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Title: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: secretsquirrel on July 04, 2010, 04:54:20 PM
I was talking to one of the guys who works at my local brew supply store about making a hard cider.  He claimed that it was as simple as buying 5 gallons of preservative free juice, throwing in some brewers yeast and voila- hard cider (after fermentation, of course). So, I have now on hand 5 gallons of preservative free juice via Costco; champaign yeast and lots of left over honey from another project.  Questions for the group:
1. Is it that easy to make a tasty, sweet cider using his method?
2. anyone have a recipe if not?
3.  Has anyone incorporated honey into a cider recipe in lieu of any other sugars (this is an orange blossom honey).

Thanks!
Secretsquirrel
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: beerocd on July 04, 2010, 06:21:50 PM
The champagne yeast will make it really dry; I would think you're gonna end up backsweetening. I've used the Costco stuff, it's good juice, decent cider, I drop in 1 can of frozen juice concentrate just before serving (keg)  and all the chicks dig it. I've never used good honey; just the Costco stuff. I would do a secondary with the honey, someone will be along shortly to tell you otherwise.  ;)
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: euge on July 04, 2010, 06:23:10 PM
I've made many many gallons of Cider- all from store-bought juice. Mostly cold-processed Apple Cider in gallon jugs from Walmart but frozen concentrate has been used as well.

Each renders a different type of cider. The FC ends up much drier with a slight bit of sweetness. The CP based cider was a little tart and I ended up "back-sweetening" with a couple cans of FC per keg. This balanced it out and everyone's commented how good it is.

Otherwise in my experience Cider ferments out almost completely leaving very little sweetness. Stunning the yeast before it does so is a technique to retain sweetness.

I've found keeping the gravity at 1.050 will give a nice strength without alcohol heat. The CP cider just gets poured into the fermenters and yeast is pitched. The FC gets boiled to sterilize and then diluted to desired gravity. I think the concentrating process makes it a little sweeter.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: babalu87 on July 06, 2010, 10:24:06 PM
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Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: beerocd on July 06, 2010, 11:13:34 PM
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Also search OWWW my f##king head hurts I wish I was DEAD! I think they both lead you to the same recipe.  ;D
Granted I've never aged it beyond three months - but anyone drinking this heavily is usually sorry the next day.


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Drink a quart of water and take 3 aspirin before going to sleep tol help reduce the effects of excessive Apfelwein consumption as well as the urge to call EdWort a M'F**kR the next morning!
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Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: dzlater on July 07, 2010, 11:06:53 AM
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Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: secretsquirrel on July 23, 2010, 03:56:32 AM
Guys,
I made the cider. It has been sitting in the primary fermenter for a couple of weeks now (BTW, I added about 2 C of orange blossom honey). It fermented on day 1 and finally stopped about a week ago. I opened the spigot and tried a small sample; it was harsh, I won't lie to you. I used a champaigne yeast; so it really reminded me of a dry wine.  Also had subtle acetone flavors. Any ideas on how to salvage this- or does it just need to sit for a really long time? How about sweetening it? It won't be kegged- I'm not to that level yet!
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 23, 2010, 11:40:18 AM
You can stabalize it with Potassium Sorbate and Campden tablets.  Then back sweeten to 1.006-8 with the sugar of your choice.

You can find more on this at gotmead.com or wine forums.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: secretsquirrel on July 24, 2010, 02:36:19 AM
but if i stabilize it and back sweeten it, i won't be able to bottle it with carbonation, right?
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: euge on July 24, 2010, 03:37:08 AM
It would probably carbonate over time. Maybe. Time to transition to kegs so you can force-carb...

Not realistic huh?
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: pschreck on July 24, 2010, 12:56:55 PM
I've made many many gallons of Cider- all from store-bought juice. Mostly cold-processed Apple Cider in gallon jugs from Walmart but frozen concentrate has been used as well.

Each renders a different type of cider. The FC ends up much drier with a slight bit of sweetness. The CP based cider was a little tart and I ended up "back-sweetening" with a couple cans of FC per keg. This balanced it out and everyone's commented how good it is.

Otherwise in my experience Cider ferments out almost completely leaving very little sweetness. Stunning the yeast before it does so is a technique to retain sweetness.

I've found keeping the gravity at 1.050 will give a nice strength without alcohol heat. The CP cider just gets poured into the fermenters and yeast is pitched. The FC gets boiled to sterilize and then diluted to desired gravity. I think the concentrating process makes it a little sweeter.


What type of yeast are you using? Thanks.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 24, 2010, 02:23:18 PM
but if i stabilize it and back sweeten it, i won't be able to bottle it with carbonation, right?

That is correct, unless some yeast can manage to remaing active.  I looked, and you didn't say that you wanted it sweet and carbonated.

Backsweetening, kegging the cider, and force carbonating would be my choice at this point.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: deepsouth on July 25, 2010, 01:57:11 AM
i used the "edwort apfelwein" recipe from homebrewtalk.

five gallons of aj like you have
2 lbs of dextrose
1 package of red star montrachet yeast

wait as long as you can.

i have one that i'm bringing to emerald coast beer fest that i made about 11 months ago.  i brought five gallons of it last year and it was the first thing that floated.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: nicneufeld on July 27, 2010, 01:55:53 AM
Nothing wrong with bottling and carbing it dry and sweetening it in the glass with a little more AJ or honey or sugar.  My last, and best, cider was with no added sugar (an important factor, as all my previous stronger ciders or cysers had much less balanced flavor), was not backsweetened, but was very pleasant after being kegged, as is, after 3 months of bulk aging.

Since you strengthened yours, in my experience it will take some more time.  Or you can just bottle it somewhat harsh and mix it with things that would sweeten it to taste.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: alikocho on July 29, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
If you've got a problem with harshness, my advice would be to let it age and mellow. If necessary backsweeten or blend later.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: deepsouth on July 29, 2010, 02:17:46 PM
i drank one last night (edwort's apfelwein) that had been bottled for about a year and a half and it had smoothed out a bunch.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: monomer77 on September 14, 2010, 02:56:27 AM
store bought juice that's fermented has a window. It'll taste like gas the first 3 months. 6 - 12 months is the sweet spot. Let it age.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: tschmidlin on September 14, 2010, 03:05:41 AM
I've had cider made from store bought juice that was delicious when it was very young.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: dano14041 on October 02, 2010, 06:37:48 PM
If you use the Apfelwein recipe, could you use potassium sorbate after fermentation has finished then back-sweeten with frozen concentrate to a desired sweetness? Then bottle for a still cider or keg for carbonation?
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: Malticulous on October 03, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
If you want to bottle condition and back sweeten you need back sweeten in the glass at serving time (or use splenda or other unfermentable sweeteners.) A few oz of Sprite or juice works well.
Title: Re: Cider from store bought juice
Post by: deepsouth on October 04, 2010, 01:20:58 AM
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Past two years I brought five gallons of this. This year, it floated in an hour. The year before, it took almost two. The one I took this year was aged one year.