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Title: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 11, 2016, 07:52:29 PM
admittedly, I've grown accustomed to particular single hop and combinations for APA/IPA....creature of habbit (I'm a regular C's, amarillo, mandarina guy..love them just looking for something different).

I'm not at all as versed as I'd like to be in the many varieties available, and interested in some thoughts on favorite single and combinations.

So let me have it if you please- and feel free to add what you like  about them.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 11, 2016, 08:54:42 PM
SINGLE HOP ( I left out C hops as single hop beers since pretty much everybody has tried that)

1/ Azacca - Mango/peach, citrus. It's kind of medium assertive so it works really well in APA and IPA but doesn't beat you over the head. I like it in a single hop APA. Blends with any C hop really well.

2/ Galaxy - Pungent citrus and tropical fruit. Good in hoppy APA and IPA. Works solo, but blends with C hops well, as well as Simcoe and Nelson Sauvin IMO. More pungent than Azacca but a great hop.

3/ Equinox - Unique hop. Citrus/lime and fruity/tropical. Really intense, resiny in a good way. Works well solo, but I blended it separately with Columbus, Chinook and Simcoe. Liked all three.



BLENDS - I usually shoot to balance citrus, tropical/fruity, and pine/dank.

Galaxy/Simcoe - nice balance of citrus, fruit, pine

Lemon Drop/El Dorado -  Use 2-2.5 Lemon Drop: 1 El Dorado.  It's the combo in Stone Delicious IPA.

Amarillo/Simcoe - been done a lot but it's a great combo of citrus/orange and pungent pine.

Amarillo/Citra/Columbus - balance of citrus, tropical, and dank.

Citra/Centennial/Chinook - citrus, tropical, and pine.

Cascade/Centennial - old school, but good

Mandarina Bavaria/Crystal - American lagers, blonde ale. Nice.

Mt Hood with C hops - work well together.  Mt Hood/Cascade and Mt Hood/Centennial are simple and good.

Mt Hood/Liberty - really nice together. Better than the sum of their parts.

Nelson/Galaxy - Pungent fruit/citrus bomb.

Ahtanum/Amarillo/Simcoe

Amarillo/Cascade/Centennial/Mt Hood




Tip of the iceberg. I left out Mosaic because I know you're not a fan. I'll edit more when I think of them.



Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: fmader on January 11, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
I'm with Jon here. Azacca is very nice. Founders just released a single hopped Azacca beer if you want to taste it. Equinox is a cool hop. It's not like anything else and can often change in flavor. I like to say its centennial-like but with a resinous kick. I also like galaxy and I love a galaxy/Citra combo. It's probably my favorite two hop combo.

On the contrary... I have an Equinox/Citra APA on tap right now and am not a huge fan of the combo. It's certainly drinkable, but I feel the flavors clash a bit. Everybody else who has had it loves it...go figure lol
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: golfgod04 on January 11, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
I made an AIPA combining Citra and T'N'T hops and it came out fantastic.  You can go to farmhouse brewing supply to see the description for T'N'T
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 11, 2016, 11:14:55 PM
I brew an amber with simcoe, summit, and saphir that is really good and I think the 3 Ss would work in an IPA.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 11, 2016, 11:48:56 PM
good stuff-thanks!  just ordered # each of equinox and azacca.

anyone tried jarrylo?
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: fmader on January 11, 2016, 11:54:37 PM
good stuff-thanks!  just ordered # each of equinox and azacca.

anyone tried jarrylo?

I have not, but just because the reviews I've read have been meh. FYI on the Equinox. It has a real high oil content, so it will over power just about any hop it's with, so make sure favorable ratio.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 11, 2016, 11:55:26 PM
good stuff-thanks!  just ordered # each of equinox and azacca.

anyone tried jarrylo?



I got some free Jarrylo in the hop giveaway for AHA renewal last year. I don't like them at all, even a little. For starters, they're mild and dull. Except for the weird 'banana' character that just comes across like an out of place phenol. I definitely won't buy any.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 12, 2016, 12:03:00 AM
FYI on the Equinox. It has a real high oil content, so it will over power just about any hop it's with, so make sure favorable ratio.


Yeah, Equinox is a good one to single hop at first IMO.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: fmader on January 12, 2016, 12:06:49 AM
FYI on the Equinox. It has a real high oil content, so it will over power just about any hop it's with, so make sure favorable ratio.


Yeah, Equinox is a good one to single hop at first IMO.

Absolutely! It's a type of hop that you can comfortably do a single hopped beer with. I brewed a killer APA with it in the summer for the ol family reunion.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 12, 2016, 12:09:05 AM
I will single hop both so I get good feel for them, then look to blend. To guys going all late, hop stand, dry hop with both of these?


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Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 12, 2016, 12:22:36 AM
I will single hop both so I get good feel for them, then look to blend. To guys going all late, hop stand, dry hop with both of these?


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Yep.  I hit my target IBU in boil @ 60 mins, then add what would've been the late boil hops in the stand @ 170-175F. 25-30 mins for APA, 40ish for AIPA. Dry hop as usual.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 12, 2016, 12:26:46 AM
Cool. Been liking the hop stand. Just did all mandarina IPA ( magnum bitter), and had 8oz mandarina in this puppy.


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Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 12, 2016, 12:35:25 AM
Cool. Been liking the hop stand. Just did all mandarina IPA ( magnum bitter), and had 8oz mandarina in this puppy.


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Works nicely. And personally, I save these hops for late and dry. I normally bitter American ales with Warrior (or Magnum) or Columbus, depending on how smooth or assertive I want the bitterness. I just hate to waste good flavor/aroma hops @ 60.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 12, 2016, 12:36:39 AM
Same....to pricey and you don't get what you really want when you boil it all away.


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Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: erockrph on January 12, 2016, 02:24:09 AM
I'm a big fan of fruit-forward hops. I've been leaning towards a lot of the newer varieties, especially the Aus/NZ ones - primarily because I don't want my hoppy beers to taste like very other commercial beer out there. I also prefer hops that have one dominant flavor, so I can mix and match the specific flavors I want without getting too muddy. Here's my current favorites list:

Citra - oldie but goodie, pretty much straight-up mango, massive oil content and can easily dominate everything else if you're not careful

Meridian - totally underrated hop, lots of stone fruit (nectarine, apricot, sometimes bing cherry) with an undertone of citrus. It's a flavor I don't get in a lot of commercial beer, so I lean on it a lot at home.

Nelson Sauvin - I get a lot of white grapefruit out of it, with a bit of a vinous note that sets it apart from the C hops. It is reliably grapefruit-forward year after year, unlike something like Cascade that can be more floral some years

Motueka - lime zest and lemongrass. It's a shame that it's not more potent - it can easily get overpowered by oilier hops. But outside of IPA's it's a big go-to for me. Great in hoppy lagers as it is a Saaz derivative and gets some herbal/noble stuff going on as well. If you're a fan of Mandarina, I'd put this one in a similar category.

Vic Secret - this is a new discovery for me, but I'm already going to it regularly. It has a distinct passionfruit character that really stands out. This one is super tropical, without a lot of other background notes to muddy it up.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: tommymorris on January 12, 2016, 02:31:11 AM

SINGLE HOP ( I left out C hops as single hop beers since pretty much everybody has tried that)

1/ Azacca - Mango/peach, citrus. It's kind of medium assertive so it works really well in APA and IPA but doesn't beat you over the head. I like it in a single hop APA. Blends with any C hop really well.

2/ Galaxy - Pungent citrus and tropical fruit. Good in hoppy APA and IPA. Works solo, but blends with C hops well, as well as Simcoe and Nelson Sauvin IMO. More pungent than Azacca but a great hop.

3/ Equinox - Unique hop. Citrus/lime and fruity/tropical. Really intense, resiny in a good way. Works well solo, but I blended it separately with Columbus, Chinook and Simcoe. Liked all three.



BLENDS - I usually shoot to balance citrus, tropical/fruity, and pine/dank.

Galaxy/Simcoe - nice balance of citrus, fruit, pine

Lemon Drop/El Dorado -  Use 2-2.5 Lemon Drop: 1 El Dorado.  It's the combo in Stone Delicious IPA.

Amarillo/Simcoe - been done a lot but it's a great combo of citrus/orange and pungent pine.

Amarillo/Citra/Columbus - balance of citrus, tropical, and dank.

Citra/Centennial/Chinook - citrus, tropical, and pine.

Cascade/Centennial - old school, but good

Mt Hood with C hops - work well together.

Mt Hood/Liberty - really nice together. Better than the sum of their parts.

Nelson/Galaxy - Pungent fruit/citrus bomb.


Tip of the iceberg. I left out Mosaic because I know you're not a fan. I'll edit more when I think of them.
Really great post.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 12, 2016, 02:40:18 AM

I'm a big fan of fruit-forward hops. I've been leaning towards a lot of the newer varieties, especially the Aus/NZ ones - primarily because I don't want my hoppy beers to taste like very other commercial beer out there. I also prefer hops that have one dominant flavor, so I can mix and match the specific flavors I want without getting too muddy. Here's my current favorites list:

Citra - oldie but goodie, pretty much straight-up mango, massive oil content and can easily dominate everything else if you're not careful

Meridian - totally underrated hop, lots of stone fruit (nectarine, apricot, sometimes bing cherry) with an undertone of citrus. It's a flavor I don't get in a lot of commercial beer, so I lean on it a lot at home.

Nelson Sauvin - I get a lot of white grapefruit out of it, with a bit of a vinous note that sets it apart from the C hops. It is reliably grapefruit-forward year after year, unlike something like Cascade that can be more floral some years

Motueka - lime zest and lemongrass. It's a shame that it's not more potent - it can easily get overpowered by oilier hops. But outside of IPA's it's a big go-to for me. Great in hoppy lagers as it is a Saaz derivative and gets some herbal/noble stuff going on as well. If you're a fan of Mandarina, I'd put this one in a similar category.

Vic Secret - this is a new discovery for me, but I'm already going to it regularly. It has a distinct passionfruit character that really stands out. This one is super tropical, without a lot of other background notes to muddy it up.

Jon turned me on to Nelson with a saison recipe- really nice.

Vic secret- Victoria secret??'
Sound nice will add that one to try.


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Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: fmader on January 12, 2016, 02:51:10 AM

I'm a big fan of fruit-forward hops. I've been leaning towards a lot of the newer varieties, especially the Aus/NZ ones - primarily because I don't want my hoppy beers to taste like very other commercial beer out there. I also prefer hops that have one dominant flavor, so I can mix and match the specific flavors I want without getting too muddy. Here's my current favorites list:

Citra - oldie but goodie, pretty much straight-up mango, massive oil content and can easily dominate everything else if you're not careful

Meridian - totally underrated hop, lots of stone fruit (nectarine, apricot, sometimes bing cherry) with an undertone of citrus. It's a flavor I don't get in a lot of commercial beer, so I lean on it a lot at home.

Nelson Sauvin - I get a lot of white grapefruit out of it, with a bit of a vinous note that sets it apart from the C hops. It is reliably grapefruit-forward year after year, unlike something like Cascade that can be more floral some years

Motueka - lime zest and lemongrass. It's a shame that it's not more potent - it can easily get overpowered by oilier hops. But outside of IPA's it's a big go-to for me. Great in hoppy lagers as it is a Saaz derivative and gets some herbal/noble stuff going on as well. If you're a fan of Mandarina, I'd put this one in a similar category.

Vic Secret - this is a new discovery for me, but I'm already going to it regularly. It has a distinct passionfruit character that really stands out. This one is super tropical, without a lot of other background notes to muddy it up.

Jon turned me on to Nelson with a saison recipe- really nice.

Vic secret- Victoria secret??'
Sound nice will add that one to try.


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I've used Nelson and meridian together in a moderately hopped Pilsner before. Very pleasant.

I don't brew very many duplicates when it comes to hopped beers. It's fun seeing these hops being posted and remembering how you've used them. Meridian is a very solid hop, but it can get buried when mixed with higher oil content hops like Citra and Equinox.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: erockrph on January 12, 2016, 03:03:23 AM
Vic secret- Victoria secret??'

I believe it is grown in Victoria (Australia). I think the name was originally going to be Victoria Secret as a play on words, but there's probably some concern of trademark issues.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: unclebrazzie on January 12, 2016, 10:04:10 AM
I did a Jarrylo/Lemon Drop farmhouse hybrid thing in november. It's sitting on stewed quince right now, resulting in something which I can only describe as grapefruit-like. Slightly tangy, with a bitter kick.

Also now brewing a Citra/Sorachi Ace/Pekko farmhouse ale which smells delicious 3 days into primary. Pretty stoked about that one.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 12, 2016, 06:51:04 PM
ended up with these from farmhouse:

Azacca - 1 Lb 2015 *NEW CROP*

   1    $19.99    $19.99
EXP 6277 1Lb - 2015 *NEW CROP*

   1    $19.99    $19.99
El Dorado - 1 Lb - 2015 *NEW CROP*

   1    $22.99    $22.99
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 12, 2016, 07:04:58 PM
I don't brew very many duplicates when it comes to hopped beers.


I like to mix it up a lot, too. Sub in a new hop into an old combo.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: flbrewer on January 13, 2016, 04:07:52 PM

SINGLE HOP ( I left out C hops as single hop beers since pretty much everybody has tried that)

1/ Azacca - Mango/peach, citrus. It's kind of medium assertive so it works really well in APA and IPA but doesn't beat you over the head. I like it in a single hop APA. Blends with any C hop really well.

2/ Galaxy - Pungent citrus and tropical fruit. Good in hoppy APA and IPA. Works solo, but blends with C hops well, as well as Simcoe and Nelson Sauvin IMO. More pungent than Azacca but a great hop.

3/ Equinox - Unique hop. Citrus/lime and fruity/tropical. Really intense, resiny in a good way. Works well solo, but I blended it separately with Columbus, Chinook and Simcoe. Liked all three.



BLENDS - I usually shoot to balance citrus, tropical/fruity, and pine/dank.

Galaxy/Simcoe - nice balance of citrus, fruit, pine

Lemon Drop/El Dorado -  Use 2-2.5 Lemon Drop: 1 El Dorado.  It's the combo in Stone Delicious IPA.

Amarillo/Simcoe - been done a lot but it's a great combo of citrus/orange and pungent pine.

Amarillo/Citra/Columbus - balance of citrus, tropical, and dank.

Citra/Centennial/Chinook - citrus, tropical, and pine.

Cascade/Centennial - old school, but good

Mt Hood with C hops - work well together.

Mt Hood/Liberty - really nice together. Better than the sum of their parts.

Nelson/Galaxy - Pungent fruit/citrus bomb.


Tip of the iceberg. I left out Mosaic because I know you're not a fan. I'll edit more when I think of them.
This is a great post, thanks! I'm curious if there are other links out there that list similar agreed upon combinations that work well?
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 13, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
Not that I'm aware of. That's just trial and error on my part. Also within a given combo keep in mind that the ratios used make a big difference. This is definitely one of those things where you need to try it for yourself to see what you like. Descriptions of hops (even mine) are often fairly accurate but sometimes won't seem real accurate to your nose and palate at all. But you might like the result anyway. Just do some experimenting. It's fun!
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: denny on January 13, 2016, 04:46:39 PM
Drew and I are about to start testing 4 new organic experimental varieties that are daughters of Centennial.  We'll let ya all know how it goes.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 13, 2016, 04:53:54 PM
That sounds great, Denny. I'll be looking for it . I still love Centennial, so any offshoot sounds good to me !
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: erockrph on January 13, 2016, 07:03:43 PM
Drew and I are about to start testing 4 new organic experimental varieties that are daughters of Centennial.  We'll let ya all know how it goes.
Any relation to X-17?
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: BurghBeezer on January 13, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Drew and I are about to start testing 4 new organic experimental varieties that are daughters of Centennial.  We'll let ya all know how it goes.

I can imagine some great hops coming from Centennial parentage.  Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: norcaljp on January 14, 2016, 03:13:44 AM
My favorite IPA/DIPA combination is Mosaic/CTZ/Centennial

I use CTZ for bitterness and CTZ and Centennial for late boil flavor additions (15 or less). I adjust these depending on desired bitterness.

2/1/1 Mosaic/Centennial/CTZ at flameout (6oz for DIPA and 3 or 4 for single IPA)
2/1/1 Centennial/Mosaic/CTZ dry-hop (3 or 4 oz combined depending on IPA or DIPA)

The mosaic really shines through but with enough complexity from the CTZ and centennial to keep it from being one dimensional.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: 69franx on January 14, 2016, 06:16:35 AM
I have been very happy with my IPA schedule that I think I got here from @fmader: blend of amarillo,cents, Simcoe and Citra at fwh, 2oz Columbus @60, then the same blend from fwh at 20, 5, and dry. 1/2 Oz each in blend for fwh and 1oz each for the other additions. Turns into 16 Oz total for 5/5.5 gallons. All this is what I remember 2 bock and 2 double wood Balvenie' into the night. Fruity,dank, plenty of underlying bitterness. Works for me and yet I'm changing it up this weekend to experiment. YMMV
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: fmader on January 14, 2016, 10:37:39 AM
I have been very happy with my IPA schedule that I think I got here from @fmader: blend of amarillo,cents, Simcoe and Citra at fwh, 2oz Columbus @60, then the same blend from fwh at 20, 5, and dry. 1/2 Oz each in blend for fwh and 1oz each for the other additions. Turns into 16 Oz total for 5/5.5 gallons. All this is what I remember 2 bock and 2 double wood Balvenie' into the night. Fruity,dank, plenty of underlying bitterness. Works for me and yet I'm changing it up this weekend to experiment. YMMV

Yeah I think that was mine. It's funny how much I loved it, but since I've modified the schedule myself. Since I've kicked up the sulfates in the beers, I've dialed the Columbus at 60 back to an oz. No 20 minute addition anymore. If I do a late one it's at 10 minutes. I definetely do 0 minute and dry hop still. With that said, I'm still around a pound. I'm glad you're still carrying the torch!
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 14, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
There is an ale in my fridge I really like, made with HBC-438. This is the "Ron Mexico" hop. A single hop beer it has grapefruit and other fruits in the nose, some herbal and minty flavors, then there are a few flavors that we both go -"what is that?".

One of the parents was a neo-Mexicanus hop, so it is different.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: denny on January 14, 2016, 04:03:40 PM
Drew and I are about to start testing 4 new organic experimental varieties that are daughters of Centennial.  We'll let ya all know how it goes.
Any relation to X-17?

Not that I know of, but they do come from Pat at the Hop House.  I'll know more when I pick them up next week.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: homoeccentricus on January 23, 2016, 09:36:54 AM
Citra/Centennial/Chinook - citrus, tropical, and pine.

Simcoe and Amarillo can't be found in Europe right now, so I would like to try the combination Citra/Centennial/Chinook. What would be a balanced ratio? I've only tried Chinook as FWH, and I'm a bit worried of its effects in the whirlpool and as dry hop...
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 23, 2016, 01:03:20 PM
Citra/Centennial/Chinook - citrus, tropical, and pine.

Simcoe and Amarillo can't be found in Europe right now, so I would like to try the combination Citra/Centennial/Chinook. What would be a balanced ratio? I've only tried Chinook as FWH, and I'm a bit worried of its effects in the whirlpool and as dry hop...

.5 -.75 Citra: 1 Centennial : 1Chinook works pretty well. Citra sometimes seems a little assertive at first but after a week or two it integrates pretty well.
Title: Re: I need a new hop(s)
Post by: homoeccentricus on January 23, 2016, 01:17:21 PM
Citra/Centennial/Chinook - citrus, tropical, and pine.

Simcoe and Amarillo can't be found in Europe right now, so I would like to try the combination Citra/Centennial/Chinook. What would be a balanced ratio? I've only tried Chinook as FWH, and I'm a bit worried of its effects in the whirlpool and as dry hop...

.5 -.75 Citra: 1 Centennial : 1Chinook works pretty well. Citra sometimes seems a little assertive at first but after a week or two it integrates pretty well.

Thanks, I'll try that.