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Title: Cellar Brewery
Post by: pete b on January 07, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
I'm getting a bunch of woodworking equipment which will mean that I have to re-think my cellar. My girlfriend offered to give up her old art studio which is a finished room about 10X16. She has a better one with natural light now and was using it mainly to store supplies. So that will be the brewery and a section of my cellar currently storing brewing supplies and ingredients will be the shop.
My biggest challenge is running water. I have a big two bay stainless steel sink from a commercial kitchen I would love to install. Has anyone done this in a cellar themselves? I'm wondering if this would cost hundreds or into the thousands to have a plumber do. Does anyone know if this is a doable DIY? I don't know plumbing but I'm pretty handy and I understand pex makes it easier. I know it will require a pump to drain the sink. I would love to get a zymatic but maybe just a cobbled together electric system which would require an exhaust system which I don't know the cost of.
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: kramerog on January 07, 2016, 04:38:02 PM
A few thoughts to get the ball rolling:

- Don't you have a floor drain?  Couldn't you run the sink into the drain?
- If you do an electric system, you only need an exhaust system to move the moisture.  Is there a nearby window you could put a box fan to move the moisture out and another window or door to bring in fresh air.
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: pete b on January 07, 2016, 04:51:06 PM
A few thoughts to get the ball rolling:

- Don't you have a floor drain?  Couldn't you run the sink into the drain?
- If you do an electric system, you only need an exhaust system to move the moisture.  Is there a nearby window you could put a box fan to move the moisture out and another window or door to bring in fresh air.
No floor drain. Yes and yes to nearby window and other windows/doors. They are small cellar windows though, I don't think a fan is enough.
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: kramerog on January 07, 2016, 06:43:02 PM
Exhaust for the zymatic or even a small electric system is really small.  A kitchen range hood could handle that as long as the run of flexible duct is not overly long.  A bathroom exhaust fan would also work.  Enclosing your tun with a shower curtain would improve capture by the exhaust fan

If all you want is some carbon-filtered water to fill your tun, then all you probably need is an ice maker kit and your filters.  A filter kit might come with a saddle valve.
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: Philbrew on January 12, 2016, 06:55:53 PM
I'm getting a bunch of woodworking equipment which will mean that I have to re-think my cellar. My girlfriend offered to give up her old art studio which is a finished room about 10X16. She has a better one with natural light now and was using it mainly to store supplies. So that will be the brewery and a section of my cellar currently storing brewing supplies and ingredients will be the shop.
My biggest challenge is running water. I have a big two bay stainless steel sink from a commercial kitchen I would love to install. Has anyone done this in a cellar themselves? I'm wondering if this would cost hundreds or into the thousands to have a plumber do. Does anyone know if this is a doable DIY? I don't know plumbing but I'm pretty handy and I understand pex makes it easier. I know it will require a pump to drain the sink. I would love to get a zymatic but maybe just a cobbled together electric system which would require an exhaust system which I don't know the cost of.
With that woodworking equipment you should be able to build a table or stand for that SS sink.  DIY plumbing with plastic (cpvc) is easy and cheap.  Plumbers = $$$.
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: pete b on January 12, 2016, 07:47:05 PM
I'm getting a bunch of woodworking equipment which will mean that I have to re-think my cellar. My girlfriend offered to give up her old art studio which is a finished room about 10X16. She has a better one with natural light now and was using it mainly to store supplies. So that will be the brewery and a section of my cellar currently storing brewing supplies and ingredients will be the shop.
My biggest challenge is running water. I have a big two bay stainless steel sink from a commercial kitchen I would love to install. Has anyone done this in a cellar themselves? I'm wondering if this would cost hundreds or into the thousands to have a plumber do. Does anyone know if this is a doable DIY? I don't know plumbing but I'm pretty handy and I understand pex makes it easier. I know it will require a pump to drain the sink. I would love to get a zymatic but maybe just a cobbled together electric system which would require an exhaust system which I don't know the cost of.
With that woodworking equipment you should be able to build a table or stand for that SS sink.  DIY plumbing with plastic (cpvc) is easy and cheap.  Plumbers = $$$.
Yep, that's what I'm thinking. The main challenge I need to really learn about is the draining wastewater without gravity. I probably need to pump it up to a drain pipe that goes to the septic system.
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: Slowbrew on January 13, 2016, 12:02:41 AM
Personally, I would want to get the plumbing right.  I've learned that I should not take on sweating existing copper pipe, the hard way.

Ventilation should be pretty easy if you have windows.

Paul
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: troybinso on January 13, 2016, 01:01:49 AM
I'm getting a bunch of woodworking equipment which will mean that I have to re-think my cellar. My girlfriend offered to give up her old art studio which is a finished room about 10X16. She has a better one with natural light now and was using it mainly to store supplies. So that will be the brewery and a section of my cellar currently storing brewing supplies and ingredients will be the shop.
My biggest challenge is running water. I have a big two bay stainless steel sink from a commercial kitchen I would love to install. Has anyone done this in a cellar themselves? I'm wondering if this would cost hundreds or into the thousands to have a plumber do. Does anyone know if this is a doable DIY? I don't know plumbing but I'm pretty handy and I understand pex makes it easier. I know it will require a pump to drain the sink. I would love to get a zymatic but maybe just a cobbled together electric system which would require an exhaust system which I don't know the cost of.
With that woodworking equipment you should be able to build a table or stand for that SS sink.  DIY plumbing with plastic (cpvc) is easy and cheap.  Plumbers = $$$.
Yep, that's what I'm thinking. The main challenge I need to really learn about is the draining wastewater without gravity. I probably need to pump it up to a drain pipe that goes to the septic system.

You'll need a sump hole and a sump pump under the sink to connect to the sewer/septic. I would feel pretty confident getting the hole and the pump plumbed, but I wouldn't connect to the septic myself. I'd feel better spending the 100-200 bucks for that part to get a licensed plumber in there. You really don't want to deal with a septic issue.
Title: Re: Cellar Brewery
Post by: pete b on January 13, 2016, 02:15:06 PM
I'm getting a bunch of woodworking equipment which will mean that I have to re-think my cellar. My girlfriend offered to give up her old art studio which is a finished room about 10X16. She has a better one with natural light now and was using it mainly to store supplies. So that will be the brewery and a section of my cellar currently storing brewing supplies and ingredients will be the shop.
My biggest challenge is running water. I have a big two bay stainless steel sink from a commercial kitchen I would love to install. Has anyone done this in a cellar themselves? I'm wondering if this would cost hundreds or into the thousands to have a plumber do. Does anyone know if this is a doable DIY? I don't know plumbing but I'm pretty handy and I understand pex makes it easier. I know it will require a pump to drain the sink. I would love to get a zymatic but maybe just a cobbled together electric system which would require an exhaust system which I don't know the cost of.
With that woodworking equipment you should be able to build a table or stand for that SS sink.  DIY plumbing with plastic (cpvc) is easy and cheap.  Plumbers = $$$.
Yep, that's what I'm thinking. The main challenge I need to really learn about is the draining wastewater without gravity. I probably need to pump it up to a drain pipe that goes to the septic system.

You'll need a sump hole and a sump pump under the sink to connect to the sewer/septic. I would feel pretty confident getting the hole and the pump plumbed, but I wouldn't connect to the septic myself. I'd feel better spending the 100-200 bucks for that part to get a licensed plumber in there. You really don't want to deal with a septic issue.
That makes sense. I feel like this is probably a hybrid job. I do as much work as I am comfortable with and hire a plumber to check my work and do some of the more important, trickier stuff.