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Title: Tobacco
Post by: unclebrazzie on April 19, 2016, 08:12:04 am
Anyone used it as an ingredient in beer?

I know of only one Belgian beer which claims to have tobacco in it: a "cigar stout" by Beryllium Erbium. Was a bit meh and decidedly un-cigar-ish, but I get the idea of how tobacco aroma could work in a stout.

Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: klickitat jim on April 19, 2016, 09:54:27 am
No, but now I'm craving an imperial stout and a berry wildwood
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Post by: homoeccentricus on April 19, 2016, 12:42:41 pm
No, but now I'm craving an imperial stout and a berry wildwood

I wish I had your talent for making up cigar names.  :(
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Post by: Pinski on April 19, 2016, 02:31:40 pm
I think, I'm gonna barf. ;)
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Post by: Todd H. on April 19, 2016, 02:56:01 pm
Not a beer, but I did make a coffee and tobacco creme brulee once.  You can get lots of the aromatics out of tobacco by extracting with vodka.
Pipe tobacco might taste better than cigar.
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Post by: fmader on April 19, 2016, 03:15:16 pm
We can brew an American light lager and steep some tobacco at flame out for 20 minutes or so....

....and call it Camel Lite  :P

Yeah...pretty lame...but I couldn't resist
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Post by: denny on April 19, 2016, 03:20:13 pm
Isn't tobacco poisonous?
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Post by: Pinski on April 19, 2016, 04:44:04 pm
Isn't tobacco poisonous?

Yes but the caveat, like most substances, it all about dosage. 
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Post by: Phil_M on April 19, 2016, 04:46:21 pm
Sorry, I think tobacco in beer, and my next thought is the smell of stale chewing tobacco spit.

I think pairing a stout and tobacco would be accomplished by way of a cigar while drinking the stout.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on April 19, 2016, 05:23:50 pm
I think, I'm gonna barf. ;)


I have to agree, Steve. To each his own though.
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Post by: Pinski on April 19, 2016, 05:41:41 pm
I think, I'm gonna barf. ;)


I have to agree, Steve. To each his own though.

Oh totally, and I get it... I get and enjoy notes of Spanish cedar and Pipe tobacco in big, typically wood aged beers.  In that sense, I appreciate "tobacco" in my beer. 

The notion of actually placing any tobacco in my beer though... makes me wanna barf.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 19, 2016, 05:47:49 pm
I think, I'm gonna barf. ;)


I have to agree, Steve. To each his own though.

Oh totally, and I get it... I get and enjoy notes of Spanish cedar and Pipe tobacco in big, typically wood aged beers.  In that sense, I appreciate "tobacco" in my beer. 

The notion of actually placing any tobacco in my beer though... makes me wanna barf.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: JJeffers09 on April 19, 2016, 05:59:29 pm
Couldn't you just put a dip in, and stop spitting while you drink a beer?  Delicious! Name it "RedMan Yum Yums"

Feeling any better pinski?
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: Pinski on April 19, 2016, 06:57:09 pm
Couldn't you just put a dip in, and stop spitting while you drink a beer?  Delicious! Name it "RedMan Yum Yums"

Feeling any better pinski?

I was always a Copenhagen guy, but yeah... that's how I know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: mabrungard on April 19, 2016, 06:58:58 pm
I recall working on cleaning up a pesticide-contaminated SuperFund site in Tifton, GA a couple of decades ago. There was a tobacco warehouse next door where the local growers would bring in their pallets of dried leaf for the brokers to come and purchase. What a wonderful, rich aroma emanated from that warehouse! All I could think was: how does something that smells so good, stink so bad when smoked???? (I'm not a smoker).

I think that some tobacco notes might be nice in a beer. 

Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: blair.streit on April 19, 2016, 08:47:37 pm
I recall working on cleaning up a pesticide-contaminated SuperFund site in Tifton, GA a couple of decades ago. There was a tobacco warehouse next door where the local growers would bring in their pallets of dried leaf for the brokers to come and purchase. What a wonderful, rich aroma emanated from that warehouse! All I could think was: how does something that smells so good, stink so bad when smoked???? (I'm not a smoker).

I think that some tobacco notes might be nice in a beer.
I agree - the smell of unburned tobacco is quite nice.

This reminds me of that Ron White comedy bit where he talks about the paper plant making such horrible smells. "You must be doing it wrong - trees don't smell like $..t, paper doesn't smell like $..t". Of course he got sued over that bit, but it's still funny.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: klickitat jim on April 19, 2016, 09:35:14 pm
No, but now I'm craving an imperial stout and a berry wildwood

I wish I had your talent for making up cigar names.  :(
I guess they are called Backwoods Mild n Wild, sorry. I quit smoking 6 years ago and kind of forgot
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Post by: homoeccentricus on April 19, 2016, 10:14:01 pm
I wouldn't know a cigar from a hole in the ground but I'm a search freak and I couldn't find that cigar :)
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Post by: mchrispen on April 19, 2016, 10:33:43 pm
A combination of cherries and chipotle can lend a pipe-tobacco sort of thing. Had that in a mead at Mazer cup and flipped out - it was really cool.
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Post by: jeffy on April 19, 2016, 11:27:58 pm
I recall working on cleaning up a pesticide-contaminated SuperFund site in Tifton, GA a couple of decades ago. There was a tobacco warehouse next door where the local growers would bring in their pallets of dried leaf for the brokers to come and purchase. What a wonderful, rich aroma emanated from that warehouse! All I could think was: how does something that smells so good, stink so bad when smoked???? (I'm not a smoker).

I think that some tobacco notes might be nice in a beer.
When I was a child I spent some time on a working tobacco farm in Central Kentucky.  The smell of fresh cut tobacco hanging in the barn is still one of my fondest sensory memories.  I need to go back and revisit that.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on April 19, 2016, 11:47:27 pm
I recall working on cleaning up a pesticide-contaminated SuperFund site in Tifton, GA a couple of decades ago. There was a tobacco warehouse next door where the local growers would bring in their pallets of dried leaf for the brokers to come and purchase. What a wonderful, rich aroma emanated from that warehouse! All I could think was: how does something that smells so good, stink so bad when smoked???? (I'm not a smoker).

I think that some tobacco notes might be nice in a beer.
When I was a child I spent some time on a working tobacco farm in Central Kentucky.  The smell of fresh cut tobacco hanging in the barn is still one of my fondest sensory memories.  I need to go back and revisit that.


My Grandpa had a farm in southwest Kentucky and raised tobacco, livestock, and tons of vegetables. I spent several summers there. Remember that smell well. I remember the hard work, too.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: erockrph on April 20, 2016, 12:00:41 am
I get tobacco notes from some English hop varieties on occasion (EKG's and Challenger in particular), but it's usually a background note rather than the dominant flavor. Maybe a light dose of black or oolong tea along with some spanish cedar may approximate a tobacco flavor?
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Post by: Phil_M on April 20, 2016, 12:05:33 am
I get tobacco notes from some English hop varieties on occasion (EKG's and Challenger in particular), but it's usually a background note rather than the dominant flavor.

I'd have to check my notes, but I do remember one of my British-style beers being very reminiscent of pipe-tobacco. I remember using a lot of fuggles, might have even dry hopped with them.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on April 20, 2016, 01:32:02 am
Isn't tobacco poisonous?

Isn't alcohol poisonous?

No, but now I'm craving an imperial stout and a berry wildwood

I wish I had your talent for making up cigar names.  :(
I guess they are called Backwoods Mild n Wild, sorry. I quit smoking 6 years ago and kind of forgot

Dunno what it says about me, but I knew exactly what you meant.  Thems what looks like what Clint smoked in the old spaghetti westerns.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: yso191 on April 20, 2016, 03:34:11 am
One of my favorite flavor-layers in Grahams Six Grape Ruby Oporto is tobacco.  I can see it working in a malt focused beer: Porter, Stout, etc.   It would be an interesting exercise to think through all the malt and hop flavors to make it work together.

And count me as one who really enjoys the flavor and aroma of premium tobacco smoke.  I don't inhale, but do enjoy puffing on cigars.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: unclebrazzie on April 20, 2016, 08:45:17 am
So far, I see two camps forming.

Camp "I like tobacco notes in beer if they don't actually come from tobacco"

and Camp Barf.

Neither camp seems to encourage adding tobacco to beer.

Now why does that only strengthen my resolve?
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: klickitat jim on April 20, 2016, 10:32:05 am
Beechnut Aged?
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 20, 2016, 11:49:01 am
Beechnut Aged?


Almost choked on my coffee. Good stuff.
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Post by: leejoreilly on April 20, 2016, 12:13:39 pm
So far, I see two camps forming.

Camp "I like tobacco notes in beer if they don't actually come from tobacco"

and Camp Barf.

Neither camp seems to encourage adding tobacco to beer.

Now why does that only strengthen my resolve?

So, if you wanted barnyard notes, would you dry-horse?
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: homoeccentricus on April 20, 2016, 12:16:05 pm
Beechnut Aged?


Almost choked on my coffee. Good stuff.

please explain to a twerp from Antwerp :(
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Post by: HoosierBrew on April 20, 2016, 12:23:34 pm
Beechnut Aged?


Almost choked on my coffee. Good stuff.

please explain to a twerp from Antwerp :(


Beechnut is a brand of chewing tobacco here in the states. Brings back images of old farts and rednecks chewing and spitting.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: fmader on April 20, 2016, 01:28:20 pm
Beechnut Aged?


Almost choked on my coffee. Good stuff.

please explain to a twerp from Antwerp :(


Beechnut is a brand of chewing tobacco here in the states. Brings back images of old farts and rednecks chewing and spitting.

Reminds me of high school baseball practice. It was cool to have a big ol chaw of Levi Garrett, Redman, or Beechnut in your cheek.... While terribly trying to hide it from the coaches.
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Post by: Pinski on April 20, 2016, 02:14:40 pm
Beechnut Aged?


Almost choked on my coffee. Good stuff.

please explain to a twerp from Antwerp :(

He added Beechnut.
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Post by: fmader on April 20, 2016, 02:33:51 pm
... Or we can can this said tobacco beer and call it.... "Prince Albert In a Can"

  8)
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Post by: FaradayUncaged on April 20, 2016, 04:15:51 pm
So far, I see two camps forming.

Camp "I like tobacco notes in beer if they don't actually come from tobacco"

and Camp Barf.

Neither camp seems to encourage adding tobacco to beer.

Now why does that only strengthen my resolve?

Definitely part of both groups, maybe more so the former, but I'm very interested in this if you do try to experiment.
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: homoeccentricus on April 20, 2016, 05:06:09 pm
Please, don't encourage him. It's easy when there's a ocean between the two of you.
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Post by: erockrph on April 20, 2016, 09:51:22 pm
Beechnut Aged?


Almost choked on my coffee. Good stuff.

please explain to a twerp from Antwerp :(
Beechnut is a brand of chewing tobacco here in the states. Brings back images of old farts and rednecks chewing and spitting.
A country boy can survive...

And I'm not sure how it's marketed over in Europe, but "Beechwood aged" is the tag line of the King of Beers. He's a punny man, that Jim :)
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Post by: Steve Ruch on April 20, 2016, 10:01:15 pm
Reminds me of high school baseball practice. It was cool to have a big ol chaw of Levi Garrett, Redman, or Beechnut in your cheek.... While terribly trying to hide it from the coaches.

Want to have some fun? Clean out a chewing tobacco tin and fill it full of tootsie roll after running it through a pencil sharpener. When you're around a bunch of the guys chew and spit a couple of time then chew and swallow the next couple of chews.
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Post by: erockrph on April 20, 2016, 10:36:54 pm
Reminds me of high school baseball practice. It was cool to have a big ol chaw of Levi Garrett, Redman, or Beechnut in your cheek.... While terribly trying to hide it from the coaches.

Want to have some fun? Clean out a chewing tobacco tin and fill it full of tootsie roll after running it through a pencil sharpener. When you're around a bunch of the guys chew and spit a couple of time then chew and swallow the next couple of chews.

Awesome! I will have to file this away for hunting season this year...
Title: Re: Tobacco
Post by: homoeccentricus on April 21, 2016, 06:48:27 am
Beechnut Aged?


Almost choked on my coffee. Good stuff.

please explain to a twerp from Antwerp :(
Beechnut is a brand of chewing tobacco here in the states. Brings back images of old farts and rednecks chewing and spitting.
A country boy can survive...

And I'm not sure how it's marketed over in Europe, but "Beechwood aged" is the tag line of the King of Beers. He's a punny man, that Jim :)
Yes, i can easily imagine him getting hardened wiseguys on their knees with just a few wisecracks.