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Title: Lager X
Post by: 69franx on January 29, 2016, 11:53:51 AM
Woke up this morning to find email from White Labs saying that they had reached the minimum 250 pre-orders for WLP 835 Lager X, and it will be shipping in March!
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: AmandaK on January 29, 2016, 12:48:15 PM
Woot!  :D

So. What are we all gonna make? I think I might go with a Helles / Dunkel / Bock / Dopplebock series.

Maybe we can all make things with it and post about results here?
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: 69franx on January 29, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
I like it, I ordered 2 pouches, and have several lagers planned, just looking for ideas
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: bengelbrau on January 29, 2016, 03:02:25 PM
Helles, Dort, Bo Pils, Bock, and doppelbock are on my calendar. I'm interested to find out how this strain compares to my usual 830, 833, and 838
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: stevemedd on January 29, 2016, 03:18:12 PM
I have 4 packs on the way.  Time to start planning.  Doppelbock, Hellesbock, schwarzbier, vienna potentially
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: dls5492 on January 29, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
I have a pack on the way and I think I will do a German Pils.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 29, 2016, 04:20:49 PM
great yeast. Ive always described it as the best of 830, 833, and 838. its clean low ester, malty, non temperamental, and flocs and attenuates well.  makes a great helles, marzen, bock, dunkel, and even pils to name a few.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: majorvices on January 29, 2016, 04:34:51 PM
Where di you order from?
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 29, 2016, 04:44:08 PM
Where di you order from?
The Vault at White labs.

It makes good Helles, Dunkel, Doppelbock in my experience. Similar to 833, but a little different.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Footballandhops on January 30, 2016, 02:32:10 AM
I've got 2 packs on the way, probably gonna make a Munich dunkel and then go from there with the slurry. There are so many malty lager styles that I haven't tried yet. Looks like there will be many lagers in my future
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 30, 2016, 02:58:52 AM
Fwiw....100% pils with this yeast is really nice.


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Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: brewinhard on January 30, 2016, 08:23:26 PM
Fwiw....100% pils with this yeast is really nice.


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Just as long as you adjust it to 10srm!  ::)   ;)
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 30, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Fwiw....100% pils with this yeast is really nice.


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Just as long as you adjust it to 10srm!  ::)   ;)

depends on the pils :o
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 30, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
Fwiw....100% pils with this yeast is really nice.


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I'd like to try it sometime. I love 833 and it sounds as good, if not a tad better. And I like all pils for some beers, too. The Pivo type pils I'm gonna do is all pils.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 30, 2016, 09:58:28 PM
Yeah I wouldn't do 100% pils with 830, but 833 or 835 it's good IMO.


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Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 31, 2016, 01:42:42 AM
Yeah I wouldn't do 100% pils with 830, but 833 or 835 it's good IMO.


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830 and 100% Pils works for me, loads of awards for me.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 31, 2016, 01:45:24 AM
Yeah I wouldn't do 100% pils with 830, but 833 or 835 it's good IMO.


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830 and 100% Pils works for me, loads of awards for me.


My Pivo style pils uses 2124/830, as Matt does IIRC.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 31, 2016, 01:49:06 AM
Personal preferences prevail as always. I just feel 830 is very clean and malt neutral, so I like to add some Carahell or other to bump up the malt,


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Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 31, 2016, 01:54:16 AM
Personal preferences prevail as always. I just feel 830 is very clean and malt neutral, so I like to add some Carahell or other to bump up the malt,


Oh yeah, always. I like all pils with 2124 sometimes, especially a Pivo-type pils. But not always. Depends on the beer and what sounds good !
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: blatz on February 02, 2016, 02:25:43 PM
very excited - I ordered two pouches.  usually I start off with two and grow up from there but given the rarity I may just start smaller with one and hoard the other for the future.

Planning on dortmunder-->pilsner-->marzen-->golden bock

may even add a Baltic porter to that, although I am planning on a Golden Promise/Cascade Cali Common later this year, and the Cali Lager yeast makes a fine BP.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: bengelbrau on February 02, 2016, 03:08:00 PM
I ordered a pouch of this, and my card has been charged. It's happening!
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Pinski on February 03, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
I had good results from this strain on a Maerzen Rauchbier last year.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: brewinhard on February 04, 2016, 12:11:24 AM

may even add a Baltic porter to that, although I am planning on a Golden Promise/Cascade Cali Common later this year, and the Cali Lager yeast makes a fine BP.

It most definitely does.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: ynotbrusum on February 04, 2016, 04:52:58 AM
Does it have "It" ?  I am looking for a Helles with that specific profile....
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 04, 2016, 11:42:20 AM
Master Luke...."IT" yourself within find you, yeast in it find not.


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Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Pinski on February 04, 2016, 03:31:22 PM
Master Luke...."IT" yourself within find you, yeast it find not.


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:) well said.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: 69franx on March 07, 2016, 09:35:39 PM
     Just a quick bump on this topic. Is it safe to assume that this will ship in the new pouches rather than the old vials? Really should not make much difference since it will arrive as fresh as I can get it here in SE Indiana, now to just plan a strategy to put it to good use and find the brewing time. My schedule (tentative) has some double brew days coming up full of lagers, all 3.5 gallon batches including Pils, Ken's N German Pils, Jon's Dort, a bock, a pils from Marshall, and a vienna. Just gotta get it all organized to make it work for all of them in some sort of succesion
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: blatz on March 07, 2016, 09:57:15 PM
Yeah they will come in the pouches
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: 4swan on March 07, 2016, 10:29:35 PM
When I got the WLP 611 New Nordic Blend from the Vault it came in a vial.  So, Lager X might come in either package.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Joel5000 on March 16, 2016, 04:56:08 PM
Just received the email that Lager X is shipping today.  Time to plan this weekend's brew.  Has anyone brewed Jamil's Maibock recipe from BCS?  If so, how was it? I'm thinking of giving it a try with this yeast.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: 69franx on March 16, 2016, 05:01:32 PM
And yesterday I received an email response to my request a delay in shipping my 2 packs of this yeast. I will be out of town next week, with mail held for 9 days and I did not want this great, fresh bounty sitting warm at the post office. thanks to White Labs for helping me with this. Next month, on to some great lagers!
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 16, 2016, 05:10:09 PM
Got my e-mail too!
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 16, 2016, 05:10:29 PM
I could have picked them up for you and put them to good use. Of course I would have brought  you some slurry upon your return!


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Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: 69franx on March 16, 2016, 05:14:55 PM
I could have picked them up for you and put them to good use. Of course I would have brought  you some slurry upon your return!


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[/quoThanks Ken, I will have to remember that the next time I order 835  ;D
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: blatz on May 01, 2016, 08:19:57 PM
Really wish this wasn't a limited strain.  I love it!
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Footballandhops on May 02, 2016, 10:14:54 AM
I'm just getting around to brew with 835 this coming weekend. My first beer will be a German Pils with a firm magnum bittering addition and loads of hallertau mittelfreau at 15 min/flameout

Next will be an IPL since I have a ton of hops sitting in the freezer waiting to be used
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 02, 2016, 11:59:16 AM
I might brew using mine next week!
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: 69franx on May 02, 2016, 05:11:41 PM
I used 2 pouches yesterday for 2 different small batches of WortHog's North German Pilsner. Cant wait to try these out in a couple weeks
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Joel5000 on May 08, 2016, 04:25:27 AM
I finally brewed with my pouch of Lager X yesterday.  Made a helles:

For 5 gallons:

9 lb Best Heidelberg Pils
1 lb Weyerman Vienna
4 oz Carahell
4 oz acidulated malt (to drop mash pH to 5.2).

1.25 oz Mittelfrueh (75 min)
1 oz Mittelfrueh (5 min)

I made a 1 liter shaken not stirred starter and pitched the whole thing at high krausen.  Had very strong fermentation activity visible less than 12 hours after pitching, which is pretty fast compared to previous lagers I've made.  I really believe in that technique for starters.

Its bubbling away at 52 degrees.  Any suggestion on when I should ramp it up for a d-rest?

Really looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Footballandhops on May 08, 2016, 12:31:28 PM
I finally brewed with my pouch of Lager X yesterday.  Made a helles:

For 5 gallons:

9 lb Best Heidelberg Pils
1 lb Weyerman Vienna
4 oz Carahell
4 oz acidulated malt (to drop mash pH to 5.2).

1.25 oz Mittelfrueh (75 min)
1 oz Mittelfrueh (5 min)

I made a 1 liter shaken not stirred starter and pitched the whole thing at high krausen.  Had very strong fermentation activity visible less than 12 hours after pitching, which is pretty fast compared to previous lagers I've made.  I really believe in that technique for starters.

Its bubbling away at 52 degrees.  Any suggestion on when I should ramp it up for a d-rest?

Really looking forward to this one.

Shoot, I had signs of fermentation about 4 hours after pitching my starter of Lager X yesterday.
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: Footballandhops on July 10, 2016, 09:01:17 PM
This strain makes a hell of an IPL!
Title: Re: Lager X
Post by: brewinhard on July 11, 2016, 06:40:14 PM
I finally brewed with my pouch of Lager X yesterday.  Made a helles:

For 5 gallons:

9 lb Best Heidelberg Pils
1 lb Weyerman Vienna
4 oz Carahell
4 oz acidulated malt (to drop mash pH to 5.2).

1.25 oz Mittelfrueh (75 min)
1 oz Mittelfrueh (5 min)

I made a 1 liter shaken not stirred starter and pitched the whole thing at high krausen.  Had very strong fermentation activity visible less than 12 hours after pitching, which is pretty fast compared to previous lagers I've made.  I really believe in that technique for starters.

Its bubbling away at 52 degrees.  Any suggestion on when I should ramp it up for a d-rest?

Really looking forward to this one.

I typically start ramping up the temps to finish and hold around 68F as soon as I observe the krausen starting to drop back into the beer. This lets me know that yeast activity is starting to slow down and can benefit from some warmer temps to keep them chugging along. This is usually around day 5-7 depending on wort OG, pitch rate and type (fresh from starter vs. slurry repitch).