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Title: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: klickitat jim on February 09, 2017, 10:28:57 PM
May as well get one started...

Got two entries. Ones already to go, waiting a week or so to bottle up the other. An American Stout and a 28C Roselare with Tart Cherries
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: 69franx on February 09, 2017, 10:29:50 PM
Good luck Jim, no entries for me, really nothing ready to go so did not enter
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: klickitat jim on February 09, 2017, 10:38:01 PM
The sour beer is puzzling me. The one with cherry finished at 1.010 but the one with pomegranate finished at 1.000. Curiouser and Curiouser. Both identical. 100% pils, wyeast roselare blend, fruit concentrate from Brownwood Acres. It's fun to have one with a little body, head and lacing.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jweiss206 on February 09, 2017, 11:14:05 PM
I also have two entered. Luckily enough I was given the Seattle region, no mail necessary! I'm likely submitting both in the wood-aged category. A Belgium Quad and a Scottish Strong that have each gone through a Woodinville Rye Whiskey Barrel though I also have a Cream Ale that will likely be ready by showtime.

Good luck all.

Nevermind, just read the rules. Only one entry per category. The Quad was a bit undercarbed anyhow.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dfisher on February 10, 2017, 12:38:06 AM
This is my first time entering.

Am I reading those dates right? We only have a month (March 9th) to get our beers turned in?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: erockrph on February 10, 2017, 12:41:25 AM
Good luck Jim, no entries for me, really nothing ready to go so did not enter
Same here. It's been another slow brewing year, and what I have been brewing are some 1-off's I'm dabbling in. I have a barleywine that is promising, but it still needs another year or two in the cellar I think.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 10, 2017, 12:51:00 AM
I'm entering the Dunkel I've been tinkering with (low O2 style). I mostly entered it for contrast to the feedback I've received for my standard version. Curious to see.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 10, 2017, 12:59:50 AM
I just checked, and my entries were accepted to my preferred drop off.

I have a Barleywines a high ranking judge said was nice. A LODO Pils that is very good. A Dunkel and a Dark Czech Lager to decide which to enter. Will brew a special bitter in a day or two.

Every year there are high hopes, maybe I can get one or two out of the first round this year.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 10, 2017, 01:05:41 AM
Quote from: hopfenundmalz link=topic=28747.msg377793#msg377793
Every year there are high hopes, maybe I can get one or two out of the first round this year.

Yeah, I'm in a 3 year slump for advancing, Jeff. We'll see!
 

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 10, 2017, 01:12:13 AM
Quote from: hopfenundmalz link=topic=28747.msg377793#msg377793
Every year there are high hopes, maybe I can get one or two out of the first round this year.

Yeah, I'm in a 3 year slump for advancing, Jeff. We'll see!
Yeah stuck out the last 3 years, after many years of advancing. It gets tougher every year, in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 10, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
Quote from: hopfenundmalz link=topic=28747.msg377793#msg377793
Every year there are high hopes, maybe I can get one or two out of the first round this year.

Yeah, I'm in a 3 year slump for advancing, Jeff. We'll see!
Yeah stuck out the last 3 years, after many years of advancing. It gets tougher every year, in my opinion.



Exponentially!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on February 10, 2017, 02:49:06 AM
I have 3 and have never advanced.  I've been close, but no cigar.  Have a Golden Strong , Saison, and Kolsch for Indy.  Was surprised Rebel in Nashville was not on the list.  All the beers are solid and you never know. I remember having a Saison that I thought was stellar, scored 21 LOL.  Good luck to all, I do like the feedback.   
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: braufessor on February 10, 2017, 03:43:19 AM
I have a bunch stockpiled to choose from.... Mild, O. Bitter, blonde, Brown Ale, Scottish 70, Czech Dark Lager, IPA, Helles, Bo-Pils, Kolsch.... Just have to see which ones seem to be at their best in a couple weeks.  Will send 5 in though.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on February 10, 2017, 05:26:18 AM
I have a bunch stockpiled to choose from.... Mild, O. Bitter, blonde, Brown Ale, Scottish 70, Czech Dark Lager, IPA, Helles, Bo-Pils, Kolsch.... Just have to see which ones seem to be at their best in a couple weeks.  Will send 5 in though.

Same address as before if you want feedback again...

Mine are going to mostly distinctive so no details here in public.

Good luck to everyone-
--Michael
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: tesgüino on February 10, 2017, 10:23:55 AM
I also have two entered. Luckily enough I was given the Seattle region, no mail necessary!

Live in NJ. Submitted to PA and NY with Seattle as a safety back-up because they filled slow last year.

Guess where my beers are going?  :P
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dls5492 on February 10, 2017, 12:21:41 PM
I have 5 entries. Last year, my saison made it to the Finals. It's funny, I had couple of other beers score higher but did not advance. Good luck to all!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on February 10, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
Got 5, 3 beers and 2 ciders.  One is a silver winner last year I'm hoping to bump up to gold.  A couple of my friends are also brewing the same recipe and submitting to different regions.  It would be cool to go head-to-head with them in the finals!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: braufessor on February 10, 2017, 03:15:37 PM
I have a bunch stockpiled to choose from.... Mild, O. Bitter, blonde, Brown Ale, Scottish 70, Czech Dark Lager, IPA, Helles, Bo-Pils, Kolsch.... Just have to see which ones seem to be at their best in a couple weeks.  Will send 5 in though.

Same address as before if you want feedback again...

Mine are going to mostly distinctive so no details here in public.

Good luck to everyone-
--Michael

Might have to take you up on that -  Of course that hinges on me getting enough time to bottle something!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 10, 2017, 03:56:48 PM
Skipped it this year.  I don't have anything ready, at least not fresh.  A couple in fermenters but I don't have the energy to try to rush anything.

Good luck with your stout, Jim.  The one you submitted last year was delicious.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: reverseapachemaster on February 10, 2017, 04:31:54 PM
No competition brewing for me. Good luck to all our entrants this year.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: homebrewdad7 on February 10, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
Entering for the first time this year.  Got my first choice (Indy), with a British brown that has no prayer of advancing due to me intending on making the caramel flavor too strong. 

I debating on shooting for two entries, but since my Irish red is a little high on gravity, I decided not to.  I kind of wish I had gone ahead and done it for the laughs.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: EnkAMania on February 10, 2017, 04:52:07 PM
For some reason, the email ended up in my spam.  This is my first time entering any contest outside our co-op brewery
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: golfgod04 on February 10, 2017, 06:30:08 PM
does anyone know if you can use glass bottles with a breweries logo embedded in the glass like Sam Adams?  I thought I saved some bottles for the competition but the only ones I have left for certain beers are in sam adams bottles.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on February 11, 2017, 12:02:38 AM
does anyone know if you can use glass bottles with a breweries logo embedded in the glass like Sam Adams?  I thought I saved some bottles for the competition but the only ones I have left for certain beers are in sam adams bottles.
They should be fine.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on February 11, 2017, 12:05:51 AM
I'm only entering two this year because I don't have a lot to choose from right now. Probably an American Barleywine and German Pils.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: klickitat jim on February 11, 2017, 02:14:02 AM
Well sounding good for me so far. No one else entering a 28C so mines a shoe in! 😎
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: bengelbrau on February 11, 2017, 02:40:25 AM
Quote
Well sounding good for me so far. No one else entering a 28C so mines a shoe in! 😎

Has anyone ever taken both first and last place in a category with the same beer?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: klickitat jim on February 11, 2017, 02:55:40 AM
Not yet but I'm game.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: banjo-guy on February 11, 2017, 03:07:30 AM
Should I have received an email letting me know where to drop or ship my beers? I asked for NY or Philadelphia.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: braufessor on February 11, 2017, 03:17:52 AM
Should I have received an email letting me know where to drop or ship my beers? I asked for NY or Philadelphia.


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The e-mails started going out...however they said it would be over a few days.  Might want to check your spam folder too, just in case it went there.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: yso191 on February 11, 2017, 04:30:11 PM
Jim, are you judging in Seattle?  I'm planning on it.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: klickitat jim on February 11, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Jim, are you judging in Seattle?  I'm planning on it.
I wish. As it stands I can't get the time off.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: santoch on February 12, 2017, 05:28:57 AM
Jim, are you judging in Seattle?  I'm planning on it.

I look forward to seeing you there!

S
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 12, 2017, 01:58:03 PM
Judging? Well, due to the dates and locations intersecting with the plans to visit family, I'm signed up to judge Indianapolis, Tampa, and Austin. Mrs R will steward those.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: secondbase on February 12, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Sending some beers to St Louis.

17a British Strong
13c English Porter
21b American Stout
22c American Barleywine
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 12, 2017, 06:16:02 PM
Judging? Well, due to the dates and locations intersecting with the plans to visit family, I'm signed up to judge Indianapolis, Tampa, and Austin. Mrs R will steward those.



Wow, that's a serious itinerary. My stuff is going to Indy (obviously) so we'll so I do this year.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 12, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
Judging? Well, due to the dates and locations intersecting with the plans to visit family, I'm signed up to judge Indianapolis, Tampa, and Austin. Mrs R will steward those.



Wow, that's a serious itinerary. My stuff is going to Indy (obviously) so we'll so I do this year.

We have judged and stewarded the Indy/Zanesville first round for years. We need to see Susan's uncle in Florida, and we are going on a road trip to TX to see her brother. It all works out.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Jim1960 on February 12, 2017, 10:13:35 PM
First time in the NHC.  I have two entries going in:

20B - American Stout
18A - Blonde Ale

would love to make it out of the first round but not really expecting to make the cut.  will be a total surprise if I do.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on February 13, 2017, 01:15:58 AM
Judging? Well, due to the dates and locations intersecting with the plans to visit family, I'm signed up to judge Indianapolis, Tampa, and Austin. Mrs R will steward those.
Thanks for your service. Why I enter this one, feedback comes from judges like yourself.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Ellismr on February 13, 2017, 01:24:49 AM
I'm still waiting for an email letting me know if I got in.  The email says by the 15th.




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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: klickitat jim on February 13, 2017, 01:31:17 AM
I'm still waiting for an email letting me know if I got in.  The email says by the 15th.




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Spam folder?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 13, 2017, 02:51:43 AM
Judging? Well, due to the dates and locations intersecting with the plans to visit family, I'm signed up to judge Indianapolis, Tampa, and Austin. Mrs R will steward those.
Thanks for your service. Why I enter this one, feedback comes from judges like yourself.


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Yeah it is some work, but I know other judges at the 3 locations, so some fun times will happen.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: EnkAMania on February 13, 2017, 04:29:57 PM
I'm still waiting for an email letting me know if I got in.  The email says by the 15th.




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Spam folder?

Mine ended up in a spam folder, be sure to check yours. 
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on February 13, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
I know of several people busy with competitions all weekend who had to be reminded and scrambled to pay last night and this morning.  Meanwhile I guess others are still waiting to hear if they got in. 
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: wv_brewer on February 14, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
I still have not received my email.  Starting to get worried...
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: klickitat jim on February 14, 2017, 11:54:53 PM
I still have not received my email.  Starting to get worried...
Check your spam folder
Maybe try calling them?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Steve L on February 15, 2017, 12:49:54 AM
Got two going this year. I noticed that Nashville isn't on the site list this year which is where mine went to in the past. Philadelphia was a bit closer this year but alas, it shall be Florida. Someday I hope to have a reason to attend the final awards ceremony other than seeing friends winning, but it's all good  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: wv_brewer on February 15, 2017, 02:21:25 AM
I still have not received my email.  Starting to get worried...
Check your spam folder
Maybe try calling them?
Just received it!  Going to submit 3 to Chicago.  Good luck to all.

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Ellismr on February 15, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
Never received a reply, check spam folder but no luck.  Received an email yesterday (2/14) morning saying that the payment deadline had been extended and would I like to pay.  Heck yeah!  So I'm in for Philly.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: tesgüino on February 15, 2017, 06:31:26 PM
Never received a reply, check spam folder but no luck.  Received an email yesterday (2/14) morning saying that the payment deadline had been extended and would I like to pay.  Heck yeah!  So I'm in for Philly.
So, Philly's my first choice, NY second. Threw in Seattle as a last chance hail Mary. Got my acceptance to Seattle last week and paid.

Got to wonder how you got into Philly this week after thinking it was full. How many entries?


edit to say, not complaining, happy that I got in.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: wv_brewer on February 16, 2017, 03:22:19 AM
My  buddy just got an email advising that he did not get in.  Apparently they hit capacity this year.  Really bummed for him.

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on February 16, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
My  buddy just got an email advising that he did not get in.  Apparently they hit capacity this year.  Really bummed for him.

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That's surprising since I got the 5 I asked for, but maybe the regions they selected were full. 
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on February 16, 2017, 02:40:24 PM
My  buddy just got an email advising that he did not get in.  Apparently they hit capacity this year.  Really bummed for him.

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I hope there is a list of these names kept, and they are added to the list of people guaranteed spots (competition volunteers) for next year.  If almost everyone gets in, it shouldn't happen to them twice IMO.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: tcook on February 16, 2017, 03:41:25 PM
So since I haven't received an email telling me I'm in the competition yet, I guess I didn't make the cut. However, I haven't received any email telling me that I DID NOT get into the competition either. Anyone else in this boat?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on February 16, 2017, 03:47:50 PM
So since I haven't received an email telling me I'm in the competition yet, I guess I didn't make the cut. However, I haven't received any email telling me that I DID NOT get into the competition either. Anyone else in this boat?

As far as I can tell my friend is in the same boat.
AHA - this is where a quick daily status would help. "Still sending out some confirmations" "payment deadlines extended" "all confirmations have gone out; we were able to accommodate 9X% of entrants"....Etc, etc.

Communication.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on February 16, 2017, 04:36:33 PM
So since I haven't received an email telling me I'm in the competition yet, I guess I didn't make the cut. However, I haven't received any email telling me that I DID NOT get into the competition either. Anyone else in this boat?

Try going to https://www.brewingcompetition.com and logging in with your email address and AHA number.  May not work, but worth a shot in case your email never made it.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: rob_f on February 16, 2017, 10:22:25 PM
I got the rejection email late yesterday.  I was running a fever from the flu, so it was very well received.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on February 16, 2017, 11:21:09 PM
I've definitely noticed more people talking about getting rejected this year than last. Either interest went up or something in the process changed.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 17, 2017, 12:55:57 AM
I've definitely noticed more people talking about getting rejected this year than last. Either interest went up or something in the process changed.
Interest is up. One key thing to get in is to list all sites as alternatives.

Participate in first round judging or stewarding if you can, that will get you preference for next year.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on February 17, 2017, 10:27:36 PM
Interest is up. One key thing to get in is to list all sites as alternatives.

Participate in first round judging or stewarding if you can, that will get you preference for next year.

Exactly...Nearly all of those rejected that I've seen/talked to so far only listed 1-3 sites for shipping options.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: tesgüino on March 25, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
Interest is up.

Interest may be up, but excitement appears to be down.

Indianapolis last week and a several more judging this weekend, but none of the anxious, impatient posts from years past.

Guess we're mellowing with age.  :P 
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 26, 2017, 02:21:06 AM
Interest is up.

Interest may be up, but excitement appears to be down.

Indianapolis last week and a several more judging this weekend, but none of the anxious, impatient posts from years past.

Guess we're mellowing with age.  :P

That is a bad thing?

I judged Indy, today I was at Tampa for two sessions. Both are well run competitions.

The AHA has improved some of the communications this year as to what to expect next, and the timing of when that will happen. That will decrease the angst, no?

Many have been through the process, and know how it works.

I must say that time remains for panic and fear to set in!

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on March 26, 2017, 02:49:51 AM
I agree that the communication has improved. I'm not overly excited this year. Several years of not advancing eases my fears. It is well ran when considering the size.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ethinson on March 27, 2017, 12:04:18 PM
This is my first time entering.

Am I reading those dates right? We only have a month (March 9th) to get our beers turned in?

This caught me by surprise too.  I think I did my planning based on the judge dates.  I ended up bottling a batch 2 days before I took it to the drop off location, so fingers crossed on that one.  The bottles I have at home have turned out really well so hopefully the judged bottles are good too (mostly worried about carbonation).

I have two entries that got judged this weekend in Seattle.  An American Porter/Deschutes Black Butte clone which is "pretty damn close" direct from the mouths of two Deschutes brewers, so high hopes on that one.

The other is my CDA which has won some awards in the past (not at NHC though) and my 9th batch or so, so really dialing that one in.  Sadly the batch I just transferred to secondary is better than the batch I bottled and sent, but c'est la vie... that's how it goes.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on March 27, 2017, 12:21:09 PM
My entries were judged in St. Louis this past weekend but I'm going to refrain from checking the website every day.  Especially since Indy is still in verify status after a week plus.  I don't expect to see any results until next week at least.  Nothing I submit requires rebrewing and I have my bottles already set aside, so no reason to stress out about it.

I just hope my Marzen gets through.  A friend of mine brewed the same recipe and submitted to a different region.  It would be cool to go head-to-head in the finals.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on March 27, 2017, 04:54:38 PM
Indy results are posted. 31 entries in American Wild Ale...good to see.

I don't think excitement has dropped that much, given that entry caps were met and some people were turned away. We have lots of people locally excited about NHC this year, both veteran entrants and newbies. I do think more people are getting familiar with the current process and waiting for results.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: WattsOnTap on March 27, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
Indy results are posted. 31 entries in American Wild Ale...good to see.

Not seeing any results posted - status still shows as "Verifying Results", from what I can see.  Do you have to be entered in Indy to see the Indy results?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on March 27, 2017, 05:36:57 PM
Click on the Winners tab up top and you should see Indy under 2017 results. It looks like they have not updated the main "results status" page, though.

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/national-homebrew-competition/winners/ (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/national-homebrew-competition/winners/)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: WattsOnTap on March 27, 2017, 05:55:32 PM
Got it, thanks.

And congrats to all the Indy winners!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on March 27, 2017, 05:59:29 PM
I see Mr. Wilcox's name pop up 4 times in there...Congrats udubdawg. 

Hoping to get my specialty cider in against you!

Good luck in the finals to all that advanced.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on March 27, 2017, 08:41:30 PM
Yay, I made it with a 3rd place for my American Barleywine.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on March 27, 2017, 08:47:55 PM
Yay, I made it with a 3rd place for my American Barleywine.

Congrats...and with 31 entries in the category.  Impressive!  Good luck in the finals.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on March 27, 2017, 08:53:22 PM
Yay, I made it with a 3rd place for my American Barleywine.

Congrats...and with 31 entries in the category.  Impressive!  Good luck in the finals.
Thanks, just happy to make it. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten my score sheets back with the mini-BOS marked and no place awarded.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on March 28, 2017, 12:37:47 AM
Its good to hear that the regional sites are filled up, because my experience this year is that most competitions are down a bit in terms of entry numbers.  Definitely a trend toward more sours everywhere.  I'll judge Chicago and the NHC again this year, as the local comps kept me from other regional sites.

Good luck to all.  I have noticed generally higher scores/better beers this year in the comps I have judged this year.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 28, 2017, 02:32:14 AM
Indy had a good turn out for judges and stewards. It was a fun one to judge. The downside was that I struck out again.

We were at Tampa on Saturday. The first time for them. A well run completion with a good judge and steward turn out. They were done on Sunday. I would do that one again!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on March 28, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
Indy was a crazy town that weekend. Lots of people in town for several big events.
Tampa would be great this time of year.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 28, 2017, 02:53:02 PM
Indy was a crazy town that weekend. Lots of people in town for several big events.
Tampa would be great this time of year.


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Tampa was pretty busy too. The hotels were packed with families going to Busch Gardens.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 28, 2017, 06:21:34 PM
The downside was that I struck out again.



Yep, me, too. The streak goes to 4 yrs in a row now. Oh well, gotta make time to enter more than one beer next year. Curious to see the scoresheets.
 
Title: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on March 28, 2017, 08:59:15 PM
The downside was that I struck out again.



Yep, me, too. The streak goes to 4 yrs in a row now. Oh well, gotta make time to enter more than one beer next year. Curious to see the scoresheets.
I'd be curious too. Your beer looked awesome. I know you liked it. It can be a crap shoot no doubt.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: EnkAMania on March 29, 2017, 06:49:18 PM
Just got my results from Seattle, fairly positive result
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on March 29, 2017, 06:52:42 PM
Just got my results from Seattle, fairly positive result

Do you mean scoresheets?  Did they list place on them?

I got the form letter the other day saying my entries were judged but it would be about a week before the results would be posted.  That group in Seattle is always on the ball every year...a very well run region for sure.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: EnkAMania on March 29, 2017, 06:54:22 PM
Just got my results from Seattle, fairly positive result

Do you mean scoresheets?  Did they list place on them?

I got the form letter the other day saying my entries were judged but it would be about a week before the results would be posted.  That group in Seattle is always on the ball every year...a very well run region for sure.

I received the score sheets
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jvoeltz on March 29, 2017, 07:39:25 PM
Just got my results from Seattle, fairly positive result

Do you mean scoresheets?  Did they list place on them?

I got the form letter the other day saying my entries were judged but it would be about a week before the results would be posted.  That group in Seattle is always on the ball every year...a very well run region for sure.

Scoresheets from Seattle just showed up for me via email. Placement was mentioned in the email, if applicable.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ethinson on March 29, 2017, 09:15:56 PM
Just got my results from Seattle, fairly positive result

Do you mean scoresheets?  Did they list place on them?

I got the form letter the other day saying my entries were judged but it would be about a week before the results would be posted.  That group in Seattle is always on the ball every year...a very well run region for sure.

Scoresheets from Seattle just showed up for me via email. Placement was mentioned in the email, if applicable.

I got a scoresheet for one of mine but not the other... Maybe later today.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 29, 2017, 10:15:11 PM
Your beer looked awesome. I know you liked it. It can be a crap shoot no doubt.


Yep, a crap shoot at best sometimes. Obviously you increase your odds by entering more beers. I'm starting to free up more time for brewing, so hopefully I enter the limit next year.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on March 30, 2017, 12:50:03 AM
Then start with Lt Lager, 5 entries lol!  I struck out on 2. My Triple made it through, I've never advanced. I swear I could taste oxidation. It is good no doubt, but I can tell it is there. So crap shoot, there ya go.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 30, 2017, 01:03:28 AM
Then start with Lt Lager, 5 entries lol!  I struck out on 2. My Triple made it through, I've never advanced. I swear I could taste oxidation. It is good no doubt, but I can tell it is there. So crap shoot, there ya go.


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Hey, congrats! Hope you do well.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: tesgüino on March 30, 2017, 10:36:55 AM
Scores from Seattle not bad, but nothing going thru.  :(

American Porter 30/29
English Barleywine 34/35
Barrel Aged Barleywine 40/42
Wheatwine 36/36
Bière de Garde 43/44

The Porter was brewed big to go into a whiskey barrel (still in the barrel). This was bottled from what wouldn't fit. I'm still optimistic about barrel version. Maybe next year.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on March 30, 2017, 11:31:45 AM
Scores from Seattle not bad, but nothing going thru.  :(

American Porter 30/29
English Barleywine 34/35
Barrel Aged Barleywine 40/42
Wheatwine 36/36
Bière de Garde 43/44

The Porter was brewed big to go into a whiskey barrel (still in the barrel). This was bottled from what wouldn't fit. I'm still optimistic about barrel version. Maybe next year.  ;)
Those scores are great. I'm sure you were very close.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on March 30, 2017, 12:15:13 PM
When you have to score mid 40's to get through, wow!  Note to self, avoid Seattle as an alternate.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on March 30, 2017, 12:26:45 PM
When you have to score mid 40's to get through, wow!  Note to self, avoid Seattle as an alternate.


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I'm sure they got bumped in mini-BOS.  I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the entries that got through are scored lower than his.  Happened to me many times.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on March 30, 2017, 02:17:06 PM
When you have to score mid 40's to get through, wow!  Note to self, avoid Seattle as an alternate.


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I'm sure they got bumped in mini-BOS.  I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the entries that got through are scored lower than his.  Happened to me many times.

people seem to have the tendency to think the high scores are "legit" and doubt the accuracy of the low ones.
I've seen a judge pair give a First Round IPA a 49/50.  It was the first one kicked in mini-BOS for overwhelming levels of diacetyl.  But that entrant only knows that a pair of judges loved his/her beer.  It leads to a low score later and an upset entrant "But these other guys said it was 49!"  well, they were wrong.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on March 30, 2017, 06:14:51 PM
Numbers vary among judge groupings, also.  Just had a reasonably good beer (British Strong Ale grouping) that I judged at mid 30's leapfrog over a mid 40's beer from another judge set in a miniBOS.  It was clearly superior and improved greatly from the time of my initial evaluation by warming up during the interim between when it was first judged and when it was head to head with the other beers in MiniBOS.  I went back and rescored it in the high 30's and noted that aspect on the scoresheet.  Had I scored the second place beer it would have been mid 30's for me.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 30, 2017, 06:30:22 PM
When you have to score mid 40's to get through, wow!  Note to self, avoid Seattle as an alternate.


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I'm sure they got bumped in mini-BOS.  I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the entries that got through are scored lower than his.  Happened to me many times.

people seem to have the tendency to think the high scores are "legit" and doubt the accuracy of the low ones.
I've seen a judge pair give a First Round IPA a 49/50.  It was the first one kicked in mini-BOS for overwhelming levels of diacetyl.  But that entrant only knows that a pair of judges loved his/her beer.  It leads to a low score later and an upset entrant "But these other guys said it was 49!"  well, they were wrong.

As ~ 20% or so are blind to Diacetyl, maybe the two judges were both blind?

My threshold is high, I often go on slickness. During the mini-Bos for IPAs at one site, after a couple of the 12 were kicked, I asked does anyone else get the Diacetyl on this one? It was evident to me, but no one had said anything. It was then kicked out of the running.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jweiss206 on March 30, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
This is my first time entering the NHC having entered numerous other competitions previously. I've gotten my results back from the Seattle region and am pretty happy with the scores. Out of curiosity is it common not to have any comments filled out? This is the only time it is happened and am wondering if that's standard operating procedure due to the size of the competition or whether it was just judges laziness.

Thanks a lot guys.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jvoeltz on March 30, 2017, 07:47:02 PM
This is my first time entering the NHC having entered numerous other competitions previously. I've gotten my results back from the Seattle region and am pretty happy with the scores. Out of curiosity is it common not to have any comments filled out? This is the only time it is happened and am wondering if that's standard operating procedure due to the size of the competition or whether it was just judges laziness.

Thanks a lot guys.

NHC has gone to the checklist scoring format so judges check boxes rather than write notes.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jweiss206 on March 30, 2017, 11:20:07 PM


NHC has gone to the checklist scoring format so judges check boxes rather than write notes.
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Well that makes me appreciate more the ones that did jot down a comment.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jeffy on March 31, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
I always make some comments in addition to the check marks.  Personally I would rather fill out a regular score sheet than a check-box score sheet.

In Tampa a judge scored a beer 50 points Sunday.  Since I was judge director he asked me to come over and try it.  He said he could not find anything to improve it.  I got a sample and it definitely was good, a Flanders.  It went on to win the best of category.  I have never had the nerve to score a beer that high.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: santoch on March 31, 2017, 01:28:27 AM
Pete Bergler (Site Organizer), Tim Leber (Judge Director), Will Fredin (Head Cellarman), and Sean Drew (Head Steward) all did a great job last weekend.

We knocked out a good 1/3 of the flights on Friday night and the rest were finished by ~4pm on Saturday.

it happens all the time that a lower scoring beer can show better when compared side-by-side in Mini-BOS.  Beers that seemed awesome or weaker in isolation often show better balance or other more subtle features that can only be observed side-by-side.  I trust the mini-BOS process.  It really does work.  The best beers float up to the top.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 31, 2017, 01:47:42 AM
Pete Bergler (Site Organizer), Tim Leber (Judge Director), Will Fredin (Head Cellarman), and Sean Drew (Head Steward) all did a great job last weekend.

We knocked out a good 1/3 of the flights on Friday night and the rest were finished by ~4pm on Saturday.

it happens all the time that a lower scoring beer can show better when compared side-by-side in Mini-BOS.  Beers that seemed awesome or weaker in isolation often show better balance or other more subtle features that can only be observed side-by-side.  I trust the mini-BOS process.  It really does work.  The best beers float up to the top.

+1 for sure.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: secondbase on March 31, 2017, 05:23:19 PM
Some more results have been posted. Seattle, New York and Tampa seem to be up. Not all categories have been uploaded yet, it seems. But a lot of them are up! Anybody get through?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on March 31, 2017, 05:25:30 PM
Some more results have been posted. Seattle, New York and Tampa seem to be up. Not all categories have been uploaded yet, it seems. But a lot of them are up! Anybody get through?

Still waiting on the St. Louis results

Weird they would post NY without all the categories.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: braufessor on March 31, 2017, 06:37:01 PM
Awwww man.... I am waiting on St. Louis too.  Was really hoping all 4 were going to come up today.  They do a good though of turning things around quickly compared to several years ago.  A couple more days won't kill me.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on March 31, 2017, 06:48:07 PM
Awwww man.... I am waiting on St. Louis too.  Was really hoping all 4 were going to come up today.  They do a good though of turning things around quickly compared to several years ago.  A couple more days won't kill me.

Earlier this week when the other status statuses were updated to Verifying Results, St. Louis still wasn't but it updated later that day.  I'm still hoping for a late day arrival today.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: WattsOnTap on March 31, 2017, 11:05:39 PM
Good luck to all those being judged in Philly this weekend!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: santoch on April 01, 2017, 10:21:38 PM
This is my first time entering the NHC having entered numerous other competitions previously. I've gotten my results back from the Seattle region and am pretty happy with the scores. Out of curiosity is it common not to have any comments filled out? This is the only time it is happened and am wondering if that's standard operating procedure due to the size of the competition or whether it was just judges laziness.

Thanks a lot guys.

NHC has gone to the checklist scoring format so judges check boxes rather than write notes.

Congrats, Jeremy.
Well done!

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: santoch on April 01, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
Also, I forgot to mention, it was nice to meet Steve (yso191) last weekend, too.
Granted, it was brief, but still good to meet other forum members in person.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ethinson on April 03, 2017, 11:50:24 AM
I always make some comments in addition to the check marks.  Personally I would rather fill out a regular score sheet than a check-box score sheet.

In Tampa a judge scored a beer 50 points Sunday.  Since I was judge director he asked me to come over and try it.  He said he could not find anything to improve it.  I got a sample and it definitely was good, a Flanders.  It went on to win the best of category.  I have never had the nerve to score a beer that high.

Only sideways related to the OP, but I also don't like the checkbox scoresheets as a judge.  Having to look at every single category "Malt... High/Low...Hops High/Low... Esters High/Low..." seems to take longer than just writing out "Low bready malt aroma, high pine hop aroma, no fruity esters". 

I'm taking a BJCP class right now to try to up my rank, and it's funny that in all honesty even commercial examples don't score 50.  In one of my tasting exams I had a marvelous saison, hit all the notes, clean, super great, and I scored it a 43 or 44.  Turns out it was a fresh bottle of Saison Dupont.  But that's what the proctors scored it too.  Only one point off aroma, two points off flavor, a 9 out of 10 overall impression, a point here or there, World class example of the style but still not a 50.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 03, 2017, 01:47:29 PM
I always make some comments in addition to the check marks.  Personally I would rather fill out a regular score sheet than a check-box score sheet.

In Tampa a judge scored a beer 50 points Sunday.  Since I was judge director he asked me to come over and try it.  He said he could not find anything to improve it.  I got a sample and it definitely was good, a Flanders.  It went on to win the best of category.  I have never had the nerve to score a beer that high.

Only sideways related to the OP, but I also don't like the checkbox scoresheets as a judge.  Having to look at every single category "Malt... High/Low...Hops High/Low... Esters High/Low..." seems to take longer than just writing out "Low bready malt aroma, high pine hop aroma, no fruity esters". 

I'm taking a BJCP class right now to try to up my rank, and it's funny that in all honesty even commercial examples don't score 50.  In one of my tasting exams I had a marvelous saison, hit all the notes, clean, super great, and I scored it a 43 or 44.  Turns out it was a fresh bottle of Saison Dupont.  But that's what the proctors scored it too.  Only one point off aroma, two points off flavor, a 9 out of 10 overall impression, a point here or there, World class example of the style but still not a 50.

The beers in the commercial calibration column in Zymurgy usually end up in the 38 +/- range, when judged by high ranking BJCP judges. I recall a few that got mid 40s, but not many.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: gmr on April 03, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Funny to see this. I think the "50 point beer" in question was mine (won both sour categories in Tampa). I like the beer in question quite a bit, but I think it's high score in comps so far has been 44. But hey, in all the years of entering comps, I've never gotten a 50 point sheet back... So I look forward to seeing it.

At least this post got me to stop lurking and actually post for once.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on April 03, 2017, 05:05:51 PM
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: weimcity on April 03, 2017, 05:46:29 PM
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.

I agree.  It may have been better to wait and post all the regions done on the same date together.
It would not be good to get the scoresheets and results before having winners posted on the site.


Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on April 03, 2017, 06:03:59 PM
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.

I agree.  It may have been better to wait and post all the regions done on the same date together.
It would not be good to get the scoresheets and results before having winners posted on the site.

why not?  Is that not what happens with people who are in attendance and hear the results?
side note: people shouldn't blindly trust the cover sheet.  It is quite common that the placements are not marked.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: weimcity on April 03, 2017, 07:44:33 PM
Even if you are about and "hear" you place, it is not official until verified and posted.
As for the St Louis region, it was one of the first completed that weekend and the very last to be posted.

I have a 99% chance of not going forward, but it would be still be great to know who are.

Best of Wishes to All who did get to advance and hope you all do very well at the National Comp.
You did well in getting out of the regions.  Prost!!!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: seyahmit on April 03, 2017, 07:54:20 PM
I'm impatiently waiting for St. Louis results as well.  Hitting refresh like the dickens today!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on April 03, 2017, 08:33:50 PM
St. Louis results are up.  Got a 3rd in Munich Helles and a 2nd for Cider with Herbs/Spices.  One at the beginning...one at the end.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: braufessor on April 03, 2017, 09:48:10 PM
St. Louis results are up.  Got a 3rd in Munich Helles and a 2nd for Cider with Herbs/Spices.  One at the beginning...one at the end.

Congrats!

I was less optimistic this year (compared to the past few years) with what I sent in, and that proved to be the case - I got skunked this time around.  Back to the drawing board for next year I guess.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jeffy on April 03, 2017, 11:18:48 PM
I entered in St. Louis.  0 for 4.  Dang. I had high hopes.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Backyard Bruise-master on April 05, 2017, 03:36:47 PM
Finally managed to completely set aside my apprehension and anxiety, then I find this post...

First time entering *any* competition, but I have an English Barleywine and a hopped Mead in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: WattsOnTap on April 05, 2017, 11:04:12 PM
Just wondering... Are results only posted on Mondays?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on April 06, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
Just wondering... Are results only posted on Mondays?


Not necessarily.  NY, Tampa and Seattle were posted last Friday.  St. Louis was posted on Monday.  With only 2 regions judging last weekend and hopefully they got their stuff in quick, you may see results tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on April 07, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
Just wondering... Are results only posted on Mondays?


Not necessarily.  NY, Tampa and Seattle were posted last Friday.  St. Louis was posted on Monday.  With only 2 regions judging last weekend and hopefully they got their stuff in quick, you may see results tomorrow.

Philly and San Diego results posted!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: WattsOnTap on April 07, 2017, 08:47:31 PM
Just wondering... Are results only posted on Mondays?


Not necessarily.  NY, Tampa and Seattle were posted last Friday.  St. Louis was posted on Monday.  With only 2 regions judging last weekend and hopefully they got their stuff in quick, you may see results tomorrow.

Philly and San Diego results posted!

Yep, and I struck out.   :-[
So begins my planning for next year...
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: blair.streit on April 13, 2017, 02:47:48 PM
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.
So based on the St. Louis results being posted a little over a week after judging, it seems plausible that Austin results wouldn't be posted until early next week (judging was last weekend)? Just trying to get a general sense so I don't wear out the "refresh" button on my browser ;-)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 13, 2017, 02:55:50 PM
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.
So based on the St. Louis results being posted a little over a week after judging, it seems plausible that Austin results wouldn't be posted until early next week (judging was last weekend)? Just trying to get a general sense so I don't wear out the "refresh" button on my browser ;-)

They did finish on Sunday. It takes time for the AHA staff to verify all of the results. Check back in on Monday.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on April 13, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.
So based on the St. Louis results being posted a little over a week after judging, it seems plausible that Austin results wouldn't be posted until early next week (judging was last weekend)? Just trying to get a general sense so I don't wear out the "refresh" button on my browser ;-)

STL went to "Verifying results" one day later than the others judged that weekend; one would assume because the organizers took an extra day to get them in, but who knows.  As Austin/Milwaukee changed to Verifying Results on Monday, it seems likely you'll see the results tomorrow afternoon as all the other regions have been.  But (stuff) happens.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Steve L on April 13, 2017, 10:40:57 PM
So I got my scoresheets back and did OK, low to mid 30's. Cool thing is, as I'm reading, I look at the 2 judges names who scored my american amber and suddenly realized...  I have heard these names before. Turns out one ( I won't mention any names ) was featured in Denny ad Drew's "Homebrew Allstars" and the other, among many other accolades, has lectured at NHC. You gotta love a hobby where your peers are so accessible. :)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: JWM1484 on April 15, 2017, 01:55:50 PM
Seen Milwaukee is posted. Advanced with 2nd place with my american stout.

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: 69franx on April 15, 2017, 04:30:42 PM
Well done

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jeffy on April 15, 2017, 08:28:46 PM
So I got my scoresheets back and did OK, low to mid 30's. Cool thing is, as I'm reading, I look at the 2 judges names who scored my american amber and suddenly realized...  I have heard these names before. Turns out one ( I won't mention any names ) was featured in Denny ad Drew's "Homebrew Allstars" and the other, among many other accolades, has lectured at NHC. You gotta love a hobby where your peers are so accessible. :)
Did you enter in the South?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Steve L on April 16, 2017, 12:47:32 AM
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So I got my scoresheets back and did OK, low to mid 30's. Cool thing is, as I'm reading, I look at the 2 judges names who scored my american amber and suddenly realized...  I have heard these names before. Turns out one ( I won't mention any names ) was featured in Denny ad Drew's "Homebrew Allstars" and the other, among many other accolades, has lectured at NHC. You gotta love a hobby where your peers are so accessible. :)
Did you enter in the South?
Yes, Tampa where I received a good score and advice on my amber ale from a BJCP Master Judge..... ;)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: metron-brewer on April 16, 2017, 12:54:43 PM
This is VERY exciting, my IPA advanced out of Milwaukee! My first time entering the NHC and I took a first in the first round!

I'm going to have to re-brew it as I had no thoughts of advancing and we drank it all. I have a question regarding the re-brew. Is it bad form to make minor recipe adjustments based on the first round judges feedback? Not planning on anything major, just maybe slight water profile adjustment and bumping the mash temp up a degree or two. Got a couple of comments that it could use a bit better balance.

It obviously is a decent beer so if it's not right to make recipe changes I'll be happy to brew it the same.
Cheers!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: JWM1484 on April 16, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
You already got your feedback? How did they send it to you?

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: metron-brewer on April 16, 2017, 01:26:40 PM
You already got your feedback? How did they send it to you?

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Came in the mail on Friday.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 16, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
Yes, you can make adjustments. It just has to be the same category Beer. Adjust your IPA, and good luck.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: metron-brewer on April 16, 2017, 02:44:08 PM
Thanks Jeff
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jeffy on April 16, 2017, 03:12:25 PM
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So I got my scoresheets back and did OK, low to mid 30's. Cool thing is, as I'm reading, I look at the 2 judges names who scored my american amber and suddenly realized...  I have heard these names before. Turns out one ( I won't mention any names ) was featured in Denny ad Drew's "Homebrew Allstars" and the other, among many other accolades, has lectured at NHC. You gotta love a hobby where your peers are so accessible. :)
Did you enter in the South?
Yes, Tampa where I received a good score and advice on my amber ale from a BJCP Master Judge..... ;)
Cool.  I hope it was accurate. 
We had six Master judges over that weekend in Tampa.  I was mostly setting up flights and tables and only got a chance to judge one flight over five sessions.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: pepperford on April 16, 2017, 05:55:38 PM
I have a question concerning a re-brew for the second round. I have a saison that went in as a standard strength. Can I change it to a table strength, or is that not permitted? I just happen to make a table version a couple weeks ago and it's tasting pretty good. I'm also brewing two more because I can't stop myself.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on April 16, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
I didn't realize they were releasing scoresheets for beers that advanced. I haven't received anything from Indy.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 16, 2017, 09:14:57 PM
I haven't received anything from Indy.


I haven't either. With this being the first region done, I'd think soon. I had mine before this time last year. Ehh whatever, it takes a while.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on April 16, 2017, 09:43:53 PM
I could care less actually. I was going by the rules page. It said score sheets for the top 3 wouldn't be released until all regions were complete. I could have read that wrong. My Triple advanced, but I got nothing. It is oxidized in the keg. Trying to rebrew a Triple for the finals is futile IMO. Entered at the last minute, next year I'll bottle condition.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 16, 2017, 09:55:08 PM
I could care less actually. I was going by the rules page. It said score sheets for the top 3 wouldn't be released until all regions were complete. I could have read that wrong. My Triple advanced, but I got nothing. It is oxidized in the keg. Trying to rebrew a Triple for the finals is futile IMO. Entered at the last minute, next year I'll bottle condition.


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Congrats on advancing anyway!


Edit - I could actually care less, either. Not the first rodeo. Always interesting to read the feedback, though.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Steve L on April 16, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
'
So I got my scoresheets back and did OK, low to mid 30's. Cool thing is, as I'm reading, I look at the 2 judges names who scored my american amber and suddenly realized...  I have heard these names before. Turns out one ( I won't mention any names ) was featured in Denny ad Drew's "Homebrew Allstars" and the other, among many other accolades, has lectured at NHC. You gotta love a hobby where your peers are so accessible. :)
Did you enter in the South?
Yes, Tampa where I received a good score and advice on my amber ale from a BJCP Master Judge..... ;)
Cool.  I hope it was accurate. 
We had six Master judges over that weekend in Tampa.  I was mostly setting up flights and tables and only got a chance to judge one flight over five sessions.
Yes, I think you were spot on. It didn't turn out as well as I had hoped, I believe I dry hopped it a bit heavier than I should have for an amber. It was better a month later as the hops mellowed a bit. I'm gonna re-brew it with 1/2 the dry hops and bump the malt bill up a bit.
Thanks for the guidance, I'm going to enter the modified version in our local comp this fall.
:)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on April 17, 2017, 02:28:51 AM
I could care less actually. I was going by the rules page. It said score sheets for the top 3 wouldn't be released until all regions were complete. I could have read that wrong. My Triple advanced, but I got nothing. It is oxidized in the keg. Trying to rebrew a Triple for the finals is futile IMO. Entered at the last minute, next year I'll bottle condition.


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Congrats on advancing anyway!


Edit - I could actually care less, either. Not the first rodeo. Always interesting to read the feedback, though.
Thanks, everyone knows how hard it is to move on. The Brewers are so good, I was stoked with the news. I do want to see my scoresheets. I really thought it would have been my Kolsch. I'll blame it on the copper.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Hella Hazy on April 17, 2017, 07:52:58 PM
I'm curious to see my scoresheets, particularly for the ones that didn't advance (well... most of them, I KNOW my Baltic Porter wasn't my best effort and I shouldn't have entered it).  Haven't received any score sheets yet (Philly).

Edit: spoke too soon. My scoresheets were waiting for me when I got home!

Man... I was all over the place this year.  2 in the 20s, 2 in the 30s, 1 40.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: fat_bastard on April 17, 2017, 08:04:00 PM
whats up with sacramento? the other regions who judged had their results posted last week.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on April 18, 2017, 05:03:32 PM
Funny, my lowest score advanced with 44 entries. Comps can be hit or miss.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: harper.lane on April 18, 2017, 05:55:58 PM
I checked with John Moorhead at the AHA regarding the hold-up with Sacramento - he mentioned a shortage of judges prevented them from finishing on the planned days so the judging went into this last weekend. 

The World Cup of Beer and the California State Fair Homebrew competitions were all around the same time as NHC, which probably contributed to being short on judges.

He said that all Sac results should be validated by Friday April, 21st.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: fat_bastard on April 18, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
I checked with John Moorhead at the AHA regarding the hold-up with Sacramento - he mentioned a shortage of judges prevented them from finishing on the planned days so the judging went into this last weekend. 

The World Cup of Beer and the California State Fair Homebrew competitions were all around the same time as NHC, which probably contributed to being short on judges.

He said that all Sac results should be validated by Friday April, 21st.

Thanks for the update, I hope they were able to get experienced judges.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dfisher on April 19, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
Being my first year in the national comp, curious why they wouldn't wait to post all the results until all judging centers are done?

It seems unfair to someone in the Denver, Chicago locations. By the time they find out if they are moving on they have no time for a re-brew unlike the early judging centers where results have been available for for almost a month.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Mark on April 19, 2017, 09:52:05 PM
This was my 1st contest I entered 2 beers, one was an IPA that made it to a mini bos, do I find out how it did in the mini bos?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 19, 2017, 10:00:26 PM
Typically, you only find out how you did in the mini bos by being one of the top three entries of the category.  But making it to mini bos put you in the top few!  (Depending on the size of the category entries, it could be as few as 4 to 6 or as many as 8 to 9 - I have rarely seen it greater than that, but I suppose it could happen.)  I wouldn't worry about the numbers - focus on the things mentioned and hope that the judges who scored your entry did a thorough job of evaluation.  If they did, you should be able to pick out the things that were well received and what might be the shortcomings in your beer. 

As an IPA, I imagine that it was up against some pretty steep competition, so your beer must have been pretty solid to advance to mini bos.  Congrats on that for a first-time entry!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Mark on April 19, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
Thanks for the info, it didn't advance, there were 36 entries in that category I believe.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 19, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
Typically, you only find out how you did in the mini bos by being one of the top three entries of the category.  But making it to mini bos put you in the top few!  (Depending on the size of the category entries, it could be as few as 4 to 6 or as many as 8 to 9 - I have rarely seen it greater than that, but I suppose it could happen.)  I wouldn't worry about the numbers - focus on the things mentioned and hope that the judges who scored your entry did a thorough job of evaluation.  If they did, you should be able to pick out the things that were well received and what might be the shortcomings in your beer. 

As an IPA, I imagine that it was up against some pretty steep competition, so your beer must have been pretty solid to advance to mini bos.  Congrats on that for a first-time entry!

There were 12 in the Indy minibos.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jeffy on April 19, 2017, 11:42:42 PM
In Florida competitions we got tired of some beers moving on to the best of category round with no additional info so we added some notes for those brewers who advanced.  People who entered in the South will get some additional brief feedback if they advanced, just a little info on what the judges discussed in the mini best of show round.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: brewinhard on April 19, 2017, 11:44:35 PM
In Florida competitions we got tired of some beers moving on to the best of category round with no additional info so we added some notes for those brewers who advanced.  People who entered in the South will get some additional brief feedback if they advanced, just a little info on what the judges discussed in the mini best of show round.

This is greatly appreciated by brewers that enter comps frequently. It can sometimes help us take a recipe/process to the next level. Thank you for that!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: santoch on April 20, 2017, 02:32:34 AM
Being my first year in the national comp, curious why they wouldn't wait to post all the results until all judging centers are done?

It seems unfair to someone in the Denver, Chicago locations. By the time they find out if they are moving on they have no time for a re-brew unlike the early judging centers where results have been available for for almost a month.

This gets asked every year.  It's not a matter of fairness or not.  There are some styles that should be rebrewed (IPA, Am Wheat, etc), and those that are impossible (Barleywine, Gueze, etc).

The best thing you can do is plan as though you will advance everything you entered, and rebrew the categories that need rebrewing regardless of whether you advance or not.  Best case, you are ready to go for 2nd round.  Worst case, you have some extra beer to share with your friends for when the weather turns nice.  Throw a BBQ for your friends and kick back and enjoy the June weather when they should be at their peak.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 20, 2017, 02:43:16 AM
Being my first year in the national comp, curious why they wouldn't wait to post all the results until all judging centers are done?

It seems unfair to someone in the Denver, Chicago locations. By the time they find out if they are moving on they have no time for a re-brew unlike the early judging centers where results have been available for for almost a month.

This gets asked every year.  It's not a matter of fairness or not.  There are some styles that should be rebrewed (IPA, Am Wheat, etc), and those that are impossible (Barleywine, Gueze, etc).

The best thing you can do is plan as though you will advance everything you entered, and rebrew the categories that need rebrewing regardless of whether you advance or not.  Best case, you are ready to go for 2nd round.  Worst case, you have some extra beer to share with your friends for when the weather turns nice.  Throw a BBQ for your friends and kick back and enjoy the June weather when they should be at their peak.

This is the correct answer.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: macbrews on April 20, 2017, 03:32:05 AM
It would be nice if the shipping windows paralleled the judging dates. Some beers have to be shipped as much as a month and a half prior to being judged. I don't see a reason why that can't change.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 20, 2017, 12:06:38 PM

The best thing you can do is plan as though you will advance everything you entered, and rebrew the categories that need rebrewing regardless of whether you advance or not.  Best case, you are ready to go for 2nd round.  Worst case, you have some extra beer to share with your friends for when the weather turns nice.  Throw a BBQ for your friends and kick back and enjoy the June weather when they should be at their peak.




Yep, it's the easiest solution. My Dunkel didn't advance but I rebrewed as if it would, to keep the timeline on schedule. Having 5 more gallons of a good beer is never a bad thing!


Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on April 20, 2017, 12:29:08 PM
Being my first year in the national comp, curious why they wouldn't wait to post all the results until all judging centers are done?

It seems unfair to someone in the Denver, Chicago locations. By the time they find out if they are moving on they have no time for a re-brew unlike the early judging centers where results have been available for for almost a month.

This gets asked every year.  It's not a matter of fairness or not.  There are some styles that should be rebrewed (IPA, Am Wheat, etc), and those that are impossible (Barleywine, Gueze, etc).

The best thing you can do is plan as though you will advance everything you entered, and rebrew the categories that need rebrewing regardless of whether you advance or not.  Best case, you are ready to go for 2nd round.  Worst case, you have some extra beer to share with your friends for when the weather turns nice.  Throw a BBQ for your friends and kick back and enjoy the June weather when they should be at their peak.



Not to mention this is how they did it a couple years ago and there were a lot more people complaining then.  I like the current system better.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: metron-brewer on April 20, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
Also keep in mind the spread of judging dates, from March 17 thru April 23. I looked for a date that fit my schedule to plan for a re-brew if necessary and put that as my first choice.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 20, 2017, 01:39:38 PM
It would be nice if the shipping windows paralleled the judging dates. Some beers have to be shipped as much as a month and a half prior to being judged. I don't see a reason why that can't change.


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One issue is the judge pool size. It is not uncommon for judges to judge at 2 or more sites. I combined family visits with judging this year and did 3 sites.

Take St. Louis and Indianapolis. When I judged Indy, there were several from MO there, I know some from IN that went to St. Louis.

More judges are always welcome. A big competion can't run without them, or stewards.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 20, 2017, 04:58:17 PM
It would be nice if the shipping windows paralleled the judging dates. Some beers have to be shipped as much as a month and a half prior to being judged. I don't see a reason why that can't change.

I think in theory this is a good idea, but I think in practice it would create a lot of confusion. From my experience running comps, many entrants still get confused about the basics of entering a homerbew comp. My bet is having staggered shipping deadlines for each region would cause heartburn from entrants not paying close enough attention and shipping too early/late. We see that in our fairly small comps since we have a different deadline for out of town LHBSs; there are always several who don't read the different deadlines for each drop off location.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 20, 2017, 05:02:49 PM
This gets asked every year.  It's not a matter of fairness or not.  There are some styles that should be rebrewed (IPA, Am Wheat, etc), and those that are impossible (Barleywine, Gueze, etc).

The best thing you can do is plan as though you will advance everything you entered, and rebrew the categories that need rebrewing regardless of whether you advance or not.  Best case, you are ready to go for 2nd round.  Worst case, you have some extra beer to share with your friends for when the weather turns nice.  Throw a BBQ for your friends and kick back and enjoy the June weather when they should be at their peak.

Not so much enjoying the Phoenix weather in June.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on April 20, 2017, 05:13:16 PM
Anybody get their scoresheets back from San Diego yet?  My best bitter advanced and I'm really curious to know the actual score.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on April 20, 2017, 05:34:17 PM
Anybody get their scoresheets back from San Diego yet?  My best bitter advanced and I'm really curious to know the actual score.

I'm still waiting on mine from St. Louis and that was almost 4 weeks ago.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: macbrews on April 20, 2017, 05:40:05 PM
It would be nice if the shipping windows paralleled the judging dates. Some beers have to be shipped as much as a month and a half prior to being judged. I don't see a reason why that can't change.

I think in theory this is a good idea, but I think in practice it would create a lot of confusion. From my experience running comps, many entrants still get confused about the basics of entering a homerbew comp. My bet is having staggered shipping deadlines for each region would cause heartburn from entrants not paying close enough attention and shipping too early/late. We see that in our fairly small comps since we have a different deadline for out of town LHBSs; there are always several who don't read the different deadlines for each drop off location.
Good points.  I think it could be doable, but would require a lot of communication.



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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 20, 2017, 05:44:51 PM
Anybody get their scoresheets back from San Diego yet?  My best bitter advanced and I'm really curious to know the actual score.

I'm still waiting on mine from St. Louis and that was almost 4 weeks ago.

I'm still waiting on SD as well. I feel like they were a little quicker the last few years, but I get that stuffing envelopes and mailing them is time consuming and a pain. I'll bring up scoresheet turn around time and digitalization to the comp committee next go round and see if any good ideas emerge.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on April 20, 2017, 11:23:19 PM

I'm still waiting on SD as well. I feel like they were a little quicker the last few years, but I get that stuffing envelopes and mailing them is time consuming and a pain. I'll bring up scoresheet turn around time and digitalization to the comp committee next go round and see if any good ideas emerge.

I'm sure its a massive undertaking.  Is that all done by local volunteers?  I'm totally ignorant of the process, but it must be a ton of work.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 20, 2017, 11:29:18 PM

I'm still waiting on SD as well. I feel like they were a little quicker the last few years, but I get that stuffing envelopes and mailing them is time consuming and a pain. I'll bring up scoresheet turn around time and digitalization to the comp committee next go round and see if any good ideas emerge.

I'm sure its a massive undertaking. Is that all done by local volunteers?  I'm totally ignorant of the process, but it must be a ton of work.

Yep. All part of the glamorous job of running a competition.  8)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jvoeltz on April 21, 2017, 07:02:44 AM
It would be nice if the shipping windows paralleled the judging dates. Some beers have to be shipped as much as a month and a half prior to being judged. I don't see a reason why that can't change.

I think in theory this is a good idea, but I think in practice it would create a lot of confusion. From my experience running comps, many entrants still get confused about the basics of entering a homerbew comp. My bet is having staggered shipping deadlines for each region would cause heartburn from entrants not paying close enough attention and shipping too early/late. We see that in our fairly small comps since we have a different deadline for out of town LHBSs; there are always several who don't read the different deadlines for each drop off location.

I agree Dennis. Especially, since with the lottery, you don't know where you're sending brews until pretty late in the brew process anyways.

Besides, the people that are experienced enough in NHC to know about the perceived inequality of releasing results at different times, should also be the ones that plan rebrew schedules long before the first round results are out.

I mean, udubdawg and I aren't the only ones with a planned brew schedule for NHC 2018, are we? ;)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on April 21, 2017, 11:38:57 AM
It would be nice if the shipping windows paralleled the judging dates. Some beers have to be shipped as much as a month and a half prior to being judged. I don't see a reason why that can't change.

I think in theory this is a good idea, but I think in practice it would create a lot of confusion. From my experience running comps, many entrants still get confused about the basics of entering a homerbew comp. My bet is having staggered shipping deadlines for each region would cause heartburn from entrants not paying close enough attention and shipping too early/late. We see that in our fairly small comps since we have a different deadline for out of town LHBSs; there are always several who don't read the different deadlines for each drop off location.

I agree Dennis. Especially, since with the lottery, you don't know where you're sending brews until pretty late in the brew process anyways.

Besides, the people that are experienced enough in NHC to know about the perceived inequality of releasing results at different times, should also be the ones that plan rebrew schedules long before the first round results are out.

I mean, udubdawg and I aren't the only ones with a planned brew schedule for NHC 2018, are we? ;)

Next year's mead is nearly finished...

I will say though that done properly getting scoresheets out shouldn't be a problem. When KC had the first round - and they requested it this year, even moving their annual competition to accommodate - all the sheets were packed into pre-labeled envelopes even while the last groups were finishing judging on Saturday.

Meanwhile I got my Indy sheets two days ago.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: fat_bastard on April 22, 2017, 10:58:55 PM
still waiting on sacramento results,wonder if they had to spend a 3rd weekend judging?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jeffy on April 22, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
I got mine by email today from St. Louis.  They must have some other data base they are experimenting with to use email rather than postage.  We would have done that in the South if it had been available.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on April 23, 2017, 02:45:14 AM
I have a question. I got my score sheets back from Indy and it states that my American Barleywine got second place, but on the winner's online page it has me down as third place. So, which one is it or do I have to wait for the ribbon ,


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 24, 2017, 04:43:33 PM
I have a question. I got my score sheets back from Indy and it states that my American Barleywine got second place, but on the winner's online page it has me down as third place. So, which one is it or do I have to wait for the ribbon

I would trust the winners page since the results get verified by the AHA. Error are more frequent in the cover sheet. But, I'd recommend emailing John Moorhead and asking about the discrepancy. Either way, congrats on advancing!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 24, 2017, 04:47:13 PM
I got mine by email today from St. Louis.  They must have some other data base they are experimenting with to use email rather than postage.  We would have done that in the South if it had been available.

I judged up in Denver this past weekend and they were also scanning score sheets.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: jse79 on April 24, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
Any insights from the Sacramento judging centre?  It seems like the results are coming out slower than the other competition sights - I wonder if they had a higher volume of beers to judge?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 24, 2017, 07:04:54 PM
Any insights from the Sacramento judging centre?  It seems like the results are coming out slower than the other competition sights - I wonder if they had a higher volume of beers to judge?

Someone posted a little earlier that they didn't finish up on time. They had several big competitions in the area so seemed to have issue getting everything done on time. It's definitely not a volume issue as all the regions had similar numbers of entries.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: harper.lane on April 24, 2017, 11:13:01 PM
Any insights from the Sacramento judging centre?  It seems like the results are coming out slower than the other competition sights - I wonder if they had a higher volume of beers to judge?

Someone posted a little earlier that they didn't finish up on time. They had several big competitions in the area so seemed to have issue getting everything done on time. It's definitely not a volume issue as all the regions had similar numbers of entries.

I emailed John Moorhead again to see why Sacramento results have not been verified yet.  I have not heard back... hopefully its not going to be another full week.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on April 25, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Looks like the last 3 Judging Centers just posted results.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on April 26, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
Thanks, I sent him an email.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 26, 2017, 03:10:31 AM
Chicago winners are posted.  I advanced a German Lichtbier.  Not sure my samples will hold up well for Nationals, though.  Nice to be recognized for a Low O2 batch.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: brewinhard on April 26, 2017, 02:13:40 PM
Chicago winners are posted.  I advanced a German Lichtbier.  Not sure my samples will hold up well for Nationals, though.  Nice to be recognized for a Low O2 batch.

Well done!  What did you think of your low O2 version?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: bayareabrewer on April 26, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
Chicago winners are posted.  I advanced a German Lichtbier.  Not sure my samples will hold up well for Nationals, though.  Nice to be recognized for a Low O2 batch.

congratulations. What were your DO levels throughout the process?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Big Monk on April 26, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
Chicago winners are posted.  I advanced a German Lichtbier.  Not sure my samples will hold up well for Nationals, though.  Nice to be recognized for a Low O2 batch.

Congrats! Glad it turned out well.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 27, 2017, 02:04:15 AM
Chicago winners are posted.  I advanced a German Lichtbier.  Not sure my samples will hold up well for Nationals, though.  Nice to be recognized for a Low O2 batch.

congratulations. What were your DO levels throughout the process?
Thank you.  As to O2 levels, I can't say, as I don't have a DO meter, but I guess I kept the sodium metabisulfite
somewhere  below a noticeable "eggy level", evidently.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: The Beerery on April 27, 2017, 11:20:02 AM
Chicago winners are posted.  I advanced a German Lichtbier.  Not sure my samples will hold up well for Nationals, though.  Nice to be recognized for a Low O2 batch.

congratulations. What were your DO levels throughout the process?
Thank you.  As to O2 levels, I can't say, as I don't have a DO meter, but I guess I kept the sodium metabisulfite
somewhere  below a noticeable "eggy level", evidently.



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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: bayareabrewer on April 27, 2017, 03:15:42 PM
kind of odd to call it low 02 if theres no validity to the claim....
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Big Monk on April 27, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
kind of odd to call it low 02 if theres no validity to the claim....

But the use of metabisulfite has been shown, empirically, to scavenge Oxygen by multiple sources. Some of whom you seem to scorn and others, like Brulosophy, whom I'm sure you respect.

You don't require evidence of combustion every time to know that putting gas in your car makes it go vroom vroom, do you?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: bayareabrewer on April 27, 2017, 03:54:55 PM
kind of odd to call it low 02 if theres no validity to the claim....

But the use of metabisulfite has been shown, empirically, to scavenge Oxygen by multiple sources. Some of whom you seem to scorn and others, like Brulosophy, whom I'm sure you respect.

You don't require evidence of combustion every time to know that putting gas in your car makes it go vroom vroom, do you?

meta is an antioxidant, no argument from me about that. I just wish y'all would be as critical about claims of 02 success as you are with failures. If your only markers for o2 success are that the brewer likes it, then your method is a self fulfilling prophecy. You like it, you did it right, you don't, you did it wrong. Without verifying that DO was in fact low, why are you so quick to congratulate the successful brewer while questioning a naysayer?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Big Monk on April 27, 2017, 04:11:42 PM
kind of odd to call it low 02 if theres no validity to the claim....

But the use of metabisulfite has been shown, empirically, to scavenge Oxygen by multiple sources. Some of whom you seem to scorn and others, like Brulosophy, whom I'm sure you respect.

You don't require evidence of combustion every time to know that putting gas in your car makes it go vroom vroom, do you?

meta is an antioxidant, no argument from me about that. I just wish y'all would be as critical about claims of 02 success as you are with failures. If your only markers for o2 success are that the brewer likes it, then your method is a self fulfilling prophecy. You like it, you did it right, you don't, you did it wrong. Without verifying that DO was in fact low, why are you so quick to congratulate the successful brewer while questioning a naysayer?

It's a valid point. We assume that people with good brewing practices that are making good beers, and who subsequently integrate antioxidants and mechanically limit ingress, and seem to enjoy the product, are experiencing low levels of DO. Without an actual measurement there is no way to truly know. All we can assume, knowing what we know about the scavenging power, is that if people have sound general practices, that they SHOULD have success.

We also see a lot of people choosing to brew a beer they know very well as their first Low Oxygen beer. This helps people to pick out any differences, subjectively. Ultimately, sulfite strips can give you a general idea of consumption. 

As far as failures, typically the ones reported don't have a fair amount of data associated. The Brulosophy experiment was an outlier and had a great write up so it was ripe for analysis and criticism. Natebrews has posted extensively on our site about his perceived lack of success and gave much data to try and elicit some troubleshooting.

Ultimately we encourage trial and error and troubleshooting. We don't assume anyone did anything explicitly wrong. Given the number of people who have, at least subjectively, shown great results, we assume that if the brewer was unhappy with the results given what he's read about the techniques, that there is room for improvement.

Failure is not a dirty word. You can fail to capture the desired results with a written procedure. You just have to troubleshoot and move on from there. We don't typically scrutinize people who are having success, because we assume that they are brewing a recipe they are comfortable with and really do feel like they are making a better beer.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: bayareabrewer on April 27, 2017, 04:30:10 PM
but all your assumptions are self serving.

Someone does low DO brewing but stirs their mash, uses copper of doesn't use a mash cap or doesn't verify low DO but still claims to benefit, you congratulate them and pat yourselves on the back. When Denny experiments with antioxidants and sees no benefit, its because he didn't follow every rule. Your entire approach is going to lead you to a self serving conclusion.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on April 27, 2017, 04:48:09 PM
I would like to report a thread hijacking in progress.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: bayareabrewer on April 27, 2017, 04:51:58 PM
yeah, this feels like groundhog day. I'll stop.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Big Monk on April 27, 2017, 05:00:40 PM
but all your assumptions are self serving.

Someone does low DO brewing but stirs their mash, uses copper of doesn't use a mash cap or doesn't verify low DO but still claims to benefit, you congratulate them and pat yourselves on the back. When Denny experiments with antioxidants and sees no benefit, its because he didn't follow every rule. Your entire approach is going to lead you to a self serving conclusion.

This is what is so frustrating and why I think you and I in particular butt heads. Having the opinion you state above disregards all the material we have put out, all the sources we site, all the great interactions and help we give on this forum and our own, etc.

This says you are so opposed to what we are saying that you are willfully disregarding a large volume of material that we have put out.

Just to address the explicitly stated concerns you raise above:

1.) We have never said don't stir. YOU HAVE TO STIR the mash to ensure mixing of the strike water and grain. Should you whip it with an egg beater? No.

2.) People are having great results and are keeping copper. Brewtan B seems to be doing its job on that front.

3.) Many people have purchase meters and are using sulfite test kits and strips. Verification is simpler than most people assume.

Please note we have commented on all of this at our site. Have you read any of our material? Even a cursory glance at our blog would have shot down your concerns.

As far as Denny's experiments, even he has admitted that he didn't utilize any other form of reduction prior to using the antioxidants. They are most effective when you start with as close to 0 DO as you can. His trials live outside of this conversation though. He was never testing Low Oxygen when he did them. That's not a dig, it's a reality.

The self serving thing is curious. By self serving do you mean put a bunch of information in a form that is easily digestible to brewers in he hopes they will use it to have success in a method you are passionate about?

If yes, then we are definitely self serving. We want people to succeed because we want people to make great beer. Not because it benefits us, but because it benefits them. We are into helping people.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dannyjed on April 27, 2017, 11:19:13 PM
I have a question. I got my score sheets back from Indy and it states that my American Barleywine got second place, but on the winner's online page it has me down as third place. So, which one is it or do I have to wait for the ribbon

I would trust the winners page since the results get verified by the AHA. Error are more frequent in the cover sheet. But, I'd recommend emailing John Moorhead and asking about the discrepancy. Either way, congrats on advancing!
Thanks for directing me to email John. As it turns out, the winner's page was wrong (now corrected) and I actually got a 2nd place. I guess I'm not the only one who likes my HiDO Barleywine.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 28, 2017, 02:28:25 AM
I'm not saying anything about my Low O2 approach. I didn't judge my beer.  Just that I implemented Low O2 process.  Maybe it won't hold up for the next round, but if a bunch do,does it mean nothing?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on April 28, 2017, 03:28:22 PM
 >:(
 NHC chat is pretty much the only thing I come back here for at this point.  Please don't ruin THAT too.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 28, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
>:(
 NHC chat is pretty much the only thing I come back here for at this point.  Please don't ruin THAT too.




Good luck to all who advanced.  It really is about the beer and I apologize for any derailing that occurred.  Looking forward to judging and Club Night.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on April 28, 2017, 06:16:24 PM
>:(
 NHC chat is pretty much the only thing I come back here for at this point.  Please don't ruin THAT too.

Indeed, sir.

On that note, I saw the email yesterday that online post-competition packages have been pushed to May 3rd.  Was glad they sent an update, I have been checking obsessively since I am still waiting on my score sheets from San Diego.  I've never advanced before (this was only my second year entering) and I want to see all the info on what happens next.  Thankfully I didn't drink all of my Best Bitter yet - it never occurred to me that it might actually move forward and I wasn't paying attention to how much I had left.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: brewinhard on April 29, 2017, 07:35:59 PM
>:(
 NHC chat is pretty much the only thing I come back here for at this point.  Please don't ruin THAT too.

Indeed, sir.

On that note, I saw the email yesterday that online post-competition packages have been pushed to May 3rd.  Was glad they sent an update, I have been checking obsessively since I am still waiting on my score sheets from San Diego.  I've never advanced before (this was only my second year entering) and I want to see all the info on what happens next.  Thankfully I didn't drink all of my Best Bitter yet - it never occurred to me that it might actually move forward and I wasn't paying attention to how much I had left.

Congrats!  Brew that sucka up again and compare your new batch with the older one to see which is better for entering. Can only increase your chances.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: blair.streit on April 30, 2017, 06:58:58 PM
After almost 3 years of fumbling around in the dark I figured it was time to enter a comp and get some unbiased feedback. I entered 3 beers into Austin and just got my scores in the mail yesterday:


I was very pleased with the results and feel like I received some good, actionable feedback on the Alt and the Baltic Porter.

On the Marzen, I'd like some help from the group to interpret the results and one aspect in particular that confused me. In short, it appears that both judges detected some banana in the aroma that was not noted in the flavor or anywhere else. It was marked under esters, but I'm not 100% sure if I was actually dinged for that or not. The guidelines on aroma state, "Moderate intensity aroma of German malt, typically rich, bready, somewhat toasty, with light bread crust notes." I see a lot of reviews of commercial Marzen stating "banana bread" as an aroma descriptor.

So, before sharing the recipe or anything else, I'm curious about your thoughts on the banana just from this feeedback? Is this where I should focus, or based on the details below do you feel I'm over-emphasizing this one bit of the feedback?

Here's the detailed breakdown of the scoresheets in case it's helpful:

Judge1 - 39
Aroma - 9/12; Malt - Bready, Hops - Floral; Esters - Banana
Appearance - 3/3; Persistent ivory head on burnished copper
Flavor -   15/20; Malt - Bready, Hops - Very slight Spicy (no esters/other/balance marked)
Mouthfeel -   5/5; Crisp, dry finish
Overall - 7/10; "Drink a pint"; Comment - Flavorful, easy drinking and very well-brewed

Judge2 - 37
Aroma - 7/12; Malt - Bready, Hops - Floral/Spicy; Esters - Banana/Fruity; Comment - Strong banana at first, going to spiciness
Appearance - 3/3; Cream head on copper   
Flavor - 15/20; Malt - Bready, Hops - Spicy (no esters/other/balance marked); Even balance
Mouthfeel - 4/5;
Overall -   8/10; 4/5 on all intangibles; "Drink a pint"

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 30, 2017, 07:20:37 PM
I see a lot of reviews of commercial Marzen stating "banana bread" as an aroma descriptor.


First off, congrats on the good scores! But are you sure you aren't thinking of hefeweizen's description as banana bread? Banana esters shouldn't ever be in a Marzen IMO. Descriptions as bready - yes, banana bread -no. What was your temp schedule on your Marzen, out of curiosity? Yeast strain? Regardless, sounds like a cooler ferment schedule would clean up the esters.
Title: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: blair.streit on April 30, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
...are you sure you aren't thinking of hefeweizen's description as banana bread? Banana esters shouldn't ever be in a Marzen IMO. Descriptions as bready - yes, banana bread -no.
Yeah I can't find any of the references I'm thinking of now, and I get your point. There's a part of my brain that associates "sweet/rich bread" with "banana bread" even though they're not the same (think King's Hawaiian rolls).

On that note I'm also trying to wrap my head around how banana esters are present in the aroma but not in the flavor. Does this potentially mean they're just there in low amounts?

What was your temp schedule on your Marzen, out of curiosity? Yeast strain? Regardless, sounds like a cooler ferment schedule would clean up the esters.

Pitched WLP833 at 47F and let it rise to 50 where I held it for a week before a slow rise to finish off / clean up.



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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 30, 2017, 09:18:17 PM
Yeah, your temp schedule is obviously plenty cool. And 833 is plenty clean IME. Do you use your tap water? Use campden? Because chlorophenols formed from water that wasn't dechlorinated can cause a phenolic/maybe banana type character. As can a low level infection for that matter. Doesn't sound yeast related, assuming you pitched plenty and the yeast weren't overly stressed from underpitching.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: santoch on April 30, 2017, 09:30:19 PM
banana is isoamyl acetate, an ester.  chlorine in the water forms chlorophenols, which are obviously phenolic.
The clove phenolic in weizenbier is from 4-vinyl guaiacol.
http://www.aroxa.com/beer/beer-flavour-standard/4-vinyl-guaiacol

Check out that site for some more off flavor descriptions:
http://www.aroxa.com/beer/beer-flavour-standard

Their kits are REALLY expensive, though, which is a shame.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 30, 2017, 09:44:25 PM
Yep, no argument on banana being an ester vs a phenol. I was just trying to place what could've caused the critique, in theory. Maybe a low level infection is a possibility. I've just never known 833 to throw banana. Doesn't make it impossible, I guess.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: blair.streit on May 01, 2017, 03:13:56 AM
Maybe a low level infection is a possibility. I've just never known 833 to throw banana. Doesn't make it impossible, I guess.
Yeah I don't pick up the banana in the aroma myself, but as mentioned I do get a "sweet bread" aroma that is at least adjacent in my mind.

I'm pretty sure it's not a contamination issue. I just had a bottle today that was bottled off the keg at the same time as the ones that were judged. At this point the beer is over 6 months old and over 2 months in the bottle. I would think any kind of contamination would be growing in prominence, but everything seems pretty much the same to me. I also still have some in the keg and it tastes pretty much the same as the bottle (though I'm starting to pick up some faint sweetness in the bottle that I'd chalk up to early signs of oxidation).


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: blair.streit on May 01, 2017, 03:16:20 AM
Do you use your tap water? Use campden? Because chlorophenols formed from water that wasn't dechlorinated can cause a phenolic/maybe banana type character.
Yeah our water is pretty heavy in chloramine so slow carbon filtering and Campden are both part of my routine.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: brewinhard on May 01, 2017, 03:36:40 PM
Maybe a low level infection is a possibility. I've just never known 833 to throw banana. Doesn't make it impossible, I guess.
Yeah I don't pick up the banana in the aroma myself, but as mentioned I do get a "sweet bread" aroma that is at least adjacent in my mind.

I'm pretty sure it's not a contamination issue. I just had a bottle today that was bottled off the keg at the same time as the ones that were judged. At this point the beer is over 6 months old and over 2 months in the bottle. I would think any kind of contamination would be growing in prominence, but everything seems pretty much the same to me. I also still have some in the keg and it tastes pretty much the same as the bottle (though I'm starting to pick up some faint sweetness in the bottle that I'd chalk up to early signs of oxidation).


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I was going to ask if this was a repitch for that 833 strain?  I only ask, becuase last year I brewed a series of lagers in a row and by the last one (#6 with the same strain repitched) judges had noted some "strawberry esters" in the last brew (happened to be a marzen too).

Was thinking that maybe you took the strain out to too many repitches and mutations may have gotten the better of it. Just a thought....
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: blair.streit on May 01, 2017, 03:46:35 PM
I was going to ask if this was a repitch for that 833 strain?  I only ask, becuase last year I brewed a series of lagers in a row and by the last one (#6 with the same strain repitched) judges had noted some "strawberry esters" in the last brew (happened to be a marzen too).

Was thinking that maybe you took the strain out to too many repitches and mutations may have gotten the better of it. Just a thought....
Wow, that's an interesting idea. I do repitch 833 quite a bit, but in this particular case it wasn't. Generally I make a 1L starter with 2 packs, then pitch that into Marzen or Vienna Lager (down in the 1.050 OG range). My repitches usually come after that and go into my Dunkles Bock and/or Baltic Porter. There's enough going on in those beers that if I were getting a slight ester contribution from repitching I probably wouldn't notice it.

I know you were probably talking about more generations than that anyway, but it's a really interesting point. I assume there are all kinds of factors that might come into play through successive repitches (i.e. yeast health/nutrition, oxygenation, mutation, etc).
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dsmitch19 on May 02, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
So, before sharing the recipe or anything else, I'm curious about your thoughts on the banana just from this feeedback? Is this where I should focus, or based on the details below do you feel I'm over-emphasizing this one bit of the feedback?

For me, I'd want a larger sample size of opinions if two judges independently perceived a character I wasn't getting in my beer. Sometimes, one judge might mention "hey, are you getting banana?" and the other might start perceiving that through the power of suggestion. They could be overly sensitive to that ester or just had the perception of it. With a score of 38, I wouldn't go changing anything until you get some more opinions and more judges/people also finding banana or other esters too strong for a lager.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: blair.streit on May 02, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
For me, I'd want a larger sample size of opinions if two judges independently perceived a character I wasn't getting in my beer. Sometimes, one judge might mention "hey, are you getting banana?" and the other might start perceiving that through the power of suggestion. They could be overly sensitive to that ester or just had the perception of it. With a score of 38, I wouldn't go changing anything until you get some more opinions and more judges/people also finding banana or other esters too strong for a lager.
Thanks. Yeah I've got a bit of it left so I'm going to try and get some opinions from some trusted palates (before showing them the sheets) and see if anyone else picks it up. The fact that it's only being cited in the aroma suggests to me that whatever they were picking up on is pretty subtle.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: wv_brewer on May 04, 2017, 02:28:05 PM
Has anyone received the post-competition packages that were supposed to be available yesterday?

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Andy Farke on May 04, 2017, 03:51:41 PM
Has anyone received the post-competition packages that were supposed to be available yesterday?

I haven't seen anything here (I was in the San Diego prelims, but didn't medal)...hopefully we'll have an email if things are delayed? [I'm OK if the packages have to be pushed back due to sheer volume, but hope to know if I should or shouldn't obsessively hit "refresh" on the "My Info & Entries" page!]
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on May 04, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
Has anyone received the post-competition packages that were supposed to be available yesterday?

I haven't seen anything here (I was in the San Diego prelims, but didn't medal)...hopefully we'll have an email if things are delayed? [I'm OK if the packages have to be pushed back due to sheer volume, but hope to know if I should or shouldn't obsessively hit "refresh" on the "My Info & Entries" page!]

Nope, nothing yet.  I laughed when I saw your post - I'm obsessively hitting refresh too.  Also still waiting for San Diego scoresheets. 
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: metron-brewer on May 04, 2017, 03:59:15 PM
Has anyone received the post-competition packages that were supposed to be available yesterday?

I haven't seen anything here (I was in the San Diego prelims, but didn't medal)...hopefully we'll have an email if things are delayed? [I'm OK if the packages have to be pushed back due to sheer volume, but hope to know if I should or shouldn't obsessively hit "refresh" on the "My Info & Entries" page!]

According to the "Post First Round" info it looks like they are targeting May 5.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Andy Farke on May 04, 2017, 04:16:38 PM
According to the "Post First Round" info it looks like they are targeting May 5.

It is listed as May 3 in some places (e.g., https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/national-homebrew-competition/ and the email I received on April 27) and May 5 in others (e.g., https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/from-the-director/post-first-round-judging-final-round/).

No matter what, I will continue to speculate endlessly with minimal data, because hey, why not... :-)
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on May 04, 2017, 06:23:20 PM
My online package just posted - 41 for my best bitter, 34.5 for my blonde.  I'm thrilled!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Andy Farke on May 04, 2017, 06:33:35 PM
33.5 for my Munich Helles (first time entering to competition), 30 for my German Pils (which was probably a little past prime anyhow, and scored better in an earlier competition), and 40 (including entry into the mini-Best-of-Show!) for my oatmeal stout. Absolutely thrilled with this, too, even if I didn't medal!
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: wv_brewer on May 04, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
Thanks guys.  Just looked at mine.  36 for APA, 38 for American Porter - mini BOS but no ribbon and 41 for Specialty IPA with 1st place.  Very happy with my scores.

Good luck to everyone in the finals.

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 04, 2017, 09:22:37 PM
Congrats to you all for some great entries.  As is sometimes the case, I advanced with a 37 for a light lager in second place and lost out in miniBos with a 39.5 on a Czech Dark Lager.  But I know the competition was steep in light of the winners in my region (perennial high placers in NHC), so that is perfectly fine.  My third entry must not have held up very well - it got an 18, so something bad developed as it sat at the competition-end for about 8 weeks.  No complaints here, though - everybody had the same situation. 

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on May 04, 2017, 09:57:22 PM
Congrats to you all for some great entries.  As is sometimes the case, I advanced with a 37 for a light lager in second place and lost out in miniBos with a 39.5 on a Czech Dark Lager.  But I know the competition was steep in light of the winners in my region (perennial high placers in NHC), so that is perfectly fine.  My third entry must not have held up very well - it got an 18, so something bad developed as it sat at the competition-end for about 8 weeks.  No complaints here, though - everybody had the same situation.

Congrats and good luck to everyone!

I just noticed my blonde made mini-BoS but didn't advance, whereas my other beer ended up taking first.  Could somebody explain to me a little more about how mini-BoS works?  I think I understand the basic idea, but I'd like to hear more from someone with some firsthand knowledge. 

EDIT - San Diego score sheets arrived today
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 04, 2017, 10:28:02 PM
A category will have several judge pairs in a big competition. The Judge pair goes through the beers, and if they think there are some worthy of going to the second round they push those to mini-BoS. The beers selected go against the beers the other judge pairs selected. This puts the selected beers in a head to head tasting, which can equalize judge pairs that were strict or lenient in the scores. The beers have been judged, so no scores assigned, any defects picked up result in the beers being kicked out of the running (this is where the second bottle is used, and sometimes it has a problem). Style accuracy is a big factor. Eventually the final 3 are up for 1,2,3, and those are discussed and they are assigned places based on the judges impressions.

The judges that are in the mini-BoS are usually the ranking judges for the category that session. At the NHC you get GM, Master, National, sometimes Certified doing the mini-BoS.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: coolman26 on May 04, 2017, 10:43:55 PM
A category will have several judge pairs in a big competition. The Judge pair goes through the beers, and if they think there are some worthy of going to the second round they push those to mini-BoS. The beers selected go against the beers the other judge pairs selected. This puts the selected beers in a head to head tasting, which can equalize judge pairs that were strict or lenient in the scores. The beers have been judged, so no scores assigned, any defects picked up result in the beers being kicked out of the running (this is where the second bottle is used, and sometimes it has a problem). Style accuracy is a big factor. Eventually the final 3 are up for 1,2,3, and those are discussed and they are assigned places based on the judges impressions.

The judges that are in the mini-BoS are usually the ranking judges for the category that session. At the NHC you get GM, Master, National, sometimes Certified doing the mini-BoS.
All in all, there is no other comp that gives Brewers the feedback from so many ranking judges. Most comps have one rank, and novice in training, understandably. I think the NHC does an outstanding job, for the most part, getting it right. Many thanks to all the judges that judge. The competition is stiff, and the Mini BOS is a great way to get there. Even though most of mine got the mini-BOS kick in the cojones, I do think you all do a great job. Thanks


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on May 04, 2017, 10:49:53 PM
A category will have several judge pairs in a big competition. The Judge pair goes through the beers, and if they think there are some worthy of going to the second round they push those to mini-BoS. The beers selected go against the beers the other judge pairs selected. This puts the selected beers in a head to head tasting, which can equalize judge pairs that were strict or lenient in the scores. The beers have been judged, so no scores assigned, any defects picked up result in the beers being kicked out of the running (this is where the second bottle is used, and sometimes it has a problem). Style accuracy is a big factor. Eventually the final 3 are up for 1,2,3, and those are discussed and they are assigned places based on the judges impressions.

The judges that are in the mini-BoS are usually the ranking judges for the category that session. At the NHC you get GM, Master, National, sometimes Certified doing the mini-BoS.

Thank you!  That really helped me get my head around the process.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: JWM1484 on May 05, 2017, 02:42:48 AM
Any one having problems logging into the finals website?

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: Badgerhead on May 05, 2017, 03:40:49 AM
Any one having problems logging into the finals website?

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The email I got said that they are still working on the Finals website, and that it will be ready by Monday the 8th.  It has been in flux all day - earlier it still had the 2016 info.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 05, 2017, 10:40:49 AM
Yea, I couldn't print labels yet for the finals, so it must be in transition still.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: scook13339 on May 09, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
It is now Tuesday Morning on May 9 and I still can't get into the final's site. It won't even let me log in and when I try to reset password it doesn't recognize me at all. Is anyone getting in?
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on May 09, 2017, 02:50:56 PM
how about one day extension of the deadline for shipping to June 2?
Gives people a much better chance to ship after the three-day holiday weekend and still get it there.

Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: theDarkSide on May 09, 2017, 02:56:38 PM
Just received another email that they are still working on the site.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 09, 2017, 05:37:34 PM
how about one day extension of the deadline for shipping to June 2?
Gives people a much better chance to ship after the three-day holiday weekend and still get it there.



Agreed -- The timing of the deliveries is particularly problematic this year, due to the Memorial Day weekend - if you want to send them as close as possible to the end of the entry period, either you send the entries in mid-week the week before (and hope for the best in terms of receipt on 5-26 and cold storage prior to Memorial Day weekend) or let them sit in transit (who knows where) over Memorial Day weekend for delivery on or after 5-29, or hope that they can be sent on 5-29 for delivery on 6-1 (with no delivery glitches).  Or you RDWHAHB and send them early and live with the handling and storage on the other end...I may just opt for the latter and hope for the best, despite not re-brewing my entries.  Hey, I'm just happy to be advancing a beer at this point.

 
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: wv_brewer on May 09, 2017, 07:20:34 PM
I'm still waiting on my score sheets from Chicago.  Has anyone received them yet?

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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: lupulus on May 10, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
Making sure website is not working, despite email sent on Monday, May 8.
I cannot login. Prompt states "Sorry, there was a problem with your last login attempt. Please make sure your email address and password are correct." but it does work in the Regional site.
BTW - password reset does not work either....

Anybody knows...
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: metron-brewer on May 10, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
Making sure website is not working, despite email sent on Monday, May 8.
I cannot login. Prompt states "Sorry, there was a problem with your last login attempt. Please make sure your email address and password are correct." but it does work in the Regional site.
BTW - password reset does not work either....

Anybody knows...
The last email I received yesterday 05-09, indicated they would let me know when site was up and running.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on May 22, 2017, 02:12:23 PM
how about one day extension of the deadline for shipping to June 2?
Gives people a much better chance to ship after the three-day holiday weekend and still get it there.


Agreed -- The timing of the deliveries is particularly problematic this year, due to the Memorial Day weekend - if you want to send them as close as possible to the end of the entry period, either you send the entries in mid-week the week before (and hope for the best in terms of receipt on 5-26 and cold storage prior to Memorial Day weekend) or let them sit in transit (who knows where) over Memorial Day weekend for delivery on or after 5-29, or hope that they can be sent on 5-29 for delivery on 6-1 (with no delivery glitches).  Or you RDWHAHB and send them early and live with the handling and storage on the other end...I may just opt for the latter and hope for the best, despite not re-brewing my entries.  Hey, I'm just happy to be advancing a beer at this point.

 

entry deadline now says June 2nd, so if John was reading what we said, thanks.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: macbrews on May 22, 2017, 06:07:39 PM
Michael, where did you see that?  The "dates and deadlines" page still shows June 1st as the final day.


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Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on May 23, 2017, 03:03:17 AM
Michael, where did you see that?  The "dates and deadlines" page still shows June 1st as the final day.


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Mac,
Yeah the "instructions" on my entry page still says Baltimore, but the Entry Info Tab says:

"Entry Window
Time your shipment to arrive between May 19 and June 2nd. This timing is very important. Late entries may be disqualified."
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 23, 2017, 11:36:06 AM
Michael, where did you see that?  The "dates and deadlines" page still shows June 1st as the final day.


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Mac,
Yeah the "instructions" on my entry page still says Baltimore, but the Entry Info Tab says:

"Entry Window
Time your shipment to arrive between May 19 and June 2nd. This timing is very important. Late entries may be disqualified."

Could that be last year's site?  I just received an email with June 1 as the last day for receipt of entries....
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: udubdawg on May 23, 2017, 01:34:07 PM
Michael, where did you see that?  The "dates and deadlines" page still shows June 1st as the final day.


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Mac,
Yeah the "instructions" on my entry page still says Baltimore, but the Entry Info Tab says:

"Entry Window
Time your shipment to arrive between May 19 and June 2nd. This timing is very important. Late entries may be disqualified."

Could that be last year's site?  I just received an email with June 1 as the last day for receipt of entries....

Look, I'm shipping on Tuesday the 30th.  It'll get to Minn in about 36 hours.  But like everyone else I prefer to have that extra cushion day in case of weather delay.  And I strongly suspect they'll accept boxes that Friday no matter which is the official deadline.  They can do the math on the 3-day weekend as well as anyone.  Baltimore shipping range ended May 27th so this is actually better than it was.
Title: Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
Post by: dfisher on May 24, 2017, 12:28:05 PM
In the email for the final competition round site it says: "You may upload a Beer XML file instead of manually entering a recipe"

I have been clicking around the site looking for an upload spot, but so far I haven't seen anything.

Anyone know where you upload that at?

Thanks!