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Title: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: etbrew on July 06, 2010, 08:45:11 PM
Hi everyone,
I want to brew some beer to give as a wedding present in October.  Currently the only place I have to ferment in is my basement which is hovering under 70 but I suspect it will warm up to the mid seventies with the current east coast heat wave. 

Do any of you have recommendations for beer styles that will do well at fermentation temps above 70 and that will be ready to drink by early October??  Also what yeast strains would do well at these temps?
Thanks
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: marty on July 06, 2010, 08:47:01 PM
Saison is the obvious choice

I like the WLP 565 strain, but a lot of people are reporting good results with Wyeast 3711 French Saison
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: babalu87 on July 06, 2010, 10:18:23 PM
Swamp
Cooler
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: majorvices on July 06, 2010, 10:25:49 PM
+1. Temp control is not that difficult, nor expensive, and it is imperative to making great beer. saison is a good choice though for higher fermentation temps
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: etbrew on July 06, 2010, 10:30:11 PM
Saison is the obvious choice

I like the WLP 565 strain, but a lot of people are reporting good results with Wyeast 3711 French Saison

That's what I was thinking but thought saisons could take a long time to ferment...

Swamp
Cooler

I've never done the swamp cooler thing before but that's a good idea.  I just might give it a try.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: markaberrant on July 07, 2010, 02:26:23 PM
That's what I was thinking but thought saisons could take a long time to ferment...

3711 ferments at about the same rate as any other ale yeast.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: blatz on July 07, 2010, 02:28:43 PM
witbier - its the only beer I do NOT use my chest freezer to ferment in.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: Hokerer on July 07, 2010, 03:09:24 PM
Swamp
Cooler

I've never done the swamp cooler thing before but that's a good idea.  I just might give it a try.

Definitely try the swamp cooler thing.  Getting your fermentation temps under control (even in the cooler weather) is one of the most important things you can do.  Whatever you do now about getting it under control will not be wasted effort.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: bluesman on July 07, 2010, 04:30:29 PM
Swamp
Cooler

I've never done the swamp cooler thing before but that's a good idea.  I just might give it a try.

Definitely try the swamp cooler thing.  Getting your fermentation temps under control (even in the cooler weather) is one of the most important things you can do.  Whatever you do now about getting it under control will not be wasted effort.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: majorvices on July 07, 2010, 04:41:18 PM
I have a Saison I brew that is ready on about 3 weeks from mashing in. Traditional saisons are more like lower gravity session beers. In some ways they are similar to Wit beers (without the orange peel, etc.)
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: bonjour on July 07, 2010, 04:57:07 PM
I have a Saison I brew that is ready on about 3 weeks from mashing in. Traditional saisons are more like lower gravity session beers. In some ways they are similar to Wit beers (without the orange peel, etc.)
I'd be interested in that recipe
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: richardt on July 07, 2010, 05:02:04 PM
Wyeast Belgian Saison 3724 likes to ferment at 70-95 F, 76-80% attenuative, low floculation--reportedly the Dupont strain
Wyeast French Saison 3711 likes to ferment at 65-77 F, 77-83% attenuative, low floculation--reportedly the Brasserie Thiriez strain

I used both strains--pitched one smack pack (3724) in one 5 gallon carboy and the other smack pack (3711) in the other carboy.  Fermented in March at temps around 69-73 F, IIRC.  No starter was used.

Belgian took forever to ferment, got stuck around 1.035 after 1.5 weeks, and proceeded glacially thereafter (finished in the single digits after 4-5 weeks.  Took forever to clear, as well.  However, many say it is the better tasting/smelling one of the two strains.  I'd suggest using a starter AND fermenting a little warmer (e.g. 75-78 F) initially, and consider creeping a little warmer (closer to 80+ F) only if needed.  However, given that Wyeast says the strain can ferment as high as 95, I wouldn't worry too much about it.  It may result in more esters, phenols (desirable), but possibly at the expense of headache-causing fusel alcohols.

The French strain (3711) was a vigorous fermenter, blew the 3-piece airlock and stopper off within 12 hours of pitching!  Fermentation was done within 1.5 weeks, and the yeast dropped clear.  I think the aromas and flavors are the same.  But, not everyone else does, so YMMV.

Some start with Belgian and finish with French Saison yeast.  
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: etbrew on July 07, 2010, 08:37:16 PM
Thanks for the advice.  I will definitely try a swamp cooler.  Now I'm just waiting for my new 8 gallon brew kettle and wort chiller to arrive...
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: euge on July 07, 2010, 11:09:29 PM
I use a chill box. However one time I did a saison with wlp650(?) pitching at 90F and just let it rip with no effort to control the temps. Kegged 10 gallons and bottled the other two gallons.  The bottles were consistently better and after a year of cellaring they were supurb.

Sad to say that it has been long drunk up.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: redbeerman on July 08, 2010, 07:00:37 PM
+1. Temp control is not that difficult, nor expensive, and it is imperative to making great beer. saison is a good choice though for higher fermentation temps

+1  I use the cheap and dirty swamp cooler method and it works great.  I can even make lagers in the summer and control within 4-5 degrees, not perfect, but it works.   Saison is a good choice as well, bluesman and I are making one this weekend, using 3711 for the yeast.  The starter is done and even that smells great! ;D
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: richardt on July 08, 2010, 07:23:24 PM
You can't go wrong with a Saison. 
Saison yeast love the higher temps that would ruin other beers (produced by other yeast strains).

A Florida Brewery (Saint Somewhere) does quite well with a low-tech approach (warehouse, no ferm temp control, volunteers helping on bottling day for the price of beer and lunch, and 6 bottles to take home, etc.). 
A great story of a homebrewer, who just started in 2001, turning pro: 
http://www.saintsomewherebrewing.com/ (http://www.saintsomewherebrewing.com/)
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2010/06/07/saint-somewhere-shines-at-savor/ (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2010/06/07/saint-somewhere-shines-at-savor/)
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: glassbrass440 on July 08, 2010, 09:58:11 PM
I know many won't agree but IPA.  I made the Brewer's Best IPA kit and fermented around 70-72 and it turned out great.  I think the slight fruitiness from the warmer ferm balanced out the bitterness.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: majorvices on July 08, 2010, 11:21:56 PM
I don't think 70-72 degree is too high for, say, the Chico strain - assuming you mean fermentation temps, not ambient temp. Its pretty clean. IME I prefer it cooler, but 70 degrees works with that (and many other) strains. The problem is my house is 78 degrees this time of year. No way I could ferment without some sort fo temp control option.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: brewmasternpb on July 09, 2010, 04:54:00 AM
I don't know if you've already decided, but any Belgian strain works great, that's what I brew in the summer.  I've brewed some great Belgian Pale Ales that go great at weddings!
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: nppeders on July 09, 2010, 01:24:50 PM
I'd definitely go with a Saison using the Wyeast French Saison yeast.  It's readily available,  last year I used it at around 78 degrees and it fermented out in a week and was an amazingly flavorful summer beer.  This year, I did an split batch experiment with French Saison yeast vs. Safbrew T-58.   At 68 degrees, (on the low end), the French Saison yeast came down from 1.050 to 1.002!  And the Safbrew T-58 came down to 1.008.   That French Saison yeast gives you an amazing dry finish everytime with a complex fruity flavor profile, and a slick smooth mouthfeel!   

Wyeast French Saison is great at normal temperatures, but is amazing at 78-80+!!!!   Good luck!
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: etbrew on July 10, 2010, 03:03:53 PM
 
I don't know if you've already decided, but any Belgian strain works great, that's what I brew in the summer.  I've brewed some great Belgian Pale Ales that go great at weddings!

Right now I'm planning on brewing two beers.  An IPA in a swamp cooler and a saison at basement temp which has been holding at around 76 + - a  degree for a week.  Whichever one comes out better will be the one for the wedding.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: majorvices on July 10, 2010, 03:51:06 PM
My recommendation for the saison or any belgian you plan on fermenting at a warmer temp is to at least start it out in the high 60s, or very, very low 70s, and hold it for a day or two. Then feel free to let it climb to the warmer temps. At the very least cool the wort down to at least 70 before pitching. While many belgians and saisons are fermented warm (some very, very warm!) most are pitched and started off in the 60s. For more examples pick us a copy of Framhouse Ales or Brew Like a Monk. Two great books on these styles.
Title: Re: Good beers for high fermentation temps
Post by: theoman on July 11, 2010, 10:07:02 AM
Be creative. Yeah, the saison yeast works well for high-temp fermentation, but just because you use a saison yeast doesn't mean you have to attempt a traditional saison.