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Title: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on June 21, 2016, 01:02:13 AM
How about the history making Cleveland Cavaliers! Wow Epic series and epic game 7 conclusion to the long awaited championship.


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Post by: beersk on June 21, 2016, 01:11:14 AM
I had ZERO investment in it, but my dad was explaining to me about Golden State and how they had some kind of amazing run and he was pissed that the Cavaliers came and ruined it for them. I didn't really care, but empathized with him, especially because LeDouche James plays for the Cavaliers. But it seems like all the greats are douches. Michael Jordan was, wasn't he?
This really is a question, I have never been into NBA.
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Post by: Stevie on June 21, 2016, 01:28:10 AM
My dad tells me that NBA officiating is on par with Don King promoted boxing matches.
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Post by: blair.streit on June 21, 2016, 01:49:44 AM
Was Larry Bird a douche? Seriously asking -- that's about the last time I paid any attention to basketball and AFAIK he didn't go Bill Cosby, but maybe I missed it.
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Post by: Ale Farmer on June 21, 2016, 02:48:32 AM
As a Boston Red Sox fan, I'm glad to see another franchise finally has broken its curse, too. A great series between two great teams two years running. And maybe next year they'll play again in the finals? I hope so.
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Post by: santoch on June 21, 2016, 03:29:52 AM
I never heard of Larry Bird being a douche.  Michael Jordan, either.
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Post by: erockrph on June 21, 2016, 10:50:03 AM
I never heard of Larry Bird being a douche.  Michael Jordan, either.
I've heard them all called legendary trash talkers, but I've never heard of them being jerks off the court.
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Post by: theDarkSide on June 21, 2016, 12:06:15 PM
I never heard of Larry Bird being a douche.  Michael Jordan, either.


MJ will come up to you on a plane to see if you're wearing the right underwear...decent guy if you ask me :)

I'm just glad it's over so sports radio can stop talking about it.  I mean the Sox are in a race for first place and the Pats have had their first offseason workouts...who watches basketball anyways.

The only curse I want to see broken is the Cubs (assuming the Red Sox are out of it).  And of course that Patriots curse of not winning a Superbowl for 1 year straight...we've waited long enough! ;)
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: beersk on June 21, 2016, 12:39:17 PM
I never heard of Larry Bird being a douche.  Michael Jordan, either.



The only curse I want to see broken is the Cubs
Now you're talkin'. I'm really hoping for them this year, they're an amazing team. Thanks to Joe Maddon! Best manager the Cubs have had in a long time. They seem like more of a team than I ever remember.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 21, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
The only curse I want to see broken is the Cubs
Now you're talkin'. I'm really hoping for them this year, they're an amazing team. Thanks to Joe Maddon! Best manager the Cubs have had in a long time. They seem like more of a team than I ever remember.




+1 to that.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: beersk on June 21, 2016, 01:05:32 PM
The only curse I want to see broken is the Cubs
Now you're talkin'. I'm really hoping for them this year, they're an amazing team. Thanks to Joe Maddon! Best manager the Cubs have had in a long time. They seem like more of a team than I ever remember.




+1 to that.
And the thing of it is, when they lose, they play amazingly. Last night's loss against the Cards was no cheap win for the Cards. The Cubs fought to the end, it really seems like post season play a lot of the time, even when the Cubs lose. It's felt that way especially with the close loss to the Nats and the Cards in the last couple games. That's the mark of a great team.

Anyway, I didn't realize Cleveland had some curse. I just knew Lebron James played on the team, based on what my dad was telling me, and that James said he planned to go elsewhere after this season. It's like, dude, why can't you just stay on one team and dominate? You need more f*cking money, ya a-hole? You need more MILLIONS? I mean, seriously people... MJ was a Bulls guy to the end...that is respectable and admirable. I like when players pledge themselves to a team, it's cool, it's loyal.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on June 21, 2016, 01:39:47 PM
And the thing of it is, when they lose, they play amazingly. Last night's loss against the Cards was no cheap win for the Cards. The Cubs fought to the end, it really seems like post season play a lot of the time, even when the Cubs lose. It's felt that way especially with the close loss to the Nats and the Cards in the last couple games. That's the mark of a great team.


As a life long Cubs fan, I'm pretty excited. But the old school Cubs fan in me thinks that, since the stars are finally all perfectly aligned for it to happen, it probably won't. However the combo of Theo and Joe wasn't there before. That's how you build and manage a team.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: beersk on June 21, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
And the thing of it is, when they lose, they play amazingly. Last night's loss against the Cards was no cheap win for the Cards. The Cubs fought to the end, it really seems like post season play a lot of the time, even when the Cubs lose. It's felt that way especially with the close loss to the Nats and the Cards in the last couple games. That's the mark of a great team.


As a life long Cubs fan, I'm pretty excited. But the old school Cubs fan in me thinks that, since the stars are finally all perfectly aligned for it to happen, it probably won't. However the combo of Theo and Joe wasn't there before. That's how you build and manage a team.
Absolutely. They finally have people that know their sh*t, regardless of some curse. Personally, I'd like to just see them actually make it to the World Series. Winning it would just be the cherry on top. Since 1945 is a long long time for a team to not even make it there.
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Post by: pete b on June 21, 2016, 03:42:36 PM
Growing up a Red Sox fan I'm happy to see Cleveland win a championship and would love to see the Cubs win the WS in a year the Sox were not in the World series. Growing up a Red Sox fan was a special kind of suffering: I was born in 1968 and my whole life they have had solid to stellar teams almost every year and came so close so many times, so the disappointment was not a slow realization they are having a bad year but a stab in  the heart. Just in my lifetime so many just missed playoffs/pennants, Bucky Effing Dent, Bill Buckner, Aaron Boone, a few close playoff series, etc etc. Ironically, since winning in 2004 its just not the same being a Red Sox fan, no longer the hard luck underdog but the big salary big market team.
As far as Larry Bird goes, not sure how much his d-bagness was just trash talking or if he was a jerk off the court. Those things didn't get the coverage they do today, they weren't followed around by paparazzi etc. so who knows. I thought of Bird a couple years ago when the defensive back for the Seahawks (Sherman?) trash talked after a huge playoff game and people went crazy calling him all kinds of names. Larry Bird did that 50 times a year but if you were not a local boy watching post game interviews you wouldn't know, there was no Sportcenter or internet. We called him "competitive".
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Post by: Phil_M on June 21, 2016, 04:17:26 PM
I mean the Sox are in a race for first place

Speaking of which, why isn't that getting more press coverage? The O's and Red Sox have been neck and neck all year, and ESPN's website have no mention of last week's series on their front MLB page. Hate the fact that the media kinda pans our division whenever the Yankees are having a bad year.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: beersk on June 21, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Ironically, since winning in 2004 its just not the same being a Red Sox fan, no longer the hard luck underdog but the big salary big market team.

Interesting. I wonder how much the Cubs would seem this way if they won the World Series. I'm not thinking that far ahead though. I just love seeing them being such a great team this year. It's so much fun. Even when they lose, like yesterday and to the Nats the other day, it's just fun and great baseball.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on June 21, 2016, 04:33:59 PM
Interesting. I wonder how much the Cubs would seem this way if they won the World Series.


Sounds like a good problem to have, to me. Bring it on.    ;D
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: 69franx on June 21, 2016, 04:37:07 PM
Back to the Cavs, so happy to see a Cleveland team win a championship. I agree that some loyalty from the players would be nice, but it just doesn't happen in this day and age. I was amazed the Cavs were able to re-sign James after his rookie contract. I wish we had not needed him to win a championship. As a almost 20 year resident of Cleveland, I will never forgive him for the arrogance of his stupid televised "decision." He's a punk with some basketball skills, with no class or loyalty. When you let your posse drive your decisions, and put up with their nonsense, you will make the non loyal decision every time as they only care about how much cash you bring in. If he finishes his career in Cleveland,  I will still feel this way
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Post by: chumley on June 21, 2016, 11:05:20 PM
Very happy that the Cavs won, especially against Golden State. Not that I have anything against Golden State, except I despise all their bandwagon fans.

Your typical Cowboys/Yankees/Warriors fan (courtesy of Jimmy Kempski of the Philly Voice):

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Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: Stevie on June 22, 2016, 12:03:15 AM
Your list is lacking the Pats, Seahawks and Lakers

Bandwagon fans are new for the warriors. My Dad has been a fan from the time he moved to CA in the late 60's. Nice to see him enjoy their current run.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: kmccaf on June 22, 2016, 12:25:01 AM
Back to the Cavs, so happy to see a Cleveland team win a championship. I agree that some loyalty from the players would be nice, but it just doesn't happen in this day and age. I was amazed the Cavs were able to re-sign James after his rookie contract. I wish we had not needed him to win a championship. As a almost 20 year resident of Cleveland, I will never forgive him for the arrogance of his stupid televised "decision." He's a punk with some basketball skills, with no class or loyalty. When you let your posse drive your decisions, and put up with their nonsense, you will make the non loyal decision every time as they only care about how much cash you bring in. If he finishes his career in Cleveland,  I will still feel this way

I don't really understand this. He came back, apologized, and won a championship. What more could you want from him?
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: 69franx on June 22, 2016, 01:41:01 AM
His arrogance in that debacle is and always will be unforgivable.  Just my thought and thousands of native Clevelanders
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Post by: pete b on June 22, 2016, 02:46:28 AM
His arrogance in that debacle is and always will be unforgivable.  Just my thought and thousands of native Clevelanders
I actually see it as a mistake made by a young man. I don't know what I would have done in those.shoes. Too much of people's own stuff is projected on these people. I don't know. Unforgivable? As if they are doing something to us. Like I said "I don't know."
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Post by: 69franx on June 22, 2016, 02:55:01 AM
I hear you Pete,  but in reality, he knew what he was going to do beforehand and mislead the Cleveland fans, his coach,  his team mates, and his owner into thinking he might stay in Cleveland.  In the end, he could not just have a conversation with the necessary people,  he had to make it a nationwide spectacle on live TV. I also fault ESPN for broadcasting that selfish BS. I don't fault him for leaving, just the way he handled it. Cocky, arrogant, self important non sense allowed to take place because of the devotion of his fans and the hype of the media. Who else in the last 40 years had a live ESPN presentation of their choice of where to play? Nobody, because it's crass and disrespectful. For someone with his exposure, someone in his camp surely told him it was in poor taste and yet, he still did it. Again, in my eyes, unforgivable
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: 69franx on June 22, 2016, 02:56:21 AM
In the end, the Cavs won a championship with his help. I won't give him more credit than that no matter what the stats were
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Post by: Stevie on June 22, 2016, 03:04:09 AM
I'm with you here. He made a stupid decision when he chose to make it into a spectacle. Overall he seems like an ok guy.
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Post by: narvin on June 22, 2016, 03:00:11 PM
"Cavaliers invite Bernie Kosar to ride in victory parade"

Well now it's just getting sad.  If anything, this will start a new curse.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 22, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
"Cavaliers invite Bernie Kosar to ride in victory parade"

Well now it's just getting sad.  If anything, this will start a new curse.


Awesome  ;D   
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: 69franx on June 22, 2016, 03:04:13 PM
"Cavaliers invite Bernie Kosar to ride in victory parade"

Well now it's just getting sad.  If anything, this will start a new curse.
Sounds about right, but I sure hope not
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Post by: Steve Ruch on June 22, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
"Cleveland rocks!" Drew Carey.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: blair.streit on June 22, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Don't talk to me about bandwagons and the Cowboys. I was a fan in the late 80's. Even in 1989 when they were 1-15, my grandfather would get up and walk out of church at 11:55  if the preacher was still preaching because the Cowboys game kicked off at noon. Going  from that to winning the Super Bowl in '92 was pretty amazing to watch. Of course there were a lot of bandwagon folks later, but wearing the star in the late 80s took some courage.
Title: Re: Curse is over in cleveland
Post by: jeffy on June 23, 2016, 09:39:55 PM
I never heard of Larry Bird being a douche.  Michael Jordan, either.



The only curse I want to see broken is the Cubs
Now you're talkin'. I'm really hoping for them this year, they're an amazing team. Thanks to Joe Maddon! Best manager the Cubs have had in a long time. They seem like more of a team than I ever remember.

We are kind of missing Joe Maddon here these days.  I am happy for him that he gets to be a part of Cubs lore, but the Rays are not the same since he left.
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Post by: erockrph on June 24, 2016, 03:07:44 AM
I never heard of Larry Bird being a douche.  Michael Jordan, either.



The only curse I want to see broken is the Cubs
Now you're talkin'. I'm really hoping for them this year, they're an amazing team. Thanks to Joe Maddon! Best manager the Cubs have had in a long time. They seem like more of a team than I ever remember.

We are kind of missing Joe Maddon here these days.  I am happy for him that he gets to be a part of Cubs lore, but the Rays are not the same since he left.
As a Red Sox fan, I got to see a lot of the Rays over the years, and Maddon quickly gained my respect as one of the best managers in the game today. He did great things with the raw talent he was given in Tampa. Pairing him with Theo will be a recipe for success for the Cubs, methinks.
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Post by: juggabrew303 on June 24, 2016, 04:25:25 AM
Back to the Cavs, so happy to see a Cleveland team win a championship. I agree that some loyalty from the players would be nice, but it just doesn't happen in this day and age. I was amazed the Cavs were able to re-sign James after his rookie contract. I wish we had not needed him to win a championship. As a almost 20 year resident of Cleveland, I will never forgive him for the arrogance of his stupid televised "decision." He's a punk with some basketball skills, with no class or loyalty. When you let your posse drive your decisions, and put up with their nonsense, you will make the non loyal decision every time as they only care about how much cash you bring in. If he finishes his career in Cleveland,  I will still feel this way
Your opinion is of the minority, just ask the 1.3 million people who gathered in c-town to celebrate this historic achievement.  Yes, his decision to announce leaving was poor taste but as a person who was born and raised in CLE we support our own no matter what.  Lebron didn't have to come back, but he did to make good on a promise to this great city and to the fans to bring us a championship.   I will never forget this moment for as long as I live, and I will never take for granted how lucky we are to have a championship team.  Your opinion is yours, but it's not north east Ohio's opinion I can guarantee that


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Post by: 69franx on June 24, 2016, 05:57:04 AM
I understand your opininon, but my friends still in Northern Ohio are ecstatic that the Cavs won, as am I.  They still no longer worship him, and still fully expect him to show his true colors again. Not only am I Cleveland born, but I went to the same high school as James. In the end, as I said several times above, my opinions are mine, I am happy the Cavs won, and he is still not my favorite player and never will be. As for 1.3 million in the parade, it was a Cavs celebration, not a James celebration, so that convinces me of nothing. I can't stand him; and if I still lived in Cleveland, I would have been at the parade as well, celebrating the victory, not him. We are allowed to have differing opinions and to discuss them, and both feel correct.   No problems there
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Post by: Steve Ruch on June 25, 2016, 03:10:25 AM
Lebron didn't have to come back, but he did to make good on a promise to this great city and to the fans to bring us a championship. 
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Everyone is allowed to change employers as they see fit. What should count is how they do their job when they are on your payroll.
Lots of people are jerks and the majority of us never know about it. Personally I wouldn't ever get all that upset over what any athlete says or does.
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Post by: weazletoe on July 14, 2016, 04:59:24 AM
I literally threw up with excitement!!!!! 8)