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Title: antioxin sbt
Post by: homoeccentricus on December 07, 2016, 11:32:51 am
I have been able to get some antioxin sbt (45% potassium meta, 45% ascorbic acid, 10% gallotannines).

Cf. http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf (http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf)

Any suggestions on what to do with it? I already have and use sodium meta and brewtan b.
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 07, 2016, 01:56:09 pm
I have been able to get some antioxin sbt (45% potassium meta, 45% ascorbic acid, 10% gallotannines).

Cf. http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf (http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf)

Any suggestions on what to do with it? I already have and use sodium meta and brewtan b.

5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: homoeccentricus on December 07, 2016, 01:59:19 pm
Yes, obviously, I can read the instructions :) - but I was looking for something more interesting, like combination with so-meta and/or btb, or not in mash, etc.

Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 07, 2016, 02:00:54 pm
Yes, obviously, I can read the instructions :) - but I was looking for something more interesting, like combination with so-meta and/or btb, or not in mash, etc.

 8)

No, SBT is basically the holy trinity of SMB, AA, and BTB. Deoxygenate the water, add SBT and call it a day.
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: homoeccentricus on December 07, 2016, 02:21:15 pm
5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Gallotannins is 10%. So at 10g/hl we get 1g/hl gallotannins which is a lot less than the recommended 8 grams per 120 liters in the mash for BTB.
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 07, 2016, 02:30:17 pm
5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Gallotannins is 10%. So at 10g/hl we get 1g/hl gallotannins which is a lot less than the recommended 8 grams per 120 liters in the mash for BTB.

Does anyone have a MSDS, or sheet showing what BTB gallotannin % is?
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: duelerx on December 08, 2016, 02:45:28 am
I have been able to get some antioxin sbt (45% potassium meta, 45% ascorbic acid, 10% gallotannines).

Cf. http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf (http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf)

Any suggestions on what to do with it? I already have and use sodium meta and brewtan b.

5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Is this product more efficient than only using Sodium Metabisulfite?
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: homoeccentricus on December 08, 2016, 04:33:53 pm
5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Gallotannins is 10%. So at 10g/hl we get 1g/hl gallotannins which is a lot less than the recommended 8 grams per 120 liters in the mash for BTB.

Does anyone have a MSDS, or sheet showing what BTB gallotannin % is?

Only thing I can find is that BTB contains max 1% gallic acid http://www.ingredientsnetwork.com/brewtan-b-prod645735.html (http://www.ingredientsnetwork.com/brewtan-b-prod645735.html)
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 08, 2016, 05:03:13 pm
I have been able to get some antioxin sbt (45% potassium meta, 45% ascorbic acid, 10% gallotannines).

Cf. http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf (http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf)

Any suggestions on what to do with it? I already have and use sodium meta and brewtan b.

5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Is this product more efficient than only using Sodium Metabisulfite?

Supposedly! Its another way for folks to lower their SMB rate while still seeing the benefits of a much larger dose, without the side effects (too much sulfur).
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 08, 2016, 05:05:06 pm
5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Gallotannins is 10%. So at 10g/hl we get 1g/hl gallotannins which is a lot less than the recommended 8 grams per 120 liters in the mash for BTB.




Does anyone have a MSDS, or sheet showing what BTB gallotannin % is?

Only thing I can find is that BTB contains max 1% gallic acid http://www.ingredientsnetwork.com/brewtan-b-prod645735.html (http://www.ingredientsnetwork.com/brewtan-b-prod645735.html)


Yea so without knowing the materials in it and the %'s, we can't say if the dosage rates are true.
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 09, 2016, 03:07:49 am
Homo- where did you get that ratio from (45/45/10)?  I am speaking with them directly and it's not aligning. Thanks!
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: duelerx on December 09, 2016, 03:58:03 am
I have been able to get some antioxin sbt (45% potassium meta, 45% ascorbic acid, 10% gallotannines).

Cf. http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf (http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf)

Any suggestions on what to do with it? I already have and use sodium meta and brewtan b.

5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Is this product more efficient than only using Sodium Metabisulfite?

Supposedly! Its another way for folks to lower their SMB rate while still seeing the benefits of a much larger dose, without the side effects (too much sulfur).

Really cool, is this available to home brewers?
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: homoeccentricus on December 09, 2016, 08:02:38 am
The smallest amount you can buy is 1 kg. A fellow-homebrewer bought it (directly from Italy), and distributed it amongst a number of people.  He printed the composition on a sticker to send along. I've asked him where he got that information from...

[EDIT: apparently it was printed on the 1 kg package, and he copied it on a sticker. The order was:
Antioxin SBT kg 1   3353712   1   €24.50]

[EDIT2: it's not Aromax, right? That has a different composition: http://www.aebafrica.co.za/antioxy/AROMAX_depliant_inglese.pdf]
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 09, 2016, 10:48:49 am
The smallest amount you can buy is 1 kg. A fellow-homebrewer bought it (directly from Italy), and distributed it amongst a number of people.  He printed the composition on a sticker to send along. I've asked him where he got that information from...

[EDIT: apparently it was printed on the 1 kg package, and he copied it on a sticker. The order was:
Antioxin SBT kg 1   3353712   1   €24.50]

[EDIT2: it's not Aromax, right? That has a different composition: http://www.aebafrica.co.za/antioxy/AROMAX_depliant_inglese.pdf]

Ok, cool. Yea its not Aromax.
Title: Re: antioxin sbt
Post by: The Beerery on December 09, 2016, 10:49:14 am
I have been able to get some antioxin sbt (45% potassium meta, 45% ascorbic acid, 10% gallotannines).

Cf. http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf (http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ANTIOXINSBT.pdf)

Any suggestions on what to do with it? I already have and use sodium meta and brewtan b.

5-10g/hl in the water before dough in.

Is this product more efficient than only using Sodium Metabisulfite?

Supposedly! Its another way for folks to lower their SMB rate while still seeing the benefits of a much larger dose, without the side effects (too much sulfur).

Really cool, is this available to home brewers?

No, not in the US.