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Title: oxygen cleaners
Post by: grainy one on November 15, 2015, 01:18:29 AM
Found a sale on a product and want to use it to clean my buckets and bottles. The name of it is Powerhouse oxygen. Color safe bleach free all purpose stain remover. Anyone use it before and any advice on oxygen cleaners would be appreciated.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: BrewArk on November 15, 2015, 05:17:57 PM
This paper:

http://www.umich.edu/~chemstu/content_weeks/F_06_Week11/pics_notes/Bracken_JCE_2005_p762_oxyclean.pdf (http://www.umich.edu/~chemstu/content_weeks/F_06_Week11/pics_notes/Bracken_JCE_2005_p762_oxyclean.pdf)

indicates that the powerhouse has about half the percarbonate of other oxygen cleaners.
(in 2005)
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 15, 2015, 05:21:06 PM
For years I used Oxiclean, then PBW.  Both worked well.  I now use Craftmeister Oxygen cleaner.  It's so much more effective than the others that the choice is clear for me.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: muzak on November 15, 2015, 06:28:33 PM
I now use Craftmeister Oxygen cleaner.  It's so much more effective than the others that the choice is clear for me.

I'm almost out of PBW, I'll definitely have to give this a try.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 15, 2015, 06:56:03 PM
I now use Craftmeister Oxygen cleaner.  It's so much more effective than the others that the choice is clear for me.

I'm almost out of PBW, I'll definitely have to give this a try.

Here's a comparison...http://www.experimentalbrew.com/blogs/drew/craftmeister-cleaners-picturing-carboy-test
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 16, 2015, 12:19:51 PM
The Craftmeister tablets make it an easy choice for me.  But I got them as a raffle prize, so I don't know the comparative cost per use...
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: AmandaK on November 16, 2015, 02:21:34 PM
For years I used Oxiclean, then PBW.  Both worked well.  I now use Craftmeister Oxygen cleaner.  It's so much more effective than the others that the choice is clear for me.

Same here. I got a bunch form the last comp I helped at. We won't be going back to PBW.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: chumley on November 16, 2015, 04:09:43 PM
That comparison link that Denny posted would indicate that the best cleaner is Craftmeister Alkaline, not Craftmeister Oxygen.  Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 16, 2015, 04:17:27 PM
Nope, you're not.  The alkaline kicks butt.  It works better mixed with cold water than PBW does in hot water.   When you put the alkaline in hot water it's truly remarkable.  But not everyone wants to use an alkaline cleaner.  The Oxygen cleaner still works better than PBW.  They source their percarbonate from the chemical industry, not the laundry industry, and it dissolves at a lower temp than PBW.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: muzak on November 16, 2015, 04:26:32 PM
That comparison link that Denny posted would indicate that the best cleaner is Craftmeister Alkaline, not Craftmeister Oxygen.  Or am I missing something?

I think this is the main reason.

Quote from the article:

"You should probably be smarter than me and use gloves while using the Alkaline cleaner. My hands felt a bit like the American Nazi dude at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The cleaner is effective, just a bit harsher than good ole PBW."

That would definitely sell me on using the Oxygen Wash, despite the Alkaline's slightly faster performance.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: chumley on November 16, 2015, 04:36:58 PM
Okay, thanks.  I was looking at it for soaking my BK, so I wouldn't be touching the stuff.  Soak and run through my line to the drain.  So it looks like alkaline for me. 

I saw this weekend that the local hardware store has got the Craftmeister line in, so I wanted to research before purchase.  I like whatever works best.  ;D
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 16, 2015, 05:00:16 PM
Okay, thanks.  I was looking at it for soaking my BK, so I wouldn't be touching the stuff.  Soak and run through my line to the drain.  So it looks like alkaline for me. 

I saw this weekend that the local hardware store has got the Craftmeister line in, so I wanted to research before purchase.  I like whatever works best.  ;D

I cleaned my BK with the alkaline the other day.  I'd couldn't believe the amount of brown slime that came off.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: chumley on November 16, 2015, 05:20:17 PM
Denny, did you heat the water up, or just did a cold soak?
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: narcout on November 16, 2015, 05:31:42 PM
I was looking at it for soaking my BK, so I wouldn't be touching the stuff.

Have you ever tried Barkeeper's Friend?  I cleaned my boil kettle with it yesterday, and it seriously looks brand new.  I wish I had taken before and after pictures.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 16, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
I was looking at it for soaking my BK, so I wouldn't be touching the stuff.

Have you ever tried Barkeeper's Friend?  I cleaned my boil kettle with it yesterday, and it seriously looks brand new.  I wish I had taken before and after pictures.

+1 to BKF. Does wonders on a kettle.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Stevie on November 16, 2015, 05:38:09 PM
BKF works amazingly well, but requires some elbow grease and should be rinsed quickly per the label. I'm interested in an easier method.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 16, 2015, 05:46:10 PM
Denny, did you heat the water up, or just did a cold soak?

Overnight warm soak  (used chiller outflow water), then heated for a few minutes before I brushed it off, drained and rinsed.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 16, 2015, 05:47:07 PM
I was looking at it for soaking my BK, so I wouldn't be touching the stuff.

Have you ever tried Barkeeper's Friend?  I cleaned my boil kettle with it yesterday, and it seriously looks brand new.  I wish I had taken before and after pictures.

+1 to BKF. Does wonders on a kettle.

Agreed...it certainly does.  But the alkaline cleaner works even better with less effort.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 16, 2015, 06:03:02 PM
I was looking at it for soaking my BK, so I wouldn't be touching the stuff.

Have you ever tried Barkeeper's Friend?  I cleaned my boil kettle with it yesterday, and it seriously looks brand new.  I wish I had taken before and after pictures.

+1 to BKF. Does wonders on a kettle.

Agreed...it certainly does.  But the alkaline cleaner works even better with less effort.

I'm close to running out of PBW.  You have me sold on the Craftmeister alkaline, Denny.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Whiskers on November 16, 2015, 06:39:24 PM
It looks like the alk cleaner is mostly a 50/50 blend of washing soda and tsp substitute.  5% Sodium Sesquicarbonate.  Don't know a common name for that but a quick search revealed that it is a pretty benign chemical and quite cheap. 
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: pete b on November 16, 2015, 07:47:32 PM
I have always used One Step because it was what I was first introduced to. It works great for me but I'll probably try the alkaline cleaner sometime.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Joel5000 on November 17, 2015, 07:10:21 PM
You count me as another fan of the Craftmeister Alkaline Brewery Wash.  I run it in my fermentors for about 20 minutes using a keg and carboy washer, and they come out sparkling.  I also let it sit in my tap lines for about 20 minutes after a keg kicks, and it really cleans them up nice.  I always follow-up with a clean water, then Saniclean rinse.

The ABW is REALLY harsh on the hands, though.  I now make sure that I am wearing gloves when I use it.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: yugamrap on November 17, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
I see that the Alkaline Brewery Wash is not recommended for use on soft metals like aluminum or zinc.  Does anyone know if it's okay on brass or copper?  I have a copper dip tubes in my kettles, and some brass valves and QDs,
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on November 17, 2015, 09:40:44 PM
i use just oxy soak overnight and kettle shines.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Whiskers on November 17, 2015, 10:10:05 PM
I see that the Alkaline Brewery Wash is not recommended for use on soft metals like aluminum or zinc.  Does anyone know if it's okay on brass or copper?  I have a copper dip tubes in my kettles, and some brass valves and QDs,

Copper OK, brass no. 
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Whiskers on November 18, 2015, 03:56:55 AM
I think they add the sesquicarbonate is washing soda bound to baking soda.  It is more soluble in cold water than washing soda.  Perhaps a homemade mix could be made simply and effectively. 
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 18, 2015, 04:52:58 PM
I see that the Alkaline Brewery Wash is not recommended for use on soft metals like aluminum or zinc.  Does anyone know if it's okay on brass or copper?  I have a copper dip tubes in my kettles, and some brass valves and QDs,

Neither is the Oxygen wash, PBW, or Oxiclean.  I've had no problems with copper.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: denny on November 18, 2015, 04:53:43 PM
I think they add the sesquicarbonate is washing soda bound to baking soda.  It is more soluble in cold water than washing soda.  Perhaps a homemade mix could be made simply and effectively.

I think you should ask them rather than speculate.
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Whiskers on November 18, 2015, 11:22:32 PM
I think they add the sesquicarbonate is washing soda bound to baking soda.  It is more soluble in cold water than washing soda.  Perhaps a homemade mix could be made simply and effectively.

I think you should ask them rather than speculate.

I didn't speculate - I did some research on the chemical and its use in cleaning products.  Regardless of why that company in particular includes it, the cold water solubility is a property and a motivation for it's inclusion in general.  The mds makes the ratios of the other chemicals fairly transparent. 
Title: Re: oxygen cleaners
Post by: Craft Meister on November 24, 2015, 10:50:51 PM
Nope, you're not.  The alkaline kicks butt.  It works better mixed with cold water than PBW does in hot water.   When you put the alkaline in hot water it's truly remarkable.  But not everyone wants to use an alkaline cleaner.  The Oxygen cleaner still works better than PBW.  They source their percarbonate from the chemical industry, not the laundry industry, and it dissolves at a lower temp than PBW.

Denny has it right!

Any questions regarding Craft Meister, private message me.  Better yet, try it for yourself.