excellent beer, Ken !

The second beer today was the North German Pils, which pours (as expected) a pale straw, perfectly clear, with beautiful thick foam of two fingers that sticks around and laces beautifully. Nose is of sweet, crackery pils malt and spicy/floral noble hops. Body is medium-light, with nice pleasant bitterness up front which carries over into pils malt flavor balanced by nice spicy hop flavor. Finish is appropriately dry, leaving you wanting the next sip. I love this beer and would fill up one of my liter mugs a few times from a keg of this. Awesome, well made beer, Ken !

He also sent a bomber of Great Lakes Brewing's saison, which I sampled yesterday - delicious beer. It is very delicately spiced with ginger and lemongrass, so subtle in fact that it takes a back seat to and serves to compliment the saison yeast character, which is fruity and slightly spicy. Nice beer.

As luck would have it, I have a few more of Ken's beers to eval. Can't wait !

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 11, 2015, 11:43:32 PM
Ok, I guess I'll jump in first on the beer tastings. Last time I went through the whole scoring breakdown process (nothing wrong with that), but this time I'm not gonna do that. I just want to give impressions like we do in the 'Commercial Beer Review' thread.

Anyway, I was fortunate to get several homebrews from Ken (Wort-HOG) including these first two - a 'German Pale Ale' and a North German Pils. The German Pale Ale is as advertised- I get definite pilsner malt character in the nose, along with spicy German hop character which also has some slightly fruity, citrusy character. So I suspect that some newer German hops like Mandarina (with possibly Huell Melon ?) were used with possibly a traditional noble variety. The beer is perfectly clear, very pale orange, settles into a foam cap of two fingers that laces to the glass nicely. The hop bitterness and flavor are spot on for pale ale, body is medium/light,and there is a slight Caramunich/Caravienne character that, along with the pils flavor, gives a balance to the pleasant, fairly dry finish. I've liked the idea for a while to do a German pale ale or IPA and this is proof that it can work well. Excellent beer, Ken !

The second beer today was the North German Pils, which pours (as expected) a pale straw, perfectly clear, with beautiful thick foam of two fingers that sticks around and laces beautifully. Nose is of sweet, crackery pils malt and spicy/floral noble hops. Body is medium-light, with nice pleasant bitterness up front which carries over into pils malt flavor balanced by nice spicy hop flavor. Finish is appropriately dry, leaving you wanting the next sip. I love this beer and would fill up one of my liter mugs a few times from a keg of this. Awesome, well made beer, Ken !

He also sent a bomber of Great Lakes Brewing's saison, which I sampled yesterday - delicious beer. It is very delicately spiced with ginger and lemongrass, so subtle in fact that it takes a back seat to and serves to compliment the saison yeast character, which is fruity and slightly spicy. Nice beer.

As luck would have it, I have a few more of Ken's beers to eval. Can't wait !

Thanks for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed Jon !

Edit- the pilsner is 92% Avangard pils malt, and 8% carapils. 40IBU of select spalt, hallertauer and magnum.
OG 1.052 F 1.008

the GPA was 85% Avangard vienna, 10% carared, 5% cara pils. 45IBU cascade, centennial, citra, amarillo and mandarina -all 15minute or less additions.
OG 1.048 FG 1.010
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 12, 2015, 11:44:21 PM
Wow, I swung and missed on the GPA's grist, Ken ! It was a tasty beer, regardless. I probably got most of the fruity character from the Citra.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 12, 2015, 11:59:57 PM

Wow, I swung and missed on the GPA's grist, Ken ! It was a tasty beer, regardless. I probably got most of the fruity character from the Citra.

Ha! That's the fun it getting a beer to taste with little to go on.

Something interesting and magical happened with this malt and hop combo, and all late and no bittering additions .


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 13, 2015, 12:01:00 AM
Generalized impressions on Jeffy's (Jeff Gladish's) Witbier, without specific regard to BJCP style or scoring:

Orangey-lemon citrus aroma big on the pour, with mild pepper and substantial coriander aromas on second whiff.

Gold with orange tint, cloudy, but with a thick, rich white foamy head - well carbonated - held up well and modest lacing

Sweet and orange zesty citrus flavor, combined with malt sweetness in the later palate and further spiciness in the aftertaste lending to a dry finish; hop bitterness evident, but not highly expressive in flavor - nicely balanced.

Effervescence in the mouthfeel is refreshing; slightly dry in the near aftertaste, but not harsh or astringent.

Overall, quite quaffable, good balance in Wheat to base malt; third to fourth sip brought out the citrus in terms of lingering into the aftertaste to cut back on the initial impression of dryness.

This was a fine beer, which led me to try to find what Jeff didn't like about it - was that an intentional mislead?  I call it a solid witbier.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 13, 2015, 12:05:06 AM

Wow, I swung and missed on the GPA's grist, Ken ! It was a tasty beer, regardless. I probably got most of the fruity character from the Citra.

Ha! That's the fun it getting a beer to taste with little to go on.

Something interesting and magical happened with this malt and hop combo, and all late and no bittering additions .


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Yeah, definitely a cool synergy. That hop combo is usually way more assertive than that. Just a really good beer.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 13, 2015, 12:11:02 AM


Wow, I swung and missed on the GPA's grist, Ken ! It was a tasty beer, regardless. I probably got most of the fruity character from the Citra.

Ha! That's the fun it getting a beer to taste with little to go on.

Something interesting and magical happened with this malt and hop combo, and all late and no bittering additions .


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Yeah, definitely a cool synergy. That hop combo is usually way more assertive than that. Just a really good beer.

Good news ....the rest of the beers are pretty easy to follow


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 13, 2015, 12:14:38 AM
Generalized impressions on Jeffy's (Jeff Gladish's) Witbier, without specific regard to BJCP style or scoring:

Orangey-lemon citrus aroma big on the pour, with mild pepper and substantial coriander aromas on second whiff.

Gold with orange tint, cloudy, but with a thick, rich white foamy head - well carbonated - held up well and modest lacing

Sweet and orange zesty citrus flavor, combined with malt sweetness in the later palate and further spiciness in the aftertaste lending to a dry finish; hop bitterness evident, but not highly expressive in flavor - nicely balanced.

Effervescence in the mouthfeel is refreshing; slightly dry in the near aftertaste, but not harsh or astringent.

Overall, quite quaffable, good balance in Wheaton base malt; third to fourth sip brought out the citrus in terms of lingering into the aftertaste to cut back on the initial impression of dryness.

This was a fine beer, which led me to try to find what Jeff didn't like about it - was that an intentional mislead?  I call it a solid witbier.
In my estimation it had a little scorched flavor from a mistake in the cereal decoction, but I have to admit that I am overly sensitive to that flavor and indeed was looking for it.  That and it was under attenuated when I bottled it.
Thanks for not trashing it on the forum!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 13, 2015, 12:25:33 AM


Wow, I swung and missed on the GPA's grist, Ken ! It was a tasty beer, regardless. I probably got most of the fruity character from the Citra.

Ha! That's the fun it getting a beer to taste with little to go on.

Something interesting and magical happened with this malt and hop combo, and all late and no bittering additions .


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Yeah, definitely a cool synergy. That hop combo is usually way more assertive than that. Just a really good beer.

Anything you'd try differently with this one Jon?


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 13, 2015, 12:34:31 AM


Wow, I swung and missed on the GPA's grist, Ken ! It was a tasty beer, regardless. I probably got most of the fruity character from the Citra.

Ha! That's the fun it getting a beer to taste with little to go on.

Something interesting and magical happened with this malt and hop combo, and all late and no bittering additions .


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Yeah, definitely a cool synergy. That hop combo is usually way more assertive than that. Just a really good beer.

Anything you'd try differently with this one Jon?


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I like the grist a lot. I may borrow that. Bitterness and flavor were great, as was the balance. Dryness was what I prefer. Maybe a bump in aroma, but it may have been perfect at tapping. In other words, nope !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 13, 2015, 12:35:57 AM



Wow, I swung and missed on the GPA's grist, Ken ! It was a tasty beer, regardless. I probably got most of the fruity character from the Citra.

Ha! That's the fun it getting a beer to taste with little to go on.

Something interesting and magical happened with this malt and hop combo, and all late and no bittering additions .


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Yeah, definitely a cool synergy. That hop combo is usually way more assertive than that. Just a really good beer.

Anything you'd try differently with this one Jon?


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I like the grist a lot. I may borrow that. Bitterness and flavor were great, as was the balance. Dryness was what I prefer. Maybe a bump in aroma, but it may have been perfect at tapping. In other words, nope !

Cool. Yeah you literally got a bottle filled right before the keg kicked, so hop aroma was diminished for sure...fresh is best!


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 13, 2015, 04:07:22 AM
I'm enjoying my first beer from Jon (Hoosierbrew). This was simply marked "IPA".

The beer is pale gold in color, and is crystal clear aside from some hop haze. The head is just a ring of white foam. Upon closer review, my glass is not as beer-clean as I would like, so the lack of head may be my fault. The aroma has citrus up front, followed by a big, dank cannabis note, as well as a hint of juniper in the background.

On the palate, I get fleeting notes of stonefruit and citrus, that quickly turns into a clinging, resinous hop character. Bittering is firm, but not harsh or abrasive. The fermentation character is clean, with no flaws, or any other notable yeast or ester character to speak of. The malt character is very low, and just lets the hops do their thing. There is also a hint of a gypsum/mineral water note. The finish is crisp and dry, As the hop resin starts to fade at the end you can pick out some fruit and pine notes that come back in, and maybe a low sulfur/onion note way in the back.

Carbonation was a bit low for this type of IPA. I think a bit more fizz would help boost the aroma a bit more, and might break up the strong resin punch a bit. But that's a minor quibble (and expected, Jon let me know that the carbonation wasn't fully dialed in yet, but he wanted to time his package so it wouldn't be sitting in a hot warehouse all weekend).

Overall, this is a damn nice IPA that I could easily drink in quantity. Great beer, Jon!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 13, 2015, 01:31:07 PM
Thanks, Eric. Never having shipped an IPA that far I wanted it to get it there during the week, to preserve the hop aromas as much as possible. But it definitely benefitted from a couple more days on CO2. Glad you liked it !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 13, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
Jon-

stats on remaining beers:

Munich Dunkel: WLP833. IBU 25. OG 1.053 FG 1.010
O'Fest: WLP833. IBU 26. OG 1.057  FG 1.012
RVP: WLP013. IBU 36. OG 1.065 FG 1.015
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 13, 2015, 02:00:32 PM
Jon-

stats on remaining beers:

Munich Dunkel: WLP833. IBU 25. OG 1.053 FG 1.010
O'Fest: WLP833. IBU 26. OG 1.057  FG 1.012
RVP: WLP013. IBU 36. OG 1.065 FG 1.015

Cool, thanks !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 14, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
Will get my beers out to ship on Monday. Haven't forgotten!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 14, 2015, 04:59:14 PM
Will get my beers out to ship on Monday. Haven't forgotten!
Matt, that's still my plan for yours.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 14, 2015, 08:03:18 PM
Just received this awesome assortment and wicked cool packaged beer from surfin.mikeg. ! Can't wait to dive in... Received thirsty knots triple reef ale, port jack porter-vanilla rye, close quarters porter- raspberry chocolate, knock down IPA-brown IPA, Sausalito Sunday sail- mermaid saison, five blast smash- aye matey.

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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 14, 2015, 10:02:54 PM
Just received this awesome assortment and wicked cool packaged beer from surfin.mikeg. ! Can't wait to dive in... Received thirsty knots triple reef ale, port jack porter-vanilla rye, close quarters porter- raspberry chocolate, knock down IPA-brown IPA, Sausalito Sunday sail- mermaid saison, five blast smash- aye matey.

Oh so great to see that they made it!!!  You got the prototype packaging; it's all done late-night and so my apologies for the many typos on the written notes.  No need to cold-crash.  Enjoy!  :-)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 14, 2015, 11:07:44 PM

Just received this awesome assortment and wicked cool packaged beer from surfin.mikeg. ! Can't wait to dive in... Received thirsty knots triple reef ale, port jack porter-vanilla rye, close quarters porter- raspberry chocolate, knock down IPA-brown IPA, Sausalito Sunday sail- mermaid saison, five blast smash- aye matey.

Oh so great to see that they made it!!!  You got the prototype packaging; it's all done late-night and so my apologies for the many typos on the written notes.  No need to cold-crash.  Enjoy!  :-)

Well packaged. And love the write up and the bottle dressing....you went all out my friend




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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 14, 2015, 11:35:27 PM
Mike G, tracking says as of 8am ish, your package was out for delivery. I know it's only 4:30 pm out there but I'm hoping you get them soon

Edit to add: now says it was delivered, here's hoping you got it
Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 14, 2015, 11:49:12 PM
First up is the Sausalito Sunday Sail-Mermaid Saison....

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to say the head is thick would be understatement. its a meringue. 3-4 fingers that hangs around forever before settling into the expected nice white lacing. color is golden yellow and hazy. the yeast dominates this beer, balance with the peppery and citrus hop aromas. light to medium body ; carbonation is appropriate for style, and the finish is dry but more bitter than usual for this style...as indicated by the brewer in his brew sheet- this looks to be intentional.

This is a really nice beer, without any perceivable flaws...kind of like a saison session IPA. I think this beer would be received well as is, but I'd be really interested to check it out with the bitterness toned down, as I would see this as a real refreshing quenching pint!

Nicely done (Mike??? surfin.mikeg)


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 15, 2015, 03:11:40 AM
I've been screwing around trying to decide what to send and also messing with a keg that wouldn't pour (changed out the poppet tonight, and voila!).  Not going to wait for that keg to settle down so I can bottle.  To borrow a phrase, I'm going to cut the shuck and jive and get on with it.

Toby, coming your way will be my imperial stout, coffee stout (12 oz), O-fest, and old ale.  Plus a couple cans of Revolution Anti-Hero and a tall boy of Pipeworks Ninja vs. Unicorn.  I can fit anything else in the box, so that's all folks!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 15, 2015, 04:41:55 AM
First up is the Sausalito Sunday Sail-Mermaid Saison....

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to say the head is thick would be understatement. its a meringue. 3-4 fingers that hangs around forever before settling into the expected nice white lacing.


Hey Ken, I really appreciate the feedback, thank you.  It's rare that I get that detailed feedback & am reading it out loud.  Awesome.

To be honest, it should not have such a huge head on it.  Kinda wondering if the 7 day travel via UPS had a little warmth to it and finished the conditioning?  I targeted right around 2.2 volumes of CO2 on everything.  My temps are right around 65 degrees on all fermenting.


Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 15, 2015, 04:50:49 AM
Mike G, tracking says as of 8am ish, your package was out for delivery. I know it's only 4:30 pm out there but I'm hoping you get them soon

Edit to add: now says it was delivered, here's hoping you got it

Hey Frank, I'm thrilled at what I received:

(http://i.imgur.com/WSGICjO.jpg)

It's:

Two German Pils, one fermented with WLP830 and the other with WLP833.  I'm excited to try these as I'm yet to step up and brew a Pilsner (the water, in particular), and here's a chance to taste and compare two really unique yeasts.

A Saison with a blend of 3711&3724.  Nice.

A BCS Märzen with WLP830.  I gotta ask:  what does BCS stand for?

An all Base Märzen: Pils, Munich II, and Vienna with WLP830.  I'm happy to receive these as I don't know the Märzen style.  Very different for me.

And then two local beers from Mad Tree Brewing:  PsycHopathy and the 10.2% Galaxy High.  These are going to work with me; can't wait to share.

Thank you again Frank.  I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 15, 2015, 04:55:40 AM
For Ken and Frank - today Russian River made a delivery of fresh Pliny the Elder around town.  Going to send you one each.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 15, 2015, 05:06:27 AM
A BCS Märzen with WLP830.  I gotta ask:  what does BCS stand for?
I would assume it means "Brewing Classic Styles"
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 15, 2015, 11:21:35 AM
Yes it is brewing classic  styles and thanks in advance for my first Pliny!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 15, 2015, 11:24:52 AM
Yes it is brewing classic  styles and thanks in advance for my first Pliny!
  same here-never a pliny been had!

we scored Frank
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 15, 2015, 11:43:46 AM
And Mike, it's really not the widest variety, but it's what was on hand and (almost) ready. The BCS marzen was a huge hit with friends last year and the other version is experimental so who knows. Enjoy

Edit: keep in mind the 2 marzen need some bottle conditioning at room temp before you try them. Just bottled them last Monday. Might be close, but give then a week or so
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 18, 2015, 05:59:06 PM
My wife and I got back from a week of touring Maine and I now have time to sample some of Jerry Hodge's (Ynotbrusum) samples.  I have been enjoying the commercial beers he sent - Half Acre Gone Away IPA is a pale colored grapefruit-hop-accented beer with a nice Pilsner malt-like background.
For the homebrews, first up is the Ordinary Bitter:
This twelve ounce bottle was filled all the way to the cap.  Golden-orange color with a slight haze and a small, but even white foam stand.  Aroma has a low earthy, kinda spicy hop, I'm thinking EKG, but I am just guessing.  It has a medium level biscuit-like malt aroma.  Hops and malt are well balanced.
Flavor is also well balanced malt to hops and slightly fruity (pears, maybe?) with the malt coming through more bread crusty than biscuity.  Almost none of the sweet caramel flavors you find in a lot of homebrews of this style.
Carbonation is good, a bit high for a bitter but not distracting.  The body is not at all thin and watery - it shows very good mouthfeel for a "small" beer.
I would be happy to have a keg of this beer.  It is well balanced, enjoyable and sessionable.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 19, 2015, 02:23:27 PM
I enjoyed the stout I received from HoosierBrew while I watched the Patriots beat the Colts, who were hampered with some bad Luck (see what I did there :) )

The beer was deep mahogany-black with some ruby highlights, and topped with a solid 2 fingers of coffe-hued, creamy head that stuck around for a good long while. The nose was dominated by roast and coffee notes, with a hint of biscuity malt in the background.

The palate held more of the same - espresso and unsweetened chocolate notes. There was a lingering roasted-grain bitterness that was firm, but smooth. There were no acrid or harsh flavors to be found. The mouthfeel was creamy, but not heavy. The finish saw the roasted character fade and revealed some grainy/cereal notes.

I've been drinking a lot of cold brewed coffee lately, and this stout reminds me of when you get a cup that is spot-on. There's plenty of roast and bitterness to keep you interested, but it's still refreshing and leaves you ready for the next sip.

Thanks for sharing your beers, Jon! They were excellent.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 19, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
I enjoyed the stout I received from HoosierBrew while I watched the Patriots beat the Colts, who were hampered with some bad Luck (see what I did there :) )

The beer was deep mahogany-black with some ruby highlights, and topped with a solid 2 fingers of coffe-hued, creamy head that stuck around for a good long while. The nose was dominated by roast and coffee notes, with a hint of biscuity malt in the background.

The palate held more of the same - espresso and unsweetened chocolate notes. There was a lingering roasted-grain bitterness that was firm, but smooth. There were no acrid or harsh flavors to be found. The mouthfeel was creamy, but not heavy. The finish saw the roasted character fade and revealed some grainy/cereal notes.

I've been drinking a lot of cold brewed coffee lately, and this stout reminds me of when you get a cup that is spot-on. There's plenty of roast and bitterness to keep you interested, but it's still refreshing and leaves you ready for the next sip.

Thanks for sharing your beers, Jon! They were excellent.

Thanks Eric, glad you liked it ! Still scratching my head from that mind-numbingly bad fake punt. Horrendous. Nothing like being your own worst enemy.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 19, 2015, 03:40:25 PM
Heavydeadlifts,

Will PM with the shipping information later...

Bottles of Real Ale RIS, Jester King Noble King and Das Wunderkind.

Homebrews: Belgian Golden Strong Braggot, Imperial Rye Saison and my last Quad.

Frankly, nearly pulled the quad out this morning - it got hammered at Dixie Cup. It will probably be a lot better in 6 months - but it's there in all it's raisony/figgy phenolic glory. I got to serve the braggot to Michael Fairbrother who enjoyed it - but wanted more honey character to push through the spicy phenols. The saison didn't medal, but scored very well.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 19, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
Here's my notes from sampling some of Toby's selections over the last week.

Mosaic IPA

This beer was very tasty.  I enjoyed it last week while making dinner for the kids.

It poured slightly hazy, with a big head which dissipated quickly to a smallish head which left some nice lacing on the glass.  Big citrus aroma, and a lingering hop bitterness.  I thought it was well balanced.  I got malt first, followed by an assertive hoppiness.  There was more malt flavor as it warmed.  High carbonation and a light body.  I could drink a couple of these.  My wife was not as big of a fan.  Too bitter, and I don’t think she liked the mosaic hops.

Bayou Teche 31 Memorial Milk Stout

This beer poured a nice opaque black with a brown head.  The head dropped quickly.  Sipping this beer made me realize two things, initially.  1) My glasses (thanks to a recent detergent change) are not beer clean and that’s why the head keeps falling; and 2) my beer fridge is too cold (I think the internal temp control does nothing).  At first, everything was about roast malts with this stout.  The nose and flavor were all roast.  As it warmed, more of the lactose sweetness was apparent.  This stout had a light body and a tanginess in the flavor which reminded me of Nottingham yeast.  I drank this with some pulled pork and smoked chuck roast sandwiches.  It complemented the BBQ very well.  My wife also enjoyed this beer.  More so as it warmed up.

Wee Heavy

I drank this one on Saturday night whilst watching the Cubs battle the hated Mets.  And also cooking dinner for the kids.

This beer pours a beautiful clear dark amber with a nice beige long-lasting head.  The nose is all malt with some alcohol notes.  When I took my first sip, I was wowed.  Delicious.  I got a lot of caramel and dark fruit flavors, followed by alcohol warmth which lingered.  This beer has full flavor and a comparatively light body.  There is so much going on here in the flavors that I strive for (and miss) with some of my beers.  It reminded me a bit of North Coast Old Stock Ale.  Do you do a long boil?  Pull some wort and reduce it?  I need to know.

I begrudgingly saved the last pour for my wife.  She was equally impressed. 
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 19, 2015, 04:08:31 PM
So now we need a full detailed Wee Toby lesson
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 19, 2015, 04:56:23 PM
Mosaic IPA

This beer was very tasty.  I enjoyed it last week while making dinner for the kids.

It poured slightly hazy, with a big head which dissipated quickly to a smallish head which left some nice lacing on the glass.  Big citrus aroma, and a lingering hop bitterness.  I thought it was well balanced.  I got malt first, followed by an assertive hoppiness.  There was more malt flavor as it warmed.  High carbonation and a light body.  I could drink a couple of these.  My wife was not as big of a fan.  Too bitter, and I don’t think she liked the mosaic hops.

Shared the last bomber of this with Matt and a few others Friday night.  I need to make more.

Quote
Wee Heavy

I drank this one on Saturday night whilst watching the Cubs battle the hated Mets.  And also cooking dinner for the kids.

This beer pours a beautiful clear dark amber with a nice beige long-lasting head.  The nose is all malt with some alcohol notes.  When I took my first sip, I was wowed.  Delicious.  I got a lot of caramel and dark fruit flavors, followed by alcohol warmth which lingered.  This beer has full flavor and a comparatively light body.  There is so much going on here in the flavors that I strive for (and miss) with some of my beers.  It reminded me a bit of North Coast Old Stock Ale.  Do you do a long boil?  Pull some wort and reduce it?  I need to know.

I begrudgingly saved the last pour for my wife.  She was equally impressed.

Funny enough, we were drinking a bomber of that one Saturday too.

I do a 120 minute boil.  It's basically a barleywine style mash.  ~149F for 120 minutes to get a highly fermentable wort to make sure it attenuates and doesn't finish too sweet.  Pitch a healthy starter (about 2.5L for 10 gallons) at high krauesen.

Rough recipe numbers are:
87.1% 2-row
8.6% C10
2.5% Carafoam
1.8% Roasted Barley
~28 IBUs EKG FWH

OG: 1.105
FG: 1.018

I can message you the recipe, or if you use BeerSmith, send me your email and I'll send you the BeerSmith file.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 19, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
THAT barleywine... I blame it for the blackout Sunday night... and the meads... mostly the barleywine.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 19, 2015, 06:01:17 PM
That's what I call a quality Way Heavy then.  If it can cause a blackout 24 hours later, it must be good.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 19, 2015, 06:52:16 PM
Mosaic IPA

This beer was very tasty.  I enjoyed it last week while making dinner for the kids.

It poured slightly hazy, with a big head which dissipated quickly to a smallish head which left some nice lacing on the glass.  Big citrus aroma, and a lingering hop bitterness.  I thought it was well balanced.  I got malt first, followed by an assertive hoppiness.  There was more malt flavor as it warmed.  High carbonation and a light body.  I could drink a couple of these.  My wife was not as big of a fan.  Too bitter, and I don’t think she liked the mosaic hops.

Shared the last bomber of this with Matt and a few others Friday night.  I need to make more.

Quote
Wee Heavy

I drank this one on Saturday night whilst watching the Cubs battle the hated Mets.  And also cooking dinner for the kids.

This beer pours a beautiful clear dark amber with a nice beige long-lasting head.  The nose is all malt with some alcohol notes.  When I took my first sip, I was wowed.  Delicious.  I got a lot of caramel and dark fruit flavors, followed by alcohol warmth which lingered.  This beer has full flavor and a comparatively light body.  There is so much going on here in the flavors that I strive for (and miss) with some of my beers.  It reminded me a bit of North Coast Old Stock Ale.  Do you do a long boil?  Pull some wort and reduce it?  I need to know.

I begrudgingly saved the last pour for my wife.  She was equally impressed.

Funny enough, we were drinking a bomber of that one Saturday too.

I do a 120 minute boil.  It's basically a barleywine style mash.  ~149F for 120 minutes to get a highly fermentable wort to make sure it attenuates and doesn't finish too sweet.  Pitch a healthy starter (about 2.5L for 10 gallons) at high krauesen.

Rough recipe numbers are:
87.1% 2-row
8.6% C10
2.5% Carafoam
1.8% Roasted Barley
~28 IBUs EKG FWH

OG: 1.105
FG: 1.018

I can message you the recipe, or if you use BeerSmith, send me your email and I'll send you the BeerSmith file.
Proprietary yeast?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 19, 2015, 07:46:02 PM
Proprietary yeast?

I refer to it as '1728' or '028' depending on which is handy.  Also, another secret is to use a malt well known for it's flavor profile.  It rhymes with geese.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 19, 2015, 11:17:12 PM
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If it can cause a blackout 24 hours later, it must be good.

I did pass out Sunday night as well... but see? I don't remember half of the awards ceremony.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 19, 2015, 11:26:28 PM
Proprietary yeast?

I refer to it as '1728' or '028' depending on which is handy.  Also, another secret is to use a malt well known for it's flavor profile.  It rhymes with geese.  ;)
Im familiar with 1728. Probably to the point that if I did a lambic it would turn out more like a gaelic

Rymes with geese... hopefully that inludes Golden Promeese
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 20, 2015, 12:51:31 AM
Here's my first attempt at really evaluating a beer, been drinking them for 30 years but never got much further than "I like it" or "I dont like it"

I received from AmandaK(B) and the first beer I tried was her American Wild Stout. Here are my thoughts in no specific order, just thoughts that came to me as I went through the glass:

Amanda’s American Wild Stout:

Flavors of Molasses, Currants, mixed berries (Not a big fruit eater, so can’t be more specific)
Slight coffee notes, Great funky, sour taste, but no bretty barnyard flavors; bretty cherry pie?
Deep, dark, black colors, opaque with maybe a hint of red at the edges
Light carbonation, good 1 finger head falling to just a ring (my glasses?) Little to no lacing (again, my glasses?) but head does cling to glass above beer and slowly subsides after each sip. Tiny carbonation bubbles persist throughout the glass
Head has a nice beige to brown color
medium mouthfeel, dry but not overly so
Aroma: sour even in the nose upon first pour, No hop aroma or flavor to my senses, maybe a faint banana ester
Semi-strong alcohol warmth and flavor on the back end

I really did enjoy this beer, and Amanda says it has won many awards, hopefully my assessment is not too far off base, but I would not be surprised to find that my untrained palate and evaluation skills were just not up to the task. Thank you very much Amanda, I will get back as I try more of your beers
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 20, 2015, 12:56:43 AM
Nice.
I am enjoying another commercial beer from Ynotbrusum.  This one is Satin Solitude, an Imperial Stout from Central Waters, Wisconsin.  Mmmmmm.  Thanks, Jerry.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 20, 2015, 01:31:30 AM
Here's my first attempt at really evaluating a beer, been drinking them for 30 years but never got much further than "I like it" or "I dont like it"

I received from AmandaK(B) and the first beer I tried was her American Wild Stout. Here are my thoughts in no specific order, just thoughts that came to me as I went through the glass:

Amanda’s American Wild Stout:

Flavors of Molasses, Currants, mixed berries (Not a big fruit eater, so can’t be more specific)
Slight coffee notes, Great funky, sour taste, but no bretty barnyard flavors; bretty cherry pie?
Deep, dark, black colors, opaque with maybe a hint of red at the edges
Light carbonation, good 1 finger head falling to just a ring (my glasses?) Little to no lacing (again, my glasses?) but head does cling to glass above beer and slowly subsides after each sip. Tiny carbonation bubbles persist throughout the glass
Head has a nice beige to brown color
medium mouthfeel, dry but not overly so
Aroma: sour even in the nose upon first pour, No hop aroma or flavor to my senses, maybe a faint banana ester
Semi-strong alcohol warmth and flavor on the back end

I really did enjoy this beer, and Amanda says it has won many awards, hopefully my assessment is not too far off base, but I would not be surprised to find that my untrained palate and evaluation skills were just not up to the task. Thank you very much Amanda, I will get back as I try more of your beers
Good job! I could imagine the beer. I like the funkiness comments because I do not subscribe to the "must be like a donkey" club, any more than I believe corona is supposed to be skunk butt. Its good to hear that a non horse blanket sour won medals.


Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 20, 2015, 01:33:22 AM
Thanks Jim. This is the kind of practice I can appreciate: drinking and evaluating beer!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 20, 2015, 02:45:26 PM
Proprietary yeast?

I refer to it as '1728' or '028' depending on which is handy.  Also, another secret is to use a malt well known for it's flavor profile.  It rhymes with geese.  ;)
Im familiar with 1728. Probably to the point that if I did a lambic it would turn out more like a gaelic

Rymes with geese... hopefully that inludes Golden Promeese

Nope.  I always laugh when people bag on Briess malt.  That's why I dug the BrewUnited concept where people were saying "you can't make X with those malts".  That reminds me, I need to crack the bottles of a couple of my entries tonight to see how they're going.  I can't crack a bottle of the Scotch because that one got completely consumed (except for the 3 bottles for the entry) for a beer fest.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on October 20, 2015, 04:43:52 PM
Proprietary yeast?

I refer to it as '1728' or '028' depending on which is handy.  Also, another secret is to use a malt well known for it's flavor profile.  It rhymes with geese.  ;)
Im familiar with 1728. Probably to the point that if I did a lambic it would turn out more like a gaelic

Rymes with geese... hopefully that inludes Golden Promeese

Nope.  I always laugh when people bag on Briess malt.  That's why I dug the BrewUnited concept where people were saying "you can't make X with those malts".  That reminds me, I need to crack the bottles of a couple of my entries tonight to see how they're going.  I can't crack a bottle of the Scotch because that one got completely consumed (except for the 3 bottles for the entry) for a beer fest.

I'll be interested to hear your BU wee heavy recipe. I entered one as well and it was really fantastic. Those malts are surprisingly good for the style.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 20, 2015, 05:52:47 PM
I'll be interested to hear your BU wee heavy recipe. I entered one as well and it was really fantastic. Those malts are surprisingly good for the style.

Percentages were pretty close to what I stated for my standard with the exception of a few tweaks:
~85.7% Best Malz Pils (my favorite pils malt since it's highly modified and easy/predictable to work with)
~8.3% Munich 10L
~2.4% Flaked Wheat
~1.8% C60
~1.8% Self-roasted Best Malz Pils (roasted on a pan on my grill outside for 30 minutes at 350-400F, turning every 10 minutes)

Went a little higher in the IBUs (~35 with Northdown/Challenger combo) since I wasn't confident my attempt at self-roasted barley would provide quite the same balance as real roasted barley.  I was pretty pleased with it, though.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/reverendtoby/Brasserie%20L-Etrange/11913249_10153350543984843_5245511988908257003_n_zpsd0wcrlvf.jpg) (http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/reverendtoby/media/Brasserie%20L-Etrange/11913249_10153350543984843_5245511988908257003_n_zpsd0wcrlvf.jpg.html)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/reverendtoby/Brasserie%20L-Etrange/11244570_10153350612614843_3682494580848362445_n_zpsnzcq4bw3.jpg) (http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/reverendtoby/media/Brasserie%20L-Etrange/11244570_10153350612614843_3682494580848362445_n_zpsnzcq4bw3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 20, 2015, 06:12:55 PM
Nice.
I am enjoying another commercial beer from Ynotbrusum.  This one is Satin Solitude, an Imperial Stout from Central Waters, Wisconsin.  Mmmmmm.  Thanks, Jerry.

Glad you like it Jeff.  I will be getting back to your beers, possibly starting tonight.  Can you believe I have been too busy to have many beers the last week or so?  I'm not talking about brewing, just drinking.  Nothing scheduled tonight after work, except for taking out the trash, so I just might enjoy a couple three of yours!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 21, 2015, 01:22:26 AM
Had to get back to commenting on this next one from Jeff:

 It is a blended sour  and here are my impressions:

 A wonderful Sweetish-sour aroma at the cap removal,  poured into a dark, ruby-garnet-noted, deep mahogany color; The next whiff overwhelms the nose with bursts of deep fig and raisin, as the head dissipates to a light brown tight bead fading to the edge of the glass.

First sip brings a strong, bright sour note with the lightest of funky Brett-like overtones; lactic bite lingers with a touch of  creaminess in the corner of the mouth as an aftertaste. Very late palate leaves a mouth coating of tartness – and the slightest hint of oxidation (but not unexpectedly nor out of place).

 This is a complex, dark sour that is labeled as blended – indeed the level of complexity in the aroma and flavor bear witness that it could not be matched by a single batch sour ale.

Another well done example from the Tampa braumeister.  I clearly got the best end of this deal.....
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 21, 2015, 12:27:49 PM
Had to get back to commenting on this next one from Jeff:

 It is a blended sour  and here are my impressions:

 A wonderful Sweetish-sour aroma at the cap removal,  poured into a dark, ruby-garnet-noted, deep mahogany color; The next whiff overwhelms the nose with bursts of deep fig and raisin, as the head dissipates to a light brown tight bead fading to the edge of the glass.

First sip brings a strong, bright sour note with the lightest of funky Brett-like overtones; lactic bite lingers with a touch of  creaminess in the corner of the mouth as an aftertaste. Very late palate leaves a mouth coating of tartness – and the slightest hint of oxidation (but not unexpectedly nor out of place).

 This is a complex, dark sour that is labeled as blended – indeed the level of complexity in the aroma and flavor bear witness that it could not be matched by a single batch sour ale.

Another well done example from the Tampa braumeister.  I clearly got the best end of this deal.....
Thanks.  I'm glad you liked it.  I had entered the two beers separately in a sours competition and they both scored in the lower 20's so I wasn't very confident in it.  The majority of the blend, about 75%, is from a solara project that's been aging for about 5 years.  The other part is from a Brett C batch, also very old, but it was showing a bit too much acetic, vinegar flavor for me and was extremely sour.  I kind of liked the way the blend turned out.  I may mix up some more and carb it up.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 21, 2015, 01:42:23 PM
Had to get back to commenting on this next one from Jeff:

 It is a blended sour  and here are my impressions:

 A wonderful Sweetish-sour aroma at the cap removal,  poured into a dark, ruby-garnet-noted, deep mahogany color; The next whiff overwhelms the nose with bursts of deep fig and raisin, as the head dissipates to a light brown tight bead fading to the edge of the glass.

First sip brings a strong, bright sour note with the lightest of funky Brett-like overtones; lactic bite lingers with a touch of  creaminess in the corner of the mouth as an aftertaste. Very late palate leaves a mouth coating of tartness – and the slightest hint of oxidation (but not unexpectedly nor out of place).

 This is a complex, dark sour that is labeled as blended – indeed the level of complexity in the aroma and flavor bear witness that it could not be matched by a single batch sour ale.

Another well done example from the Tampa braumeister.  I clearly got the best end of this deal.....
Thanks.  I'm glad you liked it.  I had entered the two beers separately in a sours competition and they both scored in the lower 20's so I wasn't very confident in it.  The majority of the blend, about 75%, is from a solara project that's been aging for about 5 years.  The other part is from a Brett C batch, also very old, but it was showing a bit too much acetic, vinegar flavor for me and was extremely sour.  I kind of liked the way the blend turned out.  I may mix up some more and carb it up.

My taste for sours runs on the lower pH range - too sour for some,but it is all about the overall impression with these beers in my opinion.  I enjoyed it - you might find my sours to be a bit overwhelming (my Berliner is 2.9 pH - great with a raspberry syrup, though!)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 22, 2015, 07:17:02 PM
A very generous and interesting assortment just arrived all the way from RI! Thanks Eric (erockrph) I am chilling them now. Going to give them a day or two to recuperate,  then take my sweet time.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/359575e2eb6c4c8bd160fa594397253d.jpg)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 22, 2015, 07:23:55 PM
A very generous and interesting assortment just arrived all the way from RI! Thanks Eric (erockrph) I am chilling them now. Going to give them a day or two to recuperate,  then take my sweet time.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/359575e2eb6c4c8bd160fa594397253d.jpg)

I recognize the Jack's Abbey and 2 Roads. I recently had the two roads and liked it. Jack's Abbey is a lager only brewery.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 22, 2015, 10:09:56 PM
Who is a happy swapper now? Thanks Mike G
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/4ab8ee1b696466a3ae648a953dccd51c.jpg)
And a home brew as well!
Edit to correct happy typo
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 22, 2015, 10:11:16 PM
Score! Nice.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 22, 2015, 10:26:01 PM
I've donated Pliny at local auctions where it went for $100 a bottle.

Crazy.

But, I'm also the guy who dropped a hundred to get some Dark Lord and two other barrel aged 3 Floyds beers.  I have no idea what the other two are.  One was a collaboration with the Bruery.  Didn't care for it.  The DL and whatever else are cellared.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 22, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Who is a happy swapper now? Thanks Mike G
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/4ab8ee1b696466a3ae648a953dccd51c.jpg)
And a home brew as well!
Edit to correct happy typo

Scored mine also- super excited for my first Pliny ....thanks Mike!
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 22, 2015, 10:55:07 PM
Mikes  five blast smash with wlp575 Belgian blend....comments pending.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/46760b5a98aedef85a45e4c6037715d8.jpg)

 great 2 finger head that dissipates in about 5 minutes to foam cap and nice lacing. light yellow hazy, with mostly citrus with slight floral aroma. first taste is all about the yeast....Belgian traits dominate as expected. light body,citrus up front with excellent dry crisp and appropriate bitterness in the finish.  this is a super easy drinking beer. quenches thirst and begs to be continuously sipped. great Job Mike- this is a crowd favorite beer for sure.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 22, 2015, 11:17:04 PM
Nice Ken
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 22, 2015, 11:17:36 PM
Surfin.mikeg ROCKS!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 22, 2015, 11:32:55 PM
And Mike, here's a pic of the all base Marzen. Pilsner, Munich II, and Vienna. A little light, but that was the point. Very reminiscent of spate ofest, just a little drier and a little lighter in color. This is the first bottle, all carbed up but really has not been lagered at all. The rest will go into the chest freezer this weekend for a bit
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 23, 2015, 01:01:01 AM
A very generous and interesting assortment just arrived all the way from RI! Thanks Eric (erockrph) I am chilling them now. Going to give them a day or two to recuperate,  then take my sweet time.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/359575e2eb6c4c8bd160fa594397253d.jpg)
Glad you got them in good shape. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 23, 2015, 02:08:25 AM
Who is a happy swapper now? Thanks Mike G
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/4ab8ee1b696466a3ae648a953dccd51c.jpg)
And a home brew as well!

Scored mine also- super excited for my first Pliny ....thanks Mike!
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/afe6c858326188dac632f6fb5810a460.jpg)


Seeing you guys excited - that's awesome right there.    :-)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 23, 2015, 02:16:16 AM
By the way Ken, your kitchen seems scarily similar:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/6ba816a9c32591dd03806af8894a376b.jpg)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 23, 2015, 02:19:04 AM
Mikes  five blast smash with wlp575 Belgian blend....comments pending.

 great 2 finger head that dissipates in about 5 minutes to foam cap and nice lacing. light yellow hazy, with mostly citrus with slight floral aroma. first taste is all about the yeast....Belgian traits dominate as expected. light body,citrus up front with excellent dry crisp and appropriate bitterness in the finish.  this is a super easy drinking beer. quenches thirst and begs to be continuously sipped. great Job Mike- this is a crowd favorite beer for sure.

Ken, I really appreciate the feedback, thank you.  In terms of homebrewing, this is my most simple beer, it let's me know if I'm on target in process and recipe construction.  In particular it's the influence of this forum to get the water chemistry right (tip of the hat to Martin B.).

Frank, I sent this to you as well.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 23, 2015, 02:20:40 AM
Sounds great, hopefully soon to be consumed, still have 5 more from AmandaK too
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 23, 2015, 10:22:43 AM
By the way Ken, your kitchen seems scarily similar:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/6ba816a9c32591dd03806af8894a376b.jpg)

sure does!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 23, 2015, 10:24:19 AM
Mikes  five blast smash with wlp575 Belgian blend....comments pending.

 great 2 finger head that dissipates in about 5 minutes to foam cap and nice lacing. light yellow hazy, with mostly citrus with slight floral aroma. first taste is all about the yeast....Belgian traits dominate as expected. light body,citrus up front with excellent dry crisp and appropriate bitterness in the finish.  this is a super easy drinking beer. quenches thirst and begs to be continuously sipped. great Job Mike- this is a crowd favorite beer for sure.

Ken, I really appreciate the feedback, thank you.  In terms of homebrewing, this is my most simple beer, it let's me know if I'm on target in process and recipe construction.  In particular it's the influence of this forum to get the water chemistry right (tip of the hat to Martin B.).

Frank, I sent this to you as well.

solid beer process wise for sure...no issues at all and really is enjoyable.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 23, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Ok, more excellent beer from Wort-HOG to review. First of the night is his O-Fest. It pours an absolutely crystal clear deep orange/amber. Gorgeous color. Foam is thick, holding a solid two fingers for 5 minutes, then falls to a persistent one finger. Aroma is malty, toasty, bready. Flavor follows the aroma perfectly, and body is a well attenuated medium/light. Caramunich/caravienne character is minimal if at all (read: zero cloying sweetness). The malt character of this beer reminds me of SN's new Oktoberfest, minus the hop character which pushed the envelope for the style (though I loved it). This is just a great Ofest, the kind you want to crush liters of. Really well done, Ken. Thanks ! More to come.......
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 23, 2015, 10:33:44 PM

Ok, more excellent beer from Wort-HOG to review. First of the night is his O-Fest. It pours an absolutely crystal clear deep orange/amber. Gorgeous color. Foam is thick, holding a solid two fingers for 5 minutes, then falls to a persistent one finger. Aroma is malty, toasty, bready. Flavor follows the aroma perfectly, and body is a well attenuated medium/light. Caramunich/caravienne character is minimal if at all (read: zero cloying sweetness). The malt character of this beer reminds me of SN's new Oktoberfest, minus the hop character which pushed the envelope for the style (though I loved it). This is just a great Ofest, the kind you want to crush liters of. Really well done, Ken. Thanks ! More to come.......
Thanks Jon. Thought you might like it as I thought the same as you regarding SN....less hop bite but great malt backbone.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 23, 2015, 10:35:35 PM
Who is a happy swapper now? Thanks Mike G
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/4ab8ee1b696466a3ae648a953dccd51c.jpg)
And a home brew as well!

Scored mine also- super excited for my first Pliny ....thanks Mike!
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/afe6c858326188dac632f6fb5810a460.jpg)


Seeing you guys excited - that's awesome right there.    :-)
Enjoying my first ever Pliny Mike. Man this puppy is smooth, and has the longest lasting thick foamy head I've ever seen on DIPA.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/23/bd88a62bd2304acafe690eab34e4bd5b.jpg)


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 23, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
Thanks Jon. Thought you might like it as I thought the same as you regarding SN....less hop bite but great malt backbone.

Yeah, you nailed it. Real similar to the SN in malt character. Dangerous stuff !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 23, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
Think I'll be having mine tomorrow night. Taking the kids out to haunted houses tonight
Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 23, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
Thanks Jon. Thought you might like it as I thought the same as you regarding SN....less hop bite but great malt backbone.

Yeah, you nailed it. Real similar to the SN in malt character. Dangerous stuff !

that was wlp833... 46% Vienna, 33% avangard munich light, 8.5% avangard munich dark, 8.5% weyermann carahell,4% weyermann carared. 26IBU 5.9%ABV.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 23, 2015, 11:07:12 PM
Thanks Ken, I'll be brewing it !


   Next is Ken's Munich Dunkel. It pours a crystal clear deep amber/red, with slight tinges of brown. As before, nice thick foam with two fingers that settles into one finger. Aroma is malty rich, with notes of toasted bread. Flavor is wonderful, a balance of rich malt and toastiness that nonetheless finshes dry and leaves you wanting more. I love this beer -  I could make a keg disappear pretty quickly. Ken, you have a handle on the German lagers. Great beer ! Thanks.
Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 23, 2015, 11:17:55 PM
Thanks Ken, I'll be brewing it !


   Next is Ken's Munich Dunkel. It pours a crystal clear deep amber/red, with slight tinges of brown. As before, nice thick foam with two fingers that settles into one finger. Aroma is malty rich, with notes of toasted bread. Flavor is wonderful, a balance of rich malt and toastiness that nonetheless finshes dry and leaves you wanting more. I love this beer -  I could make a keg disappear pretty quickly. Ken, you have a handle on the German lagers. Great beer ! Thanks.

Awesome , so glad you enjoyed.  Wlp833... 76% dark Munich,, 17% light Munich, 6%carapils., 1% carafa II 25IBU 5.5% ABV. key for me on this style is finish dry...1.010


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 23, 2015, 11:19:47 PM

Thanks Ken, I'll be brewing it !


   Next is Ken's Munich Dunkel. It pours a crystal clear deep amber/red, with slight tinges of brown. As before, nice thick foam with two fingers that settles into one finger. Aroma is malty rich, with notes of toasted bread. Flavor is wonderful, a balance of rich malt and toastiness that nonetheless finshes dry and leaves you wanting more. I love this beer -  I could make a keg disappear pretty quickly. Ken, you have a handle on the German lagers. Great beer ! Thanks.

Awesome , so glad you enjoyed.  Wlp833... 76% dark Munich,, 17% light Munich, 7% carapils. 25IBU 5.5% ABV. key for me on this style is finish dry...1.010


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Yeah, totally. But the 833 leaves that malty mouthfeel at the same time. I'll be brewing both at some point. Thanks, man !
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 24, 2015, 02:42:21 AM
Who is a happy swapper now? Thanks Mike G
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/4ab8ee1b696466a3ae648a953dccd51c.jpg)
And a home brew as well!

Scored mine also- super excited for my first Pliny ....thanks Mike!
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/afe6c858326188dac632f6fb5810a460.jpg)


Seeing you guys excited - that's awesome right there.    :-)
Enjoying my first ever Pliny Mike. Man this puppy is smooth, and has the longest lasting thick foamy head I've ever seen on DIPA.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/23/bd88a62bd2304acafe690eab34e4bd5b.jpg)


I had one tonight as well, I really enjoy it.

The background on getting these is that there's a drop off around SF on Wednesdays.  I know I need to pick it up sometime in the afternoon, and that I'm limited to 2 or 4 bottles depending on the place.  Each places gets a 2-3 cases each, and it's delivered and stored cold.  As far as I know, every place that gets it also has a bar so you can enjoy it on-site.

The thing I'm wondering about is why use Carapils in an IPA?  Others are doing this as well (in particular the commercial beer that Frank sent - awesome btw, recipe here: http://www.madtreebrewing.com/recipes/psychopathyRecipe.pdf) (http://www.madtreebrewing.com/recipes/psychopathyRecipe.pdf))

My SWMBO always wants an IPA, kinda thinking it's time to brew it.  But, is Carapil the secret to that foamy head?

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf)

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 24, 2015, 02:45:40 AM
Who is a happy swapper now? Thanks Mike G
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/4ab8ee1b696466a3ae648a953dccd51c.jpg)
And a home brew as well!

Scored mine also- super excited for my first Pliny ....thanks Mike!
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/afe6c858326188dac632f6fb5810a460.jpg)


Seeing you guys excited - that's awesome right there.    :-)
Enjoying my first ever Pliny Mike. Man this puppy is smooth, and has the longest lasting thick foamy head I've ever seen on DIPA.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/23/bd88a62bd2304acafe690eab34e4bd5b.jpg)


I had one tonight as well, I really enjoy it.

The background on getting these is that there's a drop off around SF on Wednesdays.  I know I need to pick it up sometime in the afternoon, and that I'm limited to 2 or 4 bottles depending on the place.  Each places gets a 2-3 cases each, and it's delivered and stored cold.  As far as I know, every place that gets it also has a bar so you can enjoy it on-site.

The thing I'm wondering about is why use Carapils in an IPA?  Others are doing this as well (in particular the commercial beer that Frank sent - awesome btw, recipe here: http://www.madtreebrewing.com/recipes/psychopathyRecipe.pdf) (http://www.madtreebrewing.com/recipes/psychopathyRecipe.pdf))

My SWMBO always wants an IPA, kinda thinking it's time to brew it.  But, is Carapil the secret to that foamy head?

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf)

i will say one thing....and its somewhat controversial on this forum...carapils is something i use often; especially on low FG beers. it does provide that mouthfeel and assits head. my opinion and IME-like it or not!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 24, 2015, 03:14:53 AM
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First Pliny, poured beautifully.  Also got the gorgeously thick creamy head obviously. Really amazed at how smooth the bitterness is. I really expected more bitterness. Great hop flavors and aroma. I will definitely be buying this the next time I see it around town here
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 24, 2015, 08:31:08 PM
I tried the first of five brews by Frank Laske, aka 69Franx, a Pilsner.  This is awesome. 

(http://i.imgur.com/TA3YQrP.jpg)

I'm really surprised by this beer.  It's not a style I've had a lot of and it was complex as much as it was easy to drink.  Is a split batch, this one fermented with WLP833 German Bock Lager Yeast.

Notes: 

Great pour, and the first impression is the lager yeast aroma.  I took a quick trip to rural Poland a couple years ago for a sporting event and the aroma reminded me of the fresh pivo we drank outdoors when getting food in the evenings.

I liked the carbonation levels.  Seems like the 2-3 finger head dissipates into a 1 finger head that remains while drinking.  If it was dissipating at the end, a quick swish of the glass brings it right back. 

The second impression is a combination of hops and malt.  It's full-mouth flavor - subtle floral hops and a nutty malt taste.  Although the beer has a dry finish, there's a lingering of a pleasant bitterness from the hops and malt nuttiness on the back of the tongue.  As much as I tried to taste breadiness, it is nuttiness defined the malt character.  Really surprising how long the hop and malt flavor lingers.  Slightly more bitter than commercial offerings yet very subtle none-the-less, and that's appealing to me.

Very quaffable; thankfully not something that needs to be sipped.  This beer did not leave me feeling full but refreshed and ready for another sometime soon.  Kinda thinking I should pair it with a cheese plate.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 24, 2015, 10:08:50 PM
Started into the box of goodies from erockrph. Beginning with the Foolproof Saison.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/24/601b70a5571edf87b2486c9c7f2e0ccc.jpg)

Overall, this is one of the better commercial American saisons I've tried. I would buy it frequently if available here. It pours a hazy light-gold, with a near white big bubbled head that dissipates in time to a ring. More leggy than lacy. Aroma is fermentation ester forward, spicy clovey belgian reminds me of a Lefe blond. Way in the back is a pils malt and faint nobel hop. Flavor is in line with aroma and fairly intense. Nothing off putting about this beer. In the after taste I get a faint lemon grass like tanginess that I wish was more pronounced throughout. Generally I prefer the more peppery ester versions, but this one was great too. Mouthfeel was medium bodied but effervescent and finished crisp and dry. 

Tasty! Thanks Eric
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 24, 2015, 10:32:46 PM
Next up is mikes raspberry chocolate porter.... Dark brown almost black color. 1/2 finger head fades quickly to thin layer of brown cream. Aroma is roast with slight floral. Body is med/ light. Roast is smooth with chocolate and coffee notes, that finishes dry with hints of raspberry . Carbonation is spot on for style. Kind of reminds me of a coffee stout . No issues with process in this porter....easy drinking smooth roast beer Mike. My wife is especially fond of it, and I'd be happy to have a nice pint of this on a cold winters day. Well done.
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 24, 2015, 10:34:19 PM
Thanks Mike, seems like high praise to me. I found the recipe here in the wiki. It is Ron "Bluesman" Price's "Ringler Pilsner." Very simple recipe for a newbie lager brewer like myself. 100% Avangard pilsner malt. 90 minute boil (but maybe not next time. Hallertau Mittelfrueh at 60 and I think 20 minutes. OG was 1.052, 30 IBUs mashed at 149 for 90, batch sparged, and I followed the fast lager that Marshall has recently brought back to the forefront of lager fermentations. I brewed this originally in January I think and we loved it so much I added a second batch (10 gallons this time) before we even finished the first batch
I so glad you liked it as well. Just a note my SWMBO loves this version while I love the 830 batch
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 24, 2015, 11:38:35 PM
Thanks Mike, seems like high praise to me. I found the recipe here in the wiki. It is Ron "Bluesman" Price's "Ringler Pilsner." Very simple recipe for a newbie lager brewer like myself. 100% Avangard pilsner malt. 90 minute boil (but maybe not next time. Hallertau Mittelfrueh at 60 and I think 20 minutes. OG was 1.052, 30 IBUs mashed at 149 for 90, batch sparged, and I followed the fast lager that Marshall has recently brought back to the forefront of lager fermentations. I brewed this originally in January I think and we loved it so much I added a second batch (10 gallons this time) before we even finished the first batch
I so glad you liked it as well. Just a note my SWMBO loves this version while I love the 830 batch

Hey Frank. I'm taking notes on this one.  it's 100%, well done. Have not cracked the 830 yet. I also want 10 gallons of this!  :-)  Anything special on the water?  No flaws, awesome beer.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on October 24, 2015, 11:53:42 PM
Frank's 2nd beer, a Saison fermented with a blend of 3711 & 3724:

(http://i.imgur.com/UBkFZ2t.jpg)

This is great, also no flaws.  I don't know these yeasts enough to discern different Saison yeasts, but yeah this was 100%.

My notes as I review them:

First impression: bold yeast notes.  Obviously, it's a Saison yeast and that initially stands out strongly.  Curious as to fermentation temps.

On the pour: I get a really nice head of foam and a lot of lacing on the glass afterwards. 

Not knowing the ingredients, I get really nice blend between the flavors of yeast, some honey, a bit lemon and then a very subtle and clean malt and hop flavor.  I get a dry finish, very clean.  It's like a bright finish with the lemon, honey and hops, and then whatever the malt is, it's very complimentary. 

Underneath it all is a earthy finish, I can only assume this is from the hops as well.

I would say as much as the honey, hop and lemon flavor stand out, the malts are light and so there's really nice balance here.  It's more of a savory beer, I definitely took my time drinking it.

Cheers Frank, again, this is 100%.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 25, 2015, 01:10:53 AM

Hey Frank,

  For 3711 I like to hold 65-67F for 3 days, then ramp up to 80+ until you hit FG. Which is pretty low with 3711 - it's a beast. I used to buy into the slow ramp thing for saison which, for many beers, is a good idea. But with saison yeasts it doesn't seem to matter as much. Drew Beechum has posted that he ramps directly up to 80 or 90F too, and he's been known to make a saison or two. I say give it the 3 days, then ramp up to 80+ and let her rip. It'll be a good beer. Let me know how it comes out !
Jon H.

Mike, this was the ferm schedule I used for this saison, many thanks to HoosierBrew who passed it along to me. The grist was 90% Avangard Pilsner and 10% Weyerman Munich II for OG of 1.050. It was bittered for 70 of 90 inutes with Willamette(1oz on my system) and had 1.1oz Nelson Sauvin at 20 minutes with a final Whirlpool addition of 2oz Nelson for 45.8 IBU(high for a saison, but still delicious!). This grist and hop schedule are based (loosely?) on a recipe that AmandaK posted last year for her saison. I think it follows her %s pretty closely and the numbers I have given are beersmith projections. She originally just used the 3724 and whenI originally brewed this last year, I could not get it below 1.008. Jon suggested the blend and ferm schedule and it went from 1.05 to 1.003 in 17 days or less, that was my first sample. It projects out to 6.2% ABV, but drinks like the 5.4%(I think) she targeted.
     I am again very happily pleased that you are enjoying it. I wont get to your Belgian Smash until next week at the earliest. thanks again for the feedback
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 25, 2015, 01:56:56 AM
In keeping with reporting back this weekend, here's my thoughts on Amanda's Geuze. Not only am i not sure if that spelling is truly correct, I also am not certain how to pronounce this style. My only previous experience with a gueuze was with a bottle of 2010 Boon Wedding Parfait Gueuze, which the missus and I enjoyed.

Amanda's pours with a little to know head, leaving a lovely ring of tiny bubbles around the rim of my glass. Forgive the color blind guy I am, but it has a lovely golden orange hue to me.
The aroma is all sour and wonderful, with a great lactic(?) twang in the nose
The flavor follows the same ideas as the aroma, heavy sour and acid tastes. Beyond the sour, there is a lot going on and I am sorry to say that my palate is not nearly developed enough or familiar enough to accurately describe what I am tasting. Sorry to wuss out on this assessment, but I am really just blown away by this beer. I am now looking at BJCP.org to try to find my way through it:
     Aroma: I do not get the barnyard, funky, hay, horseblanket; there are definitely some citrus notes to it, but I would not say grapefruit, maybe some apple. No hop aroma
     Appearance: as I said earlier, a nice golden orange in color. My bottle is a little hazy, but it was on the door of my little beer fridge, so likely more unsettled than it should have been. Very effervescent; but no creamy, rocky long lasting head
     Flavor: no hop flavor; as above, some apple and citrus, no diacetyl, balance is more to the sour side to me
     Mouthfeel: High tart, puckering sourness, but not overdone like I have had in other sour brews. As I said earlier, no bug head, but plenty of carbonation as the was a small constant flow of tiny bubbles from the bottom of the glass
    Overall Impression: meets the standard to me: "Complex, pleasantly sour/acidic"

    I know Amanda has won awards with this beer as well and I fully enjoyed it. I would like to get to the point of making brews this complex, and after having stolen her saison recipe would steal this one as well

Edit to add pic:
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And a second to show off the CC tulip:
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 25, 2015, 03:06:19 AM
Watching Canucks and steaming a bunch of tamales. So what a great opportunity to crack open a first for me. Never tried a smoked beer. Thanks to erockrph, im stumbling my way through a beer style I know very little about. Jacks Abey Smoke n Dagger.

I have it in a stemless wine glass, and its a bit too chilled. Initially I dont get a lot of smoke, which is probably a good thing. I do get a bunch of dark toffee, figgy, sweetness. The nose reminds me of some b I g dark english beers I've had. Its real dark, very little head. Cheers

The aroma is misleading. Expecting a lot of sweetness, im surprised to find dry finishing roastiness and a pleasant light smokiness. Though its a lager, it comes off like a well attenuated clean ale. Theres a low ester fruitiness to it. They describe it as between Schwartz and Smoked Porter. Pretty accurate. One following sips the smokiness really comes through. Pleasantly though. I wish I had the recipe to this. Way drinkable. Good choice Eric! I really appreciate it. Something new and very interesting.

Ive got one more local to try, maybe tomorrow. Then im really looking forward to diving in to Erics beers!

I love Swaptoberfest!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 25, 2015, 03:22:23 AM
Glad you're liking them, Jim! The Smoke & Dagger is amazing with BBQ. I've never been a big fan of Rauchbiers, but the smoke is balanced just right for me in this beer.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 25, 2015, 03:29:05 AM
That beer sounds tasty! I can see it being good with bbq.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 25, 2015, 04:09:50 AM
BBQ sure, but also on a cold night by the fire. Its another one of those style examples that proves how important subtleties are. The beer must be drinkable. That one sure was.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 25, 2015, 02:48:36 PM
Glad you're liking them, Jim! The Smoke & Dagger is amazing with BBQ. I've never been a big fan of Rauchbiers, but the smoke is balanced just right for me in this beer.

same here. always tastes like someone threw some smokey bacon in my beer.  i'd love to try this one.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 25, 2015, 09:17:37 PM

I am enjoying another of the commercial beers that were sent by ynotbrusum.  This is called Fierce, from Off Color Brewing in Chicago.  I love the label, but not sure why the byline is "Weisse beer with a Napolianic sour streak" because I find the sourness just right.  It says it is 3.8% ABV and 3ish IBUs and is kettle soured.  This kettle souring worked well, with vey little extra funk and prominent lactic sour flavor.  Nice.  Thanks again, Jerry. 
By the way I am really happy you sent three bottles of Central Waters Satin Solitude.  That is such an easy drinking big beer.  I have one left to report on.

Edit:  I evidently don't have enough time and energy to learn how to post a picture.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 25, 2015, 09:54:41 PM
BBQ sure, but also on a cold night by the fire. Its another one of those style examples that proves how important subtleties are. The beer must be drinkable. That one sure was.
I agree, I love smoke done right, hate it when it tastes overbearing or fake. I buy this beer from time to time because it gets it right.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 25, 2015, 10:09:32 PM
BBQ sure, but also on a cold night by the fire. Its another one of those style examples that proves how important subtleties are. The beer must be drinkable. That one sure was.
I agree, I love smoke done right, hate it when it tastes overbearing or fake. I buy this beer from time to time because it gets it right.
This beer and its subtle use of smoke could maybe help me understand when some folks beleive that some Scottish yeast has a smoke-like phenolic. I've used 1728 a ton and in various way, never got smoke. But (from memory) that Smoke and Dagger does have something going on that sort of reminds me of Dark Island, at least a beat up oxydized version of DI. The one I tried was who knows how old.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: udubdawg on October 25, 2015, 11:20:18 PM
In keeping with reporting back this weekend, here's my thoughts on Amanda's Geuze. Not only am i not sure if that spelling is truly correct, I also am not certain how to pronounce this style. My only previous experience with a gueuze was with a bottle of 2010 Boon Wedding Parfait Gueuze, which the missus and I enjoyed.

Just to piggyback the thread, I've also got a bottle of her gueuze open. Much better than previous, way less vinegar (not zero but quite low.) The honey, fruitiness, and a sort of hay type of barnyard are nice. Nothing enteric, thankfully, but a hint of smoke that detracts slightly.
My funk flag only flies at half mast when it comes to sour beer, and I think this is a very good effort.

Good job AB!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on October 26, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
I'm going to get a box out to Paul Blatz before the end of the week/month.

I've got to send it on the last day of the month because one of the commercial samples won't be available till Friday. I'll grab that and drop with UPS. Won't arrive in October but it'll get there.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on October 26, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
I'm going to get a box out to Paul Blatz before the end of the week/month.

I've got to send it on the last day of the month because one of the commercial samples won't be available till Friday. I'll grab that and drop with UPS. Won't arrive in October but it'll get there.

looking forward to it.

am debating about waiting to send my package out as I may be heading over to tampa this weekend and could pick up a brewery only bomber for peteb, otherwise the commercial shipments are kinda boring.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 26, 2015, 03:20:59 PM
I got just in just in time to arrive in October, due to arrive at Mr. Chrispen's house by the end of Friday.
Matt, I sent a 2013 Cyser, a 2013 Blueberry Mead, and what I'll call a "New England Amber Bitter" which is made with all locally grown and malted barley (80% Pale, 20% Munich) and English yeast and hops.
My commercial beers are: Spencer Abbey Ale, Pretty Things "Jack D'Or: American Saison, and Brewmaster Jack's "Total Eclispe" Rye Porter. The Spencer and Pretty Things are favorites that I get all the time. The Brewmaster Jack I just tried yesterday. I liked it but don't get how its a Porter and not a stout.
I'll PM tracking.

And oh yea, I also included a pint of honey from my hives to play with. I think its a very distinctive tasting honey and although its not enough to make a batch of mead with it might be great if you back sweeten.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 26, 2015, 03:22:11 PM
I'm going to get a box out to Paul Blatz before the end of the week/month.

I've got to send it on the last day of the month because one of the commercial samples won't be available till Friday. I'll grab that and drop with UPS. Won't arrive in October but it'll get there.

looking forward to it.

am debating about waiting to send my package out as I may be heading over to tampa this weekend and could pick up a brewery only bomber for peteb, otherwise the commercial shipments are kinda boring.

Either way is fine Paul.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 27, 2015, 01:44:15 AM
Pull up a stump. I'll tell you what, I dont always drink IPA. But, when I do, I drink Inappropriate Brühaus! Also known as IBEricbev, or erockrph!

Can I get an Amen for all the homebrewers who beleive that IPA is NOT about IBUs?... its about hop flavor and aroma! Its also not about being 7-10%. I dont care what the bloggers say, there is no WE in IPA. Its about what I like. This one is so smartly brewed it should be called iPA.

Inappropriate Brühaus "Competition IPA"
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First off, you have to admire a guy who names his beer "Competition"! Eric so fully knows how good he is that Stone has named a beer after him. (Kidding, relax)

The nose is not lacking in hop aroma at all. Even chilled as cold as I poured it. Piney-citrus, orange zest and grapefruit pith, and Doug fir needles. No stray cat strutting here! Fermentation esters are super clean. Malt escapes my crappy nose.

The eyes are hazy yellow with a bright white head that fades quick to a ring. Any lace is swept away and leggy. No homebrew chunks-n-funk. But this beer aint about looks. As Bobby Orr would say, pretty dont check.

My tongue gets similar to the nose up front. Piney citrus, oranges and grapefruits and Christmas trees. Thats followed by a wonderful unknown to me. I fished for it. Is it a yeast I dont know, crystal im not familiar with? At first I thought super faint smoke, but thats not it. I settled on calling it roasted golden rasins. Probably the best word is Intangible! A great beer ought to make you wish you knew the secret.

Its a fullish bodied, I'm guessing force carbed, appropriately carbed, medium dry finishing beer with no faults. Unless that intangible is the doorstep to oxydation. But at the moment its splendid.

Overall,  a skillfully made, flawless, tasty, very drinkable IPA. I have to reiterate... if you think an IPA should be so bitter it hurts your teeth, find another table to drink at. If you think IPA should showcase hop flavor and aromas, and finish dry enough to invite another drink other than ice water, this is a great example for you.

If this was a Competition Id give it a 40. That way I would certainly be within 6 points of any other judge. If I didnt care what other judges thought... I know, imagine that... Id give it a 45.

My first bottle of erickrph's beers. I think he gets it. You're not going to pick CaCl chunks out of your teeth. You wont be suggesting sanitation procedures. You won't be wondering if he mistook his crystal 60 for pils malt. You might argue guidelines, but you would be wrong. Drinkability baby! And something wonderful to keep you guessing.

Kudos up the wazzu Eric! I'm on your side!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 27, 2015, 02:14:45 AM
Don't know how to quote from tapatalk but I want to hear a review of te spencer abbey ale.

I enjoyed it but not sure it would become a regular. $$ plus all my bottles were gushers. Of course for it to be a regular I'd need to move east.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 27, 2015, 02:18:31 AM
Nice review Jim. And for someone just trying to start to like hockey, a hockey star quote, even better! If you work at him a bit, erockrph may share his secret
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 27, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
Nice review Jim. And for someone just trying to start to like hockey, a hockey star quote, even better! If you work at him a bit, erockrph may share his secret
Honestly, I don't know if Bobby Orr ever said that. It might have been Benjamin Franklin lol
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 27, 2015, 02:23:10 AM
even better!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 27, 2015, 02:35:45 AM
Jim, I would love to read one of your arrest reports!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 27, 2015, 03:03:34 AM
Jim, I would lov to read one of you arrest reports!
Edited...

No you wouldn't.  Boring work stuff
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 27, 2015, 11:56:23 AM
Pull up a stump. I'll tell you what, I dont always drink IPA. But, when I do, I drink Inappropriate Brühaus! Also known as IBEricbev, or erockrph!

Can I get an Amen for all the homebrewers who beleive that IPA is NOT about IBUs?... its about hop flavor and aroma! Its also not about being 7-10%. I dont care what the bloggers say, there is no WE in IPA. Its about what I like. This one is so smartly brewed it should be called iPA.

Inappropriate Brühaus "Competition IPA"
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/26/84c869e8e70403c35fc3b17760b9e1d4.jpg)

First off, you have to admire a guy who names his beer "Competition"! Eric so fully knows how good he is that Stone has named a beer after him. (Kidding, relax)

The nose is not lacking in hop aroma at all. Even chilled as cold as I poured it. Piney-citrus, orange zest and grapefruit pith, and Doug fir needles. No stray cat strutting here! Fermentation esters are super clean. Malt escapes my crappy nose.

The eyes are hazy yellow with a bright white head that fades quick to a ring. Any lace is swept away and leggy. No homebrew chunks-n-funk. But this beer aint about looks. As Bobby Orr would say, pretty dont check.

My tongue gets similar to the nose up front. Piney citrus, oranges and grapefruits and Christmas trees. Thats followed by a wonderful unknown to me. I fished for it. Is it a yeast I dont know, crystal im not familiar with? At first I thought super faint smoke, but thats not it. I settled on calling it roasted golden rasins. Probably the best word is Intangible! A great beer ought to make you wish you knew the secret.

Its a fullish bodied, I'm guessing force carbed, appropriately carbed, medium dry finishing beer with no faults. Unless that intangible is the doorstep to oxydation. But at the moment its splendid.

Overall,  a skillfully made, flawless, tasty, very drinkable IPA. I have to reiterate... if you think an IPA should be so bitter it hurts your teeth, find another table to drink at. If you think IPA should showcase hop flavor and aromas, and finish dry enough to invite another drink other than ice water, this is a great example for you.

If this was a Competition Id give it a 40. That way I would certainly be within 6 points of any other judge. If I didnt care what other judges thought... I know, imagine that... Id give it a 45.

My first bottle of erickrph's beers. I think he gets it. You're not going to pick CaCl chunks out of your teeth. You wont be suggesting sanitation procedures. You won't be wondering if he mistook his crystal 60 for pils malt. You might argue guidelines, but you would be wrong. Drinkability baby! And something wonderful to keep you guessing.

Kudos up the wazzu Eric! I'm on your side!
great review of what sounds like a great beer.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 27, 2015, 12:07:36 PM
Don't know how to quote from tapatalk but I want to hear a review of te spencer abbey ale.

I enjoyed it but not sure it would become a regular. $$ plus all my bottles were gushers. Of course for it to be a regular I'd need to move east.


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From another thread I get the impression that the gusher thing was an early QT problem. I started a thread yesterday in the commercial beer section with a link to an article about new offerings from the Abbey. In it they mentioned that they got feedback that the price is too high and are now recommending 12.99 but I still paid 17 at the local farm store. I'll check the price next time I go to a bigger liquor store. The problem with the price for me wasn't that the quality wasn't there, I think its great. Its just that as a patersbier its supposed to be and is sessionable. I will pay 17 bucks no problem for a four pack of a fireplace sipper that will last me a few nights bit its tough to pay that for something I can crush in 2 hours.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 27, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Thanks for the great review, Jim. This was my IPA for the BrewUnited competition, which had a limited ingredient list. You needed to use Pils, Munich, Flaked Wheat and 60L Crystal as your only malts, and needed to use exactly two hop varieties from a small list of choices.

Centennial was the only remotely IPAish hop on the list, so that is where the bulk of the hop character came from. I used a small addition of Northern Brewer at 60min to meet the 10% of the hop bill requirement, then I whirlpooled 6oz of Centennial at 195F for 45 minutes to get a moderate amount of additional IBU's while extracting flavor and aroma. There were 2oz of Centennial in the dry hop as well (3 gallon batch).

I never use Centennial in IPA's, nor do I typically use it as a single hop. That is mainly because so many commercial brewers use it, and I prefer to make stuff at home that I can't buy at the store. I was surprised at just how much dank/resin/pine I got out of it in addition to the usual C-hop citrus.

Jim, I'm not sure what the note was that you couldn't place, but I used CaraMunich III as my crystal and BRY-97 for yeast. Maybe it's one of those?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 27, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
The intangible could very well be a combo of things. In any event, the biggest take away on that beer for me was this. In IPAs, as long as abv, color, and bitterness are not grossly out of whack, pleasant obvious hop aroma and flavor should rule the day. I am well on my way to hating IPAs that have a course grating overwhelming bitterness, and not much else. Give me a mellow 6% 40-50 IBU beer that nails it in aroma and flavor and complexity and drinkability!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coolman26 on October 27, 2015, 04:12:51 PM
I've not found many ipa beers of late that hit the mark.  I'm sick of dumping cash to try a new ipa and it being sub par.  Not a little sub par, but way out there sub par.  Agree on all points
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 28, 2015, 02:39:15 AM
I sent this to Jim via PM and was cleared for posting. :)

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Drinking the Helles now.

Aroma starts with an interesting white wine grape ester. Follows with a touch of light, floral honey notes. Very light grainy character in the background. No off aromas.

Opens with a light hiss. Poured vigorously to produce a 1/2", frothy, pretty head. Falls to a 1/16" cap quickly, but cap persists. Gold color, light haze.

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Presents initially with a sweet, honey like malt flavor. Initial flavor subsides to a lightly sweet, toffee like flavor. Med-low bitterness. Very low floral hop(?) flavor. Clean fermentation, no off flavors. Finish comes across as a touch too sweet for style, but body suggests that the FG is on point. Honey and light floral flavors linger into the aftertaste.

Med-light body, med-low carb. Could be crisper, but I'm nit-picking here. This is a well made beer that *may* be showing signs of oxidation or age. That is just a guess though. The honey, if unintended, sometimes can indicate the very beginnings of oxidation. Or it could be Vienna malt. :) I always hesitate to say stuff like that on a scoresheet, but since I have you here... ;)

Overall, great beer. It's a bit off center of a "Pils malt showcase", but who cares! I'm personally enjoying the crap out of this thing. It's got this multi layered interest to it. First you get honey, then maybe a bit of grape (? - this is the really interesting bit for me. Where does it come from? There are no other 'esters'? What yeast was this then? Was there a malt in there that I don't know about yet?), then some floral, a touch of graininess, and it's cleanly feremented to boot.

PS: damn, that grape aroma was fleeting. Or maybe I'm crazy. Either way, it's gone now. Still enjoying the beer. :)

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Cheers!

PPS: Jim, was this a bit boozier than usual? I'm not gonna lie, now that I've finished the beer, I'm feeling like I should either drink water or lay in the corner of the couch. Ha!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 28, 2015, 03:00:50 AM
Great review and analysis, Amanda.  That beer was brewed mid February. After bottle conditioned it sat in a chest at 39º till I boxed it up. Same with the dunkel I sent. Its reaching its best by for sure. Thats my 3rd attemot, tweaking along the way. It won 1st place at Bend Oregon's Springfling. Probably because Randy didnt enter anything lol.

Malt bill was 9lbs Best Pils and 2 lbs Vienna, which I later learned to be Gambrinus. A light went off above my head when I learned that, regarding that honey note. Hopping was 1/2 oz of US Magnum at 60 in a 90 min biil. Thats it.  Wyeast Munich 2308 at 50º till a stepped up d rest.

Helles is up next on my calendar. I'm going to drop the OG from 1.058ish to 1.050. 9.5 lbs Best Pils 1.5lbs Best Vienna. Im going to mash at 145 for 120, rather than 150 for 60. 60 minute boil thanks to Marshall, that might drop the color down where it should be. Hops this time will be an ounce of Mittelfruh at 60 and an ounce at 10. Going to pitch two 1L starters at high krausen and get it really rocking,  hopefully. Plus I've learned a lot about water and pH since February so im amped to get after it.

Glad you enjoyed it. Im looking forward to continuing my journey toward my perfect Helles. The Dunkel needs help too. Too sweet in my opinion. I'll see what you think.

Edit: regarding the unexpected buzz, its about 5.5% so I dont know. But it was brewed in Washington, so who knows? Contact high?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 28, 2015, 02:09:40 PM
Great review and analysis, Amanda.  That beer was brewed mid February. After bottle conditioned it sat in a chest at 39º till I boxed it up. Same with the dunkel I sent. Its reaching its best by for sure. Thats my 3rd attemot, tweaking along the way. It won 1st place at Bend Oregon's Springfling. Probably because Randy didnt enter anything lol.

Malt bill was 9lbs Best Pils and 2 lbs Vienna, which I later learned to be Gambrinus. A light went off above my head when I learned that, regarding that honey note. Hopping was 1/2 oz of US Magnum at 60 in a 90 min biil. Thats it.  Wyeast Munich 2308 at 50º till a stepped up d rest.

Helles is up next on my calendar. I'm going to drop the OG from 1.058ish to 1.050. 9.5 lbs Best Pils 1.5lbs Best Vienna. Im going to mash at 145 for 120, rather than 150 for 60. 60 minute boil thanks to Marshall, that might drop the color down where it should be. Hops this time will be an ounce of Mittelfruh at 60 and an ounce at 10. Going to pitch two 1L starters at high krausen and get it really rocking,  hopefully. Plus I've learned a lot about water and pH since February so im amped to get after it.

Glad you enjoyed it. Im looking forward to continuing my journey toward my perfect Helles. The Dunkel needs help too. Too sweet in my opinion. I'll see what you think.

Edit: regarding the unexpected buzz, its about 5.5% so I dont know. But it was brewed in Washington, so who knows? Contact high?

Interesting. I'm almost always hesitant to point to a flavor or aroma and point out how it was formed, but it seems like my training/practice has paid off a bit here. At NHC this past year, I got a lot of experience in malt oxidation which was spurred on by judging the light lager category. Nathan Smith and I had this Dortmunder Export that was light gold in color, but was just a wallop of toffee and honey. It was crazy. During that mini-BOS, Bob Hall and I discussed malt oxidation in what was probably entirely too much detail for normal people. Talking with Bob led to him dragging a New Belgium brewer over and talking with him about types of oxidation that people don't really know about. And when we were leaving, I had the opportunity to ask John Mallett about it. Problem is that oxidation of paler malts can taste a lot like what higher/longer kilned malts taste like. :/

So it looks like you went from 1.058 to 1.016 with this one? It seems like a good idea to start lower and finish lower with this one - 1.050 OG like you say and then aim for 1.010 or 1.011. I have had some issue in the past with WY2308 finishing a bit on the sweeter side, but I've had good luck pitching a crap ton of it and warming it up as fermentation slows (similar to Marshall's fast lager ferment). The finish on that beer did seem a bit, I don't want to say flabby, but it wasn't crisp. I'm sure you'll nail that down now that you know more about water/pH.

I'll see if I can find time to kick back a couple tonight. The dunkel is next up on my list.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 28, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
Awesome. Trouble with the honey note is that it was there from day one. I think it's from Gambrinus' vienna, which might have had some Gambrinus honey malt in it. But the beer is also getting old so I wouldn't doubt the oxydation is creeping in and really adding to that honey thing.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on October 28, 2015, 06:07:11 PM
Interesting to hear about oxidation relative to malt profile in a light lager.  I have a bottle of NG Pils that I brewed (12-13-14) for comps this past spring that I squirreled away in my fridge to see how it holds up/oxidizes/just plain fades with time.  I will have to crack that one soon with my perception on high alert to see what it has done over the last year. Grapy oxidation is a new one to me.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 28, 2015, 06:24:48 PM
Interesting to hear about oxidation relative to malt profile in a light lager.  I have a bottle of NG Pils that I brewed (12-13-14) for comps this past spring that I squirreled away in my fridge to see how it holds up/oxidizes/just plain fades with time.  I will have to crack that one soon with my perception on high alert to see what it has done over the last year. Grapy oxidation is a new one to me.

I don't know what that was from, it may not be from oxidation. Maybe it's how I perceive Gambrinus Vienna!  ;D
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 28, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
Interesting to hear about oxidation relative to malt profile in a light lager.  I have a bottle of NG Pils that I brewed (12-13-14) for comps this past spring that I squirreled away in my fridge to see how it holds up/oxidizes/just plain fades with time.  I will have to crack that one soon with my perception on high alert to see what it has done over the last year. Grapy oxidation is a new one to me.

Dark fruit esters and oxidation effects are generally more common in darker beers.  The 'dark fruit' that comes across in a lot of old ales and scotch ales and to some extent stouts and quads is a function of oxidation (although yeast profile plays a part in some of those esters also as well as dark candi sugar).  Honey can be from the type of malt, or oxidation in some medium crystal malts.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on October 28, 2015, 06:38:06 PM
Interesting to hear about oxidation relative to malt profile in a light lager.  I have a bottle of NG Pils that I brewed (12-13-14) for comps this past spring that I squirreled away in my fridge to see how it holds up/oxidizes/just plain fades with time.  I will have to crack that one soon with my perception on high alert to see what it has done over the last year. Grapy oxidation is a new one to me.

I don't know what that was from, it may not be from oxidation. Maybe it's how I perceive Gambrinus Vienna!  ;D

I often get a grapy note from pils malt. reminds me of white grapejuice. Or maybe the hint of grape you taste in 'no sugar added' sodapop that's sweetened with white grape juice.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 28, 2015, 06:50:56 PM
Interesting to hear about oxidation relative to malt profile in a light lager.  I have a bottle of NG Pils that I brewed (12-13-14) for comps this past spring that I squirreled away in my fridge to see how it holds up/oxidizes/just plain fades with time.  I will have to crack that one soon with my perception on high alert to see what it has done over the last year. Grapy oxidation is a new one to me.

I don't know what that was from, it may not be from oxidation. Maybe it's how I perceive Gambrinus Vienna!  ;D

I often get a grapy note from pils malt. reminds me of white grapejuice. Or maybe the hint of grape you taste in 'no sugar added' sodapop that's sweetened with white grape juice.

You know, I do remember that conversation in the famous "That German Lager Flavor" thread. I'll keep an eye on that with my next few all-Pils beers. I have plans for a Belgian Golden Strong (Dingemanns Pils) and more German Pilsners (Best Pils).
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 28, 2015, 06:53:16 PM
Is that what is referred to as vinous (sp?)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 28, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
Yes, it's one aspect of vinous.  "Port" is another oxidation quality in that vein.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 28, 2015, 08:28:07 PM
Nice exchange here with Jim and Amanda, nice chance to learn something. Definitely a class move by Amanda to PM Jim the review first and for Jim to be willing to discuss the constructive feedback. You are both total grown ups!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on October 28, 2015, 09:01:38 PM
I get a honey flavor from certain Pilsner malts when underattenuated.  It doesn't necessarily have to come from oxidation.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on October 28, 2015, 09:55:46 PM
Yes, it's one aspect of vinous.  "Port" is another oxidation quality in that vein.
And the Muscat/Sauvignon Blanc note common in some NZ hops is yet another possible application of the term "vinous" in brewing.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on October 28, 2015, 11:07:33 PM
Nice exchange here with Jim and Amanda, nice chance to learn something. Definitely a class move by Amanda to PM Jim the review first and for Jim to be willing to discuss the constructive feedback. You are both total grown ups!
Well thanks. Thats the whole point of these swaps. Just like we were sitting together having a beer, cuz one day we will be. Also its ok if every beer isnt pop your eyes out amazing. That Helles won a ribbon, but I know it has a long way ti go till im happy with it. If I cant take criticism and suggestions how will I ever get it there?

But I agree with you, for a forum this one is grown up.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 28, 2015, 11:12:03 PM
Yes, it's one aspect of vinous.  "Port" is another oxidation quality in that vein.
And the Muscat/Sauvignon Blanc note common in some NZ hops is yet another possible application of the term "vinous" in brewing.

Makes me think of the 'vinous' character of WY2565 Kolsch,too. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 28, 2015, 11:56:37 PM
Yes, it's one aspect of vinous.  "Port" is another oxidation quality in that vein.
And the Muscat/Sauvignon Blanc note common in some NZ hops is yet another possible application of the term "vinous" in brewing.
I would also add the sherry like flavor that a high gravity aged beer or mead can get. I just bottled a 4 year old cranberry mead and I'm trying to decide how I like that aspect. I think I have to accept that the answer is sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 29, 2015, 12:48:36 AM
One thing that a fellow judge and I were also discussing this weekend was the 'buttery' character of chardonnay and that there was likely a diacetyl component to it since there was a local brewery who aged a beer in chardonnay barrels that came across as a butter bomb.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 29, 2015, 12:50:47 AM
One thing that a fellow judge and I were also discussing this weekend was the 'buttery' character of chardonnay and that there was likely a diacetyl component to it since there was a local brewery who aged a beer in chardonnay barrels that came across as a butter bomb.

I only get buttery in Chardonnay when Oaked. Stainless Chardonnays don't give me that.

edit:  interesting .....
"What Makes a Chardonnay Buttery?

Malolactic fermentation (or sometimes malolactic conversionor MLF) is a process in winemaking where tart-tasting malic acid, naturally present in grape must, is converted to softer-tasting lactic acid. Malolactic fermentation tends to create a rounder, fuller mouthfeel. It has been said that malic acid tastes of green apples. By contrast, lactic acid is richer and more buttery tasting. Grapes produced in cool regions tend to be high in acidity much of which comes from the contribution of malic acid. MLF is also thought to generally enhance the body and flavor persistence of wine, producing wines of greater palate softness and roundness. Many winemakers also feel that better integration of fruit and oak character can be achieved if MLF occurs during the time the wine is in barrel.

The two winemaking decisions that most widely affect the end result of a Chardonnaywine is whether or not to use malolactic fermentation and the degree of oakinfluence used for the wine. With malolactic fermentation (or MLF), the harder malic acid gets converted into the softer lactic acid which creates the “buttery-ness” that is associated with some styles of Chardonnay. The wines that do not go though MLF will have more green apple like flavors."


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 29, 2015, 02:20:16 AM
Yes, it's one aspect of vinous.  "Port" is another oxidation quality in that vein.

Could be just me, but I've always associated vinous more with body and mouthfeel than flavor.  Syrupy liquid, which clings to the glass, is vinous to me.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 29, 2015, 02:30:07 AM
Yes, it's one aspect of vinous.  "Port" is another oxidation quality in that vein.

Could be just me, but I've always associated vinous more with body and mouthfeel than flavor.  Syrupy liquid, which clings to the glass, is vinous to me.

I have always associated vinouos with people named "Vinnie". When someone says "fahgettaboutit!" that's vinouous.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 29, 2015, 02:33:30 AM
Nice!  Sometimes it just means Fuggedaboutit.

It occurs to me I was thinking viscous. Not vinous.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 29, 2015, 02:35:30 AM
Nice!  Sometimes it just means Fuggedaboutit.

It occurs to me I was thinking viscous. Not vinous.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 29, 2015, 12:43:48 PM
Nice exchange here with Jim and Amanda, nice chance to learn something. Definitely a class move by Amanda to PM Jim the review first and for Jim to be willing to discuss the constructive feedback. You are both total grown ups!
Well thanks. Thats the whole point of these swaps. Just like we were sitting together having a beer, cuz one day we will be. Also its ok if every beer isnt pop your eyes out amazing. That Helles won a ribbon, but I know it has a long way ti go till im happy with it. If I cant take criticism and suggestions how will I ever get it there?

But I agree with you, for a forum this one is grown up.

This here is the reason I stay on this forum. I enjoy the respect that everyone affords one another.

As for the beer - I'm always open to hopefully help people in the quest of making better beer. The exchange that Jim and I are having is exactly like what we do at the end of our club meetings. We have a private session called "If you really want to know". Some of our more experienced judges stick around after the meeting is officially over and anyone can come up and talk about their beer, what they intended, how it is perceived, the process the brewer used, what they may want to work on for next time, etc. I love this part - it's as much of a learning experience for the brewers as it is for me sometimes.

Anyway - this forum is similar to my club. And that makes me happy.  :D
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on October 29, 2015, 01:27:49 PM
One thing that a fellow judge and I were also discussing this weekend was the 'buttery' character of chardonnay and that there was likely a diacetyl component to it since there was a local brewery who aged a beer in chardonnay barrels that came across as a butter bomb.

I only get buttery in Chardonnay when Oaked. Stainless Chardonnays don't give me that.

Full disclosure: I don't drink Chardonnay at all, so I'm not sure if what wine drinkers are describing as buttery is the same thing.  IME, pedio produces a lot of diacetyl that doesn't get cleaned up without some other yeast or bug.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on October 29, 2015, 01:50:34 PM
One thing that a fellow judge and I were also discussing this weekend was the 'buttery' character of chardonnay and that there was likely a diacetyl component to it since there was a local brewery who aged a beer in chardonnay barrels that came across as a butter bomb.

I only get buttery in Chardonnay when Oaked. Stainless Chardonnays don't give me that.


Same here. I can't drink oaked Chardonnay because of the butter. Stainless (or apparently non-MLF) Chardonnays are awesome though. Cline Vineyards makes a pretty stellar one.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on October 30, 2015, 04:39:04 PM
I made it before the end of the month!

Blatz will soon be receiving some of what Vermont has to offer.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on October 30, 2015, 06:29:09 PM
Nice exchange here with Jim and Amanda, nice chance to learn something. Definitely a class move by Amanda to PM Jim the review first and for Jim to be willing to discuss the constructive feedback. You are both total grown ups!
Well thanks. Thats the whole point of these swaps. Just like we were sitting together having a beer, cuz one day we will be. Also its ok if every beer isnt pop your eyes out amazing. That Helles won a ribbon, but I know it has a long way ti go till im happy with it. If I cant take criticism and suggestions how will I ever get it there?

But I agree with you, for a forum this one is grown up.

This here is the reason I stay on this forum. I enjoy the respect that everyone affords one another.

As for the beer - I'm always open to hopefully help people in the quest of making better beer. The exchange that Jim and I are having is exactly like what we do at the end of our club meetings. We have a private session called "If you really want to know". Some of our more experienced judges stick around after the meeting is officially over and anyone can come up and talk about their beer, what they intended, how it is perceived, the process the brewer used, what they may want to work on for next time, etc. I love this part - it's as much of a learning experience for the brewers as it is for me sometimes.

Anyway - this forum is similar to my club. And that makes me happy.  :D
Amanda, in keeping with your post here, I hope the 2 reviews I have done on your beer so far were not too far off the mark. 
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 30, 2015, 07:23:07 PM
I might have broken @heavydeadlifts... I sent some really big beers. :)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on October 30, 2015, 09:43:25 PM

I might have broken @heavydeadlifts... I sent some really big beers. :)

Very big beers...ill have to find the time over the weekend to do a nice write up

BTW, what yeast did you use for the saison? French saison 3711?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 30, 2015, 09:44:30 PM
Belle Saison. Some people like it and some really hate it. I love it fermented cool and then let to free rise.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on October 30, 2015, 09:47:25 PM

Belle Saison. Some people like it and some really hate it. I love it fermented cool and then let to free rise.
Nice, I'll have to try it out. The only saison strain I've seen to ferment as dry as yours was the wyeast French saison 3711
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 30, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
I have heard they are the same strain, but I get a more peppery character out of Belle... which could be my imagination.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 31, 2015, 12:19:49 AM
I have heard they are the same strain, but I get a more peppery character out of Belle... which could be my imagination.

I've read that too, Matt. Funny thing, I get more of a citrus/grapefruit bomb out of Belle - I think it's totally a temp schedule thing. I pitched @ 67F, held 48 hrs, then ramped up to 80F last time. Those strains are crazy temp sensitive.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on October 31, 2015, 12:42:31 AM

I have heard they are the same strain, but I get a more peppery character out of Belle... which could be my imagination.

I was just thinking any peppery/spicy notes in that beer were from the rye used in grain bill

I've used 3711 by pitching around 65 and letting it free rise, I got a super fruity tasting beer...I always use a half Maris otter and half white wheat grain bill in my saisons
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 31, 2015, 12:56:05 AM
Last of Ken's (Wort-HOG) beers is his Vanilla Porter. It pours a deep mahogany/black with a thick head of two fingers that settles to a lingering 1/2 inch. It smells of toffee, vanilla, caramel, roast, slight alcohol. The flavor is a synergy of these, with a sweet toffee/caramel character playing alongside a pleasant vanilla flavor, later balanced by a smooth roast character. A subtle, pleasant alcohol flavor and finish serves to accentuate these complimentary components. This is a chilly mid-fall Indiana night and this beer is just the kind of beer you think of on a night like this. Well done, Ken ! Thanks.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 31, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
I wonder what role crystal plays in that.

That Rye Saison is 4# flaked rye,  20# continental Pils (Belgo-Franco this time), and 1# RedX. Step mashed like a pils... Usually I use 2# wheat and 1# SpecialB to get a fruit forward expression. Both pitched at 66F, free rise to low/mid 70's after three or four days, open ferment. VERY different beers. Never got grapefruit, but can see a bit of citrusy tangerine thing in the nose.

I need to run another 3711 batch with Drew's recommendations.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 31, 2015, 01:56:08 AM
Grist has to be a major player here, too -  my last couple have been very simple. Like 75% Pils, 20% Vienna, 5% Wheat. IBUs like 28-ish. That's a lot of variation between our grists and temp schedules.
Title: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 31, 2015, 11:19:29 AM
Last of Ken's (Wort-HOG) beers is his Vanilla Porter. It pours a deep mahogany/black with a thick head of two fingers that settles to a lingering 1/2 inch. It smells of toffee, vanilla, caramel, roast, slight alcohol. The flavor is a synergy of these, with a sweet toffee/caramel character playing alongside a pleasant vanilla flavor, later balanced by a smooth roast character. A subtle, pleasant alcohol flavor and finish serves to accentuate these complimentary components. This is a chilly mid-fall Indiana night and this beer is just the kind of beer you think of on a night like this. Well done, Ken ! Thanks.

That was my first use of the Madagascar bourbon vanilla beans- think I hit it too hard but I pulled it and it mellowed out over time. About 10-11 month old beer at this point. I've decided to do smaller 3 gal batches of these beers going forward and bottling them instead of keg....Just not enough consumption of beers like robust vanilla porter between my wife and I and circle of beer drinking friends.

68% pale ale malt, 11.2% light Munich, 7.5% crisp brown malt, 5.7% chocolate malt 350srm, 3.8% c-120, 2.8% c-60,  1% black patent 500 srm.  Wlp013, 35ibu. OG 1.065, FG 1.016 , 6.5% ABV.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on October 31, 2015, 12:18:14 PM
Last of Ken's (Wort-HOG) beers is his Vanilla Porter. It pours a deep mahogany/black with a thick head of two fingers that settles to a lingering 1/2 inch. It smells of toffee, vanilla, caramel, roast, slight alcohol. The flavor is a synergy of these, with a sweet toffee/caramel character playing alongside a pleasant vanilla flavor, later balanced by a smooth roast character. A subtle, pleasant alcohol flavor and finish serves to accentuate these complimentary components. This is a chilly mid-fall Indiana night and this beer is just the kind of beer you think of on a night like this. Well done, Ken ! Thanks.

That was my first use of the Madagascar bourbon vanilla beans- think I hit it too hard but I pulled it and it mellowed out over time. About 10-11 month old beer at this point. I've decided to do smaller 3 gal batches of these beers going forward and bottling them instead of keg....Just not enough consumption of beers like robust vanilla porter between my wife and I and circle of beer drinking friends.

68% pale ale malt, 11.2% light Munich, 7.5% crisp brown malt, 5.7% chocolate malt 350srm, 3.8% c-120, 2.8% c-60,  1% black patent 500 srm.  Wlp013, 35ibu. OG 1.065, FG 1.016 , 6.5% ABV.


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One of the nice things about the swap is that we get to hear the results of beers that people post questions about as they are making them. I seem to remember Ken posting way back when about what kind of vanilla beans to use.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on October 31, 2015, 01:30:16 PM
Last of Ken's (Wort-HOG) beers is his Vanilla Porter. It pours a deep mahogany/black with a thick head of two fingers that settles to a lingering 1/2 inch. It smells of toffee, vanilla, caramel, roast, slight alcohol. The flavor is a synergy of these, with a sweet toffee/caramel character playing alongside a pleasant vanilla flavor, later balanced by a smooth roast character. A subtle, pleasant alcohol flavor and finish serves to accentuate these complimentary components. This is a chilly mid-fall Indiana night and this beer is just the kind of beer you think of on a night like this. Well done, Ken ! Thanks.

That was my first use of the Madagascar bourbon vanilla beans- think I hit it too hard but I pulled it and it mellowed out over time. About 10-11 month old beer at this point. I've decided to do smaller 3 gal batches of these beers going forward and bottling them instead of keg....Just not enough consumption of beers like robust vanilla porter between my wife and I and circle of beer drinking friends.

68% pale ale malt, 11.2% light Munich, 7.5% crisp brown malt, 5.7% chocolate malt 350srm, 3.8% c-120, 2.8% c-60,  1% black patent 500 srm.  Wlp013, 35ibu. OG 1.065, FG 1.016 , 6.5% ABV.


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One of the nice things about the swap is that we get to hear the results of beers that people post questions about as they are making them. I seem to remember Ken posting way back when about what kind of vanilla beans to use.

exactly Pete. Jon and others guided me in on the usage!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on October 31, 2015, 05:38:46 PM

Grist has to be a major player here, too -  my last couple have been very simple. Like 75% Pils, 20% Vienna, 5% Wheat. IBUs like 28-ish. That's a lot of variation between our grists and temp schedules.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 01, 2015, 02:31:56 AM
All this talk of Saison, I thought now is a good time.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/31/6a76d5510470185288e1ed6b93e828ea.jpg)

Pours a beautiful light gold with so faint of a haze its almost brilliant.  Bright white tiny bubbles head that fades to a long lasting ring. I poured it quite chilly and my nose sucks but I get a little fresh gold grape and spicy belgian ester aroma. Flavor packed! Its a wonderful balance between the belgian saison esters and the grape. Cant say that I get a lot of obvious hop flavor but if I do it blends well with the other leading characters. It tastes and feels like a big beer but not hot or solventy at all. Feel is effervescent,  clean, dry dry. No slickness or coating at all. Not astringent at all. A perception of light sweetness at the end that is intriguing against the dryness. Maybe from the alcohol? Sweetness and a little tart at the same time. Good lord what a complex beer. If you mindlessly drank it you could miss it, but if you explore it theres all these distinct but balanced aspects.

Another great beer Eric! Have you thought of aging some on oak? I'll bet that would fun.  Maybe you did use oak?

As it warms, I gotta say, this would make a great intro to funky beers. I know its not a sour, no sourness to it, but that grape and belgian ester combo along with the effervescence and dryness... if a sour virgin liked this I'll bet they would like sours too.

Fantastic!  Thanks again!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on November 01, 2015, 02:32:54 AM
Dammit Jim! (God, I have been waiting for like 3 years for that!)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 01, 2015, 02:43:06 AM
Sounds great. Eric, I assume that's the saison with Gewurstraminer must ?  Still need to make mine with muscat must.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 01, 2015, 02:47:23 AM
Sounds great. Eric, I assume that's the saison with Gewurstraminer must ?  Still need to make mine with muscat must.
and nelson sauvin?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 01, 2015, 02:54:06 AM
Sounds great. Eric, I assume that's the saison with Gewurstraminer must ?  Still need to make mine with muscat must.
and nelson sauvin?

That's my plan. I need to do that soon.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on November 01, 2015, 03:05:36 AM
Sounds great. Eric, I assume that's the saison with Gewurstraminer must ?  Still need to make mine with muscat must.
Indeed it is! It had much more hop presence initially, but it turned out a lot hotter than I had planned initially. I was shooting for 7% so I started at 1.069. Of course, this is 3711 so the beer ended up at 1.003 and ended up a lot stronger than planned. I let it age at cellar temp in the keg for a few months and all the heat went away. Unfortunately, the hops went with it.

Jim, I'm glad you liked it. It has really mellowed into a nice beer.

I still have half a bag of must in my keezer. I'll have to rebrew this over the winter so the next batch hits its prime for the summer.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 01, 2015, 03:40:37 AM
Yes, rebrew. I bet it would be amazing at about 7% and oaked just a little.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 03, 2015, 02:40:05 AM
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Eric's Hoppy Amber Lager, 5.1% Red X with Mandarina Bavaria and Apollo, Wyeast Czech Pils 2278

Head was minimal and fell quickly. Beer is brilliant clear and light amber color. I really dig this beer. Was it 100% Red X? Because I'm getting a very slight sweet carmely note. If it was a judging sheet I'd probably not say diacetyl because im really sensitive to it, and if it is diacetyl its super minimal, and whatever it is, its nice. The beer is just really well made, everything is in balance and subtle. Super drinkable. Well done! I'd love to have the recipe and water profile on this one.

Reminds me a lot of Icicle Brewing Dirty Face Amber, but not as harsh.

Edit: now that the glass is empty and warm, im wondering if Eric is messing with me. It came in an Anchor Steam bottle and warm and empty it sending quite the subliminal message. Funny how that works.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on November 03, 2015, 04:56:04 AM
I used about 10% Pils malt because I wanted the beer to dry out, but then I ended up undershooting my FG by quite a bit and needed to add DME to boost the FG a bit. I think it was Light DME rather than Extra Light and that's where the caramel note is likely coming from.

Hops were 33 IBU of Mandarina at 60 minutes, and 2.5 oz Mandarina and 1.5 oz of Apollo whirlpooled at 170F for 30 minutes. I didn't dry hop, and I do think the hop character dropped out quite a bit during lagering.

For a 3 gallon batch I added 3g gypsum, and 0.5g each of CaCl2 and Kosher Salt to my well water, targeting 70ppm Calcium, 25ppm Sodium, 40ppm Chloride and 100ppm Sulfate. Also added Lactic acid to target 5.3 mash pH. Mashed at 149F for 80 minutes.

I brewed this for tailgating with some coworkers, so I didn't push the hops as much as I typically would if I was brewing for myself. I was still very happy with the balance with this one. I wanted to make sure it finished plenty dry and crisp, but not sharply bitter. I don't know how much the 2278 contributed to the dryness, but I was quite happy with my results using it.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 03, 2015, 04:58:46 AM
Awesome!  I may play around with that. It turned out really nice, a crowd pleaser for sure.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on November 03, 2015, 03:35:08 PM
My package from Pete_B has landed. We were concerned the truck floated away in our floods over the weekend! Looking forward to the meads and the East Coast Bitter! Really appreciate the Spencer, haven't had a chance to try it. All this just in time for my birthday!

Cheers!

(http://i.imgur.com/BG4SzC6.jpg)

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on November 03, 2015, 04:20:52 PM
I need to plan my brew schedule better to have my best stuff on tap for next October, or better said, not have errors in my brewing like I did this year. :-[

Shipped out Petebs package today -

Cigar City:
Tocobaga Red
Cafe Americano Double Stout
Slow as Molasses Old Ale

Blatz Brauerei:
Dortmunder
Not my Best Fest
Red DIPA
Mojito Mead
Raspberry Mead
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 03, 2015, 04:21:07 PM
My package from Pete_B has landed. We were concerned the truck floated away in our floods over the weekend! Looking forward to the meads and the East Coast Bitter! Really appreciate the Spencer, haven't had a chance to try it. All this just in time for my birthday!

Cheers!

(http://i.imgur.com/BG4SzC6.jpg)

Glad to hear it arrived safely after getting the email from UPS that the delivery was delayed due to emergency conditions!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on November 03, 2015, 06:20:03 PM
Amanda, in keeping with your post here, I hope the 2 reviews I have done on your beer so far were not too far off the mark.

It seems that I had missed those two reviews. I am pleased you enjoyed them! I did lose touch with this thread for a bit since it went down a hockey/Pliny tangent for a bit. Tag me in the next one (@AmandaK) and I won't miss it.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on November 04, 2015, 08:18:12 PM
I just wanted to chime in and let my swap buddy know that I will be shipping my package tomorrow. This swap led to the purchase of my first Blichmann Beer Gun. I have been bottling directly from my keezer faucet in the past with slight oxidation issues. Well the inner perfectionist in me didn't want my first homebrew swap to go half ass....hence the beer gun


(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/04/776b54a02ea73440ee3df2ff67cd7a6e.jpg)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 04, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
I just wanted to chime in and let my swap buddy know that I will be shipping my package tomorrow. This swap led to the purchase of my first Blichmann Beer Gun. I have been bottling directly from my keezer faucet in the past with slight oxidation issues. Well the inner perfectionist in me didn't want my first homebrew swap to go half ass....hence the beer gun


(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/04/776b54a02ea73440ee3df2ff67cd7a6e.jpg)

looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on November 04, 2015, 11:58:09 PM
Review: Pete B's Blueberry Mead 2012

(http://i.imgur.com/exiGTKi.jpg)

I was really excited to hear that Pete B was sending me some mead. I am still waiting to hear on my mead endorsement from BJCP, and my little journey into mead making is pretty nascent. So, while I was hoping to have a great meal to pair this with, we are having left overs.

This mead pours a really deep burgundy, with a beautiful meniscus shining with purple and red hues. The mead is still, as expected, with incredibly slow legs. The aroma of honey is distinct and rich, and while Pete has his own honey, I expect this is orange blossom. There is not a single fermentation flaw that I can detect. Surprisingly little fruit in the nose. No alcohol notes, just a warm and complex honey aroma. Of course, the treat is in the tasting. Complex blueberry flavors, a bit of woodiness, tannin, and a very mild acidity roll out, finishing dry without any astringency and no boozy burn. This is a well-aged mature mead, reminiscent of a fine country wine. Really nice.

I think if I could ask for anything else in this is a bit more acidity to brighten up the fruit... but that is a brash nitpick from a mead making novice. Well done! Will enjoy the remaining half of the bottle this evening.

Edited for grammah...
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on November 05, 2015, 02:26:20 AM
I just opened another beer from Ynotbrusum, this one marked Flanders Red (bretted).  It presents with a small foam stand, but the head is persistent and leaves nice legs in the glass.  Beautiful burgundy color; very clear.  Aroma has some cherry esters and a little farmhouse funk.  Malt is subdued, but kind of reminds me of saltine crackers.  Flavor is sour cherries, with some Munich malt thrown in - thinking of salt water taffy for some reason.  Body and mouthfeel is a bit on the thin side, but has a tongue coating sourness that lingers into the finish.

Nice Flanders.  I would like a little more body, but I know how hard it is to accomplish that with this style.  I can probably assume that this was fuller and more carbonated on tap before bottling.

Thanks!  I am enjoying this exchange.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 05, 2015, 03:36:52 AM
Review: Pete B's Blueberry Mead 2012

(http://i.imgur.com/exiGTKi.jpg)

I was really excited to hear that Pete B was sending me some mead. I am still waiting to hear on my mead endorsement from BJCP, and my little journey into mead making is pretty nascent. So, while I was hoping to have a great meal to pair this with, we are having left overs.

This mead pours a really deep burgundy, with a beautiful meniscus shining with purple and red hues. The mead is still, as expected, with incredibly slow legs. The aroma of honey is distinct and rich, and while Pete has his own honey, I expect this is orange blossom. There is not a single fermentation flaw that I can detect. Surprisingly little fruit in the nose. No alcohol notes, just a warm and complex honey aroma. Of course, the treat is in the tasting. Complex blueberry flavors, a bit of woodiness, tannin, and a very mild acidity roll out, finishing dry without any astringency and no boozy burn. This is a well-aged mature mead, reminiscent of a fine country wine. Really nice.

I think if I could ask for anything else in this is a bit more acidity to brighten up the fruit... but that is a brash nitpick from a mead making novice. Well done! Will enjoy the remaining half of the bottle this evening.

Edited for grammah...

I'm glad you are enjoying it Matt. Actually its not orange blossom honey, all the honey we use is from a local beekeeper we know or our own. I would classify it as "wildflower" If it was spring/summer honey, which is likely since we would have been harvesting the blueberries in july or August, it would have some apple blossom, dandelion, and clover as some of the forage. If it was fall honey the main forage would have been goldenrod, asters, and clover. The jar of honey I sent you is from what I harvested this July. I would be interested what your thoughts are about that honey as I am no conniseur and rarely even taste honey that doesn't come from within 10 miles of here.
I think you have a good point about a touch more acidity bringing out the fruit. I plan on experimenting with blending it with our cranberry and wild grape meads which are pretty tart. I would imagine only a 5:1 blend of this mead to an acidic one will be nice.
The tannins are strictly from using the whole fruit, no added tannin.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 05, 2015, 08:39:55 AM
Just checking...

Has anyone not shipped yet? Not received yet, at least gotten a tracking number? Send me a PM if you got left behind.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 05, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
Just checking...

Has anyone not shipped yet? Not received yet, at least gotten a tracking number? Send me a PM if you got left behind.
I have the tracking number of what's coming to me and the lateness has been well communicated and OK'd by me and is the result of Paul wanting to send me more and better beer. So I'm all good for sure.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on November 05, 2015, 02:03:47 PM
Just checking...

Has anyone not shipped yet? Not received yet, at least gotten a tracking number? Send me a PM if you got left behind.
I have the tracking number of what's coming to me and the lateness has been well communicated and OK'd by me and is the result of Paul wanting to send me more and better beer. So I'm all good for sure.

aye - I wasn't happy with the local beers that were available to me at the time, and I was headed over to Cigar City last weekend so I asked pete if he'd be okay with waiting so I get him some limited release bombers.  similar to Jonathan who let me know that he'd be going to get fresh releases of some of the beers he was sending and i was more than happy to wait  8)  should be getting mine today and pete should be getting his tomorrow.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on November 05, 2015, 03:13:59 PM
I have only had a chance to have one of the homebrews and have tasting notes to post.  Hoping to cover the rest this weekend.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 05, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
Just checking...

Has anyone not shipped yet? Not received yet, at least gotten a tracking number? Send me a PM if you got left behind.
I have the tracking number of what's coming to me and the lateness has been well communicated and OK'd by me and is the result of Paul wanting to send me more and better beer. So I'm all good for sure.

aye - I wasn't happy with the local beers that were available to me at the time, and I was headed over to Cigar City last weekend so I asked pete if he'd be okay with waiting so I get him some limited release bombers.  similar to Jonathan who let me know that he'd be going to get fresh releases of some of the beers he was sending and i was more than happy to wait  8)  should be getting mine today and pete should be getting his tomorrow.
Nothing better than getting a Box O' Beer and Mead on a Friday! :)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on November 05, 2015, 07:28:43 PM

I just wanted to chime in and let my swap buddy know that I will be shipping my package tomorrow. This swap led to the purchase of my first Blichmann Beer Gun. I have been bottling directly from my keezer faucet in the past with slight oxidation issues. Well the inner perfectionist in me didn't want my first homebrew swap to go half ass....hence the beer gun


(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/04/776b54a02ea73440ee3df2ff67cd7a6e.jpg)

looking forward to it.

Package is in the mail, it should be there by Monday.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 06, 2015, 07:24:48 PM
I just opened another beer from Ynotbrusum, this one marked Flanders Red (bretted).  It presents with a small foam stand, but the head is persistent and leaves nice legs in the glass.  Beautiful burgundy color; very clear.  Aroma has some cherry esters and a little farmhouse funk.  Malt is subdued, but kind of reminds me of saltine crackers.  Flavor is sour cherries, with some Munich malt thrown in - thinking of salt water taffy for some reason.  Body and mouthfeel is a bit on the thin side, but has a tongue coating sourness that lingers into the finish.

Nice Flanders.  I would like a little more body, but I know how hard it is to accomplish that with this style.  I can probably assume that this was fuller and more carbonated on tap before bottling.

Thanks!  I am enjoying this exchange.

Thanks, Jeff.  Yes, that one was a Solera blend from a prior tart cherry wine base addition to a 5 gallon bourbon barrel and its body is quite light.  Next time my blending might get this a bit more full using a different ratio on the base blends.

I will be intentional about getting to a couple more of your brews this weekend and post on them.  Agreed that this swap was a great idea and I look forward to more in the future (and to time my beers a bit better to allow some bottle conditioning rather than solely bottling off the keg).
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on November 07, 2015, 02:31:41 AM
Mikes (surfinmikeg) triple reef ale.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/06/66a9964ac616e7d2b3c92ff793a3cdd4.jpg)



pour is 2 finger head that dissapates to white/tan cap after 5 minutes. hazy reddish brown color. aroma is somewhat nutty like brown ale, with little to no hop aroma. body is light to medium with good carbonation. not sure what im picking up in hop flavor here. its somewhat herbal and spicey and it lingers in the finish. not at all familiar with hallertau blanc, but its interesting and unique. the finish is dry and crisp with hints of crystal malt.
nicely done ale, that while different is actually quite pleasing and drinkable as you keep sipping it. nice beer Mike!
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on November 07, 2015, 04:41:56 PM
We shared the Oakshire Overcast Espresso Stout last night, per Myles' request. (It's been taunting him in the fridge since it arrived. :) )

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/07/d2150320d950e8c58d50e3a795ab2321.jpg)

Fantastic beer, Jim. Thank you for sending it. It fit well with the weather here as it finally turned from mid 60s to the upper 40s yesterday.

The aroma is full of dark chocolate, French roast coffee, and dates. Flavor follows aroma with additional oat silkiness. Quite a great beer. I reached for another pour only find out the bottle was empty. Almost makes me wish I didn't share it... almost. :)

We also had the Hop Lava from Double Mountain a few nights ago after a rough day at work. I think Myles summed that one up best, "This is exactly what Hop Lava should smell like." I thought it was a really great expression of two of the original American hops, Cascade and Centennial.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on November 07, 2015, 10:09:03 PM
Mikes (surfinmikeg) triple reef ale.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/06/66a9964ac616e7d2b3c92ff793a3cdd4.jpg)



pour is 2 finger head that dissapates to white/tan cap after 5 minutes. hazy reddish brown color. aroma is somewhat nutty like brown ale, with little to no hop aroma. body is light to medium with good carbonation. not sure what im picking up in hop flavor here. its somewhat herbal and spicey and it lingers in the finish. not at all familiar with hallertau blanc, but its interesting and unique. the finish is dry and crisp with hints of crystal malt.
nicely done ale, that while different is actually quite pleasing and drinkable as you keep sipping it. nice beer Mike!

Hey Ken!  Thanks for this review, as well as the previous one on the chocolate raspberry porter. 

I have to say that I've gleaned quite a bit from the conversations of Swap-tobertfest, thanks again to Jim for organizing.  It's clear that I need to try a Pilsner with '830 a la the brewing notes Frank passed along, as well as trying whirlpool additions on just about everything.  I'm not there with sours yet, but see the passion with which others appear to be creating awesome brews.

The background on this one is kinda funny.  It was for a future brother-in-law where I needed to have a good brewday with him.   I made a bunch of 1 gallon test batches ahead of time (variations on a Fat Tire), then had him tastes grains to pick and choose before crushing and brewing, as well as smoking meats on BBQ all day long.

All the grain choices are on a whim (Pils, C120, Victory, Vienna), I could see where if I got the ratios right it could be super nice.  When it came to choosing hops, Hallertau Blanc was the more unknown and experimental of what I had on-hand; I'm not sure what it would be best in but people seem like it.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 07, 2015, 11:27:33 PM
We shared the Oakshire Overcast Espresso Stout last night, per Myles' request. (It's been taunting him in the fridge since it arrived. :) )

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/07/d2150320d950e8c58d50e3a795ab2321.jpg)

Fantastic beer, Jim. Thank you for sending it. It fit well with the weather here as it finally turned from mid 60s to the upper 40s yesterday.

The aroma is full of dark chocolate, French roast coffee, and dates. Flavor follows aroma with additional oat silkiness. Quite a great beer. I reached for another pour only find out the bottle was empty. Almost makes me wish I didn't share it... almost. :)

We also had the Hop Lava from Double Mountain a few nights ago after a rough day at work. I think Myles summed that one up best, "This is exactly what Hop Lava should smell like." I thought it was a really great expression of two of the original American hops, Cascade and Centennial.
Double Mountain is one of those breweries that struggles with consistency. (And probably verified by you brief but polite review) Hop Lava is my favorite of their lineup, but even it has good days and bad days. Their Kölsch is classic if you want to teach new judges what yeasty is. It is usually like a carbonated year old smack pack. I avoid it.

Did I send you a pFriem Pilsner? I think it won Gold at GABF for German Pils this year.



CORRECTION pFriem got a Silver
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on November 07, 2015, 11:49:43 PM
I actually enjoyed Hop Lava. We just drank it after a tough day, so taking written notes was pretty low on my priorities. :)

I do not have that Pilsner, but I do have an IPL from Base Camp. We actually went to Base Camp on our honeymoon, but only had the smores stout.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 08, 2015, 12:18:05 AM
I actually enjoyed Hop Lava. We just drank it after a tough day, so taking written notes was pretty low on my priorities. :)

I do not have that Pilsner, but I do have an IPL from Base Camp. We actually went to Base Camp on our honeymoon, but only had the smores stout.
Bummer, I thought I did. I'll try to keep that in mind, maybe send you one for suffering through that Dunkel I sent LOL
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on November 08, 2015, 06:56:38 PM
Here's a report on another of ynotbrusum's (Jerry Hodge's) home brews, this one the Kentucky Common. 
(I had to read up on this historical style since I'm not too familiar with it and don't think I've had an "authentic" example.)
He included a note about low fill and being bottled from a keg, which somewhat explains the low pour and minimal carbonation.  I bet this beer is much more authentic on tap at the source.
This beer is kind of a cross between a Northern English Brown Ale and a Munich Dunkel.  It is medium brown in color (light chestnut) with very good clarity and has a nice nutty (thinking walnut) malt aroma and flavor, very little hop aroma, a slight noble/current hop flavor and just enough bitterness to balance the malt.  Fermentation is clean, with little to no esters or alcohol heat.
I like it.  It fits the bjcp description really well except for the carbonation.
Thanks, Jerry!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on November 08, 2015, 07:21:11 PM

Mikes (surfinmikeg) triple reef ale.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/06/66a9964ac616e7d2b3c92ff793a3cdd4.jpg)



pour is 2 finger head that dissapates to white/tan cap after 5 minutes. hazy reddish brown color. aroma is somewhat nutty like brown ale, with little to no hop aroma. body is light to medium with good carbonation. not sure what im picking up in hop flavor here. its somewhat herbal and spicey and it lingers in the finish. not at all familiar with hallertau blanc, but its interesting and unique. the finish is dry and crisp with hints of crystal malt.
nicely done ale, that while different is actually quite pleasing and drinkable as you keep sipping it. nice beer Mike!

Hey Ken!  Thanks for this review, as well as the previous one on the chocolate raspberry porter. 

I have to say that I've gleaned quite a bit from the conversations of Swap-tobertfest, thanks again to Jim for organizing.  It's clear that I need to try a Pilsner with '830 a la the brewing notes Frank passed along, as well as trying whirlpool additions on just about everything.  I'm not there with sours yet, but see the passion with which others appear to be creating awesome brews.

The background on this one is kinda funny.  It was for a future brother-in-law where I needed to have a good brewday with him.   I made a bunch of 1 gallon test batches ahead of time (variations on a Fat Tire), then had him tastes grains to pick and choose before crushing and brewing, as well as smoking meats on BBQ all day long.

All the grain choices are on a whim (Pils, C120, Victory, Vienna), I could see where if I got the ratios right it could be super nice.  When it came to choosing hops, Hallertau Blanc was the more unknown and experimental of what I had on-hand; I'm not sure what it would be best in but people seem like it.

Yes it was an interesting g hop.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on November 09, 2015, 04:09:47 PM
I had the pleasure of trying another one of AmandaK's beers this past Saturday. For starters, the beer blew my SWMBO and I away. The beer was a nice light brown in color, like a mid range, maybe around 18srm ish. There was little to no hop aroma or flavor. The aroma and taste was all dark, fruity flavors, hard for me to put a name to them. There was definitely a good deal of maltiness to the brew that really did not come off as sweetness, just malty goodness. I got no sense of alcohol warmth at all in aroma or flavor. This was a very smooth drinking, refreshing, delicious beer. Amanda says it was the result of a club group brew where there were different groups to each come up with a recipe to fit the theme of "Imperialize It." Her group chose to imperialize a saison. Her notes to me when I was confused about what I was tasting said that it was over 2 years old, and had been hot and boozy when young, but really coming into its own. 3711 took the 1.113OG down to 1.009 for well over 13%. I let her know that to me, it drinks like an aged barleywine in maltyness, or perhaps a doppelbock as there was no noticeable hop characteristics that I could detect. This beer was nothing like what I would have expected from a 13% saison(but only because of my pre-conceived notions of what the BJCP says a saison should be) but it was wonderful to drink. If she had sent me 6 bottles of this, and no other homebrews, the swap would have been well worth it. Instead, I got one of these and many other of her wonderful, award winning homebrews. Last up to the plate will be her Wedding Toast Brew, that will have to wait for the weekend (750ml bottle.) thanks again @AmandaK this swap was a great experience for me.
ps, Amanda was also kind enough to include some of her brewing notes for the 13+% saison that I have already entered into beersmith as something I would love to brew, in other words, my scoresheet would have ended with "I want the recipe for this brew!" Welll done @AmandaK!
pps: forgot that there is also a Crooked Stave "Surrette(?)" to try still as well
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on November 10, 2015, 07:08:00 AM
Two Roads Ol Factory Pilsner from RI. Another tasty east coaster. Clean, dry, Pilsner malt backbone with a sturdy lemony citrus hopping. Dandy beer! Thanks Eric!


Looked it up to see if they listed hops. They don't. I'm guessing some Willamette is in there. Noticed that it won silver this year at GABF.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 10, 2015, 12:18:11 PM
Two Roads Ol Factory Pilsner from RI. Another tasty east coaster. Clean, dry, Pilsner malt backbone with a sturdy lemony citrus hopping. Dandy beer! Thanks Eric!


Looked it up to see if they listed hops. They don't. I'm guessing some Willamette is in there. Noticed that it won silver this year at GABF.
I like that one too. Even though Eric sent it from RI its from next door in Connecticut. I'm sure when you Westerners look at a map you mistake our states for counties.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on November 10, 2015, 03:03:33 PM
I like that one too. Even though Eric sent it from RI its from next door in Connecticut. I'm sure when you Westerners look at a map you mistake our states for counties.

Two Roads also brews some Lawson's beer, so even some VT beer is CT beer.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 10, 2015, 04:44:38 PM
I like that one too. Even though Eric sent it from RI its from next door in Connecticut. I'm sure when you Westerners look at a map you mistake our states for counties.

Two Roads also brews some Lawson's beer, so even some VT beer is CT beer.  ;)
yup. Two roads makes solid beer. haven't been blown away but haven't been terribly disappointed either.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 11, 2015, 01:28:25 AM
Sitting down with a Rye Pumpkin Saison from heavydeadlifts

At first the yeast spice flavors came out above anything else then a solid clove, pie spice character and a mild squashy pumpkin flavor edged in. Not hot but a pleasant warming sensation. Medium high creamy mouthfeel.

Any additional spicing is well balanced with the yeast phenols to the point where I keep questioning myself, is that spice or yeast? The body is light and refreshing while still really giving an autumnal harvest beer impression. a nice sipper but easy to quaff as well.

Very well done. looking forward to the others. Although they might have to wait till the weekend given the high alcohol content.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 11, 2015, 02:35:36 AM
Jeffy's IPA - another winner

Piney, citrusy, slight grapefruit hop aromas; countered with rich maltiness on the nose late

Lingering head - full 3 fingers with rocky texture and off-white hue; major lacing and clear Amber color

Initial bitterness, slight grassiness clears away as it is swallowed.  Malt balance comes to the fore on second sip and aftertaste; not overly caramelly sweet - preferred - but sweetness that exists appears to come from the alcohol and is fleeting and acceptable; not hot or solvent though; slightest of smokiness very late

Fairly dry and crisp, but not watery; tingly on back and sides of tongue from carbonation; medium light body; well fermented to set up complexity on the palate as the multiple hops/complex hop works to assert their respective profiles in concert with the malt bill.

Overall, an enjoyable IPA; not overboard with bittering, yet assertive, late hops/dry hops with residual hop oils are very noticeable on the late palate to bring a nice finish to an overall very enjoyable IPA.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on November 11, 2015, 02:49:07 AM

Sitting down with a Rye Pumpkin Saison from heavydeadlifts

At first the yeast spice flavors came out above anything else then a solid clove, pie spice character and a mild squashy pumpkin flavor edged in. Not hot but a pleasant warming sensation. Medium high creamy mouthfeel.

Any additional spicing is well balanced with the yeast phenols to the point where I keep questioning myself, is that spice or yeast? The body is light and refreshing while still really giving an autumnal harvest beer impression. a nice sipper but easy to quaff as well.

Very well done. looking forward to the others. Although they might have to wait till the weekend given the high alcohol content.
Thanks for the review (and don't be afraid to bash my beers either)

I thought the yeast phenols and spices played very well together, I got the idea for that beer from a local brewery's "farmhouse pumpkin" they make every year. I used 6lbs of sugar pie pumpkin crushed up in the mash after halving them and roasting in the oven until the sugars caramelized. 60% 2 row, 30% rye malt, 5% brown malt and 5% brown sugar

The other two I sent you will definitely age well and seem to be getting better every week I've tasted them from my keezer, so no rush at all! There is a considerable amount of Brett influence  in the wild ale which as you know will change things over time, thanks again!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 11, 2015, 03:07:27 AM
Commercial brew Jeffy sent from Tampa Bay Brewing Company - called Reef Donkey, an APA:

2014  GABF bronze winner definitely displays its worthiness of the accolades.  Lemony citrus aroma, creamy malt mouthfeel and medium body.  Gold colored quaffer that offers solid bitterness with nice malt balance.  Hop forward enough to definitely fit the style, but not a tongue scraper.  Solid brew with great water profile to let everything shine through.  The side of the can says it all "Draft Beer to Your Face". Yep right down the pie hole.....
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on November 11, 2015, 03:09:15 AM
Jeffy's IPA - another winner

Piney, citrusy, slight grapefruit hop aromas; countered with rich maltiness on the nose late

Lingering head - full 3 fingers with rocky texture and off-white hue; major lacing and clear Amber color

Initial bitterness, slight grassiness clears away as it is swallowed.  Malt balance comes to the fore on second sip and aftertaste; not overly caramelly sweet - preferred - but sweetness that exists appears to come from the alcohol and is fleeting and acceptable; not hot or solvent though; slightest of smokiness very late

Fairly dry and crisp, but not watery; tingly on back and sides of tongue from carbonation; medium light body; well fermented to set up complexity on the palate as the multiple hops/complex hop works to assert their respective profiles in concert with the malt bill.

Overall, an enjoyable IPA; not overboard with bittering, yet assertive, late hops/dry hops with residual hop oils are very noticeable on the late palate to bring a nice finish to an overall very enjoyable IPA.
Glad you liked it.  I liked it pretty well too.  It was 52% Wyerman Pils, 28% Best Pils, 20% Wyerman Munich; 30 IBUs Ahatanum at 60', 25 IBUs Newport at 60', 3.25 ounces of unmarked hops at 10', dry hopped with Amarillo.  1056 yeast 1.068 OG.  "Unknown IPA" because I was utilizing anonymous hops from my freezer.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 11, 2015, 03:14:41 AM
I would have put Amarillo in there for the late hop and maybe something like Mosaic as your mystery hop?

I suggest rebrewing a batch at a time until you work through all available hops to identify the mystery hop.  I am willing to judge them and would consider a road trip!  Hah!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on November 11, 2015, 02:26:27 PM
Commercial brew Jeffy sent from Tampa Bay Brewing Company - called Reef Donkey, an APA:

2014  GABF bronze winner definitely displays its worthiness of the accolades.  Lemony citrus aroma, creamy malt mouthfeel and medium body.  Gold colored quaffer that offers solid bitterness with nice malt balance.  Hop forward enough to definitely fit the style, but not a tongue scraper.  Solid brew with great water profile to let everything shine through.  The side of the can says it all "Draft Beer to Your Face". Yep right down the pie hole.....

Reef Donkey is a very solid beer.  I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on November 11, 2015, 05:00:32 PM
Commercial brew Jeffy sent from Tampa Bay Brewing Company - called Reef Donkey, an APA:

2014  GABF bronze winner definitely displays its worthiness of the accolades.  Lemony citrus aroma, creamy malt mouthfeel and medium body.  Gold colored quaffer that offers solid bitterness with nice malt balance.  Hop forward enough to definitely fit the style, but not a tongue scraper.  Solid brew with great water profile to let everything shine through.  The side of the can says it all "Draft Beer to Your Face". Yep right down the pie hole.....

Reef Donkey is a very solid beer.  I like it a lot.
It is one of my current favorites.  I'm getting a little tired of IPAs all the time.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on November 12, 2015, 04:40:37 AM
Had Crooked Stave's  Surette  the tonight, courtesy of @AmandaK. This was a wonderful brew. Great aroma of tart citrus followed into the taste. Label says nice tart and vinous character from extended aging in barrels. This was a great selection to send, thanks @AmandaK
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on November 14, 2015, 10:49:55 PM
Quick Review: New England Bitter - Pete B

Bottle conditioned. Slightly over carbonated. Pours a really cool deep reddish brown with a craggy off white head that sticks around for a bit. Aroma is slightly nutty, sweet candy with a mild floral note. A tiny bit of biscuity graininess. Substantial body with a slightly grainy finish. Very low hints of toffee, no toast, medium biscuit. No DMS and no perceivable butter/diacetyl despite the toffee notes. Incredibly well balanced between the hop bitterness and malts with restrained fruity esters. The flavors and aromas intensify slightly

I am not sure of the hops used, but this is better than a few pints of bitter or mild I have had in the UK. If the measure of a bitter is drink-ability - this has it, and I wish this was on cask somewhere nearby!

Well done! Nice welcome home drink after my trip to CA.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 15, 2015, 01:13:34 AM
Quick Review: New England Bitter - Pete B

Bottle conditioned. Slightly over carbonated. Pours a really cool deep reddish brown with a craggy off white head that sticks around for a bit. Aroma is slightly nutty, sweet candy with a mild floral note. A tiny bit of biscuity graininess. Substantial body with a slightly grainy finish. Very low hints of toffee, no toast, medium biscuit. No DMS and no perceivable butter/diacetyl despite the toffee notes. Incredibly well balanced between the hop bitterness and malts with restrained fruity esters. The flavors and aromas intensify slightly

I am not sure of the hops used, but this is better than a few pints of bitter or mild I have had in the UK. If the measure of a bitter is drink-ability - this has it, and I wish this was on cask somewhere nearby!

Well done! Nice welcome home drink after my trip to CA.
Glad you liked it Matt. That beer went really fast, it was drinkable for sure and at 4.2% ABV I thought it was pretty malty. I made the beer on a whim to try out my share I bought of local malt from valley malt. It was 80% pale, 20% Munich. It was way overcarbed for a bitter but since I was already off the style with the American malts I decided to go for it with the carbonation to enhance mouth feel. The hops were northern brewer for 60 min and EKG in a whirlpool. If you had it younger I think you would have picked up some black tea from the EKG.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on November 15, 2015, 03:06:40 AM
It was seriously good. I have spent a LOT of time in Sheffield, and this was satisfying and familiar. Really a good job!


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 15, 2015, 08:08:01 PM
heavydeadlift Tart Cherry wild ale:

I was impressed with the barely perceptable alcohol in an 11+% beer. The cherry flavor and aroma were restrained but present. Sourness was at a minimum where it was tartness and accenuated the cherry without being puckering.

Unfortunatly either the water was not fully de-chlorinated or you got some highly alcohol tolerant oxidizing yeast in there because there was a very strong chlorophenol character in both the aroma and flavor that was really hard to get past.

It was a bummer because other than that one flaw this was a really nice wild ale and the fruit was supported by the body and fullness on the mouthfeel which at 1.001 final gravity was all from alcohol and carbonation. Again, this was a really drinkable beer. something that would be totally at home in a champagne flute for a special occasion except for the medicinal note. I would have loved to taste it a couple weeks ago if this was a new note or something introduced in the bottle. way more drinkable than three philosophers or similar subtle fruit beers.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on November 16, 2015, 12:34:06 AM

heavydeadlift Tart Cherry wild ale:

I was impressed with the barely perceptable alcohol in an 11+% beer. The cherry flavor and aroma were restrained but present. Sourness was at a minimum where it was tartness and accenuated the cherry without being puckering.

Unfortunatly either the water was not fully de-chlorinated or you got some highly alcohol tolerant oxidizing yeast in there because there was a very strong chlorophenol character in both the aroma and flavor that was really hard to get past.

It was a bummer because other than that one flaw this was a really nice wild ale and the fruit was supported by the body and fullness on the mouthfeel which at 1.001 final gravity was all from alcohol and carbonation. Again, this was a really drinkable beer. something that would be totally at home in a champagne flute for a special occasion except for the medicinal note. I would have loved to taste it a couple weeks ago if this was a new note or something introduced in the bottle. way more drinkable than three philosophers or similar subtle fruit beers.

Son of a nutcracker....as I am trying to remember the process for that beer, I know I used 2 campden tabs, one in the mash water and one in sparge water

And now that I think about it, the secondary carboy I racked that beer in to referment with a bottle of tart cherry concentrate had been just deep cleaned for a few days soaking in a mixture of oxyclean and a touch of bleach. I remember rinsing the heck out of it after dumping the solution and then spraying it down with star san. Maybe that is the culprit....

To be honest I didn't pick that up until after I read your post and went out to the keezer to grab a taste....now it smacks me in the face

Is it possible for chlorophenol off notes to build up over time? Or is it really just a one time reaction? I know it wasn't that apparent to me when it was kegged, but then again my beer off flavor palate is still developing so it may have been there all along. It seems that the brett "funk" character has pretty much dropped out at this point in the keg as well...

Anywho, thanks for the feedback
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on November 16, 2015, 12:40:29 AM

heavydeadlift Tart Cherry wild ale:

I was impressed with the barely perceptable alcohol in an 11+% beer. The cherry flavor and aroma were restrained but present. Sourness was at a minimum where it was tartness and accenuated the cherry without being puckering.

Unfortunatly either the water was not fully de-chlorinated or you got some highly alcohol tolerant oxidizing yeast in there because there was a very strong chlorophenol character in both the aroma and flavor that was really hard to get past.

It was a bummer because other than that one flaw this was a really nice wild ale and the fruit was supported by the body and fullness on the mouthfeel which at 1.001 final gravity was all from alcohol and carbonation. Again, this was a really drinkable beer. something that would be totally at home in a champagne flute for a special occasion except for the medicinal note. I would have loved to taste it a couple weeks ago if this was a new note or something introduced in the bottle. way more drinkable than three philosophers or similar subtle fruit beers.

Son of a nutcracker....as I am trying to remember the process for that beer, I know I used 2 campden tabs, one in the mash water and one in sparge water

And now that I think about it, the secondary carboy I racked that beer in to referment with a bottle of tart cherry concentrate had been just deep cleaned for a few days soaking in a mixture of oxyclean and a touch of bleach. I remember rinsing the heck out of it after dumping the solution and then spraying it down with star san. Maybe that is the culprit....

To be honest I didn't pick that up until after I read your post and went out to the keezer to grab a taste....now it smacks me in the face

Is it possible for chlorophenol off notes to build up over time? Or is it really just a one time reaction? I know it wasn't that apparent to me when it was kegged, but then again my beer off flavor palate is still developing so it may have been there all along. It seems that the brett "funk" character has pretty much dropped out at this point in the keg as well...

Anywho, thanks for the feedback
To be clear, except for that one fault this was a really good beer. Getting a big beer to be that smooth and easy to drink is a big deal. There are contaminant organisms that can cause the medicinal off flavor. It also a process involving the yeast so it could get worse over time. It sounds like your process was sound so I'm guessing this is just a case of a wild ale getting a bit too wild.

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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on November 16, 2015, 01:28:53 AM


heavydeadlift Tart Cherry wild ale:

I was impressed with the barely perceptable alcohol in an 11+% beer. The cherry flavor and aroma were restrained but present. Sourness was at a minimum where it was tartness and accenuated the cherry without being puckering.

Unfortunatly either the water was not fully de-chlorinated or you got some highly alcohol tolerant oxidizing yeast in there because there was a very strong chlorophenol character in both the aroma and flavor that was really hard to get past.

It was a bummer because other than that one flaw this was a really nice wild ale and the fruit was supported by the body and fullness on the mouthfeel which at 1.001 final gravity was all from alcohol and carbonation. Again, this was a really drinkable beer. something that would be totally at home in a champagne flute for a special occasion except for the medicinal note. I would have loved to taste it a couple weeks ago if this was a new note or something introduced in the bottle. way more drinkable than three philosophers or similar subtle fruit beers.

Son of a nutcracker....as I am trying to remember the process for that beer, I know I used 2 campden tabs, one in the mash water and one in sparge water

And now that I think about it, the secondary carboy I racked that beer in to referment with a bottle of tart cherry concentrate had been just deep cleaned for a few days soaking in a mixture of oxyclean and a touch of bleach. I remember rinsing the heck out of it after dumping the solution and then spraying it down with star san. Maybe that is the culprit....

To be honest I didn't pick that up until after I read your post and went out to the keezer to grab a taste....now it smacks me in the face

Is it possible for chlorophenol off notes to build up over time? Or is it really just a one time reaction? I know it wasn't that apparent to me when it was kegged, but then again my beer off flavor palate is still developing so it may have been there all along. It seems that the brett "funk" character has pretty much dropped out at this point in the keg as well...

Anywho, thanks for the feedback
To be clear, except for that one fault this was a really good beer. Getting a big beer to be that smooth and easy to drink is a big deal. There are contaminant organisms that can cause the medicinal off flavor. It also a process involving the yeast so it could get worse over time. It sounds like your process was sound so I'm guessing this is just a case of a wild ale getting a bit too wild.

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Cool, thanks again.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 20, 2015, 09:40:55 PM
So after having to send it to me twice due to a damaged package Paul's (BLATZ) package arrived safely yesterday. It was a very generous offering of 3 Cigar City Brewing beers: a double stout with coffee and cacoa nibs, and old ale with molasses (both bombers), and 2 cans of a red ale. The homebrews were a raspberry mead, a mojito mead, a dortmunder, an Octoberfest, and a Red DIPA.
Today after leaving work early to start the weekend we had a nice walk in the woods with the dog and relaxed with a glass of Paul's Mojito Mead. It poured a nice deep golden color with medium clarity, not cloudy, not crystal clear. It was still, as expected. A swirl of the glass showed off some nice legs. I got lime juice and floral honey in the aroma. I didn't pick up much mint in the aroma but my girlfriend did. The flavor was lime with honey and sweetness that was not cloying. The mint shows up nicely near the end, and after a few sips lingers. It was a nice fresh mint flavor, not "mint flavor". The mint flavor was fairly assertive as I drank more in a very good way. There was no alcohol heat, in fact it was an easy drinker. We were sad to be finished with it. My girlfriend has been making mead for twenty years and has taught quite a few people how to make it and is pretty apprehensive about trying other people's mead and she thought this was great. Its very well done and I certainly would like the recipe or at least the method and amount for the mint.   
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on November 21, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Thanks pete!  Sorry it wasn't crystal clear - usually is but maybe stirred up being shipped back and forth to New England lol.

Will post the recipe later when I have my notes - fresh Florida key limes help though!  Glad you enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 22, 2015, 01:37:44 AM
Thanks pete!  Sorry it wasn't crystal clear - usually is but maybe stirred up being shipped back and forth to New England lol.

Will post the recipe later when I have my notes - fresh Florida key limes help though!  Glad you enjoyed it.
That mead had quite a trip. If I knew I would like it so much I would have sent you a check for a couple dozen limes! We can get pretty lousy limes up here but they seem to prevent scurvy when mixed with gin.
We had the beers from Cigar City over the previous two nights and they were all excellent. I particularly appreciated the Old Ale with Molasses, that was cool.

So I just had your Dortmunder and WOW! I'm not familiar with the style because I don't see it around here but I like German lagers in general and this was one of the best I have had. It poured a deep gold, less pale than I expected and was very clear with a thin, snow white head that dissipated but laced the glass. The aroma was sweetish grain with hops aroma that I can't identify. The flavor was grain with a definite but restrained sweetness finishing off slightly dry with a pleasant bitterness that made me want another sip. I may have gotten a tiny dms on the first two sips, which I actually miss if not present in a German lager. I definitely did not get dms after that initial fleeting taste so maybe it was wishful thinking? I wonder if you got it? The carbonation was nice, just enough to accentuate the refreshing crispness. This beer was balanced everywhere: the malt itself between sweetness and grain, the malt and bitterness, the sweetness in the middle of the mouth followed by relative dryness and bitter. Honestly this was one of the most well made homebrews I have had and I have not had too many commercial lagers I have liked better.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on November 22, 2015, 11:55:43 PM
Wow very glad you liked it.  Ironically i just sadly kicked the last keg of the Dortmunder this afternoon watching football.  Really glad you liked it - it is a favorite of mine.

I did indeed get a smidgin of corn/dms when first poured but it fades quickly.  Not to sure why as I don't get it in my pils and I follow the same exact procedure in that as the fort but oh well.  Will post the Mojito tomorrow when am at a desktop.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 23, 2015, 12:13:58 AM
I'm serious about liking what I did detect. There's a reason its allowable in the style. To me its a memory of some amazing beer I had in the past.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on November 24, 2015, 04:14:02 PM
Mojito Mead

~4gal RO Water (enough to make 5 gal into the fermentor) - 50:50 gypsum and CaCl to get Ca up to 50ppm.

18# Orange Blossom honey
6oz fresh squeezed key lime juice
yeast nutrient
10oz bruised spearmint leaves.
wyeast sweet mead yeast.

potassium metabisulfate followed by potassium sorbate to halt fermentation.


bring water up to about 180-90, add all honey, lime juice and yeast nutrient, let sit at 160 for 30 min to pasteurize.

chill and rack to fermenter.  oxygenate for 90 seconds and pitch yeast.  ferment mid to high 60s.

I like to get the gravity down to about 1.026-1.030 and then use campden and sorbate to ensure it has halted.

rack to keg or other secondary.  age as long as you like - I did about 6months before I "dry minted" with a hop bag and the bruised mint leaves. 

package and enjoy - it gets better for years - the one pete had is over 3 years old.  the lime and mint balance will shift over time, but its still a good ager.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on November 24, 2015, 04:23:01 PM
I think I have judged that mead.  It was excellent.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on November 24, 2015, 04:24:39 PM
I think I have judged that mead.  It was excellent.

indeed you have - and scored it very well!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 24, 2015, 04:42:34 PM
I'm impressed by how fresh the mint tasted. I might add lime zest to the "dry minting" to see if the lime could be as fresh and bright as the mint over time.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on November 24, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
Mojito Mead

~4gal RO Water (enough to make 5 gal into the fermentor) - 50:50 gypsum and CaCl to get Ca up to 50ppm.

18# Orange Blossom honey
6oz fresh squeezed key lime juice
yeast nutrient
10oz bruised spearmint leaves.
wyeast sweet mead yeast.

potassium metabisulfate followed by potassium sorbate to halt fermentation.


bring water up to about 180-90, add all honey, lime juice and yeast nutrient, let sit at 160 for 30 min to pasteurize.

chill and rack to fermenter.  oxygenate for 90 seconds and pitch yeast.  ferment mid to high 60s.

I like to get the gravity down to about 1.026-1.030 and then use campden and sorbate to ensure it has halted.

rack to keg or other secondary.  age as long as you like - I did about 6months before I "dry minted" with a hop bag and the bruised mint leaves. 

package and enjoy - it gets better for years - the one pete had is over 3 years old.  the lime and mint balance will shift over time, but its still a good ager.

wow how much does 18#of honey run!

so how does one drink this stuff- pour a pint or is it a short glass sipper?  never had mead.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on November 24, 2015, 08:00:51 PM
wow how much does 18#of honey run!

so how does one drink this stuff- pour a pint or is it a short glass sipper?  never had mead.

yeah - it is not cheap, but there are a few farms in the middle of the state that have awesome honey for relatively reasonable prices, can't recall what I paid last time. 

I use short scotch taster glasses or sometimes wine glasses.  And being that I don't carbonate them, its nice as you can open a bottle and if you are careful, have a little bit over a few weeks before it starts to oxidize.

I don't drink mead often, every now and then, but its also nice to have for people who want to "try something you made" but are more wine than beer oriented.

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 24, 2015, 08:44:28 PM
We drink it regularly, either with meals or on its own. Basically we drink it like wine because it is wine. You can make it similar to any wine style by using different ingredients, including yeasts, and different gravities. We generally use white wine yeasts for traditional (honey only), peach, apple (cyser). pear, etc. and red wine yeasts for melomels with berries: mixed berry, blueberry, raspberry, cranberry etc. You can make sessionable meads to port strength. We make mixed berry meads that drink like dry reds, peach melomel that we drink chilled in the summer, port strength spiced elderberry that we drink in snifters in the winter etc. We make dandelion mead, rhubarb mead, and all sorts of herbal meads (methlegin). Even rhodamel with rose petals and raspberries.
Its best to get honey from a local beekeeper or apiary in bulk. This year we harvested 100 pounds from our hives, but when we don't have a good honey year we get 60# buckets from a guy we know for $200.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 27, 2015, 01:12:02 PM
I had Paul's Octoberfest and Raspberry Mead last weekend.
I wish I had taken a picture of the mead. It was very clear and a brilliant ruby red. The raspberry aroma was awesome and the raspberry flavor came through nicely with just a touch of honey sweetness. There was an acidity which probably helped the raspberry flavor pop out. No alcohol heat. A very nice mead.
I should have taken notes on the Octoberfest. I intended to post that night but didn't get to it. I do remember a nice orange color, very clear and a malty aroma. Also nice bitter/malty balance. It was very easy drinking.
I was fortunate to have Paul sending me his brews. They were all well made and fun to drink. He was also very generous with amounts.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on November 29, 2015, 11:09:47 PM
Pete B's 2013 Cyser

Been saving this, but felt the need today for something apple-y. This is 2 years old - and shows well in the glass. Pours a pure still pale gold with incredibly long and slow legs. The aroma is apple and cinnamon, almost a mild mulling spice, but not overpowering. The taste is both boozy and dry, but not off putting. It is kind of hard to imagine a mulled hard apple cider without sweetness, and this is it - the alcohol is warming, in the mouth and stomach. The spice lingers while a bit of apple tannin and crispness dances around on the tongue. Maybe the slightest hint of oxidation, but that may help with a tiny bit of caramel in the background. Acid balance is pretty good at medium high.

Really nice - something I like. Assertive, big brash flavors and aromas, like a young bourbon. No off flavors. Another mead really well done. Something tells me it is a good thing I don't have this on a tap... I would be trashed pretty quickly, and continuously till the keg kicked.

I may hang onto that bottle from Pretty Things since I heard they are closing shop... still eyeing up the Spencer. Maybe if Denver pulls out a win tonight!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 30, 2015, 12:26:31 AM
Yay! I'm glad you liked it! I really wasn't sure if this would be appreciated with all the attention to session meads lately. I'm glad there are folks out there who appreciate what alcohol heat and oxidation can do over time. There was no spice added to this mead, but I know what you mean. I think that's alcohol warmth,tannin, plus emotional expectation that smells and tastes of cinnamon.
I assumed correctly, and looked up to confirm, that the Denver game reference meant that they were playing the patriots. I may not watch TV but I'm nothing if not provincial so I hope that the Spencer waits for another day.
But on second thought its better fresh. Please feel free to use it to drown your sorrows.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on November 30, 2015, 12:48:59 AM
I also had one of my swap beers this evening, Black Bretty (saison) from Jerry aka ynotbrusum.  This one had about 3/4 inch of fruit sediment at the bottom of the bottle, so I was warned to be very careful on pouring.  I got a full glass of bright, clear, cranberry-red-colored beer with almost no head.  It looked a bit effervescent.  Very pretty.
Aroma was fruit (difficult to identify, but berry-like) and sour, and very pleasant; inviting. No vinegar, mostly lactic sourness and some Brett funk.  I checked the notes and found that the fruit used was indeed blackberry, which came through more in the taste.
Flavor had low malt character, fairly strong lactic/Brett sourness along with the berries and just a hint of enteric in the finish.
Tart finish, with a bit of bark-like astringency in the aftertaste and light body.  Sourness  was mouth coating especially in the aftertaste.
I liked this beer a lot.  I wish that I had opened it with the turkey feast on Thanksgiving.  It would have been perfect.
Thanks, Jerry!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on November 30, 2015, 01:16:36 AM

I assumed correctly, and looked up to confirm, that the Denver game reference meant that they were playing the patriots. I may not watch TV but I'm nothing if not provincial so I hope that the Spencer waits for another day.
But on second thought its better fresh. Please feel free to use it to drown your sorrows.

I suspect you will be right. But someone has to shock the Pats. But a Broncos win here will ensure a beating in the off season.

No spice? Amazing. Even the wife thought cinnamon sticks. She finds cassis really hot and spicy.


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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on November 30, 2015, 01:45:14 AM

I assumed correctly, and looked up to confirm, that the Denver game reference meant that they were playing the patriots. I may not watch TV but I'm nothing if not provincial so I hope that the Spencer waits for another day.
But on second thought its better fresh. Please feel free to use it to drown your sorrows.

I suspect you will be right. But someone has to shock the Pats. But a Broncos win here will ensure a beating in the off season.

No spice? Amazing. Even the wife thought cinnamon sticks. She finds cassis really hot and spicy.


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We do a spiced cyser but that wasn't it.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on December 02, 2015, 05:24:16 PM
Finally broke into the final offering from HeavyDeadLifts last night and I guess I was saving the best for last. Belgian Dark Strong. 12% ABV according to the label. Didn't drink like that. It was obviously a sipper but no hot alcohol to speak of. no sign of chlorophenol here either. Fruity, a bit spicey, nice warming sensation. very well done.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on December 02, 2015, 08:05:08 PM
Seeing these last couple posts reminds me of the fact that I am a bad swapper. I shared @AmandaK s wedding toast beer last week with the SO and a friend. It was poor timing as it was later in the evening, I did not take any notes and really only remember that we all enjoyed it. Thank you again Amanda, everything you sent was wonderful and I hope to get to that level eventually, with a lot more practice.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on December 03, 2015, 03:02:14 AM
Dang Jim, dang.  Drinking the Brett Saison now.

Presents with an amazing dusty pineapple aroma. (While that sounds weird, it's exactly what I want in a Brett Saison.) Honeycrisp apples, juicy blood orange, a touch of lemons, and bit of white pepper follows in the aroma. Myles nailed the descriptor that I couldn't: lavender. That's why it reminds me of Boulevard's Saison-Brett. Lavender. :)

Flavor follows the aroma, with a light honey flavor behind all of the things I described above. Med-low bitterness. Some sort of floral in the mid-palate. Finish is dry and lavender/honey/pineapple lingers into the aftertaste.

Light body, but medium mouthfeel. Perfect. Med-light carb. No warming or astringency.

Wow, what a beer. Myles says thank you (as do I). I only wish I had another. I know exactly who I would share it with. :)

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/02/f755751f17ebdb7a63db88f3494f76c0.jpg)

Curious, can you tell me more about the Brett in here and the time frame? I just finished a beer nearly exactly like this, so I'm curious as to how our processes compare.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on December 03, 2015, 03:41:04 AM
I also had one of my swap beers this evening, Black Bretty (saison) from Jerry aka ynotbrusum.  This one had about 3/4 inch of fruit sediment at the bottom of the bottle, so I was warned to be very careful on pouring.  I got a full glass of bright, clear, cranberry-red-colored beer with almost no head.  It looked a bit effervescent.  Very pretty.
Aroma was fruit (difficult to identify, but berry-like) and sour, and very pleasant; inviting. No vinegar, mostly lactic sourness and some Brett funk.  I checked the notes and found that the fruit used was indeed blackberry, which came through more in the taste.
Flavor had low malt character, fairly strong lactic/Brett sourness along with the berries and just a hint of enteric in the finish.
Tart finish, with a bit of bark-like astringency in the aftertaste and light body.  Sourness  was mouth coating especially in the aftertaste.
I liked this beer a lot.  I wish that I had opened it with the turkey feast on Thanksgiving.  It would have been perfect.
Thanks, Jerry!

Glad you liked it Jeff.  It was a typical saison  that was fully fermented until the Blackberry was added in the secondary with Brett Vrie - I love this strain and will be using it again with fruit.  Anyway, the Brett has rounded out nicely on the tap of this keg - it never touched any lactic, but the fruit and the Vrie gets a great complex flavor for the Brett - more so than other Brett strains.  The sour guru in my club turned me onto this new strain and everyone seems to like it in this setting with blackberries.  It takes me about 5 minutes to pour a liter, due to the blackberry residue in the keg, but I didn't want to lose that tart bang that comes from the fruit, so I racked over some extra goo just to enjoy it....

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on December 03, 2015, 04:26:45 AM
Had to give JEFF a shout out - his beers are cool!  I tried his Raised Bungalow and without more information I thought I would give an assessment from what might be a palate that is yet evolving:

Pale straw, effervescent on the pour, but fading head; potently sour, seemingly an American style of a Berliner Weisse.  After effervescence fades, you are left with a sour, yet bready aftertaste.  Lingering sourness, but not overwhelming.  Definitely a pleasant tartness that includes a pear and apple profile.  Light body. Crisp finish - but not puckering (though close).

What was this ephemeral brew?  Quaffable, yet not crazy - light.  In the end, give me more!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on December 03, 2015, 11:27:17 AM
Had to give JEFF a shout out - his beers are cool!  I tried his Raised Bungalow and without more information I thought I would give an assessment from what might be a palate that is yet evolving:

Pale straw, effervescent on the pour, but fading head; potently sour, seemingly an American style of a Berliner Weisse.  After effervescence fades, you are left with a sour, yet bready aftertaste.  Lingering sourness, but not overwhelming.  Definitely a pleasant tartness that includes a pear and apple profile.  Light body. Crisp finish - but not puckering (though close).

What was this ephemeral brew?  Quaffable, yet not crazy - light.  In the end, give me more!
That was a beer from Southern Brewing, my local homebrew supply shop and the second closest brewery to my house.  It was a "Florida Weisse" a kettle soured Berliner with prickly pears.  It won best of show this year at Best Florida Beer Championships pro competition.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 03, 2015, 12:07:07 PM
Dang Jim, dang.  Drinking the Brett Saison now.

Presents with an amazing dusty pineapple aroma. (While that sounds weird, it's exactly what I want in a Brett Saison.) Honeycrisp apples, juicy blood orange, a touch of lemons, and bit of white pepper follows in the aroma. Myles nailed the descriptor that I couldn't: lavender. That's why it reminds me of Boulevard's Saison-Brett. Lavender. :)

Flavor follows the aroma, with a light honey flavor behind all of the things I described above. Med-low bitterness. Some sort of floral in the mid-palate. Finish is dry and lavender/honey/pineapple lingers into the aftertaste.

Light body, but medium mouthfeel. Perfect. Med-light carb. No warming or astringency.

Wow, what a beer. Myles says thank you (as do I). I only wish I had another. I know exactly who I would share it with. :)

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Curious, can you tell me more about the Brett in here and the time frame? I just finished a beer nearly exactly like this, so I'm curious as to how our processes compare.
Well, what a relief! We really like that one too. Inspired by a guy across the river who has a really good commercial saison brett. But mine is really rednecked up. Not very authentic in nature. I also made one alongside the blond which is red by way of a little carafa

The blond
6 gallon batch 1.057
11lbs pils.        (2oz carafe II special for the darker version)
145 for 120 min
90 min boil
14g German Magnum @60
1 lb cane @ 15
3oz Hallertau Mittelfruh @ wirlpool 170f for 30
Wyeast belgian saison 3724 at 65, ramped to 90 over 5 days
It stalled at about 1.010 so I pitched a pack of bret lambicus wy5526, no starter.
I moved it to a spare closet. In about a month it had reached TG about 1.002/3 if I recall. Bottled it up as is, no bottling yeast.

Side note: I crashed and gell fined these beers. It seemed to work fine at the time, but in retrospect I think the gell grabbed tiny bits of pellicle which dont seem to want to fully settle. I will be skipping gellatin from now on with any pelicle beer.

These have become locked in repeater recipes for me. Im making more next june. And going to make one with kaffir lime leaves at flameout... trying to keep it real subtle. mmmm cant wait.


So, I have a six pack of the blond and the red waiting for me to decide if they might do well in 28A against all those other specialty beers...

What do you think?


By the way, the dunkel sucks. Dont waste much time on it. Sent it kinda thinking some help would be nice but since then ive learned the issue.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on December 03, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
Seeing these last couple posts reminds me of the fact that I am a bad swapper. I shared @AmandaK s wedding toast beer last week with the SO and a friend. It was poor timing as it was later in the evening, I did not take any notes and really only remember that we all enjoyed it. Thank you again Amanda, everything you sent was wonderful and I hope to get to that level eventually, with a lot more practice.

No worries, Frank. I'm happy to know that it was shared and enjoyed - that was the original purpose behind the beer, so it is still doing what we intended.  :)  Now that I think about it... I believe the first 40+ bottles of those batches (blended 2 10g batches together for the wedding) went in the same manner at the reception.  ;D

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on December 03, 2015, 01:48:59 PM
So, I have a six pack of the blond and the red waiting for me to decide if they might do well in 28A against all those other specialty beers...

What do you think?

For NHC? I'll probably be entering a very similar Saison-Brett (w/ Boulevard dregs), so it would be neat if we could compete on the National stage. I say do it!  :D  It certainly is a beer that I would push to mini-BOS and with the right judge panel, should place.

I was hoping to have a separate Wild category for NHC, but now it seems as if I can send 3 different beers (I have all of the categories ready right now) and then have to compete not only against myself but against all of the bombs of the speciality category. I'll have to weigh that out once we know how many entries we can have.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 03, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
So, I have a six pack of the blond and the red waiting for me to decide if they might do well in 28A against all those other specialty beers...

What do you think?

For NHC? I'll probably be entering a very similar Saison-Brett (w/ Boulevard dregs), so it would be neat if we could compete on the National stage. I say do it!  :D  It certainly is a beer that I would push to mini-BOS and with the right judge panel, should place.

I was hoping to have a separate Wild category for NHC, but now it seems as if I can send 3 different beers (I have all of the categories ready right now) and then have to compete not only against myself but against all of the bombs of the speciality category. I'll have to weigh that out once we know how many entries we can have.
Right on. I'll do that. Thanks!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Footballandhops on December 03, 2015, 05:51:10 PM
Well here is my long due review of the beers mchrispen sent to me. I am not a BJCP judge and will not even begin to pretend that I can describe a beer at that level. My beer knowledge comes from a mixture of the BN session, sour hour, the Jamil show, brew strong, this forum and brewing classic styles. With that said...

The rye saison was delicious, very smooth with no hints of warming alcohol for a beer just under 10%. Fruity phenolic characters typical of the French saison strain which is a beast of a yeast. I would have bought a few bombers of this if it were a brewery offering.

The quadruple was another very smooth big beer. I got hints of plums, raisin, with what I perceived as a malty backbone. I don't remember there being much in the way of yeast phenolic character and spice. A very good beer all in all.

The braggot was very different. My first taste of what a beer fermented with a considerable amount of honey actually tastes like. I have to admit that when I opened this bottle it was getting late into the evening on a weekend that I had some old friends from college come into town. I enjoyed it, and my wife would also tell you that I enjoyed it. It actually inspired me to buy a gallon of honey from my uncles bee farm that I am looking to formulate a braggot recipe for.

All in all this guy knows his way around some potent beers that could get you in trouble if you didn't realize how strong they were!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on December 03, 2015, 06:08:02 PM
Hey thanks! Happy you enjoyed them!

That braggot is pretty divisive. I have one friend that spit it out - and another that keeps asking for more. :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 06, 2015, 01:37:00 AM
Tonight cracked surfinmikeg's rye porter. Poured jet black, with thick three finger tan head, that slowly dissipates to solid one finger. Aroma is roast with notes of coffee and vanilla. Very smooth, well attenuated with subtle  rye contributions. I let this one warm up to mid 40's and glad I did. The  rye and roast with vanilla in background meld together perfectly. Great beer on cold winter night- well done.
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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on December 09, 2015, 01:31:46 AM
Jeffy's Old Ale - a great beer that my description will not do justice on:

Dark and Murky brown, thin beaded head that dissipates on pouring; aroma of dark figs and prune, along with slight overripe pears and sherry (slight oxidation? Definitely not to a distraction level nor impermissible); flavor has Special B-like caramel with light roast and boozy hints on the initial sip, settling into residual sweetness that comes from the alcohol, I suspect, but appreciable like a fine, well-aged wine.  Mouthfeel was rich and full bodied, lightly tingly on the mid tongue and mildly warming, leaving a little twinge in the gums.  Overall a very complex and satisfying flavor profile - not your neighbor's barley wine, the aging brought out its best and settled out any shortcomings that may have been there younger.  I would enjoy this as an after dinner companion to an apple cobbler or with a big roast beef dinner or even better, with some venison back straps sautéed in garlic and onions.  It would stand up to either - or as I enjoyed it, all by itself.

Well Done, Jeffy!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on December 09, 2015, 01:34:57 AM
I want one!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on December 09, 2015, 01:47:45 AM
Thanks, Jerry.  That beer was a pretty old Old Ale.  It was a club project - we made 10 barrels of wort at Tampa Bay Brewing Co. from a winning recipe and split it up amongst everybody.  The sample I sent you spent some time in a bourbon barrel and picked up some Brett somewhere along the line.
Sometimes I really like this beer for complexity and dark fruit and sometimes I think it tastes like soy sauce.  I'm glad you got the former. 8)
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: coastsidemike on December 09, 2015, 05:23:39 AM
Tonight cracked surfinmikeg's rye porter. Poured jet black, with thick three finger tan head, that slowly dissipates to solid one finger. Aroma is roast with notes of coffee and vanilla. Very smooth, well attenuated with subtle  rye contributions. I let this one warm up to mid 40's and glad I did. The  rye and roast with vanilla in background meld together perfectly. Great beer on cold winter night- well done.
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Hey Ken, I'm glad you liked it.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 11, 2015, 02:34:12 PM
I think we are probably about done with Swaptoberfest '15. If there's still more thats cool, keep posting.

Was it worth while?

Other than botching the lineup so some folks ended up with one on one exchanges, anything you'd suggest changing?

I'll aim to fire up another one in the Spring. Hopefully between NHC shipping time and actual NHC?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on December 11, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
I think it was worthwhile despite that I've only had a chance to drink one of them (haven't had a chance to touch the stouts with three separate competitions happening in late October and November).  I would do it again.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on December 11, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
I have no suggestions to make it better, I thought it was great. Thanks!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 11, 2015, 03:34:47 PM
Yeah, I enjoyed it again and would keep participating.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on December 11, 2015, 03:37:10 PM
This has been fun to follow. I might try to participate in this at some point. I don't think my beers are up to par with the rest of ya but maybe one day...
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 11, 2015, 04:24:00 PM
I might try to participate in this at some point. I don't think my beers are up to par with the rest of ya but maybe one day...


You should join in. It's not about being up to par with anybody, it's really not. I bet (like me) you're your own biggest critic. It's fun !

Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 11, 2015, 04:27:27 PM
I might try to participate in this at some point. I don't think my beers are up to par with the rest of ya but maybe one day...


You should join in. It's not about being up to par with anybody, it's really not. I bet (like me) you're your own biggest critic. It's fun !

I also think a lot of us were shipping what we had, not something we brewed for competition.  So not necessarily the cream of all our crops.

I still have one to taste and some notes to post.  Unfortunately, I was coming down with pneumonia when I sampled the last bottle, so I think my senses were pretty well dulled.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on December 11, 2015, 04:28:38 PM
I might try to participate in this at some point. I don't think my beers are up to par with the rest of ya but maybe one day...


You should join in. It's not about being up to par with anybody, it's really not. I bet (like me) you're your own biggest critic. It's fun !
I also recommend joining in. I know I'm not one of the best brewers here but I think we all have some good stuff to share. I also think that with this crowd we really look for what we like in a beer so don't think of it as professional judges exposing your flaws in public, as you could see its not like that.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: jeffy on December 11, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
I enjoyed it and didn't find anything wrong with being one of the one-on-one pairs.  Thanks for setting it up!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: 69franx on December 11, 2015, 08:47:20 PM
I also enjoyed and will join again. First experience with anything like this, nothing to add to improve. I just hope I can make it to NHC and do it again in person. Thanks Jim for organizing
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: erockrph on December 11, 2015, 11:31:47 PM
This has been fun to follow. I might try to participate in this at some point. I don't think my beers are up to par with the rest of ya but maybe one day...
I'm glad I joined in this time around. I don't have a local club, so this forum is what I think of as my homebrew club. It's nice to share some brews with someone other than my buddies who think that everything I make is good enough to go pro with.

Most of my beers are one-offs or experimental, and would be several iterations away from being NHC caliber if I decided to hone them in. I still felt comfortable with this crowd in sharing. I expected friendly feedback, and that's what I got. I also got a great suggestion from Jim to oak my Gewurztraminer Saison, which I will be trying very soon. Basically, it's exactly what I'd expect from a friendly local club.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 11, 2015, 11:45:43 PM
This has been fun to follow. I might try to participate in this at some point. I don't think my beers are up to par with the rest of ya but maybe one day...
I'm glad I joined in this time around. I don't have a local club, so this forum is what I think of as my homebrew club. It's nice to share some brews with someone other than my buddies who think that everything I make is good enough to go pro with.

Most of my beers are one-offs or experimental, and would be several iterations away from being NHC caliber if I decided to hone them in. I still felt comfortable with this crowd in sharing. I expected friendly feedback, and that's what I got. I also got a great suggestion from Jim to oak my Gewurztraminer Saison, which I will be trying very soon. Basically, it's exactly what I'd expect from a friendly local club.
That was an excellent beer and I suspect that the oaked one will be amazing
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: ynotbrusum on December 12, 2015, 12:56:39 AM
I still have a handful to go through (Jeffy was all to accommodating with his and the commercial beers).  I sent some Midwestern brews knowing that mine may have had issues (blackberry sludge on bottling for example).  But I didn't kill him, so we're all good.  Don't worry about your brews - most guys (and Amanda) just enjoy the process!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Phil_M on December 13, 2015, 03:09:16 AM
Sooner or later I'd love to participate in one of these. Hoped to make it into this last one, but with school it just didn't work out.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on December 13, 2015, 03:37:34 AM
Sooner or later I'd love to participate in one of these. Hoped to make it into this last one, but with school it just didn't work out.
Several months to get ready for the next one...
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: AmandaK on December 13, 2015, 05:33:17 AM
I quite liked it and will do again. I got a chance to connect with other brewers and get to know them outside of their forum name/posts, which is probably the best part for me.

Looking forward to the next one!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on December 13, 2015, 11:08:33 PM
Having Jonathan/morticaixavier's   Scotch ale .

Beautiful dark plum body, clear with garnet highlights when held to the light.  Hints of dark dried fruit in the aroma, no hop.  Richly malty.

The aromas carry into the flavor - rich chewy malt but not cloying.  Almost a hint of cherry in the finish.  Enough bitterness to keep it from falling over the malt cliff.   Slight warming but not alcoholic. 

My god, I can only hop my wee heavy scheduled to brew in January turns out anything like this - I am cherishing the remainder of my snifter.

Would love the recipe.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on December 14, 2015, 01:17:24 PM
Having Jonathan/morticaixavier's   Scotch ale .

Beautiful dark plum body, clear with garnet highlights when held to the light.  Hints of dark dried fruit in the aroma, no hop.  Richly malty.

The aromas carry into the flavor - rich chewy malt but not cloying.  Almost a hint of cherry in the finish.  Enough bitterness to keep it from falling over the malt cliff.   Slight warming but not alcoholic. 

My god, I can only hop my wee heavy scheduled to brew in January turns out anything like this - I am cherishing the remainder of my snifter.

Would love the recipe.
I think" enough bitterness to keep it from falling over the malt cliff" wins the prize for best description on this thread.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Phil_M on December 14, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
Sooner or later I'd love to participate in one of these. Hoped to make it into this last one, but with school it just didn't work out.
Several months to get ready for the next one...

If next year is anything like 2015 has been, it'll be a challenge to have 3 beers brewed and bottled by then. At that point this year I had 3 batches done, two of which ended up infected. I haven't brewed an all-grain batch since May.

We'll see.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 14, 2015, 02:35:19 PM
Having Jonathan/morticaixavier's   Scotch ale .

Beautiful dark plum body, clear with garnet highlights when held to the light.  Hints of dark dried fruit in the aroma, no hop.  Richly malty.

The aromas carry into the flavor - rich chewy malt but not cloying.  Almost a hint of cherry in the finish.  Enough bitterness to keep it from falling over the malt cliff.   Slight warming but not alcoholic. 

My god, I can only hop my wee heavy scheduled to brew in January turns out anything like this - I am cherishing the remainder of my snifter.

Would love the recipe.


Sounds like one excellent Scotch ale.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on December 14, 2015, 02:36:46 PM
Having Jonathan/morticaixavier's   Scotch ale .

Beautiful dark plum body, clear with garnet highlights when held to the light.  Hints of dark dried fruit in the aroma, no hop.  Richly malty.

The aromas carry into the flavor - rich chewy malt but not cloying.  Almost a hint of cherry in the finish.  Enough bitterness to keep it from falling over the malt cliff.   Slight warming but not alcoholic. 

My god, I can only hop my wee heavy scheduled to brew in January turns out anything like this - I am cherishing the remainder of my snifter.

Would love the recipe.

82% weyermann Munich II
11% weyermann Pils
5% C60
2% flaked wheat

hopped with ~13 IBU centennial and ~10 IBU Challenger at 90 minutes

WYeast 1728

I only made ~2.5 gallons and boiled the first half gallon of runnings down to about a pint. it was syrupy.

This was the recipe that took 1st in Strong Scotch and 2nd in Malty division in the BrewUnited comp. It did turn out well. Kind of wish I had made a full batch.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: mchrispen on December 14, 2015, 02:55:56 PM
Quote
This was the recipe that took 1st in Strong Scotch and 2nd in Malty division in the BrewUnited comp. It did turn out well. Kind of wish I had made a full batch.

Was going to say - I recognized those ingredients.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: blatz on December 14, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
What SRM did that work out to?  I thought the color was perfect.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: morticaixavier on December 14, 2015, 06:30:04 PM
What SRM did that work out to?  I thought the color was perfect.

according to beersmith it was 15.9. I suspect it was a couple/few tenths darker than that.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 17, 2016, 12:59:10 AM
Spring swap talk is making me feel guilty.

These are my tasting notes from the Bayou Tech Bayou Pesche IPA that Toby sent me.

I was, unbeknownst to me, coming down with pneumonia when I sampled this beer back around Thanksgiving so I think my senses were dulled.  It (pneumonia) kicked me good this time. I'm still on an inhaler.

Anyway, the beer was a nice golden color, but had a thin head (I think I need to be more diligent on beer clean glasses).  There was very low hop aroma (perhaps the pneumonia stifling my sniffer).  I was searching for peach in the aroma, and think it was there.  It's the only aroma noted in my notes. 

Bitterness was assertive up front and lingered.

All in all, a tasty beer.  My notes don't indicate if I shared it with the wife.  I probably tried to and she refused to share a glass with someone as obviously sick as I was. 

Next time:  beer clean glass, pictures.

I've got one more pint I haven't poured yet.  Maybe tonight, but I have to run out later to pick up a kid from a party.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: klickitat jim on January 17, 2016, 01:15:46 AM
Spring swap talk is making me feel guilty.

These are my tasting notes from the Bayou Tech Bayou Pesche IPA that Toby sent me.

I was, unbeknownst to me, coming down with pneumonia when I sampled this beer back around Thanksgiving so I think my senses were dulled.  It (pneumonia) kicked me good this time. I'm still on an inhaler.

Anyway, the beer was a nice golden color, but had a thin head (I think I need to be more diligent on beer clean glasses).  There was very low hop aroma (perhaps the pneumonia stifling my sniffer).  I was searching for peach in the aroma, and think it was there.  It's the only aroma noted in my notes. 

Bitterness was assertive up front and lingered.

All in all, a tasty beer.  My notes don't indicate if I shared it with the wife.  I probably tried to and she refused to share a glass with someone as obviously sick as I was. 

Next time:  beer clean glass, pictures.

I've got one more pint I haven't poured yet.  Maybe tonight, but I have to run out later to pick up a kid from a party.
Good job, Joe. I think dying from pneumonia is a valid excuse for running late.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 17, 2016, 01:26:49 AM
Not quite dying.  But after coughing stuff up for 60 days or so, I was worried.

Clean chest x-ray earlier this month though.  That puts my paranoia to rest.  At least for now.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 17, 2016, 01:30:51 AM
Good to hear you're bouncing back. That sucks.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 17, 2016, 01:39:32 AM
Thanks.  I'm almost back to normal.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: pete b on January 18, 2016, 04:15:20 PM
Thanks.  I'm almost back to normal.
I had pneumonia for two months back in the nineties. Scary. One day I really did think I was a goner. All alone and called doctors office 3 times before I could talk because I could barely breath. Should have called 911 really.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on June 19, 2016, 07:31:57 PM
Finally going through my backlog of bottles in the house fridge.  Opened up Joe's Old Ale.  I'm just going to consider the scores on a hedonistic level since American Old Ale isn't really a style.  Suffice it to say that I really enjoyed it, and it was something I shared with the Mrs., since it's in her wheelhouse.

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Aroma: Moderate-high caramel and toffee. Low toasted bread crust.  Low pine, grapefruit, with a very light floral ester which grows as it warms.  Alcohol make the floral notes pop as it warms.  A light plum-like fruit ester also present.  Nothing off detected. 10/12

Appearance: Light copper with medium-low white head, medium-low carbonation with very light ring of bubbles at the edge. High clarity. Fine bubbles with light creamy lacing. 3/3

Flavor: Moderate-high caramel and toffee, with some light toast. Low nuttyness with medium-low floral notes. Medium-low plum-wine-like notes. Balance is slightly bitter and hoppy. 15/20

Mouthfeel: Medium-full mouthfeel with moderate carbonation, no astringency or diacetyl slickness, dry finish 4/5

Overall Impression: Excellent beer that defies traditional old ale boundaries. Obviously an American take on the style. 8/10


Total Score: 40/50
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: brewinhard on June 19, 2016, 07:36:21 PM
Finally going through my backlog of bottles in the house fridge.  Opened up Joe's Old Ale.  I'm just going to consider the scores on a hedonistic level since American Old Ale isn't really a style.  Suffice it to say that I really enjoyed it, and it was something I shared with the Mrs., since it's in her wheelhouse.

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Aroma: Moderate-high caramel and toffee. Low toasted bread crust.  Low pine, grapefruit, with a very light floral ester which grows as it warms.  Alcohol make the floral notes pop as it warms.  A light plum-like fruit ester also present.  Nothing off detected. 10/12

Appearance: Light copper with medium-low white head, medium-low carbonation with very light ring of bubbles at the edge. High clarity. Fine bubbles with light creamy lacing. 3/3

Flavor: Moderate-high caramel and toffee, with some light toast. Low nuttyness with medium-low floral notes. Medium-low plum-wine-like notes. Balance is slightly bitter and hoppy. 15/20

Mouthfeel: Medium-full mouthfeel with moderate carbonation, no astringency or diacetyl slickness, dry finish 4/5

Overall Impression: Excellent beer that defies traditional old ale boundaries. Obviously an American take on the style. 8/10


Total Score: 40/50

Does this one fit better into the American Strong Ale category, or not hoppy enough?
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on June 19, 2016, 07:41:14 PM
Does this one fit better into the American Strong Ale category, or not hoppy enough?

Under the 2015 guidelines, I would definitely thing it'd fit there, especially fresh.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: brewinhard on June 19, 2016, 07:42:39 PM
Cool.  i think I will probably give Hoosierbrew's ASA a go round this fall. It looks and sounds delicious.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 19, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Cool.  i think I will probably give Hoosierbrew's ASA a go round this fall. It looks and sounds delicious.


Still enjoying it!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: brewinhard on June 19, 2016, 07:49:18 PM
I love those deceptive beers that are easy to drink, balanced, and oh so crushable at 8%!!
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 19, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
I love those deceptive beers that are easy to drink, balanced, and oh so crushable at 8%!!


Me too. It's definitely all those things.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on June 19, 2016, 08:24:46 PM
2014 batch of Joe Sr's Stout.  Not going to do scores since it wouldn't be fair.  I definitely should have opened this up back in September when I got it.

Aroma: Moderate coffee and chocolate with low caramel in the background. Very low toast.  No hops detected. Very light raisiny ester.  Nothing off detected.

Appearance: Black with ruby highlights at the very edges. Wispy tan head which disippated quickly.

Flavor: Moderate-high coffee-like roasted malt up front with moderate chocolate mid-palate. Low dark raisiny fruit.

Mouthfeel: Medium-full mouthfeel with medium-low carbonation, no astringency or diacetyl slickness, even finish.

Overall Impression: I wish I had drank it when I received it last year. A little undercarbed, but 7 or 8 months ago, it probably would have been great.

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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: toby on June 19, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Last review completed.  I'm a coffee stout snob, and I like this one.  It gets better as it warms.  Everytime I see a coffee stout, I wonder how much, if any, of a part my original HBD posted recipe played in its genesis.

Aroma: Moderate-high coffee and medium chocolate with low caramel in the background. Very low toast.  No hops detected. Nothing off detected. Caramel get to medium-low as it warms. 9/12

Appearance: Black with ruby highlights at the very edges. Moderate tan head with moderate retention.  Fine bubbles and creamy appearance. 3/3

Flavor: Moderate-high coffee and roasted malt up front with moderate chocolate mid-palate with some medium-low caramel at the finish. Caramel approaches medium as it warms with medium-low toast and biscuit. Balance is even with an extremely low sweetness at the finish. More of a lactose sweetness than sucrose, though. 15/20

Mouthfeel: Medium-full mouthfeel with medium carbonation, no astringency or diacetyl slickness, even finish. 5/5

Overall Impression: I'm kind of a coffee stout snob.  My original Wake Up and Go To Sleep Stout recipe made the Cat's Meow database, and this is better than that original batch. I really regret not cracking this one sooner. 8/10

Total Score: 40/50

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Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 20, 2016, 01:49:49 AM
I appreciate the reviews Toby. You've made a lovely Father's Day even nicer. I read these earlier while sipping a Deschutes Obsidian stout in the heat of the day.

The stout is a regular in my line up for about the last 15 years or so. It's changed over time a bit but has stayed true to its genesis. The coffee stout is the same base beer and was from a split batch.  Glad you liked it. When fresh I have to say it was one of the top 10 I've made.  It went to the NHC finals last year but did not medal. For the rebrew this year I used different beans (with out first tasting a cup) and it turned out to be coffee that I did not enjoy. The beer is not bad (something like a 38 in the first round this year) but I just don't care for the coffee I added. Lesson learned.

The old ale is also a standby. Based off a Bell's third coast old ale recipe from an old zymurgy. Not quite to style for the bjcp but I enjoy it. I'd like to get more caramel body to it similar to your wee heavy. I will likely try a longer boil next time I give it a go.

Anyway, thanks for the reviews even if delayed. You've reminded me I need to get a couple more done for the spring swap but tonight I need to fold the kids' laundry.
Title: Re: Swap-toberfest '15
Post by: brewinhard on June 20, 2016, 01:28:54 PM


The old ale is also a standby. Based off a Bell's third coast old ale recipe from an old zymurgy. Not quite to style for the bjcp but I enjoy it. I'd like to get more caramel body to it similar to your wee heavy. I will likely try a longer boil next time I give it a go.



You may also want to consider looking into the use of English crystal malts for a more intense caramel note. I especially like the 60 and 120L versions for building up recipes.