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Title: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: denny on July 07, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
Drew and I have started an Experimental Brewing YouTube channel.  Here's the first upload....

https://www.youtube.com/embed/YHsukb9W6MQ
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: klickitat jim on July 07, 2016, 11:05:07 PM
I clicked it and within 10 seconds my wife said "What, the hell?"
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: denny on July 07, 2016, 11:49:02 PM
I clicked it and within 10 seconds my wife said "What, the hell?"

Guess we need to put a ukulele warning on it!
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: HoosierBrew on July 07, 2016, 11:55:43 PM
Song is totally stuck in my head, Denny. I'm still waiting for a screaming uke solo, though.   ;D
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: denny on July 08, 2016, 12:03:32 AM
Song is totally stuck in my head, Denny. I'm still waiting for a screaming uke solo, though.   ;D

I'm working on the head banger version....
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Philbrew on July 08, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
To answer the topic question "Why Do You Homebrew?".  Because I live in beer lovers BFE.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: blair.streit on July 09, 2016, 01:09:06 PM
Because ... beer
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Steve Ruch on July 09, 2016, 03:47:52 PM
Because if I fool around with the hard stuff I end up doing crazy crap like play the ukulele. :)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Phil_M on July 11, 2016, 11:57:34 AM
I brew because it's just more fun than relying on buying beer. I enjoy eating at good restaurants, but I still cook. Why not do the same with beer?
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: sprinter3 on July 11, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
GREAT answer Phil M.  Same here.  I like beer and the ability to create my own and tinker with the flavors etc.  I think I like the PROCESS of brewing as much as I like the end result.  Much like why I do competitive BBQ.  I LOVE the PROCESS of creating delicious briskets and pork butts and ribs and chicken etc.  I can go to a BBQ restaurant and order that stuff any day of the week, WITH a beer.   But I still like to do it by myself at home.  There is something about the creative process that lures me in to both of the hobbies.

Troy
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: HoosierBrew on July 11, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
I brew because it's just more fun than relying on buying beer. I enjoy eating at good restaurants, but I still cook. Why not do the same with beer?


I agree, Phil. Also, with all the mediocre beer out there I like the satisfaction that I can do better.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Chronospa on July 11, 2016, 01:50:22 PM
This!!

I also do BBQ/Smoking (not competitively) and make my own bacon, jerky, and sausage. I get as much enjoyment out of learning how to do things on my own as I do eating/drinking the results. I also love having my young children involved so they can learn more skills and appreciation of the world. Respect the pig, he died for your bacon! It's also a great excuse to get the kids to spend more time with Dad

When people think that's weird I also say it's because I can control what I put in my body and I know it's safe and quality.

GREAT answer Phil M.  Same here.  I like beer and the ability to create my own and tinker with the flavors etc.  I think I like the PROCESS of brewing as much as I like the end result.  Much like why I do competitive BBQ.  I LOVE the PROCESS of creating delicious briskets and pork butts and ribs and chicken etc.  I can go to a BBQ restaurant and order that stuff any day of the week, WITH a beer.   But I still like to do it by myself at home.  There is something about the creative process that lures me in to both of the hobbies.

Troy
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: dmtaylor on July 11, 2016, 02:16:50 PM
I homebrew as a creative outlet as well as to satisfy my neverending nerdy need to generate Excel spreadsheets about stuff.  It bridges my loves for cooking, science, and beer in such a perfect manner.  I can get as nerdy as I want, and as creative as I want, and in the end, well, it's BEER, so you know you'll want to drink it.  :)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Phil_M on July 11, 2016, 04:24:59 PM
I homebrew as a creative outlet as well as to satisfy my neverending nerdy need to generate Excel spreadsheets about stuff.  It bridges my loves for cooking, science, and beer in such a perfect manner.  I can get as nerdy as I want, and as creative as I want, and in the end, well, it's BEER, so you know you'll want to drink it.  :)

I have plans for going wild with data logging in my home brewery. Feed everything (mash temps/times, boil length/evaporation, fermentation temps/times, etc) into a database, then be able to chart/mine that data. Completely unnecessary, but it would be a blast.
Title: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Stevie on July 11, 2016, 04:52:04 PM
Because commercial beer is absurdly expensive. $10-15 six packs and $7-10 bombers! Sours are even worse. I don't mind putting in the work and time in honing my ability to make good beers.

I drink commercial when I am out to eat, but I only buy a six pack or two per month.

It's also why I make my own pizza dough. Pizza restaurants are expensive and I can make 8 pizzas worth of dough for the price of one premade dough. Mine is better too.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: jimmykx250 on July 11, 2016, 05:20:13 PM
Because commercial beer is absurdly expensive. $10-15 six packs and $7-10 bombers! Sours are even worse. I don't mind putting in the work and time in honing my ability to make good beers.

I drink commercial when I am out to eat, but I only buy a six pack or two per month.

It's also why I make my own pizza dough. Pizza restaurants are expensive and I can make 8 pizzas worth of dough for the price of one premade dough. Mine is better too.

I couldn't agree more. I joke with my wife and tell her I cant afford to drink the stuff i like and would not drink if i had to go back to lite! Care to share your pizza dough recipe? I make mine with pre made crusts from mama tischs. They are good and I save money over the local pizza house but know I could do better.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Stevie on July 11, 2016, 05:40:50 PM
I use various modified Reinhardt doughs. I recommend his pizza book, but bear in mind it is more of a text than it is a recipe book. I like his basic four ingredient dough which a modified version is below for 8 thin crust small pizzas.

30oz bread flour (add a bit more if dough is too sticky)
4 tsp of kosher salt
1.5 tsp instant yeast
2.25 cups cool water (add bit more if dough is stiff)

Mix and knead until you can stretch a snippet without tearing.
Divide into 8 balls
rub with light coat of olive oil
put in sandwich bags, leave open
Let rest 30 minutes
Close bags and Fridge for 12-16 hours
Warm for 2 hours
Freeze any not using that day (thaw frozen dough for 8-12 hours before warming)

Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: JJeffers09 on July 11, 2016, 06:02:07 PM
I brew because

Tastes better than most s*** on the shelf
It is manlier than Knitting
More fun than Ham Radio
I cut myself while woodworking/widdling
I like to say "I made this drink" while I play pool
Neuroplasticity
aaand because I am to broke to fly.

My Favorite Pizza Dough (Sicilian Style)
hydrate the yeast
10g of Dry Yeast
1/4 c. of 107F water
Pinch of Sugar

combine and rest 2 minutes stir to dissolve

Dough
4 c. bread flour (I like King Arthur Unbleached Flour)
1 1/4 c. 107F water
2 1/2 tsp Coarse Salt
1/4 c. Olive Oil

combine flour, water, salt, and olive oil and hydrated yeast.  Mix until all combined, then knead for 10 mins.  Adding more flour if necessary.  Cover and let it rise until it doubles, away from a window, I put mine on top of my refrigerator.  ~1.25hrs for me.  Pull from the bowl onto floured surface softly push out to relatively even.  Then split into 2 (if you want to make breadsticks that's another story) and either toss or roll into the shape you want.  If you want to press into a pan, grease (not oiled) the pan and pinch into the edge. score the dough (not the crust) and par bake at 375F for 8 mins then add toppings.  If you are throwing onto a pizza stone - preheat the oven to 475F with the pizza stone in the oven.  After it has come to temp for 5 mins. pull the pizza stone from the oven and place your dough on the stone.  I sometimes like to add salt cracked pepper before placing my dough down on the stone, if I wanna get fancy with it. However, top your pizza while the bottom starts to crust while it is on the hot stone and away it goes in the oven, bake for about 8-12mins and check for doneness.  You should be able to lift the edge with a knife, it should be evenly browned, and sturdy enough that if you were to tap it with a fork it should sound like a crisp French loaf.  Cheers! oh and always add herbs AFTER it bakes...  Brew on!
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: rob_f on July 11, 2016, 06:49:07 PM
Homebrewing allows me to embrace my geekiness and have beer available all the time.  And it also allowed me to join my homebrew club, which is a great bunch of friends that also have beer available all the time.  About 75% of my social life is homebrew-related, so either I'm a loser or I have a great social life. 8)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: dmtaylor on July 11, 2016, 08:10:22 PM
Homebrewing allows me to embrace my geekiness and have beer available all the time.  And it also allowed me to join my homebrew club, which is a great bunch of friends that also have beer available all the time.  About 75% of my social life is homebrew-related, so either I'm a loser or I have a great social life. 8)

Excellent points!  I'm in the same boat.  Were it not for homebrewing, my social life would be... ???
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: lindak on July 12, 2016, 12:11:05 AM
Hey pizza makers--  (since this post has gone there)--  try this recipe:  http://www.bakingsteel.com/blog/72-hour-pizza-dough    I make pizza a lot.  I was always  trying to tweak and improve the dough with different flour/water proportions or using different cooking temps, broiler, etc.     The 72 hour pizza dough is amazing--  easy to stretch, great structure, great flavor. 

Oh yeah, and I brew for the same reasons many of you do--  the venn  diagram of beer, cooking and science... And it goes well with the pizza. 
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: jimmykx250 on July 12, 2016, 01:00:31 AM
Thanks for posting the recipes guys!
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 12, 2016, 01:27:13 AM
For me,it is something I can plan, purchase, prepare for, process the wort, control the fermentation, package, condition, consume and share, enter in competitions, and get great satisfaction from.

Add to the above, I have made great friends, done cool things, become a BJCP judge, and waste time on forums. Beercations are also a part of the lifestyle. Heading to Germany again, because the wife and I can, and love it there.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Philbrew on July 12, 2016, 01:49:00 AM
For me,it is something I can plan, purchase, prepare for, process the wort, control the fermentation, package, condition, consume and share, enter in competitions, and get great satisfaction from.
OK, now, THAT'S an engineer!  Except the spelling was all good. ;D
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: kbenton00 on July 12, 2016, 02:31:08 AM
Because I can.

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Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 12, 2016, 02:42:23 AM
For me,it is something I can plan, purchase, prepare for, process the wort, control the fermentation, package, condition, consume and share, enter in competitions, and get great satisfaction from.
OK, now, THAT'S an engineer!  Except the spelling was all good. ;D
For once, the spelling was not crap.

I did forget the step about what to improve for the next batch.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 12, 2016, 03:05:52 AM
Chicks dig it.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: pete b on July 12, 2016, 03:20:25 AM
I brew for the same reasons I garden, cook, do my own woodworking, carpentry etc. I just like knowing how thing work and doing it myself, and you can make it just the way you like it, uh, huh (kc and the sunshine band)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: klickitat jim on July 12, 2016, 03:20:37 AM
Chicks dig it.
I must be doing it wrong
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: klickitat jim on July 12, 2016, 03:24:33 AM
I brew for the same reasons I garden, cook, do my own woodworking, carpentry etc. I just like knowing how thing work and doing it myself, and you can make it just the way you like it, uh, huh (kc and the sunshine band)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160711/afd1c1f44f8dc71fcfee2624d77667d5.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: pete b on July 12, 2016, 04:00:36 AM
I brew for the same reasons I garden, cook, do my own woodworking, carpentry etc. I just like knowing how thing work and doing it myself, and you can make it just the way you like it, uh, huh (kc and the sunshine band)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160711/afd1c1f44f8dc71fcfee2624d77667d5.jpg)
You get me, Jim.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: ynotbrusum on July 12, 2016, 11:29:55 AM
At this point I like the time away from the stress of my regular job and I produce something that is universally liked among my friends.  They initially tolerated my Homebrew, but as I got better at it by brewing and reading more each year, now they prefer it and ask for certain specific beer styles that I have made.  But because I choose what I make, I can expose them to new styles that they probably never would have tried otherwise.  It's the ultimate social hobby.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on July 12, 2016, 01:38:40 PM
I enjoy the process, I find it interesting and I enjoy the outcome.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: chumley on July 13, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
I have been brewing for 25 years for a couple of reasons, which have been touched upon:

1.  Cost.  An 11 oz. bottle of a Belgian tripel costs around $6-7 at my local shop.  Like, WTF?

2.  Freshness.  Some European styles taste better fresh, like alt and bitter.  And those are hard to find around here.

3.  Tastes better.  I think my IPAs taste better than about 90% of the IPAs I taste.  Mostly, I can avoid hop varieties that I do not like.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Slowbrew on July 13, 2016, 09:09:22 PM
I brew for obvious reasons:

1) I like beer
2) My friends like beer
3) I like the variety brewing allows. And that if I don't like something, I can change it.

I also brew for reasons that a bit more complex:

1) Brewing a batch has a defined start and end.  I know when I'm done and that gives a sense of closure.  My j-o-b in the IT department of a large bank doesn't really offer anything in the way of feeling like you finished something.  Most work we do either goes on forever with new releases and the HW/OS upgrade treadmill or the funding gets cut and everything just stops.  Most projects end long before anyone really says they're done, they just kind of fade into the back.

2) Along the same lines as #1.  I get real feedback from people who use my product.  They like it or they don't.  They don't keep coming back just because I'm the only place that, kinda, gives them what they need.

3) It gives "quiet time" where I can focus on doing one thing and no one interrupts me, unless it is really urgent.  Not business "urgent" like "I changed my requirements and never told you so you didn't give me what I wanted, now fix it" urgent. Really urgent, like "Dad, the car's on fire", urgent.  Just me, my radio and the brewing.  All the minor stuff can wait.

I'm not really antisocial but I'm still trying.  I can get there.  8^)

Paul
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on July 14, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
I homebrew for three reasons:

1.  To brew to my taste.

2. To save money.  My favorite is about $2.50/12 oz can, and I can make it for about $.90/ 12 ozs. for the ingredients and propane costs.

3. I'm a "praise wh---." I love it when somebody at the local brew club samples my brew and passes it to his buddy and says,"try this, it's good".
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: homoeccentricus on July 14, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
After The End Of The World As We Know It we will have to rebuild technology from scratch, and homebrewing will be my contribution: https://www.amazon.com/Knowledge-Rebuild-Civilization-Aftermath-Cataclysm/dp/0143127047
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: denny on July 14, 2016, 03:35:43 PM
Homebrewing to save money on beer works out like buying a fishing boat to save money on fish.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: dmtaylor on July 14, 2016, 03:43:34 PM
Homebrewing to save money on beer works out like buying a fishing boat to save money on fish.

...unless you're me!  But saving money (which I *could* claim) is not why I brew anyway.  I suppose I could make it a goal, but I've thought about that in the past and figured, meh.......... that's not why I brew.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 14, 2016, 03:46:21 PM
I think we should re-start the argument about sunk costs, opportunity costs, and the intrinsic value of our time.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Slowbrew on July 14, 2016, 03:49:58 PM
Homebrewing to save money on beer works out like buying a fishing boat to save money on fish.

Or any hobby that requires tools and materials to get started.  I do wood working to save money on shelving.  (Hides table saw, planer, routers, bits and blades, jointer, clamps, dovetail jig, air compressor, brad nail gun, pin nail gun, work benches, unknown number of hand tools, sanders, finishing equipment, extra room on back of house to contain it all on retail purchased Gorilla shelve of course)   ;D

Paul
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 14, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
Homebrewing to save money on beer works out like buying a fishing boat to save money on fish.

One guy I worked with said the most expensive meat he would eat every year was that venison he shot with his bow and arrow.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: denny on July 14, 2016, 04:12:58 PM
Homebrewing to save money on beer works out like buying a fishing boat to save money on fish.

One guy I worked with said the most expensive meat he would eat every year was that venison he shot with his bow and arrow.

Kinda like chickens...we just started keeping 5 chickens.  By the time you factor in the cost of the coop, supplies and care I figure that for that for the next 5 years eggs will cost me about $6 each.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: mainebrewer on July 14, 2016, 04:24:52 PM
None of my hobbies - hunting, fishing, photography, homebrewing, etc. - save me any money, but they do bring me a lot of pleasure.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Stevie on July 14, 2016, 04:29:04 PM
I look at making beer the same as I look at cooking at home. Sure there is upfront cost, but making my own beer (making dinner) is way less expensive than buying commercial (eating out).

The fact that it's a hobby helps to offset the costs of equipment while the reward of the hobby is high quality beer for less.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: denny on July 14, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
None of my hobbies - hunting, fishing, photography, homebrewing, etc. - save me any money, but they do bring me a lot of pleasure.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: blair.streit on July 14, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
None of my hobbies - hunting, fishing, photography, homebrewing, etc. - save me any money, but they do bring me a lot of pleasure.

Exactly!
Yeah, if markets work efficiently and there's sufficient demand then none of us should be able to save money by doing something ourselves that can be done more efficiently on a larger scale.

In my mind, the "maker culture" is fueled by the feeling that we can make things that have a higher value to us than similar products that we could purchase. Some of that value may be created by freshness, uniqueness or even just the intrinsic value of the work and care that we put into crafting the product.

That said, I grew up raising cattle and farming. While I love brewing my own beer, I'm perfectly content to drive to the supermarket for my beef and bread ;-)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: mainebrewer on July 14, 2016, 08:14:40 PM
None of my hobbies - hunting, fishing, photography, homebrewing, etc. - save me any money, but they do bring me a lot of pleasure.

Exactly!
Yeah, if markets work efficiently and there's sufficient demand then none of us should be able to save money by doing something ourselves that can be done more efficiently on a larger scale.

In my mind, the "maker culture" is fueled by the feeling that we can make things that have a higher value to us than similar products that we could purchase. Some of that value may be created by freshness, uniqueness or even just the intrinsic value of the work and care that we put into crafting the product.

That said, I grew up raising cattle and farming. While I love brewing my own beer, I'm perfectly content to drive to the supermarket for my beef and bread ;-)

Me too! I'm a DIYer - do my own house repair/maintenance, veg garden, cut my own firewood, do basic maintenance on my motorized stuff, etc. - but zero interest in raising my own meat!
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Slowbrew on July 17, 2016, 02:20:20 PM
None of my hobbies - hunting, fishing, photography, homebrewing, etc. - save me any money, but they do bring me a lot of pleasure.

Exactly!
Yeah, if markets work efficiently and there's sufficient demand then none of us should be able to save money by doing something ourselves that can be done more efficiently on a larger scale.

In my mind, the "maker culture" is fueled by the feeling that we can make things that have a higher value to us than similar products that we could purchase. Some of that value may be created by freshness, uniqueness or even just the intrinsic value of the work and care that we put into crafting the product.

That said, I grew up raising cattle and farming. While I love brewing my own beer, I'm perfectly content to drive to the supermarket for my beef and bread ;-)

Me too! I'm a DIYer - do my own house repair/maintenance, veg garden, cut my own firewood, do basic maintenance on my motorized stuff, etc. - but zero interest in raising my own meat!

If I had the location and out buildings I'd raise 5 or 6 sheep.  It would be fun for the kids to see the lambing process and nothing tastes better than fresh lamb, marinated and cooked slow over coals.  If you can find lamb in super market you have to sign a mortgage to afford it.

I wouldn't do cattle or hogs.  Too much feed and too many disease problems to do on a small scale.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: pete b on July 17, 2016, 04:39:12 PM
I'm not sure if this is true everywhere but around here local farms are really doing great raising meat and poultry. The factory raised stuff you get in the supermarket just doesn't compare. Not only are the animals raised properly but the meat is so flavorful that you realize that the pork, chicken etc found in the supermarket is completely flavorless.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: denny on July 17, 2016, 05:44:45 PM
I'm not sure if this is true everywhere but around here local farms are really doing great raising meat and poultry. The factory raised stuff you get in the supermarket just doesn't compare. Not only are the animals raised properly but the meat is so flavorful that you realize that the pork, chicken etc found in the supermarket is completely flavorless.

Same around here.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Phil_M on July 17, 2016, 06:55:55 PM
My sister raised chickens for a while. Fresh eggs, and real chicken meat aren't difficult at all.

I have no interest in raising pigs, having grown up in the countryside where the pig farmer's "stink wagon" was the fertilizer of choice. That being said, once we have the space I'd love to buy a few local hogs to turn into sausages.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: mainebrewer on July 17, 2016, 08:36:32 PM
I'm not sure if this is true everywhere but around here local farms are really doing great raising meat and poultry. The factory raised stuff you get in the supermarket just doesn't compare. Not only are the animals raised properly but the meat is so flavorful that you realize that the pork, chicken etc found in the supermarket is completely flavorless.

Same here as well. We buy bulk pork and beef from local farmers. It is definitely better, especially, the pork.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Indy574 on July 17, 2016, 09:03:35 PM
It's like being a kid again...instead of dirt, grass, water and whatever else you throw in a bucket to make that secret potion. It's grain, hops, water and whatever else you want to throw in....and you get to drink this one.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: blair.streit on July 18, 2016, 12:14:26 PM
I'm not sure if this is true everywhere but around here local farms are really doing great raising meat and poultry. The factory raised stuff you get in the supermarket just doesn't compare. Not only are the animals raised properly but the meat is so flavorful that you realize that the pork, chicken etc found in the supermarket is completely flavorless.
Growing up in hot, sandy North Texas I noticed that our grass-fed ground beef had WAY more flavor and WAY less fat than what I could buy at the supermarket when I went to college. We raised grass fed beef back before it was a thing. Wheat is the only grain we grew and that was too expensive to feed to cows ;)

Steaks, on the other hand, I could find better flavor and marbling elsewhere, but I had to learn where to look. I think our cattle were too lean for great steaks.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: pete b on July 18, 2016, 03:38:04 PM
I'm not sure if this is true everywhere but around here local farms are really doing great raising meat and poultry. The factory raised stuff you get in the supermarket just doesn't compare. Not only are the animals raised properly but the meat is so flavorful that you realize that the pork, chicken etc found in the supermarket is completely flavorless.
Growing up in hot, sandy North Texas I noticed that our grass-fed ground beef had WAY more flavor and WAY less fat than what I could buy at the supermarket when I went to college. We raised grass fed beef back before it was a thing. Wheat is the only grain we grew and that was too expensive to feed to cows ;)

Steaks, on the other hand, I could find better flavor and marbling elsewhere, but I had to learn where to look. I think our cattle were too lean for great steaks.
A guy near me is breeding an old type of cattle that was used for beef before factory farming. The cattle they use now was bred to be fattened up on corn etc. and bulk up fast. These don't provide great steaks when pasture raised but apparently some older types do so there's a bit of a movement reestablish these breeds.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Phil_M on July 18, 2016, 03:51:39 PM
Someday I might try raising meat. My sister raised chickens, they're easy enough. Cattle may not be so bad. Pigs? As much as I love real pork, I don't know that I want that stink anywhere near my home...

That being said, real pork is even more unlike factory pork than grass fed beef is to factory beef. My uncle raised a hog several years ago, just let it forage around in the woods, then finished it on corn per some old family method. Really different taste, not really gamey, but definitely had a much more "porkey" flavor that you'd expect.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Werks21 on July 20, 2016, 01:54:41 AM
I am not sure exactly why I brew. I have thought about it and I can list things I enjoy, however that is not the same as the reason why I brew. So until I figure it out I have accepted that I brew because I am compelled to brew for reasons unknown.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: toby on July 20, 2016, 03:32:33 AM
I had a psych prof in college that used to ask the question "Why are my wife and I still married?"  That's the same reason I brew.  It has nothing to do with love or commitment or any other romantic notions.  I brew because I choose to.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: jzking on July 20, 2016, 05:07:24 PM
A few reasons:

1.  Because I f*u*k*n* love the smell of mashing grains in the air and fresh hops right out of the Mylar. 

2.  It gives me an excuse to drink beer and do something seemingly productive at the same time.

3.  I enjoy making, creating, and innovating equipment used to make beer which provides an opportunity to  combine pure geek (engineering) with something quite cool (beer).

4.  My garage looks like it belongs to a mad scientist, filled with metal canisters, conical vessels, pots with gauges, beakers, flasks, stainless steel tables, etc.  It's fun to freak people out by showing them, especially if they have no idea how technical making beer can get.

5.  I always have something to say if asked "what's one interesting fact about yourself".

6.  Kumquat Kolsch?  Oyster Stout?  Imperial Indian Stout Ale?  Those cannot be readily bought at most bottle shops but you sure as hell can brew them yourself (and they are wayyyy more delicious than they sound.

7.  It sure as f**k beats stamp collecting.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Slowbrew on July 20, 2016, 05:54:03 PM
A few reasons:

1.  Because I f*u*k*n* love the smell of mashing grains in the air and fresh hops right out of the Mylar. 

2.  It gives me an excuse to drink beer and do something seemingly productive at the same time.

3.  I enjoy making, creating, and innovating equipment used to make beer which provides an opportunity to  combine pure geek (engineering) with something quite cool (beer).

4.  My garage looks like it belongs to a mad scientist, filled with metal canisters, conical vessels, pots with gauges, beakers, flasks, stainless steel tables, etc.  It's fun to freak people out by showing them, especially if they have no idea how technical making beer can get.

5.  I always have something to say if asked "what's one interesting fact about yourself".

6.  Kumquat Kolsch?  Oyster Stout?  Imperial Indian Stout Ale?  Those cannot be readily bought at most bottle shops but you sure as hell can brew them yourself (and they are wayyyy more delicious than they sound.

7.  It sure as f**k beats stamp collecting.

8.  I really enjoy my periodic conversations with our local law enforcement when new neighbors move in.  It's always interesting to start a conversation with "why no, officer, who said I was making meth?"  or "I'm don't know why someone thinks I'm running a still.  That's an immersion chiller, I run cold water through it not steam."

 8)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: jzking on July 21, 2016, 04:03:47 PM
A few reasons:

1.  Because I f*u*k*n* love the smell of mashing grains in the air and fresh hops right out of the Mylar. 

2.  It gives me an excuse to drink beer and do something seemingly productive at the same time.

3.  I enjoy making, creating, and innovating equipment used to make beer which provides an opportunity to  combine pure geek (engineering) with something quite cool (beer).

4.  My garage looks like it belongs to a mad scientist, filled with metal canisters, conical vessels, pots with gauges, beakers, flasks, stainless steel tables, etc.  It's fun to freak people out by showing them, especially if they have no idea how technical making beer can get.

5.  I always have something to say if asked "what's one interesting fact about yourself".

6.  Kumquat Kolsch?  Oyster Stout?  Imperial Indian Stout Ale?  Those cannot be readily bought at most bottle shops but you sure as hell can brew them yourself (and they are wayyyy more delicious than they sound.

7.  It sure as f**k beats stamp collecting.

8.  I really enjoy my periodic conversations with our local law enforcement when new neighbors move in.  It's always interesting to start a conversation with "why no, officer, who said I was making meth?"  or "I'm don't know why someone thinks I'm running a still.  That's an immersion chiller, I run cold water through it not steam."

 8)

8) Giving local law enforcement and nosy neighbors a 6 pack of home brew after they think I am running a meth lab makes me smile.

Jeez, everyone knows you should make meth in a RV, not your garage!

Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: weazletoe on July 26, 2016, 02:20:58 AM
I clicked it and within 10 seconds my wife said "What, the hell?"

I just got the same thing. And I'm pretty sure it's not the uke.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: weazletoe on July 26, 2016, 02:33:24 AM
it's a great escape from every day stress and life. I love building all my own equipment, be it a stir plate, carboy cleaner or now a full electric brewery. And there's no better feeling than pulling a pint for your friends and seeing the look of shock on their faces wen you tell them you made it. it something cool to geek out on.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: molokomalt on July 26, 2016, 04:04:09 PM
My beer is the best beer I drink with a lesson in every glass. 
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: HoosierBrew on July 26, 2016, 04:11:33 PM
My beer is the best beer I drink with a lesson in every glass. 


This ^. I'm my own biggest critic, so as soon as I tap a keg I'm already coming up with ideas for the next time I brew it. Even the recipes I have dialed in get experimented with here and there.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: dilluh98 on July 26, 2016, 04:43:31 PM
This ^. I'm my own biggest critic, so as soon as I tap a keg I'm already coming up with ideas for the next time I brew it. Even the recipes I have dialed in get experimented with here and there.

I feel like my beer is getting better with practice but I'm also coming to the conclusion that bottle shop beer is often not worth what I pay for it (not trying to argue that homebrewing is saving me money - it's not). If it's coming from across the country and is not extremely unique, I'll typically pass. There's plenty of quality local stuff available in the common styles I drink a decent amount of and for a few bucks cheaper per six-pack than an out of region beer.

What I tend to brew is stuff that isn't done at all or done particularly well locally. Oddly enough, it's hard to find good american brown ale locally (thanks for Noti Brown, Denny!), as well as all British styles (or hell, most lower gravity ale). So I brew quite a bit of British stuff. I also find the quality of local saison to be poor for what I pay so I brew a lot of saison.

I've also completely stopped buying highly hop forward styles in bottle. I don't drink many of them (my wife does) so when the urge strikes, we go out to one of many breweries or places with a lot of local stuff on tap.

Again, no argument about saving money by homebrewing but rather, brewing the stuff you like that you don't feel is easy to get access to.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: HoosierBrew on July 26, 2016, 04:45:11 PM
This ^. I'm my own biggest critic, so as soon as I tap a keg I'm already coming up with ideas for the next time I brew it. Even the recipes I have dialed in get experimented with here and there.

I feel like my beer is getting better with practice but I'm also coming to the conclusion that bottle shop beer is often not worth what I pay for it (not trying to argue that homebrewing is saving me money - it's not). If it's coming from across the country and is not extremely unique, I'll typically pass. There's plenty of quality local stuff available in the common styles I drink a decent amount of and for a few bucks cheaper per six-pack than an out of region beer.

What I tend to brew is stuff that isn't done at all or done particularly well locally. Oddly enough, it's hard to find good american brown ale locally (thanks for Noti Brown, Denny!), as well as all British styles (or hell, most lower gravity ale). So I brew quite a bit of British stuff. I also find the quality of local saison to be poor for what I pay so I brew a lot of saison.

I've also completely stopped buying highly hop forward styles in bottle. I don't drink many of them (my wife does) so when the urge strikes, we go out to one of many breweries or places with a lot of local stuff on tap.

Again, no argument about saving money by homebrewing but rather, brewing the stuff you like that you don't feel is easy to get access to.



I agree with all of this, too. There's a lot of mediocre (at best) beer out there now.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: jeffy on July 26, 2016, 09:21:36 PM
And there's no better feeling than pulling a pint for your friends and seeing the look of shock on their faces wen you tell them you made it.

This reminded me of the time they would go to your place when you were not there to see their faces and pulled growlers to go.  Not quite the same, eh?  You'll have to train new friends there in Ohio. ;)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Hooper on July 27, 2016, 01:24:42 AM
I just poured a Saison 2 days in the keg at 30 PSI...Mash hop with Chinook (angels share) and finished with Chinook and Mt Hood...T-58...
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: weazletoe on July 27, 2016, 03:08:12 AM
And there's no better feeling than pulling a pint for your friends and seeing the look of shock on their faces wen you tell them you made it.

This reminded me of the time they would go to your place when you were not there to see their faces and pulled growlers to go.  Not quite the same, eh?  You'll have to train new friends there in Ohio. ;)

I had completely forgotten about that! Not the same here in Ohio. People don't pull crap like that. Must be a western thing.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: theoman on July 27, 2016, 09:27:53 AM
The fact that it's a hobby helps to offset the costs of equipment while the reward of the hobby is high quality beer for less.

^^Well, said, this. And the instances of paying too much money for mediocre beer are becoming too frequent. I brew what I like and I like what I brew.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Phil_M on July 27, 2016, 11:36:51 PM
In addition to the feeling I stated earlier, I've recently noticed another bonus to home brewing.

It's a damn cheap hobby compared to auto racing.

Recently re-entered the latter world after a six year hiatus. Has really made me appreciate that brew gear is cheap. (relative to car parts and safety equipment...)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: blair.streit on July 28, 2016, 01:59:01 AM
In addition to the feeling I stated earlier, I've recently noticed another bonus to home brewing.

It's a damn cheap hobby compared to auto racing.

Recently re-entered the latter world after a six year hiatus. Has really made me appreciate that brew gear is cheap. (relative to car parts and safety equipment...)
Wow. That's an angle I hadn't considered. Next time my wife complains about my home brew expenses I'll say "it's a hell of a lot cheaper than training thoroughbred horses." I'm sure that will work ;)
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Phil_M on July 28, 2016, 10:25:37 AM
My wife is into horses, though she hasn't ridden in years...tell you what though they're on an entirely different plane of expense compared to anything else I've encountered.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: lmcivor on July 28, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
I started out brewing because I had two young kids and wasn't allowed by my wife to do anything that required leaving the house. Brewing beer in the garage was a compromise. Sunday morning early rise brew day was a ritual and Friday night bottling/kegging was a nessecity. I'm thankful that was allowed to do it. I'm still not allowed to have fun. (I'm still pretending that it's just really hard work and not fun, don't tell my wife!)

Lloyd
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: EnkAMania on July 28, 2016, 05:39:33 PM
I tried it and I liked my first beer.  I keep doing it because I enjoy the processes.  Coming up with recipes, trying to improve them is really fun.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Werks21 on July 28, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
I am not sure exactly why I brew. I have thought about it and I can list things I enjoy, however that is not the same as the reason why I brew. So until I figure it out I have accepted that I brew because I am compelled to brew for reasons unknown.

Reading responses and reflecting on the past week which has been filled with researching, reading, planning and organizing in an attempt to resume brewing with a newly built system (soon to be newly built that is) I have realized that brewing is many things to me. The biggest thing is that this hobby (If your up for it) provides is a never ending string of challenges and a quest for knowledge that can not possibly end. My brain consumes information, solves problems and implements ideas, all of the decisions triumphs and failures are mine, and mine alone. Not to mention that all of it is for the greater good that is beer. My own beer.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 29, 2016, 12:47:14 AM
I am not sure exactly why I brew. I have thought about it and I can list things I enjoy, however that is not the same as the reason why I brew. So until I figure it out I have accepted that I brew because I am compelled to brew for reasons unknown.

Reading responses and reflecting on the past week which has been filled with researching, reading, planning and organizing in an attempt to resume brewing with a newly built system (soon to be newly built that is) I have realized that brewing is many things to me. The biggest thing is that this hobby (If your up for it) provides is a never ending string of challenges and a quest for knowledge that can not possibly end. My brain consumes information, solves problems and implements ideas, all of the decisions triumphs and failures are mine, and mine alone. Not to mention that all of it is for the greater good that is beer. My own beer.

Your signature line says you are not too far from a former über regular to these forums, Tom Schmidlen. Stop by Post Doc brewing in Redmond, and say hi for all of us!
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Werks21 on July 29, 2016, 03:57:28 PM
Your signature line says you are not too far from a former über regular to these forums, Tom Schmidlen. Stop by Post Doc brewing in Redmond, and say hi for all of us!

I have not been out there, but I will check it out and pass on the message if I'm able. The brewing world is a small one, or at least it often seems so.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: yso191 on July 29, 2016, 04:10:00 PM
Yes, Post Doc is one of my favorite breweries.  Excellent beer and one of the most  innovative/creative I've come across.  I also lived in Snohomish for several years - that's where my wife and I were married.

As to the actual theme of this thread...  I brew because brewing combines art and science in the form of a beverage that I and others really enjoy.

That and it is a quest for perfection.  I have the idea in my head about what I want the beer to be, and I just keep working on it.  Sometimes I achieve what i'm going for.  IPA's are one of my two favorite styles and the hardest style for me to master, but I'm zeroing in.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: Visor on July 29, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
   What better way for an unreconstructed, unrepentant Mad Scientist to entertain himself? Except maybe for cooking, but it's not like beer and food don't go together, and yes there are those who insist beer is food.
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: PrettyBeard on July 29, 2016, 05:03:58 PM
   What better way for an unreconstructed, unrepentant Mad Scientist to entertain himself? Except maybe for cooking, but it's not like beer and food don't go together, and yes there are those who insist beer is food.
In what way would aged bread soup not be food?
Title: Re: Why Do You Homebrew?
Post by: JGF on July 29, 2016, 08:28:45 PM
Great thread! A longer reply got caught in the ether so here's the shortened version...

Started a little over 20 years ago because good beer was scarce, especially in a smaller city. Later it was to save money in graduate school. More recently (a few years ago), we moved to all grain and I do it mostly because it's a great activity for my dad and I to do together. As a scientist, it's also a great mix of science and creativity.