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Title: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 06, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Hey Vessi owners!

Please join our own forum where we can share and exchange ideas related to brewing with Vessi!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 06, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
First thing I notice, it's not easy to post pics here, too bad.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Stevie on March 06, 2017, 03:20:39 PM
Posting photos isn't too tough. It's a two step process as the photo needs to be hoasted someplace first There is a sticky thread in General.

It might be helpful to post a link to your forum.

How many Vessi owners are there?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: pete b on March 06, 2017, 04:14:08 PM
The easiest way to post a picture is to get the tapatalk app and take a picture with your device. Its as easy as sharing a photo via text or email that way.
The hosting thing is a pia, relatively speaking.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 06, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
I'm all in! Thanks Charles for your efforts!

Gary
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 07, 2017, 12:53:32 AM
So I asked this in the IGG page, but any advise on when should you cold crash? An should let the beer warm back up to age?

I let a batch ferment for 7 days and it hit the correct F.G. Then I removed sediment for a couple days in a row using the Sediment Removal System.  After a few days I lower the temp for a week and removed more sediment that fell out during the cold crash

Since I carbonated under pressure, it was ready to drink and I sampled a few.  They were pretty good, but still a little “green”.  Since the recipe says to leave in secondary for 3 weeks;  is it okay to age it cold, or should I warm it back up to let it age?

Sorry for the question, but cold crashing is new to me.  Normally I just transfer and let age in the secondary for awhile depending on the recipe before kegging and/or bottling.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 01:50:17 AM
Thank you for setting this up! Fellow Vessi owner here! Hows everyone enjoying theres?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 07, 2017, 02:05:13 AM
So I asked this in the IGG page, but any advise on when should you cold crash? An should let the beer warm back up to age?

 Since the recipe says to leave in secondary for 3 weeks;  is it okay to age it cold, or should I warm it back up to let it age?

Sorry for the question, but cold crashing is new to me.  Normally I just transfer and let age in the secondary for awhile depending on the recipe before kegging and/or bottling.

Good question.... I'll be waiting on that answer also.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 02:13:00 AM
So I asked this in the IGG page, but any advise on when should you cold crash? An should let the beer warm back up to age?

I let a batch ferment for 7 days and it hit the correct F.G. Then I removed sediment for a couple days in a row using the Sediment Removal System.  After a few days I lower the temp for a week and removed more sediment that fell out during the cold crash

Since I carbonated under pressure, it was ready to drink and I sampled a few.  They were pretty good, but still a little “green”.  Since the recipe says to leave in secondary for 3 weeks;  is it okay to age it cold, or should I warm it back up to let it age?

Sorry for the question, but cold crashing is new to me.  Normally I just transfer and let age in the secondary for awhile depending on the recipe before kegging and/or bottling.

So with my coffee stout that has just finished up it was to spend two weeks in primary and then x amount of time bottle conditioning. After I achieved my FG I cold crashed it, which is AMAZING, and it has since stayed at the serving temperature. I have noticed changes in the beer since it was first crashed and up till now. Changes for the better! Now I am no expert but I would say that in my own experience with this brew that it is still aging and maturing at the colder temperature.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 03:18:43 AM
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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 07, 2017, 11:00:01 AM
@Patrick & Charles.... Patrick, how long did it take you to reach your desired 'cold crash' temp? I'm wondering how that compares to Charles who was wondering if it wasn't taking too long to get down to 40 deg.... Gary
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 07, 2017, 01:13:41 PM
@Patrick & Charles.... Patrick, how long did it take you to reach your desired 'cold crash' temp? I'm wondering how that compares to Charles who was wondering if it wasn't taking too long to get down to 40 deg.... Gary

I didn't pay attention too close, but it probably took 24 hours to go from 68 down to 37 degrees.
Title: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 02:45:26 PM
@Patrick & Charles.... Patrick, how long did it take you to reach your desired 'cold crash' temp? I'm wondering how that compares to Charles who was wondering if it wasn't taking too long to get down to 40 deg.... Gary
I'd say about 24 hours. It is a very slow process by design, I assume. Why? No clue. You'll hear the compressor come on, the temperature will drop a few degrees, and then it will shut off and stay off for what seems like an eternity. It's like watching water boil so just walk away and it'll do its thing. HOWEVER, I did figure out a trick to force shorter cycles between the compressor turning on and off. Once the unit is showing that it has dropped a few degrees and the compressor has shut off you can turn the entire off, let it sit for a minute, and then turn it back on. The set temperature will remain at what you set it and the compressor will kick back on to drop it a few more degrees. Repeat that process and you can skip the cycles. Although this process probably shouldn't be done since it's not by design. 


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 02:48:31 PM
It's nice having this forum set up! Now for more owners to join. There's at least a hundred of us out there.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: aaronweiser on March 07, 2017, 06:14:53 PM
Hi guys - thanks for setting up this thread! I'm just crashing my first batch now so I'm very excited to hear the progress of others.

In reference to the aging question, my goal is to keg each batch after crashing/fining and let it age in cold storage until it's ready. If you didn't have kegging equipment, I would predict a 7-21 day maturation phase would improve the flavor overall, at serving temps would be fine or in the 40's.

I do have a question for anyone who was fermenting under pressure, did you have any issues with your SRS when you dropped sediment? I reduced my pressure to 5-8 psi and when I ran the first couple of purges, the pressure gauge shot way back up and my SRS appeared to be leaking around the sightglass. Startled me to say the least. No leaks and no issues pressurizing it all the way up to 1.5 bar during fermentation, only when I went to drop the yeast.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: denny on March 07, 2017, 06:22:52 PM
FYI, this is a Vessi thread, not a Vessi forum....
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 07, 2017, 07:27:01 PM
I had no such issues with the SRS, at least so far. I've only used it once on my first brew.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Hi Denny,
Is there a way to make this more of a forum versus a thread? It would probably work better as a forum so we could respond to specific posts versus the whole thread.
Is that something I could setup, or would it take a moderator? We may end up having a lot of users join and I'd like it to be a great experience.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 09:10:02 PM
So...about my Vessi and temperature, the folks from the labs actually emailed me directly. I think my Vessi may have an issue. It took 4 days to get to 41 degrees but from what I've seen here, thats not normal. Bob had talked about an algorithm about how the unit cycles and all that. Here is from an engineer:

From the performance tests we have done, the displayed temperature may continue to be 41.  However, that reading is just from one spot towards the bottom of the vessel.  The beer above that point is actually colder than that spot.  From the tests we have done, it all depends on the ambient temperature of the room the Vessi is in, the set point for temperature, the specific gravity of the beer, the alcohol content of the beer, and the amount of liquid in the vessel.  Our goal is to be +/- 2F at any place in the vessel to your set temperature.
 
It is normal for the unit to take more than 24 hours to get from 70 to 39.  Our algorithms for temperature control purposefully slow the cooling down to prevent over-chilling (and freezing) the upper section of the vessel while going from max temp to set temp.  For set temperatures at 46F and above, the unit will cool until it reaches the set temperature straight away with no delays, because we did not see over-chilling issues at that temperature set point.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
So I asked this in the IGG page, but any advise on when should you cold crash? An should let the beer warm back up to age?

I let a batch ferment for 7 days and it hit the correct F.G. Then I removed sediment for a couple days in a row using the Sediment Removal System.  After a few days I lower the temp for a week and removed more sediment that fell out during the cold crash

Since I carbonated under pressure, it was ready to drink and I sampled a few.  They were pretty good, but still a little “green”.  Since the recipe says to leave in secondary for 3 weeks;  is it okay to age it cold, or should I warm it back up to let it age?

Sorry for the question, but cold crashing is new to me.  Normally I just transfer and let age in the secondary for awhile depending on the recipe before kegging and/or bottling.

My guess would be that since you hit the FG, there is no point to warm it back up. I'd just let sit and age a little more, then drink.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: denny on March 07, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
Hi Denny,
Is there a way to make this more of a forum versus a thread? It would probably work better as a forum so we could respond to specific posts versus the whole thread.
Is that something I could setup, or would it take a moderator? We may end up having a lot of users join and I'd like it to be a great experience.

No, sorry.  Making a forum for a product would violate our "no advertising" rule.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
Hi guys - thanks for setting up this thread! I'm just crashing my first batch now so I'm very excited to hear the progress of others.

In reference to the aging question, my goal is to keg each batch after crashing/fining and let it age in cold storage until it's ready. If you didn't have kegging equipment, I would predict a 7-21 day maturation phase would improve the flavor overall, at serving temps would be fine or in the 40's.

I do have a question for anyone who was fermenting under pressure, did you have any issues with your SRS when you dropped sediment? I reduced my pressure to 5-8 psi and when I ran the first couple of purges, the pressure gauge shot way back up and my SRS appeared to be leaking around the sightglass. Startled me to say the least. No leaks and no issues pressurizing it all the way up to 1.5 bar during fermentation, only when I went to drop the yeast.

Cheers!
I read somewhere in the Vessi documentation that a little leaking from the sight glass is ok.
I'm not sure what you mean by the 1.5 bar though.
I keep my pressure knob in the off position when I use the SRS tool. Once done I just turn it to pressurize to bring the vessel back to 10 psi while fermenting.
Also, I leave my bubblier attached all the time just to make sure no co2 is leaking out with the pressure relief valve all the way closed. I had to re-seat it a couple of times to stop the leak.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 09:23:51 PM
Hi Denny,
Is there a way to make this more of a forum versus a thread? It would probably work better as a forum so we could respond to specific posts versus the whole thread.
Is that something I could setup, or would it take a moderator? We may end up having a lot of users join and I'd like it to be a great experience.

No, sorry.  Making a forum for a product would violate our "no advertising" rule.
Then a thread it stays! Thanks!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
The easiest way to post a picture is to get the tapatalk app and take a picture with your device. Its as easy as sharing a photo via text or email that way.
The hosting thing is a pia, relatively speaking.

Thanks for that tip! I'll be installing tapatalk shortly.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: aaronweiser on March 07, 2017, 09:56:46 PM
I read somewhere in the Vessi documentation that a little leaking from the sight glass is ok.
I'm not sure what you mean by the 1.5 bar though.
I keep my pressure knob in the off position when I use the SRS tool. Once done I just turn it to pressurize to bring the vessel back to 10 psi while fermenting.
Also, I leave my bubblier attached all the time just to make sure no co2 is leaking out with the pressure relief valve all the way closed. I had to re-seat it a couple of times to stop the leak.

Thanks for the reminder - I had anticipated leaking would occur from the bottom of the valve not from the sightglass. It almost seemed like beer was going to explode from the valve, which concerned me. I don't want to drop the pressure to zero as I'm trying to use as much of the natural CO2 as possible. The manual says to drop to somewhere between 5-8 PSI, I might try going lower next time to see what happens.

1.5 Bar is a pressure, just different units. If you look at your gauge underneath the PSI, you will see it is ~22 PSI. I wanted to use as much natural carbonation as possible, so that when I cold crash I can reach the volumes I want with little to no additional CO2. Using a handy Carbonation Chart you can tell fairly well how much you would need based on your fermentation temperatures.

I haven't had any issues with the seating of the pressure relief valve, but the liquid injection port seems to seep CO2 when I bubble through it. I can't seem to get it to not leak no matter how tight or loose I screw the cap on. I might try adding some of the Husky grease to the o-ring to seal it better.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 07, 2017, 10:01:48 PM
So...about my Vessi and temperature, the folks from the labs actually emailed me directly. I think my Vessi may have an issue. It took 4 days to get to 41 degrees but from what I've seen here, thats not normal. Bob had talked about an algorithm about how the unit cycles and all that. Here is from an engineer:

It is normal for the unit to take more than 24 hours to get from 70 to 39.  Our algorithms for temperature control purposefully slow the cooling down to prevent over-chilling (and freezing) the upper section of the vessel while going from max temp to set temp.  For set temperatures at 46F and above, the unit will cool until it reaches the set temperature straight away with no delays, because we did not see over-chilling issues at that temperature set point.

So it seems like if you set it to crash cool to 46 deg it would cool as fast as possible and then you could set it colder from that point?

Charles, I'm curious how your issue was or is being resolved as you think your unit has an issue. Do they think it has an issue?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 07, 2017, 10:13:47 PM
So...about my Vessi and temperature, the folks from the labs actually emailed me directly. I think my Vessi may have an issue. It took 4 days to get to 41 degrees but from what I've seen here, thats not normal. Bob had talked about an algorithm about how the unit cycles and all that. Here is from an engineer:

It is normal for the unit to take more than 24 hours to get from 70 to 39.  Our algorithms for temperature control purposefully slow the cooling down to prevent over-chilling (and freezing) the upper section of the vessel while going from max temp to set temp.  For set temperatures at 46F and above, the unit will cool until it reaches the set temperature straight away with no delays, because we did not see over-chilling issues at that temperature set point.

So it seems like if you set it to crash cool to 46 deg it would cool as fast as possible and then you could set it colder from that point?

Charles, I'm curious how your issue was or is being resolved as you think your unit has an issue. Do they think it has an issue?

Good question for sure. I'm not sure what to do at this point. I'm going to try what you said though, on my next batch. I'll set the temp to 46, and if it doesn't get there in a reasonable time I'll contact the folks again and see what next steps are. I just hate to deal with returning the device and all that. I love this device and not having to move around carboys, transfers, all the sterilizing and all that has been a blessing. At 41 degrees the beer is plenty cold enough for sure but if the device has an issue, it will be best dealt with soon.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 07, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
I'll be watching to see how it goes with your next batch. And in the meantime I'll be crash cooling my first batch in a couple days and will pay close attention to cooling rate. I'll post results when I get there.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 11:04:06 PM
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Awesome! Love it!


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 11:12:24 PM
I read somewhere in the Vessi documentation that a little leaking from the sight glass is ok.
I'm not sure what you mean by the 1.5 bar though.
I keep my pressure knob in the off position when I use the SRS tool. Once done I just turn it to pressurize to bring the vessel back to 10 psi while fermenting.
Also, I leave my bubblier attached all the time just to make sure no co2 is leaking out with the pressure relief valve all the way closed. I had to re-seat it a couple of times to stop the leak.

Thanks for the reminder - I had anticipated leaking would occur from the bottom of the valve not from the sightglass. It almost seemed like beer was going to explode from the valve, which concerned me. I don't want to drop the pressure to zero as I'm trying to use as much of the natural CO2 as possible. The manual says to drop to somewhere between 5-8 PSI, I might try going lower next time to see what happens.

1.5 Bar is a pressure, just different units. If you look at your gauge underneath the PSI, you will see it is ~22 PSI. I wanted to use as much natural carbonation as possible, so that when I cold crash I can reach the volumes I want with little to no additional CO2. Using a handy Carbonation Chart you can tell fairly well how much you would need based on your fermentation temperatures.

I haven't had any issues with the seating of the pressure relief valve, but the liquid injection port seems to seep CO2 when I bubble through it. I can't seem to get it to not leak no matter how tight or loose I screw the cap on. I might try adding some of the Husky grease to the o-ring to seal it better.
So far I've dropped my pressure down to between 5-8 PSI when using the SRS and have noticed once or twice the same thing around the sight glass. With my second brew though it didn't happen at all. It's probably just dependent on how you reassemble the SRS and how much grease is sued. I don't think it's a big though considering how much force is exerted when you crank the ball around, I'm sure it's built to operate this way. I noticed the same thing with the liquid injection port as well. Again no big deal to me since that's only used ever so often for a few seconds at a time.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2017, 11:21:17 PM
So...about my Vessi and temperature, the folks from the labs actually emailed me directly. I think my Vessi may have an issue. It took 4 days to get to 41 degrees but from what I've seen here, thats not normal. Bob had talked about an algorithm about how the unit cycles and all that. Here is from an engineer:

It is normal for the unit to take more than 24 hours to get from 70 to 39.  Our algorithms for temperature control purposefully slow the cooling down to prevent over-chilling (and freezing) the upper section of the vessel while going from max temp to set temp.  For set temperatures at 46F and above, the unit will cool until it reaches the set temperature straight away with no delays, because we did not see over-chilling issues at that temperature set point.

So it seems like if you set it to crash cool to 46 deg it would cool as fast as possible and then you could set it colder from that point?

Charles, I'm curious how your issue was or is being resolved as you think your unit has an issue. Do they think it has an issue?

Good question for sure. I'm not sure what to do at this point. I'm going to try what you said though, on my next batch. I'll set the temp to 46, and if it doesn't get there in a reasonable time I'll contact the folks again and see what next steps are. I just hate to deal with returning the device and all that. I love this device and not having to move around carboys, transfers, all the sterilizing and all that has been a blessing. At 41 degrees the beer is plenty cold enough for sure but if the device has an issue, it will be best dealt with soon.
My first unit wouldn't chill properly similar to yours. I went to crash my first batch and after 48 hours the compressor never once turned off and the temperature only dropped 5 degrees! Immediately knew something wasn't right. After a few emails back and forth they decided to exchange the unit. It took a few good weeks to finally hear anything about the replacement unit but I was in no rush since the unit still had a good beer in it. I had to go about some asinine way of chilling each pour but it wasn't a total loss. The exchange was easy enough as well. They had a semi-local Whirlpool salesman/repairman exchange the units. New unit is 100% working and is pouring a tasty coffee stout w/ vanilla. My only gripe at this point is that this regulator is SUPER sensitive compared to my first one.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 08, 2017, 01:19:58 AM
Ya, my regulator was super sensitive too. The reviews on Northern Brewer weren't the best for that regulator either.  Customer support for NB did say this though:
"We find that new regulators need a little bit of wearing in to help the diaphragm hold pressure as reliably as possible. Usually this takes a few uses and you can try increasing the pressure and purging the regulator by opening the red valve with nothing attached to try and loosen/dislodge any dust from manufacture."
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 08, 2017, 04:39:07 AM
Ya, my regulator was super sensitive too. The reviews on Northern Brewer weren't the best for that regulator either.  Customer support for NB did say this though:
"We find that new regulators need a little bit of wearing in to help the diaphragm hold pressure as reliably as possible. Usually this takes a few uses and you can try increasing the pressure and purging the regulator by opening the red valve with nothing attached to try and loosen/dislodge any dust from manufacture."
Oh cool! Well I'm glad to hear it's not a one off thing. Hopefully then over time it gets a little less sensitive.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 08, 2017, 12:37:02 PM
@Patrick & Charles.... Patrick, how long did it take you to reach your desired 'cold crash' temp? I'm wondering how that compares to Charles who was wondering if it wasn't taking too long to get down to 40 deg.... Gary
I'd say about 24 hours. It is a very slow process by design, I assume. Why? No clue. You'll hear the compressor come on, the temperature will drop a few degrees, and then it will shut off and stay off for what seems like an eternity. It's like watching water boil so just walk away and it'll do its thing. HOWEVER, I did figure out a trick to force shorter cycles between the compressor turning on and off. Once the unit is showing that it has dropped a few degrees and the compressor has shut off you can turn the entire off, let it sit for a minute, and then turn it back on. The set temperature will remain at what you set it and the compressor will kick back on to drop it a few more degrees. Repeat that process and you can skip the cycles. Although this process probably shouldn't be done since it's not by design. 


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Yesterday I tried that same idea Patrick except after I shut vessi off, I forgot to turn it back on so it sat off for 45 minutes. When I turned it back on it had gone from 41 degrees to 47 degrees, which I was surprised about. That kind of tells me that vessi isn't to well insulated. My house was 70 degrees so its not to warm in here, like it will be in the summer. The device slowly cycled all night and is down to just 42 degrees now. It's never been lower than 41 degrees as well. I'll contact Whirlpool and see what they think.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 08, 2017, 01:46:13 PM
@Patrick & Charles.... Patrick, how long did it take you to reach your desired 'cold crash' temp? I'm wondering how that compares to Charles who was wondering if it wasn't taking too long to get down to 40 deg.... Gary
I'd say about 24 hours. It is a very slow process by design, I assume. Why? No clue. You'll hear the compressor come on, the temperature will drop a few degrees, and then it will shut off and stay off for what seems like an eternity. It's like watching water boil so just walk away and it'll do its thing. HOWEVER, I did figure out a trick to force shorter cycles between the compressor turning on and off. Once the unit is showing that it has dropped a few degrees and the compressor has shut off you can turn the entire off, let it sit for a minute, and then turn it back on. The set temperature will remain at what you set it and the compressor will kick back on to drop it a few more degrees. Repeat that process and you can skip the cycles. Although this process probably shouldn't be done since it's not by design. 


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Yesterday I tried that same idea Patrick except after I shut vessi off, I forgot to turn it back on so it sat off for 45 minutes. When I turned it back on it had gone from 41 degrees to 47 degrees, which I was surprised about. That kind of tells me that vessi isn't to well insulated. My house was 70 degrees so its not to warm in here, like it will be in the summer. The device slowly cycled all night and is down to just 42 degrees now. It's never been lower than 41 degrees as well. I'll contact Whirlpool and see what they think.
Yeah just keep in touch with askbob@getvessi.com to figure out if it's indeed not right and will be exchanged.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 08, 2017, 02:07:09 PM
@Patrick & Charles.... Patrick, how long did it take you to reach your desired 'cold crash' temp? I'm wondering how that compares to Charles who was wondering if it wasn't taking too long to get down to 40 deg.... Gary
I'd say about 24 hours. It is a very slow process by design, I assume. Why? No clue. You'll hear the compressor come on, the temperature will drop a few degrees, and then it will shut off and stay off for what seems like an eternity. It's like watching water boil so just walk away and it'll do its thing. HOWEVER, I did figure out a trick to force shorter cycles between the compressor turning on and off. Once the unit is showing that it has dropped a few degrees and the compressor has shut off you can turn the entire off, let it sit for a minute, and then turn it back on. The set temperature will remain at what you set it and the compressor will kick back on to drop it a few more degrees. Repeat that process and you can skip the cycles. Although this process probably shouldn't be done since it's not by design. 


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Yesterday I tried that same idea Patrick except after I shut vessi off, I forgot to turn it back on so it sat off for 45 minutes. When I turned it back on it had gone from 41 degrees to 47 degrees, which I was surprised about. That kind of tells me that vessi isn't to well insulated. My house was 70 degrees so its not to warm in here, like it will be in the summer. The device slowly cycled all night and is down to just 42 degrees now. It's never been lower than 41 degrees as well. I'll contact Whirlpool and see what they think.
Yeah just keep in touch with askbob@getvessi.com to figure out if it's indeed not right and will be exchanged.


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I tried the cycling trick and now its at 40 degrees and will probably go lower if I keep doing that...
I emailed the Vessi folks and updated them with what I see and asked for next steps.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 08, 2017, 11:38:59 PM
I started cold crashing a batch and set it at 47 deg. It dropped from 75 deg to 47 in exactly 3 hours and then compressor turned off. I reset for 35 deg. and watching to see how quickly it drops to the set temp as now it's in that 'probably going to cycle on and off' stage of the cooling algorithm.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 09, 2017, 01:57:48 AM
I started cold crashing a batch and set it at 47 deg. It dropped from 75 deg to 47 in exactly 3 hours and then compressor turned off. I reset for 35 deg. and watching to see how quickly it drops to the set temp as now it's in that 'probably going to cycle on and off' stage of the cooling algorithm.
Very good to know, thank you!. I did the power cycle trick a couple times today and my vessi went to 38 degrees. That's where I have it set now and it's maintained temperature all day, cycling as needed. Not sure if I should persure replacement yet, and may wait until my next batch of beer to see.

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 09, 2017, 02:03:13 AM
I only rebooted it once after it reached the 47 deg setpoint. Since then it seems to be dropping about 2 deg/hr and is now at 42 deg. I'll leave it run it's course and by all accounts it should reach the current setpoint of 35 deg by the time I roll out in the morning.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on March 09, 2017, 02:45:40 AM
 I was one of the eary bird purchaser that still have not received their Vessi yet. Seems like a few of the Vessi are having the same problems with cold cashing to the proper temp. I sure hope they will render this problem when mine comes in. I will keep y'all posted. Looking forward to sharing brewing ideas and recipes.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 09, 2017, 11:36:26 AM
I only rebooted it once after it reached the 47 deg setpoint. Since then it seems to be dropping about 2 deg/hr and is now at 42 deg. I'll leave it run it's course and by all accounts it should reach the current setpoint of 35 deg by the time I roll out in the morning.
It's right at 35 deg at 6 this morning, so it seems mine is  functioning as expected :).
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 09, 2017, 12:12:44 PM
Nice! Well mine didn't do great. After mine being at 38 all day, last night I changed the set point to 35 and this morning it's still 38. It's like this device won't change temp unless I reboot it, but yet it will hold temp all day long. So it's probably going back, bummer.

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 09, 2017, 01:14:31 PM
Bummer CJ.... hope it all sorts out in the end.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
I was one of the eary bird purchaser that still have not received their Vessi yet. Seems like a few of the Vessi are having the same problems with cold cashing to the proper temp. I sure hope they will render this problem when mine comes in. I will keep y'all posted. Looking forward to sharing brewing ideas and recipes.
Welcome to the conversation! I was one of the first 10 backers myself and have had the unit for a few months now. Let us know when you get yours and feel free to ask any questions you may have! I've made two beers with it so far.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on March 10, 2017, 03:30:31 AM
Has anyone received their bottler yet. If so does it function well?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 10, 2017, 03:50:43 PM
Just looking for a little input from those that are drinking a completed Vessi brew. Curious what you may have brewed and how long was it in the Vessi before you found it drinkable. I just tasted a bit of my cider (1st ever cider and 1st Vessi brew) and after 30+ hr. cold crash to 35 deg it's still relatively cloudy and yeasty tasting. I'm certainly not expecting a fully aged cider at this point (2 weeks in) and cloudy doesn't bother me as long as it's not yeast still in suspension. I may have to use something to drop the yeast further. It started at 1.062 and finished at 1.000 so it's relatively dry and I had to back sweeten with 2 cans frozen concentrate.

On another note, I haven't sorted out how the brew in the vessel gets to the dispensing tap. I haven't looked real close inside but I hadn't noticed a port anywhere near the bottom.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: aaronweiser on March 10, 2017, 04:02:19 PM
Just looking for a little input from those that are drinking a completed Vessi brew. Curious what you may have brewed and how long was it in the Vessi before you found it drinkable. I just tasted a bit of my cider (1st ever cider and 1st Vessi brew) and after 30+ hr. cold crash to 35 deg it's still relatively cloudy and yeasty tasting. I'm certainly not expecting a fully aged cider at this point (2 weeks in) and cloudy doesn't bother me as long as it's not yeast still in suspension. I may have to use something to drop the yeast further. It started at 1.062 and finished at 1.000 so it's relatively dry and I had to back sweeten with 2 cans frozen concentrate.

On another note, I haven't sorted out how the brew in the vessel gets to the dispensing tap. I haven't looked real close inside but I hadn't noticed a port anywhere near the bottom.

There is a port, just above where the tri clamp fitting is at the bottom. Easy to miss, it looks just like the CO2 outlet at the top, slightly rounded. The vessel only leaves a few inches of liquid in it which is a nice feature when cleaning.

From what I can tell looking in the back of the machine, there must be push fit tubing or bev tubing like the CO2 runs on and a tee valve to split the liquid to either the kegging/bottling port or to the tap. I didn't feel adventurous enough to take apart the machine housing and look through it yet.  ;)

I have just completed a pale lager for my first brew, and my experience is much the same as yours. I have dumped yeast twice but still have a hazy, slightly yeasty brew at 12 days post-pitch. I think I will try filtering, but you could also try gelatin or the like to drop the yeast. It will naturally clear, generally, within two or so weeks of conditioning time. I plan to keg mine so I can start the next batch - so I will let it clear and mature and get my Cider started!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 10, 2017, 04:17:51 PM
Thanks Aaron.... we're about on the same page. I plan on kegging my cider once it clears up and then going onto batch #2 of something tasty! Post your cider experience.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 10, 2017, 04:20:22 PM
Just looking for a little input from those that are drinking a completed Vessi brew. Curious what you may have brewed and how long was it in the Vessi before you found it drinkable. I just tasted a bit of my cider (1st ever cider and 1st Vessi brew) and after 30+ hr. cold crash to 35 deg it's still relatively cloudy and yeasty tasting. I'm certainly not expecting a fully aged cider at this point (2 weeks in) and cloudy doesn't bother me as long as it's not yeast still in suspension. I may have to use something to drop the yeast further. It started at 1.062 and finished at 1.000 so it's relatively dry and I had to back sweeten with 2 cans frozen concentrate.

On another note, I haven't sorted out how the brew in the vessel gets to the dispensing tap. I haven't looked real close inside but I hadn't noticed a port anywhere near the bottom.

There is a port, just above where the tri clamp fitting is at the bottom. Easy to miss, it looks just like the CO2 outlet at the top, slightly rounded. The vessel only leaves a few inches of liquid in it which is a nice feature when cleaning.

From what I can tell looking in the back of the machine, there must be push fit tubing or bev tubing like the CO2 runs on and a tee valve to split the liquid to either the kegging/bottling port or to the tap. I didn't feel adventurous enough to take apart the machine housing and look through it yet.  ;)

I have just completed a pale lager for my first brew, and my experience is much the same as yours. I have dumped yeast twice but still have a hazy, slightly yeasty brew at 12 days post-pitch. I think I will try filtering, but you could also try gelatin or the like to drop the yeast. It will naturally clear, generally, within two or so weeks of conditioning time. I plan to keg mine so I can start the next batch - so I will let it clear and mature and get my Cider started!
I'm drinking an IPA that I started almost a month ago. I dry hopped it a week ago as well. I purged the vessel probably 6 times since the bubblier stopped and after dry hopping. The beer is really good, and just lightly hazy. I love how the Vessi pours as well. I have a 2 tap kegerator and it doesn't pour nearly as nice.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 10, 2017, 04:29:15 PM
Just looking for a little input from those that are drinking a completed Vessi brew. Curious what you may have brewed and how long was it in the Vessi before you found it drinkable. I just tasted a bit of my cider (1st ever cider and 1st Vessi brew) and after 30+ hr. cold crash to 35 deg it's still relatively cloudy and yeasty tasting. I'm certainly not expecting a fully aged cider at this point (2 weeks in) and cloudy doesn't bother me as long as it's not yeast still in suspension. I may have to use something to drop the yeast further. It started at 1.062 and finished at 1.000 so it's relatively dry and I had to back sweeten with 2 cans frozen concentrate.

On another note, I haven't sorted out how the brew in the vessel gets to the dispensing tap. I haven't looked real close inside but I hadn't noticed a port anywhere near the bottom.

There is a port, just above where the tri clamp fitting is at the bottom. Easy to miss, it looks just like the CO2 outlet at the top, slightly rounded. The vessel only leaves a few inches of liquid in it which is a nice feature when cleaning.

From what I can tell looking in the back of the machine, there must be push fit tubing or bev tubing like the CO2 runs on and a tee valve to split the liquid to either the kegging/bottling port or to the tap. I didn't feel adventurous enough to take apart the machine housing and look through it yet.  ;)

I have just completed a pale lager for my first brew, and my experience is much the same as yours. I have dumped yeast twice but still have a hazy, slightly yeasty brew at 12 days post-pitch. I think I will try filtering, but you could also try gelatin or the like to drop the yeast. It will naturally clear, generally, within two or so weeks of conditioning time. I plan to keg mine so I can start the next batch - so I will let it clear and mature and get my Cider started!
I'm drinking an IPA that I started almost a month ago. I dry hopped it a week ago as well. I purged the vessel probably 6 times since the bubblier stopped and after dry hopping. The beer is really good, and just lightly hazy. I love how the Vessi pours as well. I have a 2 tap kegerator and it doesn't pour nearly as nice.

It's been 12-15 years since I've brewed (Vessi has reawakened me!) and I forgot a lot. I've dry hopped before but can't recall specifics. How did you dry hop with the Vessi? Anything different about the process?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 10, 2017, 04:48:21 PM
Just looking for a little input from those that are drinking a completed Vessi brew. Curious what you may have brewed and how long was it in the Vessi before you found it drinkable. I just tasted a bit of my cider (1st ever cider and 1st Vessi brew) and after 30+ hr. cold crash to 35 deg it's still relatively cloudy and yeasty tasting. I'm certainly not expecting a fully aged cider at this point (2 weeks in) and cloudy doesn't bother me as long as it's not yeast still in suspension. I may have to use something to drop the yeast further. It started at 1.062 and finished at 1.000 so it's relatively dry and I had to back sweeten with 2 cans frozen concentrate.

On another note, I haven't sorted out how the brew in the vessel gets to the dispensing tap. I haven't looked real close inside but I hadn't noticed a port anywhere near the bottom.

There is a port, just above where the tri clamp fitting is at the bottom. Easy to miss, it looks just like the CO2 outlet at the top, slightly rounded. The vessel only leaves a few inches of liquid in it which is a nice feature when cleaning.

From what I can tell looking in the back of the machine, there must be push fit tubing or bev tubing like the CO2 runs on and a tee valve to split the liquid to either the kegging/bottling port or to the tap. I didn't feel adventurous enough to take apart the machine housing and look through it yet.  ;)

I have just completed a pale lager for my first brew, and my experience is much the same as yours. I have dumped yeast twice but still have a hazy, slightly yeasty brew at 12 days post-pitch. I think I will try filtering, but you could also try gelatin or the like to drop the yeast. It will naturally clear, generally, within two or so weeks of conditioning time. I plan to keg mine so I can start the next batch - so I will let it clear and mature and get my Cider started!
I'm drinking an IPA that I started almost a month ago. I dry hopped it a week ago as well. I purged the vessel probably 6 times since the bubblier stopped and after dry hopping. The beer is really good, and just lightly hazy. I love how the Vessi pours as well. I have a 2 tap kegerator and it doesn't pour nearly as nice.

It's been 12-15 years since I've brewed (Vessi has reawakened me!) and I forgot a lot. I've dry hopped before but can't recall specifics. How did you dry hop with the Vessi? Anything different about the process?
I just waited until fermentation seemed done, then released the pressure in the tank and removed the big cover and added the dry hops. I waited around 4 days and then started purging the hops that had settled. I purged around 3-4 times after that, until the sight glass showed clear brown.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 10, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
Just looking for a little input from those that are drinking a completed Vessi brew. Curious what you may have brewed and how long was it in the Vessi before you found it drinkable. I just tasted a bit of my cider (1st ever cider and 1st Vessi brew) and after 30+ hr. cold crash to 35 deg it's still relatively cloudy and yeasty tasting. I'm certainly not expecting a fully aged cider at this point (2 weeks in) and cloudy doesn't bother me as long as it's not yeast still in suspension. I may have to use something to drop the yeast further. It started at 1.062 and finished at 1.000 so it's relatively dry and I had to back sweeten with 2 cans frozen concentrate.

On another note, I haven't sorted out how the brew in the vessel gets to the dispensing tap. I haven't looked real close inside but I hadn't noticed a port anywhere near the bottom.

There is a port, just above where the tri clamp fitting is at the bottom. Easy to miss, it looks just like the CO2 outlet at the top, slightly rounded. The vessel only leaves a few inches of liquid in it which is a nice feature when cleaning.

From what I can tell looking in the back of the machine, there must be push fit tubing or bev tubing like the CO2 runs on and a tee valve to split the liquid to either the kegging/bottling port or to the tap. I didn't feel adventurous enough to take apart the machine housing and look through it yet.  ;)

I have just completed a pale lager for my first brew, and my experience is much the same as yours. I have dumped yeast twice but still have a hazy, slightly yeasty brew at 12 days post-pitch. I think I will try filtering, but you could also try gelatin or the like to drop the yeast. It will naturally clear, generally, within two or so weeks of conditioning time. I plan to keg mine so I can start the next batch - so I will let it clear and mature and get my Cider started!
I'm drinking an IPA that I started almost a month ago. I dry hopped it a week ago as well. I purged the vessel probably 6 times since the bubblier stopped and after dry hopping. The beer is really good, and just lightly hazy. I love how the Vessi pours as well. I have a 2 tap kegerator and it doesn't pour nearly as nice.

It's been 12-15 years since I've brewed (Vessi has reawakened me!) and I forgot a lot. I've dry hopped before but can't recall specifics. How did you dry hop with the Vessi? Anything different about the process?
I just waited until fermentation seemed done, then released the pressure in the tank and removed the big cover and added the dry hops. I waited around 4 days and then started purging the hops that had settled. I purged around 3-4 times after that, until the sight glass showed clear brown.

Did you use whole or pellet hops?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 10, 2017, 05:47:40 PM
Just looking for a little input from those that are drinking a completed Vessi brew. Curious what you may have brewed and how long was it in the Vessi before you found it drinkable. I just tasted a bit of my cider (1st ever cider and 1st Vessi brew) and after 30+ hr. cold crash to 35 deg it's still relatively cloudy and yeasty tasting. I'm certainly not expecting a fully aged cider at this point (2 weeks in) and cloudy doesn't bother me as long as it's not yeast still in suspension. I may have to use something to drop the yeast further. It started at 1.062 and finished at 1.000 so it's relatively dry and I had to back sweeten with 2 cans frozen concentrate.

On another note, I haven't sorted out how the brew in the vessel gets to the dispensing tap. I haven't looked real close inside but I hadn't noticed a port anywhere near the bottom.

There is a port, just above where the tri clamp fitting is at the bottom. Easy to miss, it looks just like the CO2 outlet at the top, slightly rounded. The vessel only leaves a few inches of liquid in it which is a nice feature when cleaning.

From what I can tell looking in the back of the machine, there must be push fit tubing or bev tubing like the CO2 runs on and a tee valve to split the liquid to either the kegging/bottling port or to the tap. I didn't feel adventurous enough to take apart the machine housing and look through it yet.  ;)

I have just completed a pale lager for my first brew, and my experience is much the same as yours. I have dumped yeast twice but still have a hazy, slightly yeasty brew at 12 days post-pitch. I think I will try filtering, but you could also try gelatin or the like to drop the yeast. It will naturally clear, generally, within two or so weeks of conditioning time. I plan to keg mine so I can start the next batch - so I will let it clear and mature and get my Cider started!
I'm drinking an IPA that I started almost a month ago. I dry hopped it a week ago as well. I purged the vessel probably 6 times since the bubblier stopped and after dry hopping. The beer is really good, and just lightly hazy. I love how the Vessi pours as well. I have a 2 tap kegerator and it doesn't pour nearly as nice.

It's been 12-15 years since I've brewed (Vessi has reawakened me!) and I forgot a lot. I've dry hopped before but can't recall specifics. How did you dry hop with the Vessi? Anything different about the process?
I just waited until fermentation seemed done, then released the pressure in the tank and removed the big cover and added the dry hops. I waited around 4 days and then started purging the hops that had settled. I purged around 3-4 times after that, until the sight glass showed clear brown.

Did you use whole or pellet hops?
I used pellets but do grow hops too and use them in a hop back device for flavoring at the end of a boil. I probably won't dry hop with whole hops in Vessi. I'd be scared the input hole to the tap would clog and that would be a mess.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 10, 2017, 11:03:57 PM
Sipping on my fresh squeeze iPa, tasty!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170310/567069270c0f7f9decce7ee6c6b52959.jpg)

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 10, 2017, 11:07:58 PM
Sipping on my fresh squeeze iPa, tasty!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170310/567069270c0f7f9decce7ee6c6b52959.jpg)

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Clone that is, lol!

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2017, 12:45:05 AM
Sipping on my fresh squeeze iPa, tasty!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170310/567069270c0f7f9decce7ee6c6b52959.jpg)

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on March 11, 2017, 03:30:26 AM
Looks nice a good color and clear. How often did you have to remove the sediment? Did you do extract or all grain?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 11, 2017, 01:21:47 PM
Looks nice a good color and clear. How often did you have to remove the sediment? Did you do extract or all grain?
Thanks! When I move the wort from the kettle to Vessi, I use a stainless steel strainer to trap a lot of the trub. After fermentation I used the SRS a couple times a day for 4 days or so. I just rely on the site glass and purge until that comes back clean.
I've been brewing for around 1.5 years but on my third batch of beer, I went directly to all grain. I buy the grain in bulk and mill it at home with a corona mill. I went right to kegging as well, versus bottling not long after I went to all grain.
My next goal is to have a dedicated area for brewing versus using my kitchen...hoping to build a pole barn this spring for that.
I have a few friends that wanted to get into all grain so I made a youtube video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndcZLR-x6xM&t=2340s
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 11, 2017, 01:26:48 PM
Sipping on my fresh squeeze iPa, tasty!

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Thanks!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 11, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
@Patrick & Charles.... Patrick, how long did it take you to reach your desired 'cold crash' temp? I'm wondering how that compares to Charles who was wondering if it wasn't taking too long to get down to 40 deg.... Gary
I'd say about 24 hours. It is a very slow process by design, I assume. Why? No clue. You'll hear the compressor come on, the temperature will drop a few degrees, and then it will shut off and stay off for what seems like an eternity. It's like watching water boil so just walk away and it'll do its thing. HOWEVER, I did figure out a trick to force shorter cycles between the compressor turning on and off. Once the unit is showing that it has dropped a few degrees and the compressor has shut off you can turn the entire off, let it sit for a minute, and then turn it back on. The set temperature will remain at what you set it and the compressor will kick back on to drop it a few more degrees. Repeat that process and you can skip the cycles. Although this process probably shouldn't be done since it's not by design. 


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Yesterday I tried that same idea Patrick except after I shut vessi off, I forgot to turn it back on so it sat off for 45 minutes. When I turned it back on it had gone from 41 degrees to 47 degrees, which I was surprised about. That kind of tells me that vessi isn't to well insulated. My house was 70 degrees so its not to warm in here, like it will be in the summer. The device slowly cycled all night and is down to just 42 degrees now. It's never been lower than 41 degrees as well. I'll contact Whirlpool and see what they think.
Yeah just keep in touch with askbob@getvessi.com to figure out if it's indeed not right and will be exchanged.


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Just as an update to my temperature control issue..all day Friday I messed with the temp. I'd let the unit rise to above 40, then turn it down to 35...and it worked like a champ. I raised and lowered the temp every few hours and the unit followed the set point like a lost puppy! So, not sure if this unit is bad or was just "breaking" in, lol.  I'll be sure to keep an eye on it and I think the next batch will determine if the unit is bad or not. It's holding steady at 35 degrees now and acts perfectly normal.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
Looks nice a good color and clear. How often did you have to remove the sediment? Did you do extract or all grain?
Thanks! When I move the wort from the kettle to Vessi, I use a stainless steel strainer to trap a lot of the trub. After fermentation I used the SRS a couple times a day for 4 days or so. I just rely on the site glass and purge until that comes back clean.
I've been brewing for around 1.5 years but on my third batch of beer, I went directly to all grain. I buy the grain in bulk and mill it at home with a corona mill. I went right to kegging as well, versus bottling not long after I went to all grain.
My next goal is to have a dedicated area for brewing versus using my kitchen...hoping to build a pole barn this spring for that.
I have a few friends that wanted to get into all grain so I made a youtube video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndcZLR-x6xM&t=2340s
Very cool! Some day that's the goal, until now kits it is. 8^)


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2017, 02:18:04 PM
Has anyone else had an issue with using the S style airlock expelling all of its water quickly? My two beers both had some seriously active fermentation so I ended up using my old three pics bubbler and even that had trouble. Never ran into this until I started using the vessi. Not a big problem by any means just a an observation.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 11, 2017, 02:27:57 PM
Has anyone else had an issue with using the S style airlock expelling all of its water quickly? My two beers both had some seriously active fermentation so I ended up using my old three pics bubbler and even that had trouble. Never ran into this until I started using the vessi. Not a big problem by any means just a an observation.
yep.... same here.... I had to keep refilling the S type.... actually the first time I've ever used one of these. PITA and messy so likely will return to the 3 piece next brew.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 11, 2017, 02:52:36 PM
Has anyone else had an issue with using the S style airlock expelling all of its water quickly? My two beers both had some seriously active fermentation so I ended up using my old three pics bubbler and even that had trouble. Never ran into this until I started using the vessi. Not a big problem by any means just a an observation.
yep.... same here.... I had to keep refilling the S type.... actually the first time I've ever used one of these. PITA and messy so likely will return to the 3 piece next brew.
Yup, I always start with the 3 piece type then when it calms down I switch to the s style.

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 11, 2017, 02:53:35 PM
Has anyone else had an issue with using the S style airlock expelling all of its water quickly? My two beers both had some seriously active fermentation so I ended up using my old three pics bubbler and even that had trouble. Never ran into this until I started using the vessi. Not a big problem by any means just a an observation.


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I never used the S Type before, but figured I'd try it.  Went to the trusty 3 piece after about 1 min trying to get the sanitizer level right.  Had zero issues with that.  :)
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 11, 2017, 05:57:46 PM
Do you guys have water that ends up collecting in the bottom black tray when your're in pouring mode? It looks like clean clear water so I'm assuming its condensation from the refrigeration system.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 11, 2017, 06:21:03 PM
Do you guys have water that ends up collecting in the bottom black tray when your're in pouring mode? It looks like clean clear water so I'm assuming its condensation from the refrigeration system.

I haven't been in dispensing mode yet outside of drawing samples for gravity readings, but I haven't seen anything like that.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2017, 07:03:56 PM
Do you guys have water that ends up collecting in the bottom black tray when your're in pouring mode? It looks like clean clear water so I'm assuming its condensation from the refrigeration system.
Yes I've got the same condensation that collects.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 11, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
Do you guys have water that ends up collecting in the bottom black tray when your're in pouring mode? It looks like clean clear water so I'm assuming its condensation from the refrigeration system.
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Ok, glad to hear that!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 11, 2017, 11:16:55 PM
I haven't seen any condensation, but my temp is at 40 right now.  What are you serving at?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 12, 2017, 12:12:46 AM
I haven't seen any condensation, but my temp is at 40 right now.  What are you serving at?
I have mine cranked to 35 degrees. It still doesn't server at that temp though. They say that after the first few glasses the beer gets colder. The problem is that I'm the only beer drinker in my house so if I don't keep it cranked, its a bit warmer than I like. I just poured my first glass today and it measures 47 degrees with a good digital thermometer. I know I lose a few degrees to the glass though, so its probably coming out at 45. Thats not a bad temperature but colder would be better.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 12, 2017, 12:41:22 AM
I haven't seen any condensation, but my temp is at 40 right now.  What are you serving at?
I have mine cranked to 35 degrees. It still doesn't server at that temp though. They say that after the first few glasses the beer gets colder. The problem is that I'm the only beer drinker in my house so if I don't keep it cranked, its a bit warmer than I like. I just poured my first glass today and it measures 47 degrees with a good digital thermometer. I know I lose a few degrees to the glass though, so its probably coming out at 45. Thats not a bad temperature but colder would be better.
Wasn't it just the other day that you hit 35? I forget where the unit reads the temp from so maybe it just needs some time to ensure that all of the contents are at a uniform temperature. I haven't thought to check mine for what it actually is versus what the vessi says it is. I may do that tonight since mine has been at 40 for the last week. Also, I've noticed that the SRS sweat much more at 35 compared to 40. So with condensation collecting mileage may vary of course.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 12, 2017, 01:35:27 PM
I haven't seen any condensation, but my temp is at 40 right now.  What are you serving at?
I have mine cranked to 35 degrees. It still doesn't server at that temp though. They say that after the first few glasses the beer gets colder. The problem is that I'm the only beer drinker in my house so if I don't keep it cranked, its a bit warmer than I like. I just poured my first glass today and it measures 47 degrees with a good digital thermometer. I know I lose a few degrees to the glass though, so its probably coming out at 45. Thats not a bad temperature but colder would be better.
Wasn't it just the other day that you hit 35? I forget where the unit reads the temp from so maybe it just needs some time to ensure that all of the contents are at a uniform temperature. I haven't thought to check mine for what it actually is versus what the vessi says it is. I may do that tonight since mine has been at 40 for the last week. Also, I've noticed that the SRS sweat much more at 35 compared to 40. So with condensation collecting mileage may vary of course.


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Yup, Vessi has been good at reaching temp now..I bumped it back up to 39 degrees.
For my next test I'll pour out enough to fill a growler and then do a temp reading in the following glass. Hopefully that pour is near the temp of the set point and I suspect it will be.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on March 12, 2017, 03:21:06 PM
Finally got a Email about my Vessi delivery process. The SRS should come in two days from now! I have a question about the initial cleaning and sanitizing of the SRS. According to the manual it should it be fully taken apart, remove the grease off the o-ring, re greased and reassembled. Is this really necessary? Can you just do a sanitized soaking without taking it apart for the first initial brew?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: sdbrewer82 on March 12, 2017, 04:20:16 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: aaronweiser on March 12, 2017, 04:23:06 PM
Finally got a Email about my Vessi delivery process. The SRS should come in two days from now! I have a question about the initial cleaning and sanitizing of the SRS. According to the manual it should it be fully taken apart, remove the grease off the o-ring, re greased and reassembled. Is this really necessary? Can you just do a sanitized soaking without taking it apart for the first initial brew?
I have brewed two batches now on Vessi and would recommend taking apart the valve and cleaning it well each time. I initially thought I wouldn't need to, but I found yeast in many nooks and crannies during cleanup. Once you get a rhythm I think you'll find it's not that bad. I take every O-Ring off, etc and soak, scrub and sanitize.

Aaron


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: sdbrewer82 on March 12, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 12, 2017, 05:45:45 PM
Finally got a Email about my Vessi delivery process. The SRS should come in two days from now! I have a question about the initial cleaning and sanitizing of the SRS. According to the manual it should it be fully taken apart, remove the grease off the o-ring, re greased and reassembled. Is this really necessary? Can you just do a sanitized soaking without taking it apart for the first initial brew?
I don't remember where I read it but I thought I read that it only needed to be sanitized for the first use. However I fully disassembled and cleaned mine prior to its first use. Primary for two reasons one I wanted to see how involved it is and to get familiar with it and secondly I wanted to be sure its clean.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 12, 2017, 05:53:02 PM
Finally got a Email about my Vessi delivery process. The SRS should come in two days from now! I have a question about the initial cleaning and sanitizing of the SRS. According to the manual it should it be fully taken apart, remove the grease off the o-ring, re greased and reassembled. Is this really necessary? Can you just do a sanitized soaking without taking it apart for the first initial brew?

I disassembled mine completely and sanitized, however I didn't attempt to remove the grease. It is very viscous and tenacious and likely would require a solvent as hot, soapy water didn't do a very good job getting it off. I just sanitized everything, added a bit of grease and put it all back together. It wasn't a big effort in that regard. But I don't really see why just tossing the whole thing in a bucket of sanitizer and opening and closing it several times wouldn't be enough, at least for the first use.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 12, 2017, 05:59:54 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.
My airlock seems to be the same way. Try depressurizing the unit, fully unscrewing the airlock, and putting it back in. Then re-pressurize it like the instructions say. I had set my pressure for about 10 and when I was loosening the airlock I listened very closely for the air to escape.   


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 12, 2017, 06:06:25 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

If you left the tank valve open for 20 hours, and now it is just half full, you must have a leak somewhere. So until you resolve that you're going to run out of CO2 before long. My guess is it's likely fermenting but the gas produced by the fermentation is escaping the same way your tank gas is and thus the reason you're not seeing anything bubble through the airlock. Did you pressurize the system before tossing your wort in to see if the system held pressure? The obvious place for a leak (cause it happened to me) is you don't have a good seal on the tri-clamp, gasket & lid. In my case I was able to faintly hear the gas hissing from there. All it took was re-fitting everything and re-tightening tri-clamp. Pop the lid, look inside for signs of fermentation, redo lid, pressurize and see if it holds pressure.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 12, 2017, 06:12:09 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.

That black plastic adapter that you plug the airlock into has nearly the same inside diameter as the outside diameter of the ring that you pull to remove pressure. There's not a lot of wiggle room. When your vessel is pressurized to just barely below the setpoint of that regulator it's in a very fine balance point and the slightest movement, like you tweaking it back and forth, will cause it to release pressure. It wouldn't matter what type of airlock you were using.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 12, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.
Same with my relief valve, if you release the pressure in the tank, or just wiggle it, you will get beer smell and bubbles out of it.
I'm not in love with its design. As we see, its just a thick O ring on a stem so any movement, or if its not really seated can cause leaks. I better design would have been a flat washer and seat, in my opinion.
If you have your 3 way dial in the off position, then no Co2 from the co2 tank will come out the relief valve, just the pressure in the tank will go to zero if the relief valve is leaking. To fix that, I just push down and twist gently on the relief valve to re-seat the o-ring, then test with a spray of star san.
With all that said, I'd say your relief valve isn't why you are losing co2. If it was, you would see bubbles from your air lock. I'd spray the edges of the top cover where you pour your wort in, and the clamp holding the SRS, with star san and if those are good, then spray the fitting in back where you connected the co2 tank, the plastic fillings and the tank fittings. Stan san works great because it bubbles like soap but if you don't have any, dish soap works too.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on March 12, 2017, 07:07:30 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.

That black plastic adapter that you plug the airlock into has nearly the same inside diameter as the outside diameter of the ring that you pull to remove pressure. There's not a lot of wiggle room. When your vessel is pressurized to just barely below the setpoint of that regulator it's in a very fine balance point and the slightest movement, like you tweaking it back and forth, will cause it to release pressure. It wouldn't matter what type of airlock you were using.

I'm going to try this method to check for CO2 leaks. Before adding the wort seal up the Vessi lid, SRS, air lock etc... and pressurize Vessi with the external CO2 tank. Check for leaks by using a spray bottle of Starsan on all connections. Any bubbles will indicate where the leak is. If no leaks are present, depressurize, open lid, pour in wort. Now the only spot to recheck for leaks if occurs will be the lid. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on March 12, 2017, 07:14:23 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.
Same with my relief valve, if you release the pressure in the tank, or just wiggle it, you will get beer smell and bubbles out of it.
I'm not in love with its design. As we see, its just a thick O ring on a stem so any movement, or if its not really seated can cause leaks. I better design would have been a flat washer and seat, in my opinion.
If you have your 3 way dial in the off position, then no Co2 from the co2 tank will come out the relief valve, just the pressure in the tank will go to zero if the relief valve is leaking. To fix that, I just push down and twist gently on the relief valve to re-seat the o-ring, then test with a spray of star san.
With all that said, I'd say your relief valve isn't why you are losing co2. If it was, you would see bubbles from your air lock. I'd spray the edges of the top cover where you pour your wort in, and the clamp holding the SRS, with star san and if those are good, then spray the fitting in back where you connected the co2 tank, the plastic fillings and the tank fittings. Stan san works great because it bubbles like soap but if you don't have any, dish soap works too.

Would you think by putting a layer of Keg Lube or some other food grade lubicant on the relief valve O- Ring help with keeping it air tight?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 12, 2017, 07:15:16 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.

That black plastic adapter that you plug the airlock into has nearly the same inside diameter as the outside diameter of the ring that you pull to remove pressure. There's not a lot of wiggle room. When your vessel is pressurized to just barely below the setpoint of that regulator it's in a very fine balance point and the slightest movement, like you tweaking it back and forth, will cause it to release pressure. It wouldn't matter what type of airlock you were using.

I'm going to try this method to check for CO2 leaks. Before adding the wort seal up the Vessi lid, SRS, air lock etc... and pressurize Vessi with the external CO2 tank. Check for leaks by using a spray bottle of Starsan on all connections. Any bubbles will indicate where the leak is. If no leaks are present, depressurize, open lid, pour in wort. Now the only spot to recheck for leaks if occurs will be the lid. Any thoughts?
That's a good plan. The only other place you may have leaks after that is the relief valve since you will be adjusting it a fair amount during the initial fermentation period. I tried to keep my tank at 10 psi for the first week, and that was without the co2 tank even connected at all.
The issue I had was when fermentation was real low and almost done, I'd close the relief valve all the way but still get bubbles from the airlock. That's how I knew the relief valve was leaking, and the twist and turn part on the pull up stem was enough to re-seat and fix that leak.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 12, 2017, 07:16:47 PM
Hi Everyone. I just received my Vessi last week and got started with a Pliny clone kit from Northern Brewer. This is my 5th brew. In the past I've had a very basic setup. No wort cooler. Nothing fancy. Just a pot, some carboys, auto siphon, 22oz bottles, and 3 piece airlock. I have never kegged so C02 is a bit tricky for me.

So with this first batch I'm trying to ferment under pressure, but I am not sure I am doing everything correctly. I set the knob to pressurize vessel. I set the pressure to around 5 psi and then turned the 3 way knob to off. After I set the pressure relief value to just where some pressure was leaking. I then placed the airlock in place, but don't see any activity. I let it sit overnight and see that the pressure dropped to 0. I'm having a real hard time seeing if there is any fermentation activity since I don't see any bubbles in the airlock. So far its been about 20 hours.

Also in regards to the C02 tank...do I leave the tank turned on with valves open? I left it on, but it seems like the tank is now about half full. Will c02 leak if I leave the valves open? Sorry for my naivety. This is a totally new process for me.

Thanks,
Justin

Actually I was just fiddling with the pressure relief valve and airlock. Perhaps it just doesn't have a good seal? Anyone else have issues with their airlock system? If I push it to one side I can get some bubbles to come out and can smell the beer a little bit. Honestly, not a huge fan of the s style airlock...I might switch to the old school 3 piece airlock.
Same with my relief valve, if you release the pressure in the tank, or just wiggle it, you will get beer smell and bubbles out of it.
I'm not in love with its design. As we see, its just a thick O ring on a stem so any movement, or if its not really seated can cause leaks. I better design would have been a flat washer and seat, in my opinion.
If you have your 3 way dial in the off position, then no Co2 from the co2 tank will come out the relief valve, just the pressure in the tank will go to zero if the relief valve is leaking. To fix that, I just push down and twist gently on the relief valve to re-seat the o-ring, then test with a spray of star san.
With all that said, I'd say your relief valve isn't why you are losing co2. If it was, you would see bubbles from your air lock. I'd spray the edges of the top cover where you pour your wort in, and the clamp holding the SRS, with star san and if those are good, then spray the fitting in back where you connected the co2 tank, the plastic fillings and the tank fittings. Stan san works great because it bubbles like soap but if you don't have any, dish soap works too.

Would you think by putting a layer of Keg Lube or some other food grade lubicant on the relief valve O- Ring help with keeping it air tight?
Yup, thats a good idea. I have some fancy lube for my kegs o-rings and will try that.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: hophawk on March 13, 2017, 12:59:43 AM
Question for folks who have done more than one brew so far. I just finished my first and cleaned Vessi today in preparation for my second (aiming for Friday). However, it appears there is some beer/liquid stuck in the air pocket on the backside of the inner plastic ring of the SRS. Can't seem to get the liquid out no matter what I try.

Has anyone else had this issue?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 13, 2017, 01:11:38 AM
Question for folks who have done more than one brew so far. I just finished my first and cleaned Vessi today in preparation for my second (aiming for Friday). However, it appears there is some beer/liquid stuck in the air pocket on the backside of the inner plastic ring of the SRS. Can't seem to get the liquid out no matter what I try.

Has anyone else had this issue?
Have a picture? I'm having trouble picturing the location your talking about. I recall after disassembling and cleaning it after the first brew some staining of sort to the clear plastic of the SRS.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 13, 2017, 01:15:27 AM
Question for folks who have done more than one brew so far. I just finished my first and cleaned Vessi today in preparation for my second (aiming for Friday). However, it appears there is some beer/liquid stuck in the air pocket on the backside of the inner plastic ring of the SRS. Can't seem to get the liquid out no matter what I try.

Has anyone else had this issue?
Have a picture? I'm having trouble picturing the location your talking about. I recall after disassembling and cleaning it after the first brew some staining of sort to the clear plastic of the SRS.


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Dumb question perhaps...... you have taken the SRS apart, eh? I'm having a tough time picturing it also.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: hophawk on March 13, 2017, 01:22:11 AM
Question for folks who have done more than one brew so far. I just finished my first and cleaned Vessi today in preparation for my second (aiming for Friday). However, it appears there is some beer/liquid stuck in the air pocket on the backside of the inner plastic ring of the SRS. Can't seem to get the liquid out no matter what I try.

Has anyone else had this issue?
Have a picture? I'm having trouble picturing the location your talking about. I recall after disassembling and cleaning it after the first brew some staining of sort to the clear plastic of the SRS.


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Dumb question perhaps...... you have taken the SRS apart, eh? I'm having a tough time picturing it also.

Yes, have taken apart and put together SRS twice now.

Tried to add images and they show as broken. Try this: http://imgur.com/a/2BJpE
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 13, 2017, 02:25:11 AM
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: hophawk on March 13, 2017, 02:27:45 AM
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.

Do you guys have the similar air pocket on the back?

(I sent a note to the vessi/whirlpool folks as well)
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 13, 2017, 05:46:01 AM
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.

Do you guys have the similar air pocket on the back?

(I sent a note to the vessi/whirlpool folks as well)
My first beer had the same thing! Did the best I could to clean it without digging into it because I'm pretty sure that would be a big no no. My current beer has turned out perfect. I don't think it's anything to worry much over.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: vwelter on March 13, 2017, 03:47:56 PM
Greetings all. New here and anticipating delivery of my SRS amd Vessi this week. After reading through the comments in this thread I am wondering if it might be more efficient to set up a Vessi Users Facebook page? Having to read through someone's old post as a "quote" wvery time you reply to someone can get a little tedious. I am in the process of setting up the page now. (Vessi Users Group is what I called it. Search for @VessiUsers to find it. I will go post in the Indiegogo forum as well.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 13, 2017, 04:09:36 PM
Greetings all. New here and anticipating delivery of my SRS amd Vessi this week. After reading through the comments in this thread I am wondering if it might be more efficient to set up a Vessi Users Facebook page? Having to read through someone's old post as a "quote" wvery time you reply to someone can get a little tedious. I am in the process of setting up the page now. (Vessi Users Group is what I called it. Search for @VessiUsers to find it. I will go post in the Indiegogo forum as well.


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Agree, Facebook page would be better.  I've seen them used on similar projects and they work great.  It's nice keeping topics together.

Can you set it up so people can post topics on the main page?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 13, 2017, 05:12:10 PM
Greetings all. New here and anticipating delivery of my SRS amd Vessi this week. After reading through the comments in this thread I am wondering if it might be more efficient to set up a Vessi Users Facebook page? Having to read through someone's old post as a "quote" wvery time you reply to someone can get a little tedious. I am in the process of setting up the page now. (Vessi Users Group is what I called it. Search for @VessiUsers to find it. I will go post in the Indiegogo forum as well.


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Agree, Facebook page would be better.  I've seen them used on similar projects and they work great.  It's nice keeping topics together.

Can you set it up so people can post topics on the main page?
I'm good with facebook as well and once setup, will bail on this site.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: hophawk on March 14, 2017, 06:39:49 AM
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.

Do you guys have the similar air pocket on the back?

(I sent a note to the vessi/whirlpool folks as well)
My first beer had the same thing! Did the best I could to clean it without digging into it because I'm pretty sure that would be a big no no. My current beer has turned out perfect. I don't think it's anything to worry much over.


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Had a good email with the Vessi folks today and they are helping resolve the issue. They wanted me to mention on this thread that they have limited ability to interact with us on public forums. Any quality issues should be sent directly to them via email or their service department at 1-866-220-8493.

So far they have been super responsive to my inquiries.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 14, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.

Do you guys have the similar air pocket on the back?

(I sent a note to the vessi/whirlpool folks as well)
My first beer had the same thing! Did the best I could to clean it without digging into it because I'm pretty sure that would be a big no no. My current beer has turned out perfect. I don't think it's anything to worry much over.


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Had a good email with the Vessi folks today and they are helping resolve the issue. They wanted me to mention on this thread that they have limited ability to interact with us on public forums. Any quality issues should be sent directly to them via email or their service department at 1-866-220-8493.

So far they have been super responsive to my inquiries.
Are they saying what your experiencing is an issue?


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: hophawk on March 15, 2017, 03:42:03 PM
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.

Do you guys have the similar air pocket on the back?

(I sent a note to the vessi/whirlpool folks as well)
My first beer had the same thing! Did the best I could to clean it without digging into it because I'm pretty sure that would be a big no no. My current beer has turned out perfect. I don't think it's anything to worry much over.


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Had a good email with the Vessi folks today and they are helping resolve the issue. They wanted me to mention on this thread that they have limited ability to interact with us on public forums. Any quality issues should be sent directly to them via email or their service department at 1-866-220-8493.

So far they have been super responsive to my inquiries.
Are they saying what your experiencing is an issue?


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I think so. Don't think liquid is supposed to get inside. If you have same issue, I would send them a note.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 15, 2017, 09:16:36 PM
Setup a new facebook group here were we can post different topics:

https://facebook.com/groups/1405090162897596
Title: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2017, 12:19:45 AM
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.

Do you guys have the similar air pocket on the back?

(I sent a note to the vessi/whirlpool folks as well)
My first beer had the same thing! Did the best I could to clean it without digging into it because I'm pretty sure that would be a big no no. My current beer has turned out perfect. I don't think it's anything to worry much over.


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Had a good email with the Vessi folks today and they are helping resolve the issue. They wanted me to mention on this thread that they have limited ability to interact with us on public forums. Any quality issues should be sent directly to them via email or their service department at 1-866-220-8493.

So far they have been super responsive to my inquiries.
Are they saying what your experiencing is an issue?


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I think so. Don't think liquid is supposed to get inside. If you have same issue, I would send them a note.
So I went back and looked at your photos of it again and my situation is not the same as yours. I only have some beer staining the color of whatever is used to seal up that spot but nothing had actually leaked into there. Here's your image but I marked the area I'm talking about. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/7152a870dbcc7adb629971baa313d906.jpg)


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: sexyg on March 17, 2017, 07:28:58 PM
Hey Vessi owners!

Please join our own forum where we can share and exchange ideas related to brewing with Vessi!

Most awesome.
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have a clue why there'd be beer in there.

Do you guys have the similar air pocket on the back?

(I sent a note to the vessi/whirlpool folks as well)
My first beer had the same thing! Did the best I could to clean it without digging into it because I'm pretty sure that would be a big no no. My current beer has turned out perfect. I don't think it's anything to worry much over.


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Most awesome. Looking forward to connecting with the Vessi brewers.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 17, 2017, 07:47:57 PM
Well, on my second batch now. Yet another ipa, lol. It's all I seem to like anymore.
Couple questions for the group:
When you transfer your chilled wort to Vessi, do you strain the trub then or just pour it all in?
Do you pitch your yeast once the wort is in Vessi, or in your brew kettle once its chilled?

I chill the wort and transfer to Vessi, and filter some of the trub as I do that with a nice stainless steel cylindrical filter, and then pitch my yeast starter. The only thing I don't like about that is how fast the strainer fills up with trub (which is mostly hops I think) and then how long it takes to drain. So I'll probably stop doing that and just purge the trub with the SRS.

When do you wait until starting your SRS purging process?

I wait at least a week just so I don't dump out the yeast but I do wonder if leaving the trub in longer is bad or good. I think the documentation says to wait until the fermentation stops, then start purging but I wonder if you wait to long if that can cause off flavors in the beer. Kinda like letting a tea bag seep to long syndrome.

Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 17, 2017, 08:59:05 PM
Well, on my second batch now. Yet another ipa, lol. It's all I seem to like anymore.
Couple questions for the group:
When you transfer your chilled wort to Vessi, do you strain the trub then or just pour it all in?
Do you pitch your yeast once the wort is in Vessi, or in your brew kettle once its chilled?

I chill the wort and transfer to Vessi, and filter some of the trub as I do that with a nice stainless steel cylindrical filter, and then pitch my yeast starter. The only thing I don't like about that is how fast the strainer fills up with trub (which is mostly hops I think) and then how long it takes to drain. So I'll probably stop doing that and just purge the trub with the SRS.

When do you wait until starting your SRS purging process?

I wait at least a week just so I don't dump out the yeast but I do wonder if leaving the trub in longer is bad or good. I think the documentation says to wait until the fermentation stops, then start purging but I wonder if you wait to long if that can cause off flavors in the beer. Kinda like letting a tea bag seep to long syndrome.
I chill with a wort chiller, strain the same way as you, aerate the wort with a vigorous stir, and then pitch the yeast. When it comes to the SRS I only start that process once my gravity has settled and I've crashed it. I'll start checking my gravity shortly after the bubbler stops bubbling.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 19, 2017, 05:36:57 PM
FYI.... I plugged into a metered outlet for my first brew and figured out what it cost, at $0.08/kwh, to go through fermentation for 10 days, cold crashing to 35 deg. for 48 hrs., and keeping chilled at 40 deg so far for another week. Ambient temp has probably averaged 64 deg. I'm up to a grand total of $0.48... I can live with that!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 20, 2017, 06:12:15 AM
FYI.... I plugged into a metered outlet for my first brew and figured out what it cost, at $0.08/kwh, to go through fermentation for 10 days, cold crashing to 35 deg. for 48 hrs., and keeping chilled at 40 deg so far for another week. Ambient temp has probably averaged 64 deg. I'm up to a grand total of $0.48... I can live with that!
Fun fact! I think my Vessi is nearly empty with the current beer and I've noticed that the compressor is kicking in much more frequently. Just in interesting observation. I suppose it would have to do with liquids holding temp better then the increased airspace that is now present so it has to chill more often... or something like that maybe.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 21, 2017, 09:21:00 PM
Is anyone else disappointed in the dispensing temps? I'm set at 40 deg. and after a couple draws in quick succession, the coldest beer I can get is 45 deg. I'm hoping I can get an ice cold brew out once the heat of summer sets in. I'm thinking an insulating jacket around the vessel is going to be a 'must have'.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 21, 2017, 11:39:08 PM
Is anyone else disappointed in the dispensing temps? I'm set at 40 deg. and after a couple draws in quick succession, the coldest beer I can get is 45 deg. I'm hoping I can get an ice cold brew out once the heat of summer sets in. I'm thinking an insulating jacket around the vessel is going to be a 'must have'.
Yup, I thought the same about my first batch as well. I think the coldest in the cup has only been a tab under 50.
I'm probably going to do the same as you and find an insulating blanket for tank.

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: NtegrA on March 22, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
Hi Guys and Gals,

In the middle of my second batch. My first was an Irish Red for guess what??? That's right St. Patties! (finished drinking the stuff way before the day tho...) Even 3D printed myself a Irish themed tap handle for the occasion! Like others I noticed even though I was set at 35 degrees, I could not get a pour under 50 degrees.

I decided to go with an IPA this time around requiring some dry hopping during secondary fermentation. Couple of questions..

1. Are we supposed to shut off the relief valve at some point? (I left it open 1st batch until I drank every last drop)

2. If I open to add hops for secondary, do I do the same steps with the relief valve as first fermentation (close, pressurize, open valve just enough) or close it completely or leave it be?

3. I also wasted a LOT of beer through purging the SRS (or maybe the bartender [ME] was just running the tap more often than I thought). The site glass for me seems to always look the same color (murky brown). What exactly does "clear" look like?

4. anyone used the bottler? Didn't turn out too well for me. Uncapping after a few days didn't give the telltale sound effect and puff of smoke of a nicely carbonated beer and no head when poured. Maybe there's a science to it? Very unimpressive result for me (is that a wet noodle in your pocket? grin) I mean how do you keep the 1-2 inches of CO2 in the bottle long enough to cap the thing once removed from the bottler?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: NtegrA on March 22, 2017, 11:46:37 PM
Setup a new facebook group here were we can post different topics:

https://facebook.com/groups/1405090162897596
Any way you can turn off the need to "log in" to Facebook? Some of us don't do "Social Media". GRIN
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 23, 2017, 02:07:07 AM
Setup a new facebook group here were we can post different topics:

https://facebook.com/groups/1405090162897596
Any way you can turn off the need to "log in" to Facebook? Some of us don't do "Social Media". GRIN

Sorry, looks like you need a Facebook account to view the posts. It's a public group so anyone with Facebook can see the stuff, but unfortunately you need to at least have an account.

That part sucks, but the nice thing is there are multiple threads going on different topics.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on March 23, 2017, 02:14:36 AM
Hi Guys and Gals,

In the middle of my second batch. My first was an Irish Red for guess what??? That's right St. Patties! (finished drinking the stuff way before the day tho...) Even 3D printed myself a Irish themed tap handle for the occasion! Like others I noticed even though I was set at 35 degrees, I could not get a pour under 50 degrees.

I decided to go with an IPA this time around requiring some dry hopping during secondary fermentation. Couple of questions..

1. Are we supposed to shut off the relief valve at some point? (I left it open 1st batch until I drank every last drop)

2. If I open to add hops for secondary, do I do the same steps with the relief valve as first fermentation (close, pressurize, open valve just enough) or close it completely or leave it be?

3. I also wasted a LOT of beer through purging the SRS (or maybe the bartender [ME] was just running the tap more often than I thought). The site glass for me seems to always look the same color (murky brown). What exactly does "clear" look like?

4. anyone used the bottler? Didn't turn out too well for me. Uncapping after a few days didn't give the telltale sound effect and puff of smoke of a nicely carbonated beer and no head when poured. Maybe there's a science to it? Very unimpressive result for me (is that a wet noodle in your pocket? grin) I mean how do you keep the 1-2 inches of CO2 in the bottle long enough to cap the thing once removed from the bottler?

I guess I left my relief valve partially open the whole time.  Not sure if it matters or not.

On the bottler, I haven't opened any yet that I bottled as a kegged most of it.  CO2 is heavier than air though,  so it won't "float away". I'll let you know when I open one if it is flat.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 23, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Hi Guys and Gals,

In the middle of my second batch. My first was an Irish Red for guess what??? That's right St. Patties! (finished drinking the stuff way before the day tho...) Even 3D printed myself a Irish themed tap handle for the occasion! Like others I noticed even though I was set at 35 degrees, I could not get a pour under 50 degrees.

I decided to go with an IPA this time around requiring some dry hopping during secondary fermentation. Couple of questions..

1. Are we supposed to shut off the relief valve at some point? (I left it open 1st batch until I drank every last drop)

2. If I open to add hops for secondary, do I do the same steps with the relief valve as first fermentation (close, pressurize, open valve just enough) or close it completely or leave it be?

3. I also wasted a LOT of beer through purging the SRS (or maybe the bartender [ME] was just running the tap more often than I thought). The site glass for me seems to always look the same color (murky brown). What exactly does "clear" look like?

4. anyone used the bottler? Didn't turn out too well for me. Uncapping after a few days didn't give the telltale sound effect and puff of smoke of a nicely carbonated beer and no head when poured. Maybe there's a science to it? Very unimpressive result for me (is that a wet noodle in your pocket? grin) I mean how do you keep the 1-2 inches of CO2 in the bottle long enough to cap the thing once removed from the bottler?
Aren't 3D printers great!
With the relief valve, once the vessel tank pressure is lower than the set point of the valve, for all practically purposes the valve is seated and closed, and not letting pressure out anymore. With that said, as soon as the fermentation process is almost done, I close my valve all the way just because..
For dry hopping I released all the vessel pressure, took the lid off and dropped them in. Then I pumped the vessel back to 10 psi but then purged with the relief valve to push the oxygen out of the tank, just like I do with my kegging system, and then make sure you pump back up to 10 psi after that.
I thought the same with the SRS system, seems to purge a lot of beer...but my beer came out super clear. You can see a pic of a glass I posted a while ago. Looking at the beer threw the site glass is a bit tough to read, but you will see the beer clear up threw it, but mostly I just look to make sure no more trub is in there.
I didn't get the bottler so no input on that.
As a test, I'm going to measure the liquid lost when using the SRS just to see the overall loss. I know when I go from my primary carboys to a secondary, I lost a fair amount there but it did seem like my first batch of beer wasn't near 5 gallons when it was pouring time. The tank is big, I should probably up my recipes to bigger batches, like 6.5 gallons or something.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 28, 2017, 07:56:24 PM
First batch was hard cider that turned out really nice! Just starting an IPA and posted this question on the indiegogo site but got no answer yet. I was going to pump cooled wort directly from Grainfather into Vessi via the beverage (kegging) port and wondering if there is any reason I shouldn't. I'm still going to have to flip the lid to pitch but figured less exposure is better.... any thoughts?
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 28, 2017, 08:42:16 PM
First batch was hard cider that turned out really nice! Just starting an IPA and posted this question on the indiegogo site but got no answer yet. I was going to pump cooled wort directly from Grainfather into Vessi via the beverage (kegging) port and wondering if there is any reason I shouldn't. I'm still going to have to flip the lid to pitch but figured less exposure is better.... any thoughts?
I guess that would work. The thing is, how do you clean it after you pitch? I wouldn't like to run star san down it once the wort is in the vessel already.
Whats your recipe for the hard cider? The one I made is from Brad Smiths website. Its such a good one for sure.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 28, 2017, 09:02:11 PM
First batch was hard cider that turned out really nice! Just starting an IPA and posted this question on the indiegogo site but got no answer yet. I was going to pump cooled wort directly from Grainfather into Vessi via the beverage (kegging) port and wondering if there is any reason I shouldn't. I'm still going to have to flip the lid to pitch but figured less exposure is better.... any thoughts?
I guess that would work. The thing is, how do you clean it after you pitch? I wouldn't like to run star san down it once the wort is in the vessel already.
Whats your recipe for the hard cider? The one I made is from Brad Smiths website. Its such a good one for sure.

Why would I need to sanitize after using it? I did that prior so my thinking is it's unnecessary as it will be sealed until I go to use it for kegging. Maybe I'm missing something here.

My cider was simply 5.5 gal. apple juice (can't tell ya what kind of apples) I got from neighbors tree and had it in the freezer. I jacked it up with 1.5 lb. dextrose and that was it. I wrote down the yeast I used..... nothing fancy, just a generic dry pack..... but at the moment I don't recall what it was. After fermentation I needed to back sweeten it a bit.... I like dry, but not that dry. I tossed in 2 cans of frozen concentrate. OG was 1.062 and FG 1.000
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 28, 2017, 09:35:20 PM

Whats your recipe for the hard cider? The one I made is from Brad Smiths website. Its such a good one for sure.
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I did heat the juice to 160 deg and did not use any campden tabs. Also used some sparkolloid to clear it after cold crashing didn't.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 28, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
First batch was hard cider that turned out really nice! Just starting an IPA and posted this question on the indiegogo site but got no answer yet. I was going to pump cooled wort directly from Grainfather into Vessi via the beverage (kegging) port and wondering if there is any reason I shouldn't. I'm still going to have to flip the lid to pitch but figured less exposure is better.... any thoughts?
I guess that would work. The thing is, how do you clean it after you pitch? I wouldn't like to run star san down it once the wort is in the vessel already.
Whats your recipe for the hard cider? The one I made is from Brad Smiths website. Its such a good one for sure.

Why would I need to sanitize after using it? I did that prior so my thinking is it's unnecessary as it will be sealed until I go to use it for kegging. Maybe I'm missing something here.

My cider was simply 5.5 gal. apple juice (can't tell ya what kind of apples) I got from neighbors tree and had it in the freezer. I jacked it up with 1.5 lb. dextrose and that was it. I wrote down the yeast I used..... nothing fancy, just a generic dry pack..... but at the moment I don't recall what it was. After fermentation I needed to back sweeten it a bit.... I like dry, but not that dry. I tossed in 2 cans of frozen concentrate. OG was 1.062 and FG 1.000

I just think that wort sitting in a tube for a month wouldn't be good but yea, I hear ya. I haven't used any of the ports on mine yet. I don't do gravity tests either, I just want a few weeks and figure its done fermenting. I do take the OG and FG though, just nothing in between.
I do love Brad's recipe for sure. This time I used us-05 instead of the liquid yeast he recommended so hopefully it comes out as good as the first batch that I followed to a tee. I'll bail on the cinnamon sticks though...they never even dissolved all the way. I'll use a powder.
Title: Re: Vessi V2?
Post by: blenderbender on March 29, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
Seems like Northern Brewer is selling V2? Totally new SRS, and check the new price! Yipes!!!
(https://www.northernbrewer.com/vessi-fermentor-and-dispenser)
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 29, 2017, 01:06:52 PM
apparently I don't know how to insert image...... check out NB's site
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 29, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
Hard to say what is what. Looking at the main photos the srs looks the same but scrolling down I do see the other big black thing which is hard to see in thier pictures.
2500 bucks...glad I got in early and paid 1500 for mine.

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 29, 2017, 01:35:16 PM
"2500 bucks...glad I got in early and paid 1500 for mine."

DITTO! I think they'll be hard pressed to sell many at that price point.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on March 29, 2017, 02:36:59 PM
I think it's the same units they are selling @ Northern Brewer. I seem to remember seeing those same pics towards the bottom when they first started advertising the Vessi on Indiegogo. I believe it was their first design before they went into production to the current models that currently went out.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on March 29, 2017, 04:06:00 PM
You'd think they'd put up current pics if that's the case. For $2,500 I'd wanna see EXACTLY what I was getting.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2017, 01:02:40 AM
Those images describing the unit are indeed the images that were first used for the indiegogo. Definitely not V2.0, more like V0.0 And I am very happy with my super early bird backer price. I can't see too many being sold at that current MSRP.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on March 30, 2017, 01:07:53 AM
Those images describing the unit are indeed the images that were first used for the indiegogo. Definitely not V2.0, more like V0.0 And I am very happy with my super early bird backer price. I can't see too many being sold at that current MSRP.


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IDK, with the crazy prices of lesser products, I could see this device selling for 2500. I do think there are issues with vessi still, but next versions will be better. But ya, I'm glad to have bought in for what we did.

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on April 04, 2017, 05:19:15 PM
Well, my Vessi is going back for exchange. When its full of beer, it just won't make it to 35 degrees. The best its done is 41 degrees and now its actually at 45 with the set point at 35....
But...the great news is how good the Vessi folks are to work with. They are doing the exchange with no hassle at all.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on April 04, 2017, 05:40:10 PM
Well, my Vessi is going back for exchange. When its full of beer, it just won't make it to 35 degrees. The best its done is 41 degrees and now its actually at 45 with the set point at 35....
But...the great news is how good the Vessi folks are to work with. They are doing the exchange with no hassle at all.
That sucks... but good to know they're working with you. Hope you're back to brewin soon!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on April 04, 2017, 05:47:33 PM
Well, vessi has a full belly right now that I'll transfer to
my kegerator for now so I'm in good shape for a while. I have an Irish red and hard cider on tap, besides the iPa in vessi so I have enough juice to last a while :)

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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: Patrick on April 05, 2017, 02:44:47 AM
Well, vessi has a full belly right now that I'll transfer to
my kegerator for now so I'm in good shape for a while. I have an Irish red and hard cider on tap, besides the iPa in vessi so I have enough juice to last a while :)

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Now I want to start monitoring what it pours at. Once I get to that stage I'll be sure to post my findings. My first unit wouldn't chill at all.


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Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on April 05, 2017, 11:46:55 AM
I see that the Vessi folks produced more How to videos on youtube. Some good tips for sure. I just racked the beer from Vessi to my keg but I did it differently than how they posted. I have a 1/2 rubber line that I bought for my hop back device and it happens to fit right over the beer tap on vessi. I just connected to that, and ran the line to the bottom of the keg and filled it up. I know this isn't the best method since some oxygen does get to the beer but I honestly don't think it will matter. It's not much different then when using carboys and racking to secondary carboys.
The SRS tip is a good one...just use the white plastic tank to hold it when connecting it to vessi...great idea.
I guess I should keep my eye on the original forum too..I imagine they mentioned the new videos there.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: blenderbender on April 05, 2017, 12:25:59 PM
Thanks for the headsup on new vids, though there was no mention that I saw on the  Indiegogo site, if that's what you're referring to as the original forum. I wish they'd get an official forum together so that all this input could be consolidated in one place. PITA jumping from Indiegogo, FB, and here.

I'm still disappointed in pouring temps even though my unit does reach 35 deg. according to gauge. If there's 35 deg. beer in there it certainly isn't finding it's way to the tap even after several consecutive pours. Personally I don't think sticking your glasses in the freezer should be the official answer. I'd be happy with 40 deg, but that ain't happening either. WHERE  IS THAT COLD BEER?  ???
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on April 05, 2017, 12:41:44 PM
Thanks for the headsup on new vids, though there was no mention that I saw on the  Indiegogo site, if that's what you're referring to as the original forum. I wish they'd get an official forum together so that all this input could be consolidated in one place. PITA jumping from Indiegogo, FB, and here.

I'm still disappointed in pouring temps even though my unit does reach 35 deg. according to gauge. If there's 35 deg. beer in there it certainly isn't finding it's way to the tap even after several consecutive pours. Personally I don't think sticking your glasses in the freezer should be the official answer. I'd be happy with 40 deg, but that ain't happening either. WHERE  IS THAT COLD BEER?  ???

I hear ya on that about the cold beer. Once I get my replacement vessi, I'm going to insulate the tank to see if that helps. It would be tempting to open the lid and put a thermometer right in the tank to test that temp. My digital gauge has a long reach and I very well may do that on my next batch...gotta know! lol
I looked at the facebook page but then bailed on using it. This site is good enough for me.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: √ brewing on April 05, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
That's disappointing news about your vessi not getting the temp. down to 35 degrees. I won't know if mine will do the same. I won't start dropping the temp. down until 6 days from now. just curious is your vessi keep indoor inside your house.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: valestij on April 05, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
Thanks for the headsup on new vids, though there was no mention that I saw on the  Indiegogo site, if that's what you're referring to as the original forum. I wish they'd get an official forum together so that all this input could be consolidated in one place. PITA jumping from Indiegogo, FB, and here.

I'm still disappointed in pouring temps even though my unit does reach 35 deg. according to gauge. If there's 35 deg. beer in there it certainly isn't finding it's way to the tap even after several consecutive pours. Personally I don't think sticking your glasses in the freezer should be the official answer. I'd be happy with 40 deg, but that ain't happening either. WHERE  IS THAT COLD BEER?  ???

I hear ya on that about the cold beer. Once I get my replacement vessi, I'm going to insulate the tank to see if that helps. It would be tempting to open the lid and put a thermometer right in the tank to test that temp. My digital gauge has a long reach and I very well may do that on my next batch...gotta know! lol
I looked at the facebook page but then bailed on using it. This site is good enough for me.

Agree it's a PITA jumping between sites.  I'm actually gonna bail on this site since some VESSI employees actually are responding on the FB site.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on April 05, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
That's disappointing news about your vessi not getting the temp. down to 35 degrees. I won't know if mine will do the same. I won't start dropping the temp. down until 6 days from now. just curious is your vessi keep indoor inside your house.
Outside may have helped, lol. I live in Michigan. But no, its inside and my house temps are typically not higher than 71 degrees and average closer to 68.
Once you drop your temp to say, 35 degrees, in 24 hours or less you should be at 35.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on April 05, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
Thanks for the headsup on new vids, though there was no mention that I saw on the  Indiegogo site, if that's what you're referring to as the original forum. I wish they'd get an official forum together so that all this input could be consolidated in one place. PITA jumping from Indiegogo, FB, and here.

I'm still disappointed in pouring temps even though my unit does reach 35 deg. according to gauge. If there's 35 deg. beer in there it certainly isn't finding it's way to the tap even after several consecutive pours. Personally I don't think sticking your glasses in the freezer should be the official answer. I'd be happy with 40 deg, but that ain't happening either. WHERE  IS THAT COLD BEER?  ???

I hear ya on that about the cold beer. Once I get my replacement vessi, I'm going to insulate the tank to see if that helps. It would be tempting to open the lid and put a thermometer right in the tank to test that temp. My digital gauge has a long reach and I very well may do that on my next batch...gotta know! lol
I looked at the facebook page but then bailed on using it. This site is good enough for me.

Agree it's a PITA jumping between sites.  I'm actually gonna bail on this site since some VESSI employees actually are responding on the FB site.
I checked out FB and wow, folks are posting a lot, and with pics and more so I'll probably do the same. I saw the employees as well so yea, probably time to migrate over.
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: cjdock on April 12, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
Got my replacement Vessi the other day. Service was great, and the new one is working perfectly! I did a test by adding 6 gallons of water and then cranking it to 35. The next morning it was at 35!!
Good times for sure!
Title: Re: Vessi
Post by: bob on April 26, 2017, 01:58:43 PM
Hi all,
I'm an employee on the Vessi team and I will be checking this board for questions, likes and dislikes, suggestions.
We are also going to monitor the other avenues like Facebook and Indiegogo. So let us know how we are doing.  Share photos if you can.
Cheers!
Bob
Vessi Fermentor and Dispenser
WLabs