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Title: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: AmandaK on December 05, 2015, 02:43:51 pm
Saw this on Milk the Funk, White Labs is apparently offering many if their platinum strains and wild/bacterias now.

WL Yeast Vault (http://www.whitelabs.com/yeast-vault)
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: dannyjed on December 05, 2015, 03:09:06 pm
Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by: 69franx on December 05, 2015, 03:37:46 pm
Nice heads up, couple in there I've heard about and am interested in
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: Stevie on December 05, 2015, 08:33:45 pm
I would like the chance to bundle a couple of standard strains in with the vault strain. The shipping is affordable at $3, but it might as well throw an 001 or 007 in there as well.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: AmandaK on December 06, 2015, 07:17:17 am
I'm in for 835 and probably that Saison blend. Maybe some of the funky bunch.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: tommymorris on December 06, 2015, 07:31:31 am
I wish the sold all their yeast with $3 shipping. Yeast is the hardest thing to come by locally.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: Steve Ruch on December 06, 2015, 09:57:49 am
Some of them look pretty good, but it looks like it'll be a long wait to get any of them.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: erockrph on December 06, 2015, 03:06:11 pm
Hmm. I wonder if any of these are the mystery culture that I got off a contaminated agar plate from WL.  ???

I just got a 5-gallon keg for fermenting, so I put in for the high-pressure lager yeast to give it a try. I also put in for the Klassic Ale. I just hope that it doesn't take till mid-July before these hit their quota, then get these shipped from San Diego in the dog days of summer.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: brewinhard on December 06, 2015, 03:09:20 pm
Wow!  that is pretty cool stuff.  Thanks for sharing Amanda!  I just might have to place a few orders for some cool new strains/blends. 
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 06, 2015, 06:08:53 pm
great find- some really interesting yeast i'd love to try.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: S. cerevisiae on December 06, 2015, 07:32:06 pm
I also put in for the Klassic Ale.

I was the first person to place an order WLP033.   I appears that someone other than you and I placed an order for WLP033.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: erockrph on December 06, 2015, 07:58:46 pm
I also put in for the Klassic Ale.

I was the first person to place an order WLP033.   I appears that someone other than you and I placed an order for WLP033.
Actually, I ordered 2 packs. I figured since this might be a one time thing I'd get a spare just in case.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: stpug on December 06, 2015, 08:04:02 pm
I'm interested in Klassic Ale too, but will be starting with 1768 in January ;).

It's nice to see the "vault" has materialized. I'll be checking in frequently.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: coolman26 on December 06, 2015, 08:21:30 pm
I also put in for the Klassic Ale.

I was the first person to place an order WLP033.   I appears that someone other than you and I placed an order for WLP033.

I will be ordering this as well
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: muzak on December 07, 2015, 08:42:05 am
I'm really interested in High Pressure Lager Yeast, Klassic Ale and Hansen Ale.

I figure I'll make a 2L starter for each strain and split it up 4 ways for my yeast inventory.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: Joel5000 on December 12, 2015, 11:38:09 am
No need to wait for WLP033.  Wyeast 1768 is coming out in January.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: S. cerevisiae on December 12, 2015, 03:36:55 pm
Wyeast 1768 and WLP033 are two different isolates much in the same way that Wyeast 1056 and WLP001 are two different isolates.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: Joel5000 on December 12, 2015, 04:02:32 pm
Wyeast 1768 and WLP033 are two different isolates much in the same way that Wyeast 1056 and WLP001 are two different isolates.

Do you find a noticeable difference in their performance?
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: klickitat jim on December 12, 2015, 05:12:34 pm
Doesn't the specific pack that I buy become an isolate as soon as I bring it home and use it?
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: homebrew212 on December 13, 2015, 12:49:54 am
Come on people...who wants to make some malty lagers with WLP835 German Lager X and some funky stuff with some WLP640 Brett Anomalus I? Give these strains a chance and join up!
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: S. cerevisiae on December 13, 2015, 08:08:59 am
Doesn't the specific pack that I buy become an isolate as soon as I bring it home and use it?


No, the culture becomes the offspring of an isolate.  An isolate is the result of plating a culture for single colonies, and then selecting a colony (a.k.a. colony-forming unit) for transfer to slant or propagation. Plating for singles will often produce cultures with slightly different performance characteristics due to the fact that strains will often produces cells with slight genomic and/or phenomic variations over time.   For example, W-34/70 and W-34/78 are isolates from strain number 34.

If one examines the plate in the photo shown below closely, one will see a few well-isolated near-perfectly round colonies in the lower right-hand quadrant. These colonies are all the offspring of a single yeast cell; hence, they are isolates.

(http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv356/tonestack/Brewing/SandNYeast_zpsc0067d33.jpg)

Often, multiple colony-forming units (CFUs) will be selected for transfer to slant.  The slants will then be used to propagate cultures, which, in turn, are used to test fermentation performance.  The isolate that performs best is selected for use in real-world brewing.  The other isolates are held in reserve or discarded.

Let me give you a real-world use of isolation when working with a single-strain culture.  Let's say that we like a yeast strain's flavor, but we want to see if we can alter how it flocculates.  We do so by cropping early, plating for singles, testing the isolates, and brewing with the most favorable isolate.  We can repeat this process several times to see if the flocculation performance improves.  Conversely, we can push flocculation in the other direction by cropping late and performing the same isolation process. 
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: Steve Ruch on December 13, 2015, 09:36:43 am
Wyeast 1768 and WLP033 are two different isolates much in the same way that Wyeast 1056 and WLP001 are two different isolates.

1056 and 001 are considered close enough to use interchangeably, wouldn't 1768 and 033 also be close enough?
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: S. cerevisiae on December 13, 2015, 10:46:06 am
1056 and 001 are considered close enough to use interchangeably, wouldn't 1768 and 033 also be close enough?

Sierra Nevada "Chico," Wyeast 1056, and WLP001 share the same ancestry; however, the strains do not have identical fermentation profiles.   Cultured Sierra Nevada is noticeably more flocculent.

There is little doubt in my mind that WLP033 was isolated from BrewTek CL-170.  I believe that Wyeast 1768 may have also been isolated from BrewTek CL-170, but it may have been isolated from a bottle conditioned beer or a culture taken from the Ram Brewery.  CL-170 or the isolate that is closest in performance to CL-170 is the culture to own.  Drew seems to believe that Maribeth still maintains her culture collection.

Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: dbeechum on December 15, 2015, 12:04:13 am
Drew seems to believe that Maribeth still maintains her culture collection.

Last time I knew it was all tucked away in a deep deep carbonite like freeze
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: blatz on December 15, 2015, 07:36:33 am
pretty cool - I just ordered a couple German Lager X.

I too wish ordering yeast from them was this cheap and easy for all strains.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 15, 2015, 09:30:46 am
pretty cool - I just ordered a couple German Lager X.

I too wish ordering yeast from them was this cheap and easy for all strains.
I think I need to jump on the Lager X, too. Doesn't look like it is listed as Platinum anymore.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: 69franx on December 15, 2015, 12:23:17 pm
I just pre-ordered 2 each of 835 Lager X, 033 Klassic Ale, and 030 Thames Ale. Still need over 200 pre-orders of each to make it happen, so get in there and pre-order
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: S. cerevisiae on January 01, 2016, 06:28:03 pm
I am curious as to why so many people are ordering blends from the Vault.  Blends are generally not stable; therefore, most are one batch cultures.  I would not wait in line for a one batch culture.  I would order the individual strains and perform the blend in-house.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 01, 2016, 09:13:50 pm
pretty cool - I just ordered a couple German Lager X.

I too wish ordering yeast from them was this cheap and easy for all strains.
I think I need to jump on the Lager X, too. Doesn't look like it is listed as Platinum anymore.

Ordered 2. 130 to go before it ships.
Title: Re: White Labs Yeast Vault
Post by: Joel5000 on January 24, 2016, 08:14:28 pm
C'mon people!  Get your German Lager X orders in.  Just 18 to go!   :)