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Title: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette RESULTS
Post by: IMperry9 on March 22, 2016, 05:14:49 AM
So in the pursuit of experimenting as much as possible I recently brewed an all oat malt ale. Before that one has even had a chance to finish up I am about to start my next experimental batch. A SMaSH beer with 100% Weyermann Rye Malt, Galaxy hops and WLP008. The purpose of these small batch experiments is to really see how ingredients play a role in my brews. I have never used rye but I have had some delicious beers containing it. After reading around the internet 100% is difficult, but possible to do. Here is my procedure for a 1 Gallon Batch.

2lbs of Weyermann Rye Malt aiming for a OG of 1.040
Two Step mash: Beta-Glucanase Rest for 30 minutes, raised to 148F for 40 minutes.
30 IBU's of Galaxy hops added at 60 minutes, Galaxy hops added at 10 minutes and whirlpool.
WLP008 East Coast Ale yeast pitched at 66F and held there until end of fermentation.

I will probably post a more detailed description of the process once I brew it but it will probably be a week or two.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: dmtaylor on March 22, 2016, 11:36:13 AM
Yum.  Expect it to have a very full oily body, unique earthy bready flavor, and the most huge creamy head with the best retention you ever saw in your life.  I would recommend priming less than normal for carbonation on the low end for that reason.  Also, of course, the Galaxy hops are lovely but will also overpower some of the rye's more subtle complexities.  But it will turn out awesome overall.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 22, 2016, 11:58:15 AM
Have some rice hulls on hand.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: dmtaylor on March 22, 2016, 12:13:50 PM
He's only making a tiny batch, I assume BIAB, so for that the hulls probably aren't necessary.  Otherwise, yes, they would be in a cooler mash tun!
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: IMperry9 on March 22, 2016, 12:32:25 PM
For my 1 gallon batches I use a 10in. fine mesh strainer. Works pretty well, I would like to try BIAB because I never had used it before and it sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: denny on March 22, 2016, 03:26:51 PM
You may not like the way a 100% rye malt beer tastes.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on March 22, 2016, 03:44:30 PM
Well keep us posted. Should be interesting if nothing else. I would love to try stuff like this but am pretty committed to 5 gallon batches these days which leads to less experimenting.

Will your next Experimental SMaSH be with wheat?
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: dmtaylor on March 22, 2016, 05:12:52 PM
You may not like the way a 100% rye malt beer tastes.

That's a good word of caution.  Everyone doesn't love it.  I find that in amounts as high as 40% as I have used, it gives a downright earthy, sort of muddy flavor, and muddy grayish color as well for that matter.  It's not for everyone.  But, you WILL learn a lot about its flavor if you do a SMASH, though!  I still think it's a worthy experiment.  And with Galaxy in there...... it's going to taste great I think.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: denny on March 22, 2016, 05:32:10 PM
You may not like the way a 100% rye malt beer tastes.

That's a good word of caution.  Everyone doesn't love it.  I find that in amounts as high as 40% as I have used, it gives a downright earthy, sort of muddy flavor, and muddy grayish color as well for that matter.  It's not for everyone.  But, you WILL learn a lot about its flavor if you do a SMASH, though!  I still think it's a worthy experiment.  And with Galaxy in there...... it's going to taste great I think.

I've gone as high as 60%.  I LOVE rye beers, but that was enough for me.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: IMperry9 on March 23, 2016, 02:59:44 AM
You may not like the way a 100% rye malt beer tastes.

That's a good word of caution.  Everyone doesn't love it.  I find that in amounts as high as 40% as I have used, it gives a downright earthy, sort of muddy flavor, and muddy grayish color as well for that matter.  It's not for everyone.  But, you WILL learn a lot about its flavor if you do a SMASH, though!  I still think it's a worthy experiment.  And with Galaxy in there...... it's going to taste great I think.

I've gone as high as 60%.  I LOVE rye beers, but that was enough for me.

All very true but worth the risk for me at a 1 Gallon level. I just really want to see what rye malt can bring to the table I think this is the best way. I originally was just going to use a clean bittering charge so there was minimal hop flavor/ distraction but I fear the beer might be boring and bland in doing so. I have never used galaxy but just reading about them makes me thirsty.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: denny on March 23, 2016, 03:22:47 PM

All very true but worth the risk for me at a 1 Gallon level. I just really want to see what rye malt can bring to the table I think this is the best way. I originally was just going to use a clean bittering charge so there was minimal hop flavor/ distraction but I fear the beer might be boring and bland in doing so. I have never used galaxy but just reading about them makes me thirsty.

There might be another way to go about finding out about rye.  Brew  SMaSH beer using barley malt.  Then replace 60% of the barley with rye malt.  I guarantee you that you will know what the rye malt brings and the resulting beer will be a lot more pleasant.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: brewinhard on March 23, 2016, 03:26:31 PM
The highest I have gone with rye malt was 65% as well for a RyeWine I brewed 3 years ago. Awesome beer, but very oily and creamy even at a 1.016 FG.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: IMperry9 on March 23, 2016, 08:51:47 PM
I think I am still going to stick with 100% rye, I understand that It could be overbearing or not a beer I prefer but that's okay with me. I am just doing this for sake of experimentation. Worst case scenario is the beer is undrinkable and it gets dumped which by that time will only be 7-8 bottles at most which I don't think will happen.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: charles1968 on March 24, 2016, 08:21:44 AM
Another option if you like experimenting is to repeat the brew with ordinary pale ale malt and then blend in different proportions at bottling, so some 25% rye, some 50%, some 100% etc. Twice as much work brewing though.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: dilluh98 on March 24, 2016, 04:02:38 PM
Another option if you like experimenting is to repeat the brew with ordinary pale ale malt and then blend in different proportions at bottling, so some 25% rye, some 50%, some 100% etc. Twice as much work brewing though.

I like this idea. Although I am very curious as to the character of a 100% rye beer. I know many love it, but I am not a big fan of rye - for some reason, even small amounts seems to overpower everything for my palette.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: denny on March 24, 2016, 04:03:15 PM
Another option if you like experimenting is to repeat the brew with ordinary pale ale malt and then blend in different proportions at bottling, so some 25% rye, some 50%, some 100% etc. Twice as much work brewing though.

That's what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: DrewidBrews on June 02, 2016, 10:03:07 PM
Well.... How did this end up turning out? I'm still new to brewing, but love a good rye. mash batches should be what i focus on for a while so i can understand the ingredients i have at my disposal.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy
Post by: brewinhard on June 03, 2016, 12:39:43 PM
When you pour those bottles it will look like the beer is on nitro (ala Guiness) with all those head forming proteins. Must see a pic.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Galaxy UPDATE!
Post by: IMperry9 on December 06, 2016, 05:34:49 PM
Well I can't believe I haven't been on since May but I have been too busy with School and work to get any brewing going....But finally I just mashed in for this 100% rye beer with some minor changes...Same grain bill just not using that yeast or hops. I am going to use Willamette hops and Safale US-04. I know that it makes it a totally different beer but this is what I have on hand and it has been way too long since my last brew. I will keep this post updated over the next couple weeks!
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette UPDATE
Post by: IMperry9 on December 06, 2016, 06:37:34 PM
Almost finished with the mash and the wort isn't looking syrupy so I think the Beta-Glucanase rest did wonders. I also went with a thinner mash thickness. Looking good So far!
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette UPDATE
Post by: IMperry9 on December 06, 2016, 10:05:17 PM
So just put this one away to ferment, hit my OG 1.040 right on the mark, I did notice it was a little more difficult to lauter than most of my 1 gallon batches, still wasn't as bad as I expected. Cooled to 68F and pitched yeast. I'll post with an update once I bottle it!
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette UPDATE
Post by: brewinhard on December 06, 2016, 11:50:24 PM
So just put this one away to ferment, hit my OG 1.040 right on the mark, I did notice it was a little more difficult to lauter than most of my 1 gallon batches, still wasn't as bad as I expected. Cooled to 68F and pitched yeast. I'll post with an update once I bottle it!

Cool! Glad to hear you finally got the experimental batch done and underway. Please post your tasting results.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette UPDATE
Post by: IMperry9 on December 20, 2016, 01:41:02 AM
Well my buddy and I just had a brew day(brewed a Chocolate Rye Stout) and I bottled this beer as well. I used a decent amount of Willamette so the aroma is great and it has a nice color. I was going to add picture but forgot to take one... I can't wait to see how this one taste!
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette UPDATE
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 20, 2016, 01:44:57 AM
Well my buddy and I just had a brew day(brewed a Chocolate Rye Stout) and I bottled this beer as well. I used a decent amount of Willamette so the aroma is great and it has a nice color. I was going to add picture but forgot to take one... I can't wait to see how this one taste!


Awesome. Sounds good!
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette RESULTS
Post by: IMperry9 on December 27, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
So after much waiting and anticipation, this beer was finally ready to drink and the results we surprising. Sampled this one this morning with my friend and we were very happy with the results. The color was nice and light, hazy super thick body (One of the links is a quick video showing a small pour and how slowly the CO2 moved through the body). The aroma was fantastic floral and slightly grassy , I used home grown Willamette hops at 60, 30, and 15 minutes. The taste is full yet slightly earthy and spicy with nice moderate bitterness from the hops. I gotta say this beer turned out better than I could have imagined and has added to my love of rye malt. I think I am going to step it up and do a 5 Gallon batch using a decoction mash to hit my rest temps. Overall very happy with the results and hope you guys enjoyed following the process! Here are the links to the video and picture.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByIAOIn0UWEHdXNqLWMxNVNudEE
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByIAOIn0UWEHUTNLNzdrR01LOGs
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette RESULTS
Post by: dmtaylor on December 27, 2016, 06:56:58 PM
Looks gloopy, as expected!  Glad you like it.  :)
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette RESULTS
Post by: brewinhard on December 27, 2016, 07:04:53 PM
Oh yeah, classic chewy looking body. Gotta love the rye malt.
Title: Re: Experimental SMaSH Rye malt and Willamette RESULTS
Post by: coolman26 on December 28, 2016, 01:34:50 AM
Haven't used rye in a little while. Just put together a Saison recipe with Naked Oats, and now, rye.


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