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Title: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: Wintermute on January 02, 2017, 11:10:03 PM
Interesting article. How long till homebrewers are doing genetic design on their yeasts? Anyone have good ideas of genes to modify?

This Biohacker Wants to Spur a Genetic Engineering Revolution With Glowing Beer
http://gizmodo.com/this-biohacker-wa...evo-1789759826 (http://gizmodo.com/this-biohacker-wa...evo-1789759826)
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: reverseapachemaster on January 03, 2017, 03:56:00 PM
I feel like I read about this every few months. I guess there's a lot of potential profit engineering yeast. If you could get the flavor of saison yeast with the attenuation of London Ale III you could do well making NEPA/IPA.

Right now I would say there is an equal, and possibly larger, market for wild yeast and natural manipulation of yeast (selection, sexual reproduction) left to explore that isn't going to enrage people about genetic modification.
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: bayareabrewer on January 03, 2017, 05:25:41 PM
Interesting article. How long till homebrewers are doing genetic design on their yeasts? Anyone have good ideas of genes to modify?

This Biohacker Wants to Spur a Genetic Engineering Revolution With Glowing Beer
http://gizmodo.com/this-biohacker-wa...evo-1789759826 (http://gizmodo.com/this-biohacker-wa...evo-1789759826)

glowing beer is the definition of gimmicky. Why not focus on improving yeast flavor and performance characteristics instead? Hell, if you could somehow make the DuPont strain less finicky and prone to stalling, I imagine homebrewers and professionals alike would be throwing money at you :)
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 03, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
So I am an old engineer, how is this genetic modification? No gene splicing involved, so how does this qualify?
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: bayareabrewer on January 03, 2017, 05:41:40 PM
some brewpub down the way from me has beer with what looks like glitter in it on tap. who wants to drink beer that glows or glitters?
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: Steve Ruch on January 03, 2017, 06:43:28 PM
some brewpub down the way from me has beer with what looks like glitter in it on tap. who wants to drink beer that glows or glitters?

Which brings up the question, "Will that make your urine glow or glitter?"
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: tommymorris on January 03, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
some brewpub down the way from me has beer with what looks like glitter in it on tap. who wants to drink beer that glows or glitters?

Which brings up the question, "Will that make your urine glow or glitter?"
Glowing would come in handy at night. Just saying.
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: Stevie on January 03, 2017, 07:00:47 PM
Glitter might sting a bit
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 03, 2017, 07:07:01 PM
some brewpub down the way from me has beer with what looks like glitter in it on tap. who wants to drink beer that glows or glitters?


Craft beer has officially jumped the shark. Just stupid. Probably an imperial raspberry chipotle pumpkin IPA.
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: bayareabrewer on January 03, 2017, 07:12:50 PM
some brewpub down the way from me has beer with what looks like glitter in it on tap. who wants to drink beer that glows or glitters?


Craft beer has officially jumped the shark. Just stupid. Probably an imperial raspberry chipotle pumpkin IPA.

yup. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: charles1968 on January 03, 2017, 07:27:50 PM
So I am an old engineer, how is this genetic modification? No gene splicing involved, so how does this qualify?

I think the article may have oversimplified in saying the kit inserts the fluorescent protein, when it actually inserts the gene to make the protein, presumably in the form of a plasmid rather than DNA spliced into the yeast genome.

I don't think glowing green beer will catch on. However, genetically modified yeast strains that can manufacture organic compounds of economic interest, such as heroin, are probably not far away. It's a grim thought that drug dealers may soon be able to manufacture very dangerous stuff simply by brewing with yeast.
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: Philbrew on January 04, 2017, 03:02:09 AM
some brewpub down the way from me has beer with what looks like glitter in it on tap. who wants to drink beer that glows or glitters?


Craft beer has officially jumped the shark. Just stupid. Probably an imperial raspberry chipotle pumpkin IPA.
imperial raspberry chipotle pumpkin IPA...is that NW or NE ?
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: pkrone on January 04, 2017, 12:45:33 PM
Glitter might sting a bit

Might look a little funny the morning after too.   :)
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 04, 2017, 02:05:31 PM
imperial raspberry chipotle pumpkin IPA...is that NW or NE ?


Both. The NEIRCPIPA is quite a bit hazier, though. And juicier.    ;)
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: bayareabrewer on January 04, 2017, 04:58:30 PM
I'm a bit of a traditionalist so I prefer the NWIRCPIPA and think the NEIRCPIPA is just a passing fad.
Title: Re: Company Selling Genetically Designed Yeast
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on January 07, 2017, 12:25:47 PM
Research into genetic modification of yeast is happening, but requires advanced knowledge that is beyond the capability of most who have not earned advanced degrees in genetics and biochemistry. Unfortunately, it's more than an afternoon's project.

In fact, S. cerevisae was the first organism whose complete genome was determined.  It has in excess of 5,000 genes.  As a model laboratory organism, S. cerevisae has been extensively studied to learn about metabolic and other basic cellular processes that are common to all eucaryotic cells with broad application to human medical knowledge.

At the University of Leuven in Belgium, Kevin Verstrepen heads a group of scientists doing extensive research into yeasts of various types including ale and lager yeasts.  More than 30,000 strains of yeasts are found in the lab's freezers. For more info read the article below.
 
http://www.nature.com/news/tapping-genetics-for-better-beer-1.20336

Because of the unfounded fears of GMOs, a lot of their clients prefer to remain "under the radar", but the companies mentioned in the article included AB InBev, White Labs, Orval, and New Belgium.

The end result will be better brews and probably some exotic flavors.

Cheers!