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Title: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: beerocd on June 29, 2010, 06:23:22 PM
The timing seems right...

The FDA currently is reviewing the safety of AquaBounty's biotech salmon, called AquAdvantage, that grows faster than natural Atlantic salmon. The biotech fish could reach the market in about a year and would be the first bioengineered animal available for human consumption once it gains approval.

Goes with... budweiser? (I figure something i don't want to eat, with something i don't want to drink)
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: denny on June 29, 2010, 06:25:58 PM
If it's not wild Chinook, it's not salmon!
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: babalu87 on June 29, 2010, 06:36:02 PM
These "farmed" fish are the scourge of the ocean

Tuna "farming" is the absolute worse.
Take an entire school, net it up, fatten and bring to market.............whats the harm?
Well, besides the bio harm (picture a thousand tuna crapping in the same place every day for months) they take a year class of fish that imprint (similar to salmon) out of the gene pool.................. forever.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: tygo on June 29, 2010, 07:15:23 PM
Perhaps they can just use the bio-engineered salmon to make vodka.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100629/ap_on_bi_ge/us_salmon_vodka

Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: beerocd on June 29, 2010, 07:22:31 PM
Well, if you can get everyone to try it just once.... $$$

And I guess the mutant DNA doesn't get into our systems that way either.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: bluesman on June 29, 2010, 07:35:39 PM
I think the jury will be out on this one for a while.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: The Professor on June 29, 2010, 08:38:19 PM
If it's not wild Chinook, it's not salmon!


AMEN to that!
Farm raised salmon is bad enough...now bioengineered too?  And like bioengineered vegetables, they will likely not be required to identify it as such?

I envy you west-coasters...here in the east farm raised Atlantic salmon is prevalent (and tasteless, and nutritionally deficient besides) and wild Atlantic salmon is all but extinct.

Love that Chinook or Sockeye when I can get it!!!. 
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: maxieboy on July 03, 2010, 01:10:05 AM
Farm raised salmon = garbage. Bioengineered farm raised salmon = fast growing garbage...

I think the jury will be out on this one for a while.

It's already in. Yuck.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: uthristy on September 21, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
LINK (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WellnessNews/fda-unable-reach-conclusion-genetically-modified-salmon/story?id=11682586)
FDA Panel Unable to Reach Conclusion on Genetically Modified Salmon
Public Hearing Concludes, No Vote or Recommendation by FDA



LINK 2 (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703989304575504583487711368.html)
FDA Panel Supportive of Gene-Altered Salmon, but More Research Needed


GoogleNews reports (http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&ncl=d6mvap_o_OADycMWznV5t0Xag05RM&topic=m)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HebHJGR5JjI/SKrh9boFAKI/AAAAAAAAAPM/aODZaMu-FYQ/s400/Blinky.jpg)
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: tubercle on September 21, 2010, 08:37:56 PM
Talk about your genetic deficiencies....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

Is salmon pickin' a banjo next?
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: maxieboy on September 21, 2010, 10:43:32 PM
Talk about your genetic deficiencies....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

Is salmon pickin' a banjo next?

Eat GE salmon and end up like the banjo player in Deliverance!
Don't fool with Mother Nature...


Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on September 21, 2010, 11:54:05 PM
Count me out. The farm-raised stuff is bad enough. Every time we go messing with nature, there seem to be "unforeseen" consequences, both direct and collateral.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: beerocd on September 22, 2010, 12:55:53 AM
Count me out. The farm-raised stuff is bad enough. Every time we go messing with nature, there seem to be "unforeseen" consequences, both direct and collateral.

Sure but how many years did they sell us the color added farm raised junk before they told us? Someone is going to decide there is no significant difference between natural and frankenfish and therefore they don't have to tell you. Follow the $$$.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: denny on September 22, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
As I said previously...

If it's not wild Chinook, it's not salmon!
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: narcout on September 22, 2010, 02:27:18 AM
The article I read about these salmon on CNN also mentioned that genetically engineered organisms have been used for some time in brewing. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it again.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: tschmidlin on September 22, 2010, 05:15:03 AM
The article I read about these salmon on CNN also mentioned that genetically engineered organisms have been used for some time in brewing. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it again.
There's a short comment in this article, with no references to back it up:
http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2010/09/20/genetically-modified-salmon/?hpt=T2

But there are some breweries who use GM corn in their beer.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: uthristy on September 22, 2010, 11:24:33 AM
We have been eatting GMO foods since the  90s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: beerocd on September 22, 2010, 12:05:24 PM
We have been eatting GMO foods since the  90s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food

There's no alternative in most of those cases. Also, they don't make it quite as public as this salmon thing.
copyright/patenting food is crap IMO. All they have to do is crate an invasive species, that drowns out the natural animal/plant and next thing you know... monopoly.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: nicneufeld on September 22, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
Genetically modified foods can be very good, and very bad, depending on the circumstances.  I view it as morally neutral on the whole.  Centuries ago the idea of selective breeding and splicing to create new varietals, new fruits, more disease resistant crops, etc., probably seemed unnatural to some.  In another few centuries genetically modified food will seem old hat and uncontroversial and there will be some other cause celebre for the world's richest and best-fed people groups to get their dander up about.

That is, unless the Great Prophet Zarquon returns first!!
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: redbeerman on September 24, 2010, 06:35:56 PM
If it's not wild Chinook, it's not salmon!


AMEN to that!
Farm raised salmon is bad enough...now bioengineered too?  And like bioengineered vegetables, they will likely not be required to identify it as such?

I envy you west-coasters...here in the east farm raised Atlantic salmon is prevalent (and tasteless, and nutritionally deficient besides) and wild Atlantic salmon is all but extinct.

Love that Chinook or Sockeye when I can get it!!!. 



I agree, the farm raised fish are way too oily and taste like crap.  I have had farmed shell fish though and they were pretty good (clams and Chinocoteague oysters)
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: euge on September 24, 2010, 06:58:33 PM
Soylent Green was on last weekend. Let's hope we don't go that route. ::)

Farm raised oysters are excellent. Otherwise I'm on the flip-side. If it's Bio-engineered... a little disconcerting but OK. My main concern is growth-hormone and antibiotics in beef, pork and poultry. Trying not to think about it.

If we want fresh unadulterated fish- salmon in particular we'll need to do something about our rivers and allow them to multiply naturally or aided by hatcheries and released into the wild.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: MrNate on September 24, 2010, 07:27:13 PM
We have been eatting GMO foods since the  90s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food

There's no alternative in most of those cases. Also, they don't make it quite as public as this salmon thing.
copyright/patenting food is crap IMO. All they have to do is crate an invasive species, that drowns out the natural animal/plant and next thing you know... monopoly.

I agree. GM food is one of those things I dislike on principle, mostly due to the dependence. Get rid of the patent laws on food crops and let Monsanto go back to selling Roundup for a living.
Title: Re: Bioengineered Salmon?
Post by: beerocd on September 25, 2010, 01:26:27 AM
Soylent Green was on last weekend. Let's hope we don't go that route. ::)


It's really probably the only reasonable direction to go. Too many people on the planet.
Everyone going vegetarian is NOT the answer. Prisons would become feed lots basically, clean em up - get the drugs out of their systems, fatten them up a bit and utilize them for the better good. People wouldn't be so cavalier about doing time anymore. It'd clean up the world in so many ways.